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Post by puzzled on Nov 9, 2009 15:36:20 GMT -5
Today I am reading "Book of Solomon's Magick" by Poke Runyon. The crosshairs or circle with a cross inside as seen next to JPM in the Help! film (I hope I'm remembering right) is identified as Number 9 in the magickal alphabet on page 194. Sorry, it is a pdf and I can't get a copy of the chart.
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Nov 9, 2009 16:35:24 GMT -5
Today I am reading "Book of Solomon's Magick" by Poke Runyon. The crosshairs or circle with a cross inside as seen next to JPM in the Help! film (I hope I'm remembering right) is identified as Number 9 in the magickal alphabet on page 194. Sorry, it is a pdf and I can't get a copy of the chart. That's really interesting. Is this the chart you were referring to, puzz?
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Post by puzzled on Nov 9, 2009 17:06:41 GMT -5
Yes, that is the one. It says 9 is the numerical value of that symbol. (I post in fear of being the cause of Jude's head exploding from one more "magickal" post)
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Post by 8749 on Nov 9, 2009 17:21:48 GMT -5
Yes, that is the one. It says 9 is the numerical value of that symbol. (I post in fear of being the cause of Jude's head exploding from one more "magickal" post) ;D The symbol is very similar to The Pentacle of Solomon that I mentioned from the book, Gypsy Magic by Patrinella Cooper.
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Post by puzzled on Nov 10, 2009 13:16:38 GMT -5
Probably unrelated, but since the Zodiac Killer also used the crosshairs sign, maybe there is a link somewhere. Anyway, I was reading the story about the kidnapped child Johnny Gosch this morning, and the photo that his mother received showing a young boy tied up and gagged shows a brand on his shoulder. It is the same cross inside a circle - a burned brand onto a kidnapped child sex slave?
Whatever it means, it certainly seems to be used by less than friendly people?
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Post by 8749 on Nov 10, 2009 17:24:29 GMT -5
Take a look at the "Paul is Dead - The Rotten Apple 78" video that Letter B posted yesterday on The Rotten Apple thread. At 2:28 is the square in a circle, puzzled. And at 2:30-2:31 is the Gypsy Pentacle of Solomon.
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Post by B on Nov 10, 2009 17:57:08 GMT -5
Puzzled did the article about Johnny Gosch actually show the picture of the brand? If so, could you post it, or a link? (Thanks)
8749 wrote: Take a look at the "Paul is Dead - The Rotten Apple 78" video that Letter B posted yesterday on The Rotten Apple thread. At 2:28 is the square in a circle, puzzled. And at 2:30-2:31 is the Gypsy Pentacle of Solomon.
For ease of reference:
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Nov 10, 2009 18:56:27 GMT -5
Puzzled did the article about Johnny Gosch actually show the picture of the brand? If so, could you post it, or a link? (Thanks) 8749 wrote: Take a look at the "Paul is Dead - The Rotten Apple 78" video that Letter B posted yesterday on The Rotten Apple thread. At 2:28 is the square in a circle, puzzled. And at 2:30-2:31 is the Gypsy Pentacle of Solomon. For ease of reference: Here you go:
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Post by puzzled on Nov 11, 2009 15:26:58 GMT -5
Thanks for adding that. Now I just need to find a translation Does it say with the squared circle's "failure" makes it a key also? Ok, I know this is not the right place for this picture, but I just came across it on another website and the Shirley Temple connection made it interesting to me: Supposedly taken at Bohemian Grove?
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Post by puzzled on Nov 11, 2009 15:29:29 GMT -5
LetterB asked:
Puzzled did the article about Johnny Gosch actually show the picture of the brand? If so, could you post it, or a link? (Thanks)
The reason I didn't post it was that it was so disturbing, it didn't seem appropriate. The child is tied-up and gagged on a bed. I will try to track down the image and post a link for you though so you can see it. After reading more about it, some claim the brand was added to the photo by whoever left it, which still makes no sense.
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Nov 11, 2009 15:59:16 GMT -5
LetterB asked: Puzzled did the article about Johnny Gosch actually show the picture of the brand? If so, could you post it, or a link? (Thanks) The reason I didn't post it was that it was so disturbing, it didn't seem appropriate. The child is tied-up and gagged on a bed. I will try to track down the image and post a link for you though so you can see it. After reading more about it, some claim the brand was added to the photo by whoever left it, which still makes no sense. There are some versions of the photo where the brand is somewhat clear, and some versions where the brand doesn't appear to be there. Observe: Both of the samples above come from different versions of the same photo. So, either Johnny Gosch was actually branded with the symbol, or *somebody* just wants us to think that he was. It's important either way, as it's the symbol we're interested in, being used in a way less than savory manner.
