Magical Crowley Tour

[iameye]

always interesting

[B]

What's that weird triangle in the clone's hand. That's not normal.
Interesting: Bush's heart line is quite "uncharitable".

[puzzled]

Kenneth Grant states:

The function of magick is to liberate consciousness from the thraldom of individual existence; it permits it to flow into cosmic immensity. The result is a divine madness, an inebriation of the senses which is none the less perfectly controlled.


I'm not too sure what the difference is between 'Divine Madness' and the regular ol' kind of madness that simple folk like me get?

[iameye]

Jan 3, 2009 21:22:21 GMT -5 iameye said:

always interesting

I wonder what a nice scan of this would look like, or have we looked at that hand ( sorry for the diversion)
what would a triangle mean, B?

[puzzled]

I fetched a few more pics of GW waving for comparison:

[iameye]

both hands , george and issy's, have the two center fingers together tendency.........how interesting....maybe


lol

[ramone]

Wasn't that pinky thing she's doing a thing on that show 'V'?

(Just kidding around folks.)

[Doc]

Jan 3, 2009 19:22:21 GMT -5 puzzled said:

Here is the clip as it was originally without the music. Please note that Manson announces that he is not a "Phoney!"

I'm sorry, but I think he is a scheming, manipulative, unrepentant bastard with no regard for human beings or even life itself. But I don't want to sound too judgmental.
Just judgmental enough. Why did he not get capital? Afraid he'd break the chair? Or were they already doing injections then? Afraid he'd like it too much?

His frying time awaits.

[B]

Iameye wrote:
"I wonder what a nice scan of this would look like, or have we looked at that hand ( sorry for the diversion)
what would a triangle mean, B?"

Issy Bonn's hand is not clearly shown, of course, but the "lumpiness" of the lunar mound
and the mound of Venus would be good for someone who is a comic, indicating intuitiveness and creativity.
(Compare to Laura Bush's skinny hand!)

But Bush's hand is just plain weird!
The V that goes between his third finger and his pinkie finger is not present on most people,
and the downward line towards his thumb that makes a triangle
appear by his thumb when he is waving is totally abbey-normal. ;D
In the last picture it almost looks like "12", which may indicate he was clone # 12. ;D







Triangles can mean different things depending where they are on the hand, but most people have one
due to the convergence of lines toward the center of their palms. That is OK.
www.springsgreetingcards.com/catalogs/store.asp?pid=73303&catid=22647
"Triangles - These are signs of achievement and success. On your career line (fate line),
they also signify a turning point in your career for the better."

Laura's skinny pinkie would tend to indicate she's a cold fish in bed.

basic palm reading: www.springsgreetingcards.com/catalogs/store.asp?pid=73303&catid=22647

[puzzled]

In January through March of 1918 Crowley began a series of magickal workings called the Amalantrah Workings in furnished rooms in Central Park West, New York City. These were a performed via Sexual & Ceremonial Magick (his spelling) with the intent to invoke certain "intelligences" to physical manifestation. In actuality, the workings typically manifested as a series of visions and communications received through the mediumship of his partner, Roddie Minor.

Be that as it may, at least one such "intelligence" was brought into physical manifestation via the Magickal Portal they created. (A portal in this context is a "magickally" created rent in the fabric of time and space.) The entity that came through is the one pictured below. Crowley maintained the picture is actually a portrait and drawn from real life. This entity either called itself "Lam," or was named "Lam" by Crowley. Either way, he considered it to be of interdimensional origin, which was the term then for extraterrestrial. In communications with Lam, the symbolism of the egg featured prominently.



