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Post by iameye on Aug 10, 2008 18:49:46 GMT -5
ok. well first of all that parking lot was technically empty at the time.........I don't get it.
yellow (scared) to white (dead)
when does it change to red?
ps
why do all these youtube links suddenly have these nasty advertising windows? why are we blindly giving into this? hey , just a link will do ya.......
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Aug 10, 2008 19:06:08 GMT -5
ok. well first of all that parking lot was technically empty at the time.........I don't get it. yellow (scared) to white (dead) when does it change to red? ps wy do all these youtube links suddenly have these nasty advertising windows? why are we blindly giving into this? hey , just a link will do ya....... "Technically empty" ?? Whattaya mean, Iameye? There are a bunch of cars in that lot. In King's book, Jack's Beetle was RED. So...it went from red to yellow to white. In addition, Halloran (Scatman Crothers) drives past a crushed red Beetle later in the film, on his way to (get an axe in his heart) "save" Danny. ;D
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Post by iameye on Aug 10, 2008 19:07:40 GMT -5
ok. well first of all that parking lot was technically empty at the time.........I don't get it. yellow (scared) to white (dead) when does it change to red? ps wy do all these youtube links suddenly have these nasty advertising windows? why are we blindly giving into this? hey , just a link will do ya....... "Technically empty" ?? Whattaya mean, Iameye? There are a bunch of cars in that lot. in the book, it all was a vacuum of isolation. No other cars in the lot.
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Aug 10, 2008 19:27:27 GMT -5
"Technically empty" ?? Whattaya mean, Iameye? There are a bunch of cars in that lot. in the book, it all was a vacuum of isolation. No other cars in the lot. I'm afraid you've lost me now, mister mann.
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Post by B on Aug 10, 2008 20:23:28 GMT -5
Iameye, in the movie the lot is full when Jack is interviewed for the job during the summer, while the hotel is still open, if I'm not mistaken. (It's been a while since I watched the movie.) He later arrives for the job on closing day, so after that they are all by themselves. P(D)enny La(i)ne you should point out the evolut ion of the Beetle colors to the blog poster. I'd like to see the scene with the "abundance of baggage" that wouldn't fit in a VW that he talks about. That has to be a metaphor for how we go through life or something. BTW, this is kind of fun, given the content of this thread: The Shining Movie Mistakeswww.youtube.com/watch?v=k0_DB3mqkbE
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Post by thisone on Aug 10, 2008 22:37:49 GMT -5
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Post by plastic paul on Aug 11, 2008 6:29:07 GMT -5
All this talk of red and yellow has reminded me of Faul's shoes that are blatantly pointed out in I think, the Blackbird video. Does anybody have a still? It seems to me that red and yellow seem to be colours that go together very often in relation to the Beatles.
Also does anybody remember the picture of that field and row of trees with a person standing in it? I'm sure there was a picture of a beetle in it, it might have been over at TKIN, I can't remember how it was related now, I'm sure 4K and Joe would remember it their memories were jogged!
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Post by iameye on Aug 11, 2008 6:47:19 GMT -5
"Red and yellow kills a fellow Red and black is safe for Jack."
