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Post by skyward on Jan 13, 2009 22:47:32 GMT -5
yes, I've read similar things I posted this last week: Symbols, at times, have been 'assimilated' by cultures/empires. One of the three... must find some peace (or is it bliss?)man,woman, (male/female) united in a circle, peace, bliss, harmony... ;D [shadow=red,left,300]  |  /\  |[/shadow] "1 in 3" Hey Now
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Post by puzzled on Jan 14, 2009 0:12:31 GMT -5
We are faced with a decision as to whether the meaning of symbols exist only in our perception and 'feeling' about them, or if they have an intrinsic meaning unto themselves. There is an argument to be made for both ideas.
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Post by skyward on Jan 14, 2009 0:33:34 GMT -5
We are faced with a decision as to whether the meaning of symbols exist only in our perception and 'feeling' about them, or if they have an intrinsic meaning unto themselves. There is an argument to be made for both ideas. He that hath an ear... "The meaning of symbols exist only in our perception and 'feeling'." It depends on context, of course. You do realize that some symbols were fashioned with a single intent meant to convey a simple meaning and that over time, their meaning might be intentionally 'obfooscated' or debased. Is there really a sinister boogy-man (shadow) lurking behind every symbol?
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Post by puzzled on Jan 14, 2009 1:28:36 GMT -5
I have no vested interest in either belief, so I don't feel the need to support either position. I only state the opposing view so that people have information to make their own decision. In this particular example, most of the information available about the Peace Sign has been rather one-sided - almost a poster child for the Loving Peacenik Hippie Flower Children (stereotypically).
I personally do not feel that there is a boogie man behind every image. On the other hand, many people have a lopsided view of human nature and refuse to acknowledge the darkness among us, and most insistently deny the darkness that hides within themselves.
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Post by puzzled on Jan 15, 2009 21:03:43 GMT -5
I found this interesting photo of Heimdall, Nordic God Aegir's grandson. Nifty hat, huh?
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Post by puzzled on Jan 15, 2009 21:15:08 GMT -5
We are faced with a decision as to whether the meaning of symbols exist only in our perception and 'feeling' about them, or if they have an intrinsic meaning unto themselves. There is an argument to be made for both ideas. He that hath an ear... "The meaning of symbols exist only in our perception and 'feeling'." It depends on context, of course. You do realize that some symbols were fashioned with a single intent meant to convey a simple meaning and that over time, their meaning might be intentionally 'obfooscated' or debased. Is there really a sinister boogy-man (shadow) lurking behind every symbol? If what you say is true - what happens when two groups of people, or even two individuals, perceive a symbol in a completely opposite way? The swastika is a perfect example. Many cultures have used that symbol to represent sacred and holy ideas, and embrace it. When someone of Jewish descent sees it, they have a visceral repulsive response. Those are two very extreme reactions to the same exact symbol - so which one is right? In your scenario that image has no intrinsic meaning, only the feelings that we have toward it are pertinent. If I love the symbol of the swastika as an American Indian, why does someone have the right to deny my use of it then? It is my understanding that Jung's concept of a collective unconscious provides consistently common meanings of symbols that functioned separately from our conscious waking mind. How could there be any consistent definition between divergent people if they had no intrinsic meaning? Could you please elaborate a little more? I'm open to all theories.
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Post by B on Jan 15, 2009 23:43:07 GMT -5
(not a response to the post above) www.alien-earth.org/forum/message.php?page=1&message=29828&mpage=1&showdate=1/15/09(post at 4:50) "you know there is something interesting about the necronomicon .. the science of necronomicon talks about making jumps from one planet to the next and the goal was to reach the sun ..of course this is all from memory and it has been several years since i read it last .. but i am pretty sure that is how it is in the necronomicon the practicioner goal is to reach the sun via hopping each planet and each planet acting as a stargate of sorts ..well the reason that is interesting is because of this: (a Crowley quote)"It was the most ancient tradition of the Atlantean Magicians that they were the survivors of a race inhabiting a country called Lemuria, of which the South Pacific archipelago may be the remains. These Lemurians had, they held, built up a civilization equal, if not superior to their own; but through a misunderstanding of magical law --- some said the 2nd, some the 8th, some the 23rd --- had involved themselves and their land in ruin. Others thought that the Lemurians had succeeded in their magical task, and broken their temple. In any case, it was the secret Lemurian tradition that they themselves represented the survivals of a yet earlier race who lived on ice, and they of yet another who lived in fire, and they again of earlier colonists from Mars. The theory, in fine, was that the aim of man is to attain the Sun, whence, according to one school of cosmology, he was exiled in the cosmic catastrophe which resulted in the formation of Neptune. His task on any given planet was therefore to overturn the laws of Nature on that planet, thus mastering it sufficiently to enable him to make the leap to the next planet inward. Exactly how and in what sense the leap was made remains obscure, even to the heirs of Atlantis."LIBER LI THE LOST CONTINENT by Aleister Crowley so of course when i read crowley here i instantly thought of the necronomicon ... "------------------------------------ Overturning the laws of Nature on the planet? Does that mean chemtrails and Haarp? Crowley was such an idiot. (imo) I hope he meant "overcoming" the laws of nature.