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Post by puzzled on Nov 11, 2009 16:19:54 GMT -5
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Post by puzzled on Nov 11, 2009 16:25:32 GMT -5
Well shoot P(D), you beat me to it. I had to walk my dog!
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Post by B on Nov 11, 2009 16:49:30 GMT -5
Thanks for posting the picture, puzzled and p(d)enny. I just wanted to see it for myself. I thought it might, in some way, relate to the tatoo that the person who plays iamaphoney in the videos has, but it doesn't seem to.
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Post by puzzled on Nov 11, 2009 19:06:17 GMT -5
This page that RA has used several times is apparently a cipher. Are they suggesting that we use this cipher to de-cipher something of the clues?
Don't I recall a similar grid found on something in the infamous briefcase? Maybe on the inside sleeve of the record album?
ALW Cipher According to Allen Greenfield, Carol Smith discovered the ALW Cipher, which she later called "English Qaballa", in 1974.[14] Thelemite James Lees says he discovered it independently on November 26, 1976.[15] Carol Smith published the cipher and the reasoning behind it before anyone else, in The New Equinox / British Journal of Magick.[16] Her presentation was later summarized by Jake Stratton-Kent in The Equinox: British Journal of Thelema.[17] Since then other self-published authors have discussed the system, referring to it as New Aeon English Qabala.[18] The order & value of the letters in the ALW Cipher are derived from the grid superimposed on one of the pages of manuscript of Liber AL on which this verse appears (sheet 16 of Chapter III). Also appearing on this page are a diagonal line and a circled cross. Thelemites believe the book of the law should ideally only be printed in Crowley's hand-written version, because the books says there are messages in the chance shapes Crowley's handwriting made, or any shapes he adds to the pages.[19] Believers in New Aeon English Qabalah, following the ideas explained by Carol Smith, feel that reading any diagonal across the square one gets the order of the English alphabet to be used in the English Qabala. Whichever diagonal is read the order of the letters is obtained.[19] As there are ten squares per column, this method is equivalent to taking every eleventh letter of the alphabet as the order and then assigning them sequential values: A=1 L=2 W=3 H=4 S=5 D=6 O=7 Z=8 K=9 V=10 G=11 R=12 C=13 N=14 Y=15 J=16 U=17 F=18 Q=19 B=20 M=21 X=22 I=23 T=24 E=25 P=26 In the original handwritten text, the string of letters and numbers is divided into two lines, the first ending with "Y" and the second beginning with "X". Stratton-Kent thought that in the manuscript the 'X' at the beginning of line two looked like a multiplication symbol, so he added each line's values together and multiplied them; 17x11=187, the numerical value of the phrase "English alphabet", which he felt confirmed the correctness of the system.[20] Members of the Hermetic Alchemical Order of the QBLH began to work with the basic cipher. Other Thelemic groups have also adopted it. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Qabalah
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Post by puzzled on Nov 11, 2009 19:31:39 GMT -5
Here is the handwritten transcription:
"This book shall be translated into all tongues: but always with the original in the writing of the Beast; for in the chance shape of the letters and their position to one another: in these are mysteries that no Beast shall divine. Let him not seek to try: but one cometh after him, whence I say not, who shall discover the Key of it all. Then this line drawn is a key: then this circle squared in its failure is a key also. And Abrahadabra. It shall be his child & that strangely. Let him not seek after this; for thereby alone can he fall from it."
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Post by puzzled on Nov 11, 2009 19:43:20 GMT -5
The symbol of the crosshairs represents number 9. The crosshairs, or squared circle, in the Crowley Grid is apparently a cipher. Can the cipher be used on the song Number 9? It isn't like the lyrics make much sense as they stand.
[Bottle of Claret for you if I had realized…
Well, do it next time.
I forgot about it, George, I'm sorry. Will you forgive me?
Yes.]