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Post by iameye on Aug 11, 2008 9:30:20 GMT -5
I'm afraid you've lost me now, mister mann.that's Ms mann, to you. red: Passion, strength, energy, fire, love, sex, excitement, speed, heat, arrogance, ambition, leadership, masculinity, power, danger, gaudiness, blood, war, anger, revolution, radicalism, socialism, communism, aggression, summer, autumn, stop, Mars (planet), respect, Aries (star sign), December, the Roman Catholic Church, martyrs, the Holy Spirit, conservatism (U.S. politics). Studies show that red can have a physical effect, increasing the rate of respiration and raising blood pressure; red also is said to make people hungry; the red ruby is the traditional 40th wedding anniversary gift. Red is also the color of the devil in modern Western culture. yellow: sunlight, joy, happiness, earth, optimism, intelligence, idealism, wealth (gold), summer, hope, air, liberalism, cowardice, illness (quarantine), hazards, dishonesty, avarice, weakness, greed, femininity, gladness, sociability, summer, friendship, Gemini, Taurus, Leo (golden yellow, star signs), April, September, deceit, hazard signs, death (Middle Ages), mourning (Egypt), courage (Japan), God (gold). Yellow ribbons were worn during times of warfare as a sign of hope as women waited for their men to return. During the Middle Ages, both green and yellow were used to symbolize the devil. white: Light, Reverence, purity, snow, peace, innocence, cleanliness, simplicity, security, humility, sterility, winter, coldness, criticism, surrender, cowardice, fearfulness, unimaginative, air, fire, death (Eastern cultures), hope, Aries, Pisces (star signs), bland, empty and unfriendly(interior), January, celebration
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Aug 11, 2008 10:42:06 GMT -5
I'm afraid you've lost me now, mister mann.that's Ms mann, to you. red: Passion, strength, energy, fire, love, sex, excitement, speed, heat, arrogance, ambition, leadership, masculinity, power, danger, gaudiness, blood, war, anger, revolution, radicalism, socialism, communism, aggression, summer, autumn, stop, Mars (planet), respect, Aries (star sign), December, the Roman Catholic Church, martyrs, the Holy Spirit, conservatism (U.S. politics). Studies show that red can have a physical effect, increasing the rate of respiration and raising blood pressure; red also is said to make people hungry; the red ruby is the traditional 40th wedding anniversary gift. Red is also the color of the devil in modern Western culture. yellow: sunlight, joy, happiness, earth, optimism, intelligence, idealism, wealth (gold), summer, hope, air, liberalism, cowardice, illness (quarantine), hazards, dishonesty, avarice, weakness, greed, femininity, gladness, sociability, summer, friendship, Gemini, Taurus, Leo (golden yellow, star signs), April, September, deceit, hazard signs, death (Middle Ages), mourning (Egypt), courage (Japan), God (gold). Yellow ribbons were worn during times of warfare as a sign of hope as women waited for their men to return. During the Middle Ages, both green and yellow were used to symbolize the devil. white: Light, Reverence, purity, snow, peace, innocence, cleanliness, simplicity, security, humility, sterility, winter, coldness, criticism, surrender, cowardice, fearfulness, unimaginative, air, fire, death (Eastern cultures), hope, Aries, Pisces (star signs), bland, empty and unfriendly(interior), January, celebration No, I GET what you're saying about the colors. It was your insistence that the parking lot was empty (despite the photo indicating otherwise) that was confusing me. Oh, and can someone get me this clock for my birthday?
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Post by The Deceptionist on Aug 12, 2008 8:49:01 GMT -5
"Technically empty" ?? Whattaya mean, Iameye? There are a bunch of cars in that lot. in the book, it all was a vacuum of isolation. No other cars in the lot. i think the point johnny53 was trying to make was that kubrick had literally reversed, reflected or inverted as many aspects of the story as he could. where there were no cars, there is now an abundance whereas it was a red beetle, it is now yellow whereas before the overlook possessed its guests, now the guests are just very receptive to the building's history due to their abilities to a greater or lesser extent to shine, resulting in the visions (if i am to assume correctly). and so on and so on...
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Post by iameye on Aug 12, 2008 10:14:09 GMT -5
One thing kubrick didn't change was the name of the Hotel. The Overlook Hotel
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Post by B on Aug 12, 2008 11:30:17 GMT -5
Have we overlooked something? What's your point, iameye?
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Post by iameye on Aug 12, 2008 11:44:24 GMT -5
Spooky Mr King made the Overlook the external cause of events.
Spooky Mr Kubrick chose specific characters as the modus and source of reflected/mirrored events.
but either way, it's all spooky ;D
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Post by horseloverphat on Aug 17, 2008 15:52:00 GMT -5
I've always thought that Kubrick wanted to keep this term 'Overlook' as part of the sub-plot... which is referencing the destruction (murder/redrum) of the indigenous North American Indian.
The movie is replete with NA Indian symbolism...from the decor (its everywhere) to references in the script. (Hotel built on old Indian burial ground etc) Not forgetting of course Jack's reference to 'White Man's Burden' (Kipling)....during a bar scene.