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Post by trutha on Jan 16, 2009 3:29:32 GMT -5
Aleister Crowley was, apparently, a British Intelligence asset (http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr100.html). Intell agencies seem to use occult groups as a cover. "...One of the points that we've tried to make, throughout the course of our discussion of *The Ultimate Evil*, is that, again, the *Satanism* is one of the things that throws people off. The intelligence agencies have *long* used occult groups as a front for activity. For one thing, occult groups exist at the periphery of public scrutiny and therefore are ideal to use as intelligence fronts. In addition to that, because of the unusual activities of occult groups, any suspicious activity on the part of an intelligence agent *using* these groups could be laid simply to the bizarre nature of the group itself. [CN -- also, first amendment protections for "religious" freedom would help shield them from investigation.] Now specifically, vis a vis mind control, many, many of the cults on the scene today are, in fact, mind-control fronts for the U.S. Intelligence and Military communities." - www.theconspiracy.us/9410/0023.html
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Post by puzzled on Jan 16, 2009 6:46:05 GMT -5
Trutha wrote:
"is that, again, the *Satanism* is one of the things that throws people off."
I read the link, but I'm confused. Are they saying that the larger conspiracy and government/cia is involved in satanism - or that satanism is fake and just a cover for a different sinister problem of mind-control? Or a combination of both?
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Post by iameye on Jan 16, 2009 6:56:16 GMT -5
it's a popular fashion statement!
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Post by puzzled on Jan 16, 2009 8:59:27 GMT -5
Which is the fashion statement - horns or fake mustache?
I just found this little quote in an Egyptian Magic papyrus (Leyden Pap):
Noun, great one, lofty one, hail! soul of a ram, soul of the people of the West, hail! [soul of souls, bull] of the night, bull of bulls, son of Nut, open to me, I am the Opener of earth, that came forth from Geb, hail! I, E, E, E, [He, He, He,] (30) Ho, Ho, Ho; I am Anepo, Miri-po-re, Maat
A good example of using these sounds in magical chanting. In another example:
Sitting in an English garden waiting for the sun. If the sun don't come, you get a tan from Standing in the English rain. I am the eggman, they are the eggmen, I am the walrus, goo goo gajoob ga goo goo gajoob.
Expert texpert choking smokers, Don't you think the joker laughs at you? (ho ho ho, he he he, ha ha ha) See how they smile like pigs in a sty, see how they snide. I'm crying.
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Post by trutha on Jan 16, 2009 15:04:06 GMT -5
Trutha wrote:
"is that, again, the *Satanism* is one of the things that throws people off."
I read the link, but I'm confused. Are they saying that the larger conspiracy and government/cia is involved in satanism - or that satanism is fake and just a cover for a different sinister problem of mind-control? Or a combination of both?
I'm still trying to flesh this out myself, but it seems like a combination of both to me.
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Post by iameye on Jan 16, 2009 19:27:22 GMT -5
Which is the fashion statement - horns or fake mustache? I just found this little quote in an Egyptian Magic papyrus (Leyden Pap): Noun, great one, lofty one, hail! soul of a ram, soul of the people of the West, hail! [soul of souls, bull] of the night, bull of bulls, son of Nut, open to me, I am the Opener of earth, that came forth from Geb, hail! I, E, E, E, [He, He, He,] (30) Ho, Ho, Ho; I am Anepo, Miri-po-re, Maat A good example of using these sounds in magical chanting. In another example: Sitting in an English garden waiting for the sun. If the sun don't come, you get a tan from Standing in the English rain. I am the eggman, they are the eggmen, I am the walrus, goo goo gajoob ga goo goo gajoob.Which is the fashion statement - horns or fake mustache? horn, in french is cor apple corps "Sitting in an English garden waiting for the sun. If the sun don't come, you get a tan from Standing in the English rain. I am the eggman, they are the eggmen, I am the walrus," not "a" walrus. the walrus update: geb.....who nellie there: The name was pronounced as such from the Greek period onwards, (formerly erroneously read as Seb) or as Keb. The original Egyptian was "Gebeb"/"Kebeb", meaning probably: 'weak one', perhaps:'lame one'. It was spelled with either initial -g- (all periods), -k-point. The latter initial root consonant occurs once in the Middle Kingdom Coffin Texts, more often in 21st Dynasty mythological papyri as well as in a text from the Ptolemaic tomb of Petosiris at Tuna el-Gebel or was written with initial hard -k-, as e.g. in a 30th Dynasty papyrus text in the Brooklyn Museum dealing with descriptions of and remedies against snakes and their bites. Some Egyptologists, like the Scandinavian Jan Bergman, stated, that Geb was associated with a mythological divine creator-goose who had laid a cosmic egg from which the sun and/or the world had sprung. This is certainly wrong and brought about by a regular spelling of the name Geb with the help of an image of a Whitefronted Goose (Anser albifrons), also called originally geb(b): 'lame one, stumbler' [1]. An alternative old name for this same goose species was trp meaning equally 'walk like a drunk, stumbler'. It is beyond any doubt {witness coloured images of a Nilegoose with opened beak on a mythological papyrus of the 21st Dynasty as well as on temple walls showing the scene of the king standing on a papyrus raft and ritually plucking papyrus for the Theban god Amun(-Re-Kamutef}, that said creator goose, called mythologically 'Ngg-wr' = 'the Great (or Oldest) Honker', appeared solely in the shape of a Nile Goose (=Egyptian Goose = Fox Goose [Alopochen aegyptiacus]), both within texts and vignets. In Underworld Books a diacritic goose-sign (most probably denoting an Anser albifrons) was sometimes depicted on top of the head of an anonymous, standing anthropomorphic deity pointing to his identity. Geb himself was never depicted as a Nile Goose, as later was the great god Amun, called on some New Kingdom stelae:'Amun, the beautiful smn-goose (Nile goose). The only clear pictorial confusion between the hieroglyphs of a Whitefronted Goose (in the normal hieroglyphic spelling of the name Geb, often followed by the additional -b-sign)
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Post by B on Jan 16, 2009 20:03:21 GMT -5
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Post by puzzled on Jan 16, 2009 20:39:48 GMT -5
Another interesting feature about the walrus is the way in which it changes color. It appears pale, almost white, while in the water for sustained periods of time. They turn a pinkish color in warm weather when tiny blood vessels in the skin dilate and circulation increases. Newborn calves are gray to brown in color. The changing color of the walrus reflects its ability to flow into ever changing realities without difficulty.www.sayahda.com/cyc5.html
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Post by B on Jan 16, 2009 21:01:43 GMT -5
The walrus brave has skin of blueWhen skies are fair and clouds are few Its color turns to pink[/b], you'll see For rain or high humidity But when it has an orchid hue, Then you'll know a change is due. (God! I miss the old weather cards! )
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Post by iameye on Jan 16, 2009 21:24:22 GMT -5
The walrus brave has skin of blueWhen skies are fair and clouds are few Its color turns to pink[/b], you'll see For rain or high humidity But when it has an orchid hue, Then you'll know a change is due. (God! I miss the old weather cards! )[/quote] orchard hue? like www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3oa6dWL320Paul or Bill? a clue? who's been giving out guitars ?
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Post by Doc on Jan 16, 2009 21:42:15 GMT -5
I found this interesting photo of Heimdall, Nordic God Aegir's grandson. Nifty hat, huh?
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Post by puzzled on Jan 22, 2009 23:43:09 GMT -5
Yesterday and TodayAker (Akeru, Akerui) [similar phonetically to Eger/Aegir/Agur]The double lion god Symbols: akhet Depiction: Depictions showed Aker as a double-headed lion or two lions sitting back-to-back with the sun and sky appearing between them. The two lions form the Egyptian symbol for the sky, akhet. The lions were named Sef (Yesterday) and Duau (Today). Mythology: The Egyptian believed that Aker, an earth-god, guarded the gates of dawn and sunset through which the sun rose every morning and set every evening. The ancient Egyptians placed statues of Aker at the doors of palaces and tombs to ward off evil spirits and malicious entities. Statues of Aker often were given the heads of men and women, which the ancient Greeks referred to as sphinxes. ablemedia.com/ctcweb/consortium/ancientegyptiangodsaker.html
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Post by puzzled on Jan 23, 2009 3:34:14 GMT -5
Yesterday and Today continued...
The Lost Scriptures of Giza by Jason Breshears Pg 132-35
The original tradition associated with the Sphinx was that it was a Watcher. These angelic beings were of an order of heavenly guardians entrusted with protecting the interests of God on earth, but some of them fell and induced mankind to worship them through their forbidden knowledges as opposed to the Creator. Arabic beliefs seem to be linked to these traditions for the name by which they called the Sphinx was Abu 'l hol, meaning Father of Terror. This epithet alludes to the duty of cherubim to terrify men from entering the holy places consecrated to God. The Arabic title derives from the Egyptian word for guardian (hu).
The word sphinx is not at all an Egyptian word but was the Grecian title given to the monument that was in itself based off of a false etymology in reference to an old story about the statue strangling a man for not being able to answer a riddle. These people thought the status bestowed secrets of great importance to travelers in the forms of riddles, which are images of truth artistically concealed within puns, allegories and metaphors. Thus, the Greeks of later times believed the meaning of the Sphinx was "throttler," when in fact, the word actually means to bind closely together. This meaning identifies the Sphinx as a Watcher, for in occult writings based off of ancient traditions the Watcher guardian was to protect portals "...that link worlds together." [Come Together...also discussed in the Seth thread]
In the Egyptian Book of the Dead are torturous guardians of portals in the world of the dead that attempt to keep disembodied spirits from passing through into the Other World. Such protectors were used in Egypt's temple complexes also and were called Aker lions, which were sphinxes placed before doors and gates. The Aker statues were "keepers who open and shut the gates," into the worlds of "yesterday, today and tomorrow." Remarkably, the ancient title of the Sphinx given by Egyptians was Aker because it was believed by them that the gigantic statue stood atop the underworld which was also called Akar. Gerald Massey in his Ancient Egypt Light of the World wrote that the Sphinx protected the secret of earth's beginning from the Abyss (the Deep) and that it was carved "...out of the rock at the center of the earth to commemorate that sacred place of creation."
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Jan 23, 2009 8:49:09 GMT -5
Yesterday and TodayAker (Akeru, Akerui) [similar phonetically to Eger/Aegir/Agur]The double lion god Symbols: akhet Depiction: Depictions showed Aker as a double-headed lion or two lions sitting back-to-back with the sun and sky appearing between them. The two lions form the Egyptian symbol for the sky, akhet. The lions were named Sef (Yesterday) and Duau (Today). Mythology: The Egyptian believed that Aker, an earth-god, guarded the gates of dawn and sunset through which the sun rose every morning and set every evening. The ancient Egyptians placed statues of Aker at the doors of palaces and tombs to ward off evil spirits and malicious entities. Statues of Aker often were given the heads of men and women, which the ancient Greeks referred to as sphinxes. ablemedia.com/ctcweb/consortium/ancientegyptiangodsaker.html As Always, good stuff, puzz. And speaking of the gates of dawn... Piper At the Gates of Dawn just happens to be the name of the Pink Floyd album that contains Lucifer Sam. Yet another connection.
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Post by puzzled on Jan 23, 2009 13:33:22 GMT -5
Thanks for that reminder P(D)enny. I just finally got around to studying some of the PF lyrics - many more to go.
I listened to the song "What do you want from me" and was shocked how similar it was to all their other music - same song new lyrics pretty much. The seem to like their formula.
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Post by B on Jan 24, 2009 10:32:14 GMT -5
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Post by puzzled on Jan 24, 2009 13:18:54 GMT -5
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Post by B on Jan 24, 2009 15:46:49 GMT -5
"The Egyptian believed that Aker, an earth-god, guarded the gates of dawn and sunset...."
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