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Post by puzzled on Dec 11, 2008 14:59:41 GMT -5
Here Lilith es equated to the OWL, as in Bohemian Grove? Everyone always calls that statue Moloch, but we might see a different story now that we have fleshed this out more: Lilith (Heb.). By Jewish tradition a demon who was the first wife of Adam, before Eve was created: she is supposed to have a fatal influence on mothers and newly-born infants. LIL is night, and LILITH is also the owl: and in mediaeval works is a synonym of Lamia or female demon. COLLATION OF THEOSOPHICAL GLOSSARIES www.theosophy-nw.org/theosnw/ctg/l-ln.htm
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Dec 11, 2008 15:03:20 GMT -5
Is there a member here from England? While searching with these same words, I came across this story with a reference to Tunbridge Wells, and mentions a road A21. I don't know the area, but I did a search to see if the Dewsbury Road came up with that reference, and it does. Could there be a connection to this story and the Dewsbury Road reference?: In England, during the 1300’s this vampire maiden was to be found in the Home Counties and her name, the ’Maid of Kent’ pins her down as being, according to John Ferguson, the Countess of Salisbury who, at a summer ball in Calais was said to have let slip her Garter, which King Edward III retrieved with haste and, lifting the accoutrement into the air, pronounced "Honi Soit Qui Mal Y Pense". As to her wandering around near Tunbridge Wells when the unfortunate knight-in-armour (from her point of view an early attempt at perfecting the art of tinning fresh meat) met her, she like him was returning from the Calais festivities when he must have caught up with her on the leafy track that has now become the famous A21. We will catch up with them in a minute. Scholars once dismissed Professor Margaret Murray for several things, one being that the Garter incident elicited an over-reaction from Edward if the Garter was of no ritual significance. But however scholars may dismiss the incident, the question will not go away. This is all history pertaining to the Order of the Garter, which the royal family head up. I also saw this little mention, and it makes me think of "Why don't we do it in the road": Love on a Four Lane BlacktopThe element of translucence and light that is attributed to fairies can also be found in the stories relating to the shamans and kings of Eldorado in South America where these individuals are also referred to as the ’ Shining Ones’ which is a common epithet, as we know, for the Elves of Eurasia. And that brings us back around to the "Shining" connection, with the Shining Ones, who had all these miraculous abilities. www.bibliotecapleyades.net/dragons/esp_sociopol_dragoncourt02_04.htmLots to digest, here. This... "The element of translucence and light that is attributed to fairies can also be found in the stories relating to the shamans and kings of Eldorado in South America where these individuals are also referred to as the ’Shining Ones’ which is a common epithet, as we know, for the Elves of Eurasia."...would help to explain why George says " Eldorado" in Revolution 9.
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Post by puzzled on Dec 11, 2008 15:06:51 GMT -5
wisdomsgoldenrod.org/publications/kdamiani/kdsop112.pdfIn the Middle East, the goddess Astarte was called Lilith, meaning the lily. The lily was sacred to Astarte. Lilith may come from the Sumero-Babylonian lilu, a lotus. [Note* Remember "LILU," the Supreme Being from the movie the "Fifth Element?"] The lily symbolized the miraculous impregnation of the virgin Goddess. (Walker 1988, 428, entry "lily") The lotus has been the symbol of the female generative power. The lotus is the creative matrix of Nature, the symbol of the archetypal feminine that gave birth to the sun god as Lotus Goddess and swallowed him again in a cycle of death and rebirth. The name Lilith is derived from the lilu, or lotus. She was most likely the same as India's Mother Kali, to whom the lotus was also sacred. In fact, Kali was one of Lilith's other names. Again, I refer you back to the Kali/HELP! references.
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Dec 11, 2008 15:20:41 GMT -5
wisdomsgoldenrod.org/publications/kdamiani/kdsop112.pdfIn the Middle East, the goddess Astarte was called Lilith, meaning the lily. The lily was sacred to Astarte. Lilith may come from the Sumero-Babylonian lilu, a lotus. [Note* Remember "LILU," the Supreme Being from the movie the "Fifth Element?"] The lily symbolized the miraculous impregnation of the virgin Goddess. (Walker 1988, 428, entry "lily") The lotus has been the symbol of the female generative power. The lotus is the creative matrix of Nature, the symbol of the archetypal feminine that gave birth to the sun god as Lotus Goddess and swallowed him again in a cycle of death and rebirth. The name Lilith is derived from the lilu, or lotus. She was most likely the same as India's Mother Kali, to whom the lotus was also sacred. In fact, Kali was one of Lilith's other names. Again, I refer you back to the Kali/HELP! references. Puzzled wrote: "The lotus is the creative matrix of Nature, the symbol of the archetypal feminine that gave birth to the sun god as Lotus Goddess and swallowed him again in a cycle of death and rebirth. The name Lilith is derived from the lilu, or lotus."This may be the single most important sentence on this entire site. Super well done, Puzzled!!!!!!!!!!!As I said last week, Paul/Faul is the Sun God. And now we know why, exactly, he's been nudging us towards the Lily all this time.
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Post by puzzled on Dec 11, 2008 15:36:17 GMT -5
There is a sound called a "Lily Wave" which is possibly off-topic, but as it has to do with sound, which has to do with music and singing, I thought it might still fit in somewhere.
The recent CD includes the Triad Wave, called that way because it comes in rhythms of Threes, was developed by Brenda Williams. Technically, this particular pattern is called the Lily-Wave, since John Lily discovered that the sound pattern wave of the dolphins is found elsewhere in nature - in birds' song, the way wind moves. Brenda Williams discovered it as the space between sounds, basically through close observation of patterns of nature and developed it for her own healing from cancer. She found that with it, she naturally "sings" herself back to health. She described her process to me and then we collaborated. She made an audio voice recording in an old shaman way and so the Lily-Wave is now embedded in the molecular frequency of water.
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Post by puzzled on Dec 11, 2008 15:39:34 GMT -5
wisdomsgoldenrod.org/publications/kdamiani/kdsop112.pdfIn the Middle East, the goddess Astarte was called Lilith, meaning the lily. The lily was sacred to Astarte. Lilith may come from the Sumero-Babylonian lilu, a lotus. [Note* Remember "LILU," the Supreme Being from the movie the "Fifth Element?"] The lily symbolized the miraculous impregnation of the virgin Goddess. (Walker 1988, 428, entry "lily") The lotus has been the symbol of the female generative power. The lotus is the creative matrix of Nature, the symbol of the archetypal feminine that gave birth to the sun god as Lotus Goddess and swallowed him again in a cycle of death and rebirth. The name Lilith is derived from the lilu, or lotus. She was most likely the same as India's Mother Kali, to whom the lotus was also sacred. In fact, Kali was one of Lilith's other names. Again, I refer you back to the Kali/HELP! references. Puzzled wrote: "The lotus is the creative matrix of Nature, the symbol of the archetypal feminine that gave birth to the sun god as Lotus Goddess and swallowed him again in a cycle of death and rebirth. The name Lilith is derived from the lilu, or lotus."This may be the single most important sentence on this entire site. Super well done, Puzzled!!!!!!!!!!!As I said last week, Paul/Faul is the Sun God. And now we know why, exactly, he's been nudging us towards the Lily all this time. That is high praise P(D)enny, thanks. Of course without all the foundational work, I wouldn't have had anywhere to make a connection to all this other stuff. And I agree, it sure seems as though all of this symbolism is pointing to the same place, and I think that speaks volumes for our conclusions.
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Post by puzzled on Dec 11, 2008 15:48:07 GMT -5
The Egyptian scarabaeus beetle was the symbol of the god Khepera, a solar deity, said to roll the ball of the sun across the heavens as the beetles roll their balls of dung across the ground. Egyptians believed that these balls of dung contained the fertilized eggs from which the next generation would hatch, and therefore took the scarab as a symbol for the self-regenerative nature of the sun god. In one version of the creation myth of ancient Egypt, a lotus flower [or LILY] rose out of the primeval waters of Nun, the infinite ocean of chaos. The petals parted [making the bent-back tulip, or Fleur de Lys] to reveal a scarab beetle. The scarab then transformed itself into a boy, who wept. His tears then became humankind.The sacred beetles were depicted on all kinds of amulets and seals. Carved scarabs replaced hearts within mummies. Including a scarab in the tomb was supposed to ensure the rebirth of the deceased in the afterlife. To this day, Egyptian and Sudanese women believe that the dried and powdered beetles, ingested in water, act as conception charms. www.shira.net/symbols.htmSo the Beatles were born out of the Lily. And here is more about the Lotus (LILY). Now I finally understand why you always see images of Mary standing on the rock or mound! The lotus flower appeared in legends originating both from India and from ancient Egypt. Here, on this page, I'll focus on its appearance in ancient Egyptian religion. The lotus flower played a prominent role in the version of the creation story that originated in Heliopolis. Before the universe came into being, there was an infinite ocean of inert water which constituted the primeval being named Nun. Out of Nun emerged a lotus flower, together with a single mound of dry land. The lotus blossoms opened, and out stepped the self-created sun god, Atum, as a child. (See the entry for Utchat for a continuation of this story.) A slightly different version of the creation story originated in Hermopolis. In that version, the sun god who formed himself from the chaos of Nun and emerged from the lotus petals was Ra. His history went on to say that the petals of the lotus blossom enfolded him when he returned to it each night. The lotus is a flower which opens and closes each day. The lotus flower has been featured extensively throughout the art of ancient Egypt. In various works of art, you may see it held in the hand of a god or human, serving as a border to outline a section of the artwork, unfolding to reveal various gods or humans, and many other depictions. In the Near East (Mesopotamia), the lotus was the flower of Lilith, the Sumero-Babylonian goddess that Jews claimed was Adam's first wife. One more: In the hieroglyphics of ancient Egypt, the phoenix was known as the benu. This word, benu, means "to rise in brilliance". In one version of the creation myth, Ra rose in the shape of a phoenix from the primordial ocean of Nun and landed on a single mound of dry land, then let the sun's rays shine forth from himself. Ok, I think I'm starting to be redundant, so I'm going to give it a rest and see what others can find.
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Post by puzzled on Dec 11, 2008 16:29:50 GMT -5
I'm sorry this is a long and rambling thread. I honestly didn't have any predetermined idea when I started as to what I would find, so I have just been throwing out anything that I thought might be related. I also wanted to wait for others to mull it over and see if I am on the right track here. Maybe we can all come up with a more cohesive theory now that it's all in one place? Or at least stand back and see how it all morphs together.
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Post by puzzled on Dec 11, 2008 20:03:44 GMT -5
Egypt During the New Kingdom, the cult of the sun god Ra became increasingly important until it evolved into the uncompromising monotheism of Pharaoh Akhenaten (Amenhotep IV, 1364-1347 B.C.). According to the cult, Ra created himself from a primeval mound in the shape of a pyramid and then created all other gods. Thus, Ra was not only the sun god, he was also the universe, having created himself from himself. Ra was invoked as Aten or the Great Disc that illuminated the world of the living and the dead.
The effect of these doctrines can be seen in the sun worship of Pharaoh Akhenaten, who became an uncompromising monotheist. Aldred has speculated that monotheism was Akhenaten's own idea, the result of regarding Aten as a self-created heavenly king whose son, the pharaoh, was also unique. Akhenaten made Aten the supreme state god, symbolized as a rayed disk with each sunbeam ending in a ministering hand.
Is this why we see a hand above Paul's head?