The likely angle being.... that the USA (although far from unique obviously) is a nation built on the destruction of its indigenous population...(recall the blood pouring from the lift/elavator shafts, that no doubt would penetrate the burial ground itself) and that there exists, a lack of willingness for current/modern society to understand and accept this unpalatable part of its history. Jack could be an embodiment of this very issue...and one that continues to be Overlooked....Jack's life & his subsequent attempt to murder his own family, appears to be a consequence of this amnesia. The picture shot of the 4th July Ball also echoes this aspect...Independence, but not for the Indian.
"And we all shine on...." Instant Karma.
Elohim...The Shining Ones.
The word 'Aryan' derives from 'Arya', which in Indian & Persian language meant "exalted or noble one". The Sumerian word "Ara" meant "lofty, shining". The word "aristocracy" of modern usage comes from the same root. (the aristocracy who frequented the Overlook..."all the best people" as the hotel manager says) The true leadership of nations has always derived from rule by the racial elite, with their whole life....religious, cultural & political...founded in the eternal values of pure blood.
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Post by B on Aug 17, 2008 20:13:04 GMT -5
Madame Helena Blavatsky & horseloverphat wrote: "Elohim, comes from Ellu, meaning “the Shining Ones.” “Shining Ones” is an ambivalent term used for both the Nephilim and their first born. The “Shining Ones” are often depicted with horns on their heads. This was a symbol of wisdom, but also of rulership. This is why shamans, priests, and kings adopted the convention of wearing horns also, especially in the form of the crown. This was to primarily indicate that they were descendants of either the Atlanteans or the Lemurians and were endowed with power. Michelangelo sculpted Moses with horns on his head to indicate his blood-bond to the ante-diluvian kings."Funny they would mention that. Do you think that Mme Blavatsky listened to The Beatles? Before you say, "Don't be silly!", I'll tell you that she did, but that's a whole other story, which she can explain to you in another time. Funny they would mention it though, as the following video instructs its viewers to: "Be the Shining Ones". The egg, it seems, is about to hatch, which is to say: the Earth is being born into the spiritual planes, and those energies are not going to be "held out" by the shell any longer. Anyhoo, here's the story - one you've heard before, perhaps. (wink wink) A word of caution: If you watch this video, you will be hypnotised. INDIGO REVOLUTION- GoldRing 63www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKWaT4UqBf4I have nothing to do with this video. I didn't produce it, write it, or know the people who did. It may sound like a bunch of NABS (New Age Bull Feathers) to you. And yet.....it has a familiar Ring[/color] to it, you will discover. "War is over if you want it." Love, "Heeeeeere's Johnny!" ;D
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Post by B on Aug 23, 2008 12:01:58 GMT -5
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Post by B on Sept 5, 2008 22:24:57 GMT -5
If we take this video at face value: The Shining--Kubricks symbolism explained from 111TRUTH111www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivFs8SKHW7kmight we not conclude that the symbolic message of the twin girls is that a Gemini was murdered, applying the notion that there are Beatle-esque ties to the movie somehow? In an unrelated (?) note, I am intrigued by the fact that the conductor in the Beatles cartoon shown in this video: Paul is Dead - 4 - Where's The Bus? www.youtube.com/watch?v=09yA4moSjO4does what the character Danny did - with his finger being "Tony" - in the movie The Shining. Watch it at 05:44, where the conductor's finger "says": "Bus - 10 miles". This cartoon was made years before Kubrick made "The Shining". But there is his "predecessor". Does anyone know if "Tony" was in the book? Who adopted the idea: Kubrick or King? I'm guessing Kubrick, who deftly used cartoon imagery. I believe this is worthy of further investigation. I'm the kind of man likes to know who's buying their drinks Lloyd! ;D en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shining_(novel)"The Shining (1977) is a horror novel by American author Stephen King. The title was inspired by the John Lennon song "Instant Karma!", which contained the line " We all shine on…" King had originally wanted to call the book "The Shiner," but changed it when he discovered that "shiner" was derogatory slang for blacks. It was King's third published novel, and first hardback bestseller, and the success of the book firmly established King as a preeminent author in the horror genre." also: "The Shining was also heavily influenced by Shirley Jackson's The Haunting of Hill House, Edgar Allan Poe's "The Masque of the Red Death" and Robert Marasco's Burnt Offerings. The story is an entry in the Gothic horror genre drawing on the concept of a building having a conscious will, an idea previously explored by Edgar Allan Poe in "The Fall of the House of Usher" and Shirley Jackson in The Haunting of Hill House." ------------------ Finally there is the issue of Jack's descent into madness. I've posted ad nauseum about the song "Anyway" on Faul's Chaos & Creation album, and how the song descends into madness. * It is possibly a metaphor for a decent into madness by Paul. Therefore, in The Shining, is Jack's story actually Paul's story? And was he murdered? Is that what Kubrick wanted us to know? Oh yes, and before I forget, what is Jack wanting to be? A paperback writer! gotta get up, gotta get up, gotta get up in the morning....Midnight with the stars and Youwww.youtube.com/watch?v=BCUGYgWSz8cMidnight with the stars and you Midnight and a rendez-vouzYour arms held a message tender Saying I surrender all my love to you Midnight brought a sweet romanceI've known all my whole life through I'll be remembering you Whatever else I do Midnight with the stars and you * YT versions posted to date do not include this part of the song.