Number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9, number
Then there's this Welsh Rarebit wearing some brown underpants About the shortage of grain in Hertfordshire Everyone of them knew that as time went by They'd get a little bit older and a litter slower but It's all the same thing, in this case manufactured by someone who's always Umpteen your father's giving it diddly-i-dee District was leaving, intended to pay for
Number 9, number 9
Who's to know? Who was to know?
Number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9
I sustained nothing worse than Also for example Whatever you're doing A business deal falls through I informed him on the third night When fortune gives
Number 9, number 9, number 9
People ride, people ride Ride, ride, ride, ride, ride Ride! Ride!
9, number 9, number 9, number 9
I've missed all of that It makes me a few days late Compared with, like, wow! And weird stuff like that Taking our sides sometimes Floral bark Rouge doctors have brought this specimen
I have nobody's short-cuts, aha…
9, number 9
With the situation
They are standing still
The plan, the telegram
Ooh ooh
Number 9, number
Ooh
A man without terrors from beard to false As the headmaster reported to me My son he really can try as they do to find function Tell what he was saying, and his voice was low and his hive high And his eyes were low
Alright!
Number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9
So the wife called me and we'd better go to see a surgeon Or whatever to price it… yellow underclothes So, any road, we went to see the dentist instead Who gave her a pair of teeth which wasn't any good at all So I said I'd marry, join the fucking navy and went to sea
In my broken chair, my wings are broken and so is my hair I'm not in the mood for whirling
Um da Aaah
How? Dogs for dogging, hands for clapping Birds for birding and fish for fishing Them for themming and when for whimming
Only to find the night-watchman Unaware of his presence in the building
Onion soup
Number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9
Industrial output Financial imbalance
Thrusting it between his shoulder blades
The Watusi The twist
Eldorado
Take this brother, may it serve you well
Maybe it's nothing Aaah Maybe it's nothing What? What? Oh
Maybe even then Impervious in London Could be difficult thing It's quick like rush for peace is Because it's so much It was like being naked
If you became naked
I'm sorry, but I am horrible at figuring out ciphers. It just isn't my bag, but I thought maybe someone else would like to play with the idea?
Or maybe it connects to Sgt. Pepper, since everyone keeps saying that is the Rosetta Stone for the Beatles?
I'm just throwing out ideas. Maybe something will *ping* with someone else? I do have a pdf regarding the mathematics of codes and ciphers if anyone would like to read it. The math is over my head. It does give some history regarding cryptography as well.
(If anyone wants a copy, please PM an email address that I can send it to)
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Nov 12, 2009 10:50:11 GMT -5
The symbol of the crosshairs represents number 9. The crosshairs, or squared circle, in the Crowley Grid is apparently a cipher. Can the cipher be used on the song Number 9? It isn't like the lyrics make much sense as they stand. [Bottle of Claret for you if I had realized… Well, do it next time. I forgot about it, George, I'm sorry. Will you forgive me? Yes.] Number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9, number Then there's this Welsh Rarebit wearing some brown underpants About the shortage of grain in Hertfordshire Everyone of them knew that as time went by They'd get a little bit older and a litter slower but It's all the same thing, in this case manufactured by someone who's always Umpteen your father's giving it diddly-i-dee District was leaving, intended to pay for Number 9, number 9 Who's to know? Who was to know? Number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9 I sustained nothing worse than Also for example Whatever you're doing A business deal falls through I informed him on the third night When fortune gives Number 9, number 9, number 9 People ride, people ride Ride, ride, ride, ride, ride Ride! Ride! 9, number 9, number 9, number 9 I've missed all of that It makes me a few days late Compared with, like, wow! And weird stuff like that Taking our sides sometimes Floral bark Rouge doctors have brought this specimen I have nobody's short-cuts, aha… 9, number 9 With the situation They are standing still The plan, the telegram Ooh ooh Number 9, number Ooh A man without terrors from beard to false As the headmaster reported to me My son he really can try as they do to find function Tell what he was saying, and his voice was low and his hive high And his eyes were low Alright! Number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9 So the wife called me and we'd better go to see a surgeon Or whatever to price it… yellow underclothes So, any road, we went to see the dentist instead Who gave her a pair of teeth which wasn't any good at all So I said I'd marry, join the fucking navy and went to sea In my broken chair, my wings are broken and so is my hair I'm not in the mood for whirling Um da Aaah How? Dogs for dogging, hands for clapping Birds for birding and fish for fishing Them for themming and when for whimming Only to find the night-watchman Unaware of his presence in the building Onion soup Number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9, number 9 Industrial output Financial imbalance Thrusting it between his shoulder blades The Watusi The twist Eldorado Take this brother, may it serve you well Maybe it's nothing Aaah Maybe it's nothing What? What? Oh Maybe even then Impervious in London Could be difficult thing It's quick like rush for peace is Because it's so much It was like being naked If you became naked I'm sorry, but I am horrible at figuring out ciphers. It just isn't my bag, but I thought maybe someone else would like to play with the idea? Or maybe it connects to Sgt. Pepper, since everyone keeps saying that is the Rosetta Stone for the Beatles? I'm just throwing out ideas. Maybe something will *ping* with someone else? I do have a pdf regarding the mathematics of codes and ciphers if anyone would like to read it. The math is over my head. It does give some history regarding cryptography as well. (If anyone wants a copy, please PM an email address that I can send it to)I don't have time at the moment (or the math skills ) to try this cipher on Revolution 9, but I fully support the idea that *someone* should have a go at it.
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Post by Jude on Nov 12, 2009 11:26:53 GMT -5
Yes, that is the one. It says 9 is the numerical value of that symbol. (I post in fear of being the cause of Jude's head exploding from one more "magickal" post) Nah, it'd take something far worse than that to get my head exploding. Now, say for instance if 8479 would suddenly try to relate the No. 9/Earth symbol to something completely random she picked up in a book about gypsies... The symbol is very similar to The Pentacle of Solomon that I mentioned from the book, Gypsy Magic by Patrinella Cooper.
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Nov 12, 2009 12:21:15 GMT -5
Yes, that is the one. It says 9 is the numerical value of that symbol. (I post in fear of being the cause of Jude's head exploding from one more "magickal" post) Nah, it'd take something far worse than that to get my head exploding. Now, say for instance if 8479 would suddenly try to relate the No. 9/Earth symbol to something completely random she picked up in a book about gypsies... The symbol is very similar to The Pentacle of Solomon that I mentioned from the book, Gypsy Magic by Patrinella Cooper.
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Post by puzzled on Nov 12, 2009 14:09:00 GMT -5
Where's an ex-Satanist when you need one?
As I have time I will attempt to read more about the cipher, but I've always left the numbers to someone else to figure out. Hey - Jarv!! Help!
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Post by 8749 on Nov 12, 2009 16:49:55 GMT -5
Take a look at the "Paul is Dead - The Rotten Apple 78" video that Letter B posted yesterday on The Rotten Apple thread. At 2:28 is the square in a circle, puzzled. And at 2:30-2:31 is the Gypsy Pentacle of Solomon. I made a mistake. I should have said the plus or cross in the circle. My bad, as they say. Another instance of the plus in the circle can be found on the cover of Reel Music. Check the Reel Music thread in the Related Pix, Multimedia & Links section of September 18, 2008. JoJo uploaded a photo of the cover. On the billboard to the right, where it has The Beatles' names, above Paul's name where it should say "and", it looks like a "A" followed by a circle with an X in it. Curiouser and curiouser.
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Post by puzzled on Nov 12, 2009 17:00:31 GMT -5
8749 - Is this the picture you are referring to? I am having trouble finding the symbol? Can you give me another hint where to look?
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Post by 8749 on Nov 12, 2009 17:11:29 GMT -5
It's on the billboard that says in part, "Tonight The Beatles". It has the partial names of John, George, and Ringo and the next line has an A followed by an X in a circle above the partial name of Paul. Check: www.fab4collectibles.com/ReelMusicLpCover.jpgand click the full-size image. You're going to have to squint, but it's there.
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Post by puzzled on Nov 13, 2009 12:27:13 GMT -5
I haven't read this entire website, but thought this quote was interesting: The NOX symbol given within the grid is the location of the 4th murder of Jack the Ripper in Whitechapel, London in 1888. Most of the words connected by lines on the page correspond to church locations within the district of Whitechapel in 1888. They all lie in proximity to a murder location. That Aleister Crowley was Jack the Ripper is beyond doubt. The student should read and study the raw data provided in Appendix A: Aleister Crowley a.k.a., Jack the Ripper. All may be well assured that the 'circle' has now been 'squared in its failure'.bookoflaw276.tripod.com/chapter2.htmlThey are connecting the usage of this symbol to murder, just as it was with the Zodiac Killer. What's the connection?
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