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Post by iameye on Dec 11, 2008 21:28:49 GMT -5
more lillies "The Fleur-de-lis Cross is a cross adorned with lily petals at the arm-ends, and is very similar to the Fleurie Cross and the Patonce Cross with liliform ends. Not only do the arm-ends represent flowers, but they also have the appearance of a barbed fighting spear. Therefore these crosses are used mainly in heraldry, especially in France. Although lis is French for lily, the Fleur-de-lis Cross should not be confused with the Lily Cross, which is a cross emblazoned with one or more white trumpet-shaped arum lilies, used for Easter or funeral decoration. Madonna Lily The Lily in Christian art is a well known symbol of chastity, innocence and purity. It began appearing in religious art of Annunciation scenes in the late 14th century. (The Archangel Gabriel and Mary are sometimes shown holding a Lily.) With its pure, immaculate white petals, it is also known as the Madonna Lily. In addition to the lily, Mary is also associated with the rose "I am the Rose of Sharon, a lily of the valleys"1 (See also Rose of Sharon Cross). After the Protestant Reformation, in an attempt to focus more on Jesus and less on His Mother, the lily and also the Rose of Sharon became popular symbols for Christ. The fleur-de-lis symbol is a stylized lily and has been a symbol of French royalty since the 11th century. Indeed, the English king Edward III incorporated the symbol on his coat of arms to emphasize his claim to the French crown. The symbol became less prominent in France after the French Revolution and was dropped by the English monarchy in 1801. It retained its image as a regal symbol, however, becoming popular in heraldry. Another name is Gaelic Cross, although that title is more commonly used to describe the Celtic Cross. More recently, the Fleur-de-lis Cross has been adopted by the life-is-dark, neo-Goth subculture. It is known as the Gothic Cross and often worn satirically, accompanying grim black attire. Both 'Lily' and 'Fleur-de-lis' sound a bit too antiquated for some people and the 'New-Age' name is Lotus Cross. I n both the Fleur-de-lis Cross and the Fleurie Cross, the three petals represent faith, wisdom and chivalry when used in heraldry, and the Trinity when used as a Christian Cross. I was a sailor first
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Post by puzzled on Dec 11, 2008 21:46:03 GMT -5
I can't stop myself.
I thought I could look up info regarding lotus in some Egyptian references, since we now know it is the equivalent of LILY.
Book of the dead - Budge (no link as I have my own copy, but easily found online if desired)
The dead person holding a lotus indicates them the deceased holding his soul in his arms.
Nefer-Tmu was the son either of Sekhet or Bast, and he personified some form of the sun's heat. He is usually depicted in the form of a man, with a cluster of lotus flowers upon his head, but sometimes he has the head of a lion; in the little faïence figures of him which are so common, he stands upon the back of a lion.[1] He no doubt represents the sun-god in the legend which made him to burst forth from a lotus, for in the pyramid of Unas the king is said to xaa em, Nefer-Tmu em sessen er sert Ra Rise like Nefer-Tmu from the lotus (lily) to the nostrils of Ra," and to "come forth on the horizon every day.
The Nile is depicted in the form of a man, who wears upon his head a clump of papyrus or lotus flowers; his breasts are those of a woman, indicating fertility. Lanzone reproduces an interesting scene in which the north and south Nile gods are tying a papyrus and a lotus stalk around the emblem of union to indicate the unity of Upper and Lower Egypt, and this emblem is found cut upon the thrones of the kings of Egypt to indicate their sovereignty over the regions traversed by the South and North Niles.
The Egyptian Heaven and Hell - Budge
The transformation of the dead Sun-god into the living Khepera having been effected, twelve goddesses step forward when he emerges from the serpent, and tow the great god into the sky, and lead him along the ways of the upper sky. "They bring with them the soft winds and breezes which accompany the dawn, and guide the god to SHU," who is the personification of the atmosphere and of whatever is in the vault of heaven. Of this god are seen only the head and arms, and when the Beetle of Khepera comes to him, he receives him, and places the newly-born Sun-god in the opening in the centre of the semi-circular wall which ends this vestibule of the world of light, where he is seen by the people on earth in the form of a disk. This disk either represents a transformation of the Sun-god effected by Shu, or the celestial ball containing the germs of life, of which the type on earth is the ball of eggs which the sacred beetle is seen rolling along the ground.
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Post by puzzled on Dec 11, 2008 22:25:42 GMT -5
Egyptian Myth and Legend by Donald Mackenzie
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Khepera is depicted in beetle form, holding the sun disk between his two fore legs. To the primitive Egyptians the winged beetle was a sacred insect. Its association with the resurrected sun is explained by Wiedemann as follows: "The female (Ateuchus sacer) lays her eggs in a cake of dung, rolls this in the dust and makes it smooth and round so that it will keep moist and serve as food for her young; and finally she deposits it in a hole which she has scooped out in the ground; and covers it with earth. This habit had not escaped the observation of the Egyptians, although they failed to understand it, for scientific knowledge of natural history was very slight among all peoples of antiquity. The Egyptians supposed the Scarabæus to be male, and that it was itself born anew from the egg which it alone had made, and thus lived an eternal life. . .."
The Scarabæus became a symbol of the resurrection and the rising sun. The dawn god raised up the solar disk as the beetle raised up the ball containing its eggs ere it set it a−rolling. Similarly souls were raised from death to life eternal.
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At Khenen−su lived the Phoenix the "Great Bennu". It resembled an eagle, and had feathers of red and golden colour. Some authorities identify this mythical bird with the planet Venus, which, as the morning star, was "the guide of the sun god".
I didn't understand why it gets so confusing between the Sun and Saturn and Venus symbolism. Here is explains that Venus is the guide for the Sun God.
Maybe this actually is the 1882 reference?
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Post by puzzled on Dec 11, 2008 23:01:01 GMT -5
Kebra Nagast (Queen of Sheba) - Budge
Preface:
Many a king of Egypt states in his inscriptions that he reigned "in the egg," i.e. before he was born, and we are to understand that the egg was deposited in his mother by the form of the Sun-God, who was his father.
Perhaps that is why John was the Egg Man? He was the son of Paul (so to speak)?
Rameses the Great was held to be the son of the god Ptah-Tanen, and in the inscription on a stele at Abu Simbel this god, in addressing the king says: "I am thy father. Thy members were begotten as are those of the gods. I took the form of the Ram, the Lord of Tet (Mendes), I companied with they august mother.
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Dec 12, 2008 8:58:34 GMT -5
I can't stop myself. I thought I could look up info regarding lotus in some Egyptian references, since we now know it is the equivalent of LILY. Book of the dead - Budge(no link as I have my own copy, but easily found online if desired) The dead person holding a lotus indicates them the deceased holding his soul in his arms. Nefer-Tmu was the son either of Sekhet or Bast, and he personified some form of the sun's heat. He is usually depicted in the form of a man, with a cluster of lotus flowers upon his head, but sometimes he has the head of a lion; in the little faïence figures of him which are so common, he stands upon the back of a lion.[1] He no doubt represents the sun-god in the legend which made him to burst forth from a lotus, for in the pyramid of Unas the king is said to xaa em, Nefer-Tmu em sessen er sert Ra Rise like Nefer-Tmu from the lotus (lily) to the nostrils of Ra," and to "come forth on the horizon every day. The Nile is depicted in the form of a man, who wears upon his head a clump of papyrus or lotus flowers; his breasts are those of a woman, indicating fertility. Lanzone reproduces an interesting scene in which the north and south Nile gods are tying a papyrus and a lotus stalk around the emblem of union to indicate the unity of Upper and Lower Egypt, and this emblem is found cut upon the thrones of the kings of Egypt to indicate their sovereignty over the regions traversed by the South and North Niles. The Egyptian Heaven and Hell - Budge
The transformation of the dead Sun-god into the living Khepera having been effected, twelve goddesses step forward when he emerges from the serpent, and tow the great god into the sky, and lead him along the ways of the upper sky. "They bring with them the soft winds and breezes which accompany the dawn, and guide the god to SHU," who is the personification of the atmosphere and of whatever is in the vault of heaven. Of this god are seen only the head and arms, and when the Beetle of Khepera comes to him, he receives him, and places the newly-born Sun-god in the opening in the centre of the semi-circular wall which ends this vestibule of the world of light, where he is seen by the people on earth in the form of a disk. This disk either represents a transformation of the Sun-god effected by Shu, or the celestial ball containing the germs of life, of which the type on earth is the ball of eggs which the sacred beetle is seen rolling along the ground. Puzzled said: Nefer-Tmu was the son either of Sekhet or Bast, and he personified some form of the sun's heat. He is usually depicted in the form of a man, with a cluster of lotus flowers upon his head, but sometimes he has the head of a lion; in the little faïence figures of him which are so common, he stands upon the back of a lion.[1] He no doubt represents the sun-god in the legend which made him to burst forth from a lotus..."Here's another still from the Braverman film:
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Dec 12, 2008 9:09:34 GMT -5
Egypt During the New Kingdom, the cult of the sun god Ra became increasingly important until it evolved into the uncompromising monotheism of Pharaoh Akhenaten (Amenhotep IV, 1364-1347 B.C.). According to the cult, Ra created himself from a primeval mound in the shape of a pyramid and then created all other gods. Thus, Ra was not only the sun god, he was also the universe, having created himself from himself. Ra was invoked as Aten or the Great Disc that illuminated the world of the living and the dead. The effect of these doctrines can be seen in the sun worship of Pharaoh Akhenaten, who became an uncompromising monotheist. Aldred has speculated that monotheism was Akhenaten's own idea, the result of regarding Aten as a self-created heavenly king whose son, the pharaoh, was also unique. Akhenaten made Aten the supreme state god, symbolized as a rayed disk with each sunbeam ending in a ministering hand. Is this why we see a hand above Paul's head?Hmmm. I've been working under the assumption that the hand over Paul's head was always the palm of someone's hand. And since Apollo (another solar deity) was born under a Palm tree, well...you get the picture... Your explanation fits too, puzzled. Here comes the sun king.
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Dec 12, 2008 10:37:14 GMT -5
And speaking of Paul/Bill as the Sun God...
Is Helter Skelter really about his daily rising and setting???
"When I get to the bottom I go back to the top of the slide Where I stop and turn and I go for a ride Till I get to the bottom and I see you again Yeah, yeah, yeah Do you don't you want me to love you I'm coming down fast but I'm miles above you Tell me tell me come on tell me the answer You may be a lover but you ain't no dancer"
The fact that Helter begins with HEL (helios) doesn't hurt this argument.
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Post by puzzled on Dec 12, 2008 10:49:15 GMT -5
I finally found a good image that shows the hands at the end of the sun's rays (or Ras)
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Post by jarvitronics on Dec 12, 2008 11:25:32 GMT -5
And speaking of Paul/Bill as the Sun God... Is Helter Skelter really about his daily rising and setting??? "When I get to the bottom I go back to the top of the slide Where I stop and turn and I go for a ride Till I get to the bottom and I see you again Yeah, yeah, yeah Do you don't you want me to love you I'm coming down fast but I'm miles above you Tell me tell me come on tell me the answer You may be a lover but you ain't no dancer" The fact that Helter begins with HEL (helios) doesn't hurt this argument. Nice interpretation. I really like that. -j
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Post by iameye on Dec 12, 2008 11:51:40 GMT -5
I finally found a good image that shows the hands at the end of the sun's rays (or Ras) could be snakes, for the sake of argument. Snakes were definitely associated with Ra. www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/sociopol_brotherhoodsnake08.htmIV. sun (god): 1. a snake expresses sun-rays (another link with sword); 2. in a complete circle it represents the Zodiac (beside Eternity); Macrobius: the curving movement of the sun; 3. the serpent was used by the Egyptians in nearly all symbols, but mainly the sun-symbol: it even formed part of the hair-style of Isis; v. N, 1
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Post by iameye on Dec 12, 2008 12:34:19 GMT -5
also, lily may have to do with time?
"The temple that refers to a place of worship, for example, does not have the same origin as the temple that refers to a side of the forehead. The temple where one worships comes from Latin templum, itself derived from the Indo-European root *tem-, "to cut, divide." Latin templum probably referred originally to the fact that temples were on sacred ground that was "divided" or separated from ordinary ground. The temple of the head comes from the Latin word tempus, "temple of the head." Its origin is not certain; some have thought it to be a special use of the homonymous word tempus "time" as a translation of Greek kairios, "(proper) time, opportunity, vital spot,"
time divided
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Post by puzzled on Dec 12, 2008 12:52:11 GMT -5
I can't go with snakes necessarily, as I've seen images of the hands holding things, such as ankhs. I suppose the snakes could hold things in their mouths. Haven't found an example so far, but I did find this interesting carving that I had never seen before. If you turn it upside down, it seems a good precursor to the fleur-de-lys as well. Symbols are so fluid, it is hard to nail them down.
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Post by puzzled on Dec 12, 2008 13:13:24 GMT -5
Here is a link showing the sun's rays holding things, if you look at the ones around the edge. Completely off topic, but I find it interesting that there are only four "hands" holding ankhs, two on either side of the sun. The sun emits four different kinds of radiation that reach the earth at different times based on the rotation of it and the earth. Two are positive and two are negative. It almost seems that this image could be depicting that? upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/47/Akhenaten,_Nefertiti_and_their_children.jpg Here is a smaller version for reference, but I still recommend viewing the larger detailed image.
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Post by puzzled on Dec 13, 2008 20:07:24 GMT -5
This feels significant to me. I found The Lilies Among The Thorns, and in the center is the flower made of flowers on the lower left corner of the Sgt Pepper cover: www.meru.org/lightintent/lightin.htmlThis Flame in its Meeting Tent has many noteworthy properties and applications; as a model known in the mythology and science of all cultures (albeit in various guises and by diverse names) it can function as a unifying center and speak to all with one voice. It is taught that the twelve perfect jewels (Tumin) on the breast-plate of the high priest in Sinai, in appropriate prophetic hands, could be used as an oracle in interpretation of the Torah. In the introduction to the Sepher Zohar (Book of Splendor), Rabbi Simeon discusses the "lily among the thorns". The thorns are like seed-husk/ structures; they are " particles" akin to the tetrahedron. The lily (calla lily -- the "Easter Lily" to the Christians) is flame-shaped, but upside-down (the candle-top is at the open end of the lily; the smoke column from the tip of the flame is at the flower's stem). The lily grows from within its thorn just as the flame flares from within the tetrahedron. The Sufis teach that the second letter of the second sura of the Quran, the super-letter "Lah", is the source of all (Arabic) letters. The Lah is a flame, the Light of Islam, and it appears in a triangle (plane representation of a tetrahedron) on Moslem gravestones. It is a symbol of Unity/Light/ Consciousness. In the eastern traditions this model appears as the tortoise that holds up the world. (The tortoise shell is the structural quantum, while the hexagonal pattern on its back is an exact model of the cyclic 7-color map that defines the 2-torus/donut.) The tetrahedral Tripod was the seat of the oracle at Delphi. The Oroboros (the snake that eats its tail), the Orphic Egg, and the entwined serpents on the Caduceus are representations of the same 2-torus defining ribbon. When Yin and Yang interflow in the Tao, when Spirit is at home in Matter, when mind and body are healed (whole) in one soul, when Urim is in Tumin, when wave and quantum are light they then can all be represented by the