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Sept 6, 2008 9:34:38 GMT -5
If we take this video at face value: The Shining--Kubricks symbolism explained from 111TRUTH111www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivFs8SKHW7kmight we not conclude that the symbolic message of the twin girls is that a Gemini was murdered, applying the notion that there are Beatle-esque ties to the movie somehow? In an unrelated (?) note, I am intrigued by the fact that the conductor in the Beatles cartoon shown in this video: Paul is Dead - 4 - Where's The Bus? www.youtube.com/watch?v=09yA4moSjO4does what the character Danny did - with his finger being "Tony" - in the movie The Shining. Watch it at 05:44, where the conductor's finger "says": "Bus - 10 miles". This cartoon was made years before Kubrick made "The Shining". But there is his "predecessor". Does anyone know if "Tony" was in the book? Who adopted the idea: Kubrick or King? I'm guessing Kubrick, who deftly used cartoon imagery. I believe this is worthy of further investigation. I'm the kind of man likes to know who's buying their drinks Lloyd! ;D en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shining_(novel)"The Shining (1977) is a horror novel by American author Stephen King. The title was inspired by the John Lennon song "Instant Karma!", which contained the line " We all shine on…" King had originally wanted to call the book "The Shiner," but changed it when he discovered that "shiner" was derogatory slang for blacks. It was King's third published novel, and first hardback bestseller, and the success of the book firmly established King as a preeminent author in the horror genre." also: "The Shining was also heavily influenced by Shirley Jackson's The Haunting of Hill House, Edgar Allan Poe's "The Masque of the Red Death" and Robert Marasco's Burnt Offerings. The story is an entry in the Gothic horror genre drawing on the concept of a building having a conscious will, an idea previously explored by Edgar Allan Poe in "The Fall of the House of Usher" and Shirley Jackson in The Haunting of Hill House." ------------------ Finally there is the issue of Jack's descent into madness. I've posted ad nauseum about the song "Anyway" on Faul's Chaos & Creation album, and how the song descends into madness. It is possibly a metaphor for a decent into madness by Paul. Therefore, in The Shining, is Jack's story actually Paul's story? And was he murdered? Is that what Kubrick wanted us to know? Midnight with the stars and Youwww.youtube.com/watch?v=BCUGYgWSz8cMidnight with the stars and you Midnight and a rendez-vouzYour arms held a message tender Saying I surrender all my love to you Midnight brought a sweet romanceI've known all my whole life through I'll be remembering you Whatever else I do Midnight with the stars and you Hey there, B. I just woke up and haven't had time to go through the vids yet, but I like where you're headed. As for Tony's role in the book, it's DIFFERENT. In the book, he's actually a little boy who Danny SEES, as opposed to being a little boy who "lives in Danny's stomach" and is given voice by Danny's finger. So, the answer to your question is that it was Kubrick who adopted the talking finger idea from the Beatles cartoon. Interestingly (or not) enough, the year I graduated from High School, there was a beheading in my home town, and the murderer wrote redrum on the wall in the victim's blood. Needless to say, it was quite the story in my hood, but I can't find much about it on the internets. Here's a bit, though: "The piece of wall with "redrum" scrawled on it is from one of the city’s most well-known murder cases: the beheading of Stanley T. Detweiler, 41, on July 25, 1987, in his apartment at 201 S. Fifth St. National and international tabloids followed the case." readingeagle.com/article.aspx?id=87575
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Sept 6, 2008 10:19:14 GMT -5
If we take this video at face value: The Shining--Kubricks symbolism explained from 111TRUTH111www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivFs8SKHW7kmight we not conclude that the symbolic message of the twin girls is that a Gemini was murdered, applying the notion that there are Beatle-esque ties to the movie somehow? In an unrelated (?) note, I am intrigued by the fact that the conductor in the Beatles cartoon shown in this video: Paul is Dead - 4 - Where's The Bus? www.youtube.com/watch?v=09yA4moSjO4does what the character Danny did - with his finger being "Tony" - in the movie The Shining. Watch it at 05:44, where the conductor's finger "says": "Bus - 10 miles". This cartoon was made years before Kubrick made "The Shining". But there is his "predecessor". Does anyone know if "Tony" was in the book? Who adopted the idea: Kubrick or King? I'm guessing Kubrick, who deftly used cartoon imagery. I believe this is worthy of further investigation. I'm the kind of man likes to know who's buying their drinks Lloyd! ;D en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shining_(novel)"The Shining (1977) is a horror novel by American author Stephen King. The title was inspired by the John Lennon song "Instant Karma!", which contained the line " We all shine on…" King had originally wanted to call the book "The Shiner," but changed it when he discovered that "shiner" was derogatory slang for blacks. It was King's third published novel, and first hardback bestseller, and the success of the book firmly established King as a preeminent author in the horror genre." also: "The Shining was also heavily influenced by Shirley Jackson's The Haunting of Hill House, Edgar Allan Poe's "The Masque of the Red Death" and Robert Marasco's Burnt Offerings. The story is an entry in the Gothic horror genre drawing on the concept of a building having a conscious will, an idea previously explored by Edgar Allan Poe in "The Fall of the House of Usher" and Shirley Jackson in The Haunting of Hill House." ------------------ Finally there is the issue of Jack's descent into madness. I've posted ad nauseum about the song "Anyway" on Faul's Chaos & Creation album, and how the song descends into madness. It is possibly a metaphor for a decent into madness by Paul. Therefore, in The Shining, is Jack's story actually Paul's story? And was he murdered? Is that what Kubrick wanted us to know? Midnight with the stars and Youwww.youtube.com/watch?v=BCUGYgWSz8cMidnight with the stars and you Midnight and a rendez-vouzYour arms held a message tender Saying I surrender all my love to you Midnight brought a sweet romanceI've known all my whole life through I'll be remembering you Whatever else I do Midnight with the stars and you At 01:40 in the first vid you posted, B, there's a shot of Jack Torrance (not to be confused with Jack TArrance ;D) being served breakfast in bed. There's clearly something carved into the headboard, and it's also clear that it's in the shot deliberately. It looks more than a bit like the Love Code overlaying Macca's face. And hell, even if it doesn't look like the Love Code, it still pretty freaking interesting, no?
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Post by B on Sept 6, 2008 12:37:17 GMT -5
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Post by B on Sept 6, 2008 23:27:41 GMT -5
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Post by iameye on Sept 6, 2008 23:54:25 GMT -5
B, twin bro...... If you want me to freaking die, I will, but not like that.... jeeze Louise, I'm telling mom on you....na na na na, na na na na............ ps where's that 20 bucks you owe me, first?
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Post by B on Sept 7, 2008 0:11:58 GMT -5
I was going to give it to you for your birthday.
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Post by iameye on Sept 7, 2008 1:01:02 GMT -5
I was going to give it to you for your birthday. with you, "always gonna" I want it today or I'm telling DAD! I'm serious, B. Stop tryin' to off me in you posts, twin freak. anyway, what's up with the lights in the window?
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