"The Cult [of Lam] has been founded because very strong intimations have been received by Aossic Aiwass, 718'.' to the effect that the portrait of Lam (the original drawing of which was given by 666'.' to 718'.' under curious circumstances) is the present focus of an extra-terrestrial - and perhaps trans-plutonic - Energy which the O.T.O. is required to communicate at this critical period, for we have now entered the Eighties mentioned in The Book of the Law. It is Our aim to obtain some insight not only into the nature of Lam, but also into the possibilities of using the Egg as an astral space-capsule for travelling to Lam's domain, or for exploring extra-terrestrial spaces in the sense in which O.T.O. Tantric Time-Travelers are exploring the Tunnels of Set in intra-cosmic and chthonian capsules.

www.boudillion.com/lam/lam.htm

They are the Egg Men.


According to O.T.O. chief Kenneth Grant:

Lam is known to be a link between the star systems of Sirius and Andromeda.

Lam is the gateway to the Void. Its number, 71, is that of "NoThing", an apparition.

Lam, as a Great Old One, whose archetype is recognizable in accounts of UFO occupants.

Lam has been invoked to fulfill the work set afoot by Aiwass; as a reflex of Aiwass.

Lam as the transmitter to AL of the vibrations of LA via MA, the key to the Aeon of Maat.

Lam is the occult energy beaming the vibrations of Maat and may proceed from that future aeon.


Ong's Hat



At this point a Fellow of the ICS is prepared for work with the device we call the "egg." This consists of a modified sensory-deprivation chamber in which attention can be focused on a computer terminal and screen. Electrodes are taped to various body parts to provide physiological data which is fed into the computer. The explorer now dons a peculiar helmet, a highly sophisticated fourth-generation version of the early "brain machines," which can sonically stimulate brain cells either globally or locally and in various combinations, thus directing not only "brain waves" but also highly specific mental-physical functions. The helmet is also plugged into the computer and provides feedback in various programmed ways. The explorer now undertakes a series of exercises in which the theorems are used to generate graphic animations of the "strange attractors" which map various states of consciousness, setting up feedback loops between this "iconography" and the actual states themselves, which are in turn generated through the helmet simultaneously with their representation on the screen. Certain of these exercises involve the "alchemical" use of mind-active drugs, including new vasopressin derivatives, beta-endorphins and hallucinogens (usually in "threshold" dosages). Some of these tinctures are simply to provide active-relaxation and focused-attention states, others are specifically linked to the requirments of "Cognitive Chaos" research.

Even in the earliest and crudest stages of the egg's development the ICS founders quickly realized that many of the Dobbs twins' PhD thesis predictions might be considered cautious or conservative. Enhanced control of autonomous body functions was attained even in the second-generation version, and the third provided a kind of bathysphere capable of "diving down" even to the cellular level. Certain unexpected side-effects included phenomena usually classified as paranormal. We knew we were not hallucinating all this, quite bluntly, because we obtained concrete and measurable results, not only in terms of "yogic powers" (such as suspended animation, "inner heat," lucid dreaming and the like) but also in observable benefits to health: rapid healing, remission of chronic conditions, absence of disease.

At this point in development of the egg (third generation) the researchers attempted to "descend" (like SciFi micronauts) to the Quantum level.

deoxy.org/inc2.htm

*Note - many consider all of the Ong's Hat information a hoax or an ARG (similar to what they categorize PID as I suppose) but I am mentioning that to be thorough, although I suppose that is already evident ;D

[iameye]

Jan 7, 2009 23:28:18 GMT -5 puzzled said:

In January through March of 1918 Crowley began a series of magickal workings called the Amalantrah Workings in furnished rooms in Central Park West, New York City. These were a performed via Sexual & Ceremonial Magick (his spelling) with the intent to invoke certain "intelligences" to physical manifestation. In actuality, the workings typically manifested as a series of visions and communications received through the mediumship of his partner, Roddie Minor.

Be that as it may, at least one such "intelligence" was brought into physical manifestation via the Magickal Portal they created. (A portal in this context is a "magickally" created rent in the fabric of time and space.) The entity that came through is the one pictured below. Crowley maintained the picture is actually a portrait and drawn from real life. This entity either called itself "Lam," or was named "Lam" by Crowley. Either way, he considered it to be of interdimensional origin, which was the term then for extraterrestrial. In communications with Lam, the symbolism of the egg featured prominently.



