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Post by jarvitronics on Nov 3, 2008 21:05:14 GMT -5
So I was watching Shrek and the part came on where John Cale sings Cohen's "Hallelujah" (which damn near makes me cry BTW). The opening lyric "I heard there was a secret chord that David played and it pleased the Lord" inspired me do a search on "secret chord" and this popped up: Mathematician Cracks Mystery Beatles Chord-j |
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Post by faulconandsnowjob on Nov 3, 2008 22:32:33 GMT -5
So what was the chord? I also thought it was some C-chord, but this guy is saying there was an F, too? C & F? Or just F? I'm confused :-P
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Post by iameye on Nov 3, 2008 22:40:11 GMT -5
it was tricky because of a barely detectable piano note, as to my understanding.
"George Martin, the Beatles producer—also played on the chord, adding a piano chord that included an F note impossible to play with the other notes on the guitar. The resulting chord was completely different than anything found in the literature about the song to date, which is one reason why Dr. Brown’s findings garnered international attention. He laughs that he may be the only mathematician ever to be published in Guitar Player magazine."
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Post by Doc on Nov 3, 2008 22:43:06 GMT -5
So what was the chord? I also thought it was some C-chord, but this guy is saying there was an F, too? C & F? Or just F? I'm confused :-P Math? I just use my ear. I may be wrong, their are some rich overtones but I think it is this:  |
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Post by skyward on Nov 3, 2008 23:02:31 GMT -5
So I was watching Shrek and the part came on where John Cale sings Cohen's "Hallelujah" (which damn near makes me cry BTW). The opening lyric "I heard there was a secret chord that David played and it pleased the Lord" inspired me do a search on "secret chord" and this popped up: Mathematician Cracks Mystery Beatles Chord-j There are several renditions of 'Hallelujah', this one Tingles. Jeff Buckley, in 1997, drowned in the Mississippi River as he was allegedly singing the chorus to 'Whole Lotta Love', he was 30.  YT page p.s. I don't know what happened to my previous post? |
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Post by Doc on Nov 3, 2008 23:56:30 GMT -5
My last try:  There is some kind of layering, and a "beat" meaning out of tuneness kind of oscillation going on in the sustain (it's wonderful, really) that has these overtones I think, so I can hear those tones each, but some may be false partials or whatever. |
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Post by iameye on Nov 4, 2008 0:08:17 GMT -5
My last try: There is some kind of layering, and a "beat" meaning out of tuneness kind of oscillation going on in the sustain (it's wonderful, really) that has these overtones I think, so I can hear those tones each, but some may be false partials or whatever. is there anything 7 about that? doc? just askin looks like the division bell ;D |
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Post by Doc on Nov 4, 2008 0:20:43 GMT -5
 This was my 4th try. I did not post #2. I think this is closest...... why this torment? First 37 letter German Proper names, and now some studio cluster f*** chord with a notable history.. my brain... I am going out for a drink. Meet me at the "El Matador" on 9th and Elm. I'll buy you a Scotch on the rocks. Yes, twice. The 7th of G is F, the 7th of D is C. This can be anylized as either a dm11 sort of chord, making it a minor 7, 11 dominant, or as a weird I (one) chord, a Gsus4(7) with a D in the bass---or not. It is hard to be sure whether the lowest note is G2 or D2 because of the way it is mixed. I feel the low D more than I hear it.....etc Suffice it to say it really wants to be a Dm7(11) type of dominant lead in to the song..... that's how it functions in time to the ear. |
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Post by thisone on Nov 4, 2008 20:05:04 GMT -5
I always started with a *G11 barre G,D,F,C,D,G - in opposition to my Beatles Gold book which shows a G11 open chord X,C,D,A,B,F which I always thought was wrong, even when I dropped the C in favour of G which gives G,(A),D,A,B,F.
*Without the pinky on the "A" on the 6th, so it's suspended or something.
Doc!!
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Post by Doc on Nov 4, 2008 22:36:05 GMT -5
I always started with a *G11 barre G,D,F,C,D,G - in opposition to my Beatles Gold book which shows a G11 open chord X,C,D,A,B,F which I always thought was wrong, even when I dropped the C in favour of G which gives G,(A),D,A,B,F. *Without the pinky on the "A" on the 6th, so it's suspended or something. Doc!! It began to soound like a composite of three elements: (1) someone tuned an acoustic guitar's 6 strings DOWN a full step, giving us D G C F A D (as opposed to E A D G B E) and performed a routine strum down the strings. WHILST (2) Someone with an electric geetar played a Gsus4 (7) with the top note G in the treble clef, probably D G C F G (if that is possible fretwise) and last (3) a piano chord mid range, like an F chord, top note F lowest treble space. all at once cause I hear undulations in the chord but they may just be overtones, that imply some F major in i. This is chord psychosis, ladies and gentlemen. Fill blown. |
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Post by Doc on Nov 4, 2008 22:41:29 GMT -5
I always started with a *G11 barre G,D,F,C,D,G - in opposition to my Beatles Gold book which shows a G11 open chord X,C,D,A,B,F which I always thought was wrong, even when I dropped the C in favour of G which gives G,(A),D,A,B,F. *Without the pinky on the "A" on the 6th, so it's suspended or something. Doc!! Do you mind elucidating this: my Beatles Gold book which shows a G11 open chord X,C,D,A,B,F What is an "X"? They didn't give me one on my piano, I don't think...... Is there an X# on guitar? ok i am kidding...... |
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Post by thisone on Nov 5, 2008 0:00:53 GMT -5
Gosh I was afraid some smart.....person would pick up on that!  Not being a trained musician (sic )what can read music and all, I had to improvise - hahaha and not like that either! For those who dont know what I meant (and I doubt there are any here), the bottom string, or open E, isn't played.  ps Thanks for the breakdown! You've got a talent and a great ear! |
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Post by Doc on Nov 5, 2008 1:00:09 GMT -5
Gosh I was afraid some smart.....person would pick up on that! Not being a trained musician (sic )what can read music and all, I had to improvise - hahaha and not like that either! For those who dont know what I meant (and I doubt there are any here), the bottom string, or open E, isn't played. ps Thanks for the breakdown! You've got a talent and a great ear! oh, cool, and uh, thanks. I thank God for my "ear." They are tuned for certain thing moreso than others. teehee but my ears keep me working, ie, when I rehearse the orchestra or vocal ensemble if I hear a wrong note I usually know what wrong note got played or sung and by whom. Then I have to employ my other talent, my near Protean Tact and Diplomacy, on fixing it. HA! Musical kingdoms rise and fall on a mere word spoken without caution---- oh I am so full of baloney. I k*ss *ss like everyone else. I appreciate your term "X" for no play, totally works. Is that standard for guitarists? Warning: talented guitarists completely intimidate me and I always fear I will stupid to them. Cuz usually I do. (Piano and guitar frets are two opposing worlds, and I have longed to cross the gulf but been thwarted by time and tide....) Best to you! |
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Post by thisone on Nov 5, 2008 13:31:00 GMT -5
Gosh I was afraid some smart.....person would pick up on that! Not being a trained musician (sic )what can read music and all, I had to improvise - hahaha and not like that either! For those who dont know what I meant (and I doubt there are any here), the bottom string, or open E, isn't played. ps Thanks for the breakdown! You've got a talent and a great ear! oh, cool, and uh, thanks. I thank God for my "ear." They are tuned for certain thing moreso than others. teehee but my ears keep me working, ie, when I rehearse the orchestra or vocal ensemble if I hear a wrong note I usually know what wrong note got played or sung and by whom. Then I have to employ my other talent, my near Protean Tact and Diplomacy, on fixing it. HA! Musical kingdoms rise and fall on a mere word spoken without caution---- oh I am so full of baloney. I k*ss *ss like everyone else. I appreciate your term "X" for no play, totally works. Is that standard for guitarists? Warning: talented guitarists completely intimidate me and I always fear I will stupid to them. Cuz usually I do. (Piano and guitar frets are two opposing worlds, and I have longed to cross the gulf but been thwarted by time and tide....) Best to you! There are a lot of guitarists who can't read music, so there are a couple of formats, such as TABS, for the communication of notes and chords! 'X' would be fairly widely used and understood by those less fortunate souls. |
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Post by sunsoflight on Nov 5, 2008 20:33:04 GMT -5
This was some interesting news. The link on the same page that leads to another page speaks on how mathematics can determine the difference between music John wrote and Paul wrote.
The X does stand for string not played or a muted string. I figured there were some musicians here on the board.
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