"The Cult [of Lam] has been founded because very strong intimations have been received by Aossic Aiwass, 718'.' to the effect that the portrait of Lam (the original drawing of which was given by 666'.' to 718'.' under curious circumstances) is the present focus of an extra-terrestrial - and perhaps trans-plutonic - Energy which the O.T.O. is required to communicate at this critical period, for we have now entered the Eighties mentioned in The Book of the Law. It is Our aim to obtain some insight not only into the nature of Lam, but also into the possibilities of using the Egg as an astral space-capsule for travelling to Lam's domain, or for exploring extra-terrestrial spaces in the sense in which O.T.O. Tantric Time-Travelers are exploring the Tunnels of Set in intra-cosmic and chthonian capsules.

www.boudillion.com/lam/lam.htm

They are the Egg Men.


According to O.T.O. chief Kenneth Grant:

Lam is known to be a link between the star systems of Sirius and Andromeda.

Lam is the gateway to the Void. Its number, 71, is that of "NoThing", an apparition.

Lam, as a Great Old One, whose archetype is recognizable in accounts of UFO occupants.

Lam has been invoked to fulfill the work set afoot by Aiwass; as a reflex of Aiwass.

Lam as the transmitter to AL of the vibrations of LA via MA, the key to the Aeon of Maat.

Lam is the occult energy beaming the vibrations of Maat and may proceed from that future aeon.


Ong's Hat



At this point a Fellow of the ICS is prepared for work with the device we call the "egg." This consists of a modified sensory-deprivation chamber in which attention can be focused on a computer terminal and screen. Electrodes are taped to various body parts to provide physiological data which is fed into the computer. The explorer now dons a peculiar helmet, a highly sophisticated fourth-generation version of the early "brain machines," which can sonically stimulate brain cells either globally or locally and in various combinations, thus directing not only "brain waves" but also highly specific mental-physical functions. The helmet is also plugged into the computer and provides feedback in various programmed ways. The explorer now undertakes a series of exercises in which the theorems are used to generate graphic animations of the "strange attractors" which map various states of consciousness, setting up feedback loops between this "iconography" and the actual states themselves, which are in turn generated through the helmet simultaneously with their representation on the screen. Certain of these exercises involve the "alchemical" use of mind-active drugs, including new vasopressin derivatives, beta-endorphins and hallucinogens (usually in "threshold" dosages). Some of these tinctures are simply to provide active-relaxation and focused-attention states, others are specifically linked to the requirments of "Cognitive Chaos" research.

Even in the earliest and crudest stages of the egg's development the ICS founders quickly realized that many of the Dobbs twins' PhD thesis predictions might be considered cautious or conservative. Enhanced control of autonomous body functions was attained even in the second-generation version, and the third provided a kind of bathysphere capable of "diving down" even to the cellular level. Certain unexpected side-effects included phenomena usually classified as paranormal. We knew we were not hallucinating all this, quite bluntly, because we obtained concrete and measurable results, not only in terms of "yogic powers" (such as suspended animation, "inner heat," lucid dreaming and the like) but also in observable benefits to health: rapid healing, remission of chronic conditions, absence of disease.

At this point in development of the egg (third generation) the researchers attempted to "descend" (like SciFi micronauts) to the Quantum level.

deoxy.org/inc2.htm

*Note - many consider all of the Ong's Hat information a hoax or an ARG (similar to what they categorize PID as I suppose) but I am mentioning that to be thorough, although I suppose that is already evident ;D

For occultists operating along O.T.O. lines, the idea is to invoke these Lam entities through Magickal Portals (intentionally created rents in time and space) into physical manifestation on planet earth. Why this is desirable is not always so clearly stated. (It often appears that within Crowleyian circles the working rule is often: "If Crowley did it, I want to do it, too.")

Michael Bertiaux, a Lam contactee and invoker of note, viewed Lam as the "subterranean burgeoning of Lucifer-Gnosis." Considering that Gnosis means an intuitive knowing, this would mean that knowing Lam is to know a welling-up from the unconscious of an inner knowing of Lucifer. (The Occult being the occult, it is important to bear in mind that occultists at least may not necessarily see Lucifer as the devil, but rather as a "light bringer" who fell to earth.)



light bringer, hmm

quantum level?




follow her down to a bridge by a fountain


just a hoax?
;D
funny they called it a "hat"
"in occult terms at least, Lam is considered a class of entity rather than an individual being"
www.boudillion.com/lam/lam.htm

more on the Beatles, the Brain and Astronomy invanddis.proboards29.com/index.cgi?board=Clues&action=display&thread=4126


invanddis.proboards29.com/index.cgi?board=Clues&action=display&thread=4126







billy and his mustang

[B]

More interesting information about Charlie Manson and Son of Sam and the Process Church:

poweredbychrist.homestead.com/something_wicked_4.html

(Views not necessarily mine)

[puzzled]

This book discusses the idea of using make-believe and drama to work magick:

The Theatre of Magick
by Ray Sherwin

The would-be-magician with no ideas of his own may borrow from children’s stories or from grand texts on magick until he has discovered which mood is most suitable for him. Thereafter he begins to develop in his own way, acting, to continue the thespian analogy, as producer, director, set-designer, script-writer, star and audience. The more unusual the script and setting the greater the overall effect on him. Nor need he restrict himself to his ‘temple’. These ‘dramas’ can be acted out in the real world with slight modifications in belief.

Example: the magician presumes himself to be the only real person in the world, all others being android ‘extras’ brought in especially for his benefit to any situation in which he finds himself. This practice should be continued until new interpretations cease to occur to him. Diametrically opposed to this is the presumption that everyone in the world is an adept except him and that the world is waiting for him in order to take the next
step in its evolution. This practice should also be continued until new interpretations cannot be found. During these processes he may also choose to put himself into impossible situations from which he finds it difficult to extricate himself. 2 These activities, carefully, performed, confer a new way of thinking, a new perspective from which it is easier to see things as they are and this the magician must be able to do
before planning a long term course of action. But he must beware. If he is not careful here insanity will be his only result.

[puzzled]

[iameye]

Jan 9, 2009 20:44:44 GMT -5 puzzled said:

This book discusses the idea of using make-believe and drama to work magick:

The Theatre of Magick
by Ray Sherwin

The would-be-magician with no ideas of his own may borrow from children’s stories or from grand texts on magick until he has discovered which mood is most suitable for him. Thereafter he begins to develop in his own way, acting, to continue the thespian analogy, as producer, director, set-designer, script-writer, star and audience. The more unusual the script and setting the greater the overall effect on him. Nor need he restrict himself to his ‘temple’. These ‘dramas’ can be acted out in the real world with slight modifications in belief.

Example: the magician presumes himself to be the only real person in the world, all others being android ‘extras’ brought in especially for his benefit to any situation in which he finds himself. This practice should be continued until new interpretations cease to occur to him. Diametrically opposed to this is the presumption that everyone in the world is an adept except him and that the world is waiting for him in order to take the next
step in its evolution. This practice should also be continued until new interpretations cannot be found. During these processes he may also choose to put himself into impossible situations from which he finds it difficult to extricate himself. 2 These activities, carefully, performed, confer a new way of thinking, a new perspective from which it is easier to see things as they are and this the magician must be able to do
before planning a long term course of action. But he must beware. If he is not careful here insanity will be his only result.

jeeze


please don't be very long

make believe and pirate songs go to a childs heart. And memory.

[iameye]

Jan 9, 2009 21:47:14 GMT -5 puzzled said:

.........is the wing chair half full or half empty?

[puzzled]

Faul McCartney's '222' Video





The Luxifer(a) Research Group

EVOLOVE is the Aionic Word of Ipsissimus 616, The Outer Head of The LRG. It is Eternal Self-Love ever recoiling back unto Itself, yet ready to strike at any time. Evolove is also the evolving of Androgynous Love and can be considered as both a Divine Fiat and a compression of "Love under Will". Its number is 222, the "fresh fever from the skies" (Liber AL III.34) as promised by AIVAS, Aleister Crowley's Un-holy Guardian Angel.

www.aionicstar.com/

[puzzled]

WARNING - Adult Content


HERMAPHRODITUS II:


The Splendorous Victory of The Androgyne


TWO-IN-ONE
STREAMS A FOUNT OF COME

HERMAPHRODITUS

UNITE US

SALMACIS

X-STASIS

NU HUMANISTIC ORCHIDS GROWING
STONE OF THE PHILOSOPHERS FLOWING

BATHE IN ITS LIQUIDIAMOND WATER
TO BE-COME THE ALL’S SON-DAUGHTER

ANGELICK REBIS IN WHITE & RED
AN UN-DEAD WEDDING-FUNERAL BED

RIPENING INTO THE KINGLY QUEEN
THE MERCURIAL FOOL IN-BETWEEN

A CHILD BORN IN THE CRYING FIRE
MAY THIS SIX-FOLD STAR SEAL Y-OUR DESIRE


TWO-IN-ONE
STREAMS A FOUNT OF BLOOD


HERMAPHRODITUS
UNITE US

SALMACIS

X-STASIS


EVOLOVEVOLOVEVOLOVE [All you need is love]


Paul McCartney as The Fireman




NU ALCHEMY II: [Yoko's NU-Topia?]

(Homunculus)

THE IRIDESCENT CEPHALOPODIC EYE
JETTISONED BLOOD-RED MONSTROUS SLIME

SO WE ENCASED IT IN A TRANS-PARENT VIAL
‘TIL SEED WAS ADDED WITH MANTRICK GUILE

UPON RE-SEALING, IT FROTHED & FOAMED
THEN CHANGED INTO AN UN-EARTHLY LOAM

A HARLOT WOMB OF OUR DESIRE
WHENCE EMERGED A CHILD OF FIRE

WHOM WE MUST NURTURE & FEED AT LEAST
THIS BASTARD OF BABALON & BEAST

UNTIL IT FILLS A BITCH’S VIAL
TO GRANT WINGS TO THE EVOLUTIONARY SPIRAL


V.I.T.R.I.O.L.

www.aionicstar.com/ALCHEMY.html




The Aion of Aquarius

Noxifer(a)

caped in Mauve Twilight

Noxifer(a)

naked in the golden black of Dawn

Noxifer(a)

Christos-Nosferatu

Noxifer(a)

Lord-Lady of the (Un)dead

Noxifer(a)

A (Wo)man of the Dragon

Noxifer(a)

A (Wo)man littered in Diamonds
[Luc-y-fer with diamonds?]
Noxifer(a)

The Howler in Cemeteries and all abandoned places

Noxifer(a)

Living is Dying

and Daath is but a Door

[This repetitive dualistic life/death theme is what makes me question the story of JPM being murdered. It could just be part of the Theatre or "Leela" being played out.]

[puzzled]

More OTO gleanings from Kenneth Grant:


Outside the Circles of Time
Page 133-35

..."Only on March 17, 1948 was it discovered that the word referred to by Nuit, which contained the 'Key of the Rituals' was the word 'manifestation.' Only then was it seen by me that the letters which are on the Silver Star, as arranged in 1932 (and which derive from 1926) are clearly displayed in two ways in the word Manifestation and thus given the sanction of Nuit and Liber Legis." He notes that the five letters of Ma-ion add up to 107, which corresponds to the word BITzH, 'an egg,' and the reamining eight letters of the word 'manifestation' add to 150. This number means 'Nest.' What Achad did not note, however, is that the number 107 is the number of the Angel or Messenger of the Beast, as Leo, the Angel whose name is Oval. The egg should have suggested this to Achad, for it is a key to the formula RPSTOVAL contained in the cryptic cypher of AL.II.76. Furthermore, the word Rpstoval is equivalent to 696 which is the number of Ipsos, the Word - according to Soror Andahadna - of the Aeon of Maat. 280 also is a number of IPSOS; 280 is formed of the letters RP, and together with ST (Set) is completed or born of the Egg (OVAL).

The precious threefold Stone comprised of Sirius A, B and C is therefore mystically represented by Kether and the Ain beyond. Achad's triple Chintamani proves to be Sirius, the Star of Set and the source of the extra-terrestrial Current that powers the A.:A.: which, in 1904 (terrestrial time) inspired the transmission of The Book of the Law which coincides with the inauguration of the Aeon of Horus.

...Together with the triple chintamani, this makes four stones. This is not the heavenly sapphire but the OPR or 'dust of the earth' which is red, thus balancing the Star Sapphire with the Star Ruby. The dust of the earth is that effluvium peculiar to the Goddess. It is connected with the lunar current and used in rituals which generate the sacred Exlixir, sometimes called the Stone of the Wise. It is a secretion of Yesod which conceals the secret-ion, which as Achad has shown, is not manifest but concealed with the Aeon of Horus.


The philosophers stone? Sirius A, B & C?

[B]

Regarding reply # 84, I find, while reading about the "egg", the attitude of the people doing the research
(Incunabula Research Center, apparently) utterly repulsive.
Talk about "playing God"! Yuck! (Or should I say Yoke!) I am sure they got "volunteers" willing or otherwise,
but the research techniques offend me from an ethical perspective. I can understand the
desire on the part of the researchers to learn, but are they moral people, who ought to be entrusted
with the secrets of how the brain links to spirit, or are they motivated by wicked intent,
whose research will be an asset to the NWO types?
I know what I suspect as I read the haughtiness of their techniques:

"Certain of these exercises involve the "alchemical" use of mind-active drugs, including new vasopressin derivatives, beta-endorphins and hallucinogens (usually in "threshold" dosages). Some of these tinctures are simply to provide active-relaxation and focused-attention states, others are specifically linked to the requirments of "Cognitive Chaos" research."

Oh yeah, I trust these researchers. They exhibit all the ethics and humility I like to see evident
in unraveling of the mysteries of creation. Humility, respect for the grandness of nature, appreciation
of the intelligence evidenced in the functionality of the organs involved. All there.
May they burn in hell.

[puzzled]

We've discussed the twisted meanings of the words "PEACE and LOVE," already, but I found this juicy tidbit of info regarding the Peace Sign that is typically used to denote the word in symbol. (I have transcribed from a pdf, but you will have to imagine the peace sign symbol, as I don't have it available in this font.)


Regarding the 'Peace Sign' in "Black Runa" by Stephen Flowers



...Actually, it is an example of the use of a group's internal symbolism against itself. In the esoteric runology of the early 20th century, chiefly originated by Guido von List and his followers, the sign indicated "death." This is in contrast to the sign which meant "life." This symbolism quickly spread to popular use in the early 20th century Germany, so that even certain newspapers began to print the dates of a person's birth and death prefixed by the signs of life and death respectively. Some papers continue the practice to this date. It is well established that these symbols essentially stood for life and death. Perhaps it should be noted that Right Wing organizations have also taken up the "life rune" as a symbol, e.g. on the masthead of the National Vanguard.

The Russians, as the Red Army advanced toward Berlin, distributed leaflets urging the Germans to give up the fight, telling them that the war was lost and that only death awaited them. These leaflets were decorated with the "peace sign" - in this case a sign of death. In the example below, we see a propaganda poster alerting the German Leftists that Heinrich Himmler (i.e. the SS) was to assume responsibility for internal security in Germany as he had done in various lands the Germans had conquered - wherein massive genocide had been practiced. "Now It's Our Turn!" the poster declares. Note the use of the "death rune" (regular peace sign).

It would seem that the sign was later taken up by Leftists. Doubtless, this was due as much to its mysterious allure (common to runic symbols in general) as to its associations with previous causes.

[iameye]

Jan 13, 2009 15:45:11 GMT -5 puzzled said:

We've discussed the twisted meanings of the words "PEACE and LOVE," already, but I found this juicy tidbit of info regarding the Peace Sign that is typically used to denote the word in symbol. (I have transcribed from a pdf, but you will have to imagine the peace sign symbol, as I don't have it available in this font.)


Regarding the 'Peace Sign' in "Black Runa" by Stephen Flowers



...Actually, it is an example of the use of a group's internal symbolism against itself. In the esoteric runology of the early 20th century, chiefly originated by Guido von List and his followers, the sign indicated "death." This is in contrast to the sign which meant "life." This symbolism quickly spread to popular use in the early 20th century Germany, so that even certain newspapers began to print the dates of a person's birth and death prefixed by the signs of life and death respectively. Some papers continue the practice to this date. It is well established that these symbols essentially stood for life and death. Perhaps it should be noted that Right Wing organizations have also taken up the "life rune" as a symbol, e.g. on the masthead of the National Vanguard.

The Russians, as the Red Army advanced toward Berlin, distributed leaflets urging the Germans to give up the fight, telling them that the war was lost and that only death awaited them. These leaflets were decorated with the "peace sign" - in this case a sign of death. In the example below, we see a propaganda poster alerting the German Leftists that Heinrich Himmler (i.e. the SS) was to assume responsibility for internal security in Germany as he had done in various lands the Germans had conquered - wherein massive genocide had been practiced. "Now It's Our Turn!" the poster declares. Note the use of the "death rune" (regular peace sign).

It would seem that the sign was later taken up by Leftists. Doubtless, this was due as much to its mysterious allure (common to runic symbols in general) as to its associations with previous causes.

yes, I've read similar things

[puzzled]

So when Ringo Starr is compulsively casting "Peace and Love, Peace and Love" at me, it actually means: "I manifest death at you?"

[iameye]

could be something interesting? who knows.

[P(D)enny La(i)ne]

Jan 13, 2009 19:54:51 GMT -5 iameye said:

Jan 13, 2009 15:45:11 GMT -5 puzzled said:

We've discussed the twisted meanings of the words "PEACE and LOVE," already, but I found this juicy tidbit of info regarding the Peace Sign that is typically used to denote the word in symbol. (I have transcribed from a pdf, but you will have to imagine the peace sign symbol, as I don't have it available in this font.)


Regarding the 'Peace Sign' in "Black Runa" by Stephen Flowers



...Actually, it is an example of the use of a group's internal symbolism against itself. In the esoteric runology of the early 20th century, chiefly originated by Guido von List and his followers, the sign indicated "death." This is in contrast to the sign which meant "life." This symbolism quickly spread to popular use in the early 20th century Germany, so that even certain newspapers began to print the dates of a person's birth and death prefixed by the signs of life and death respectively. Some papers continue the practice to this date. It is well established that these symbols essentially stood for life and death. Perhaps it should be noted that Right Wing organizations have also taken up the "life rune" as a symbol, e.g. on the masthead of the National Vanguard.

The Russians, as the Red Army advanced toward Berlin, distributed leaflets urging the Germans to give up the fight, telling them that the war was lost and that only death awaited them. These leaflets were decorated with the "peace sign" - in this case a sign of death. In the example below, we see a propaganda poster alerting the German Leftists that Heinrich Himmler (i.e. the SS) was to assume responsibility for internal security in Germany as he had done in various lands the Germans had conquered - wherein massive genocide had been practiced. "Now It's Our Turn!" the poster declares. Note the use of the "death rune" (regular peace sign).

It would seem that the sign was later taken up by Leftists. Doubtless, this was due as much to its mysterious allure (common to runic symbols in general) as to its associations with previous causes.

yes, I've read similar things

I posted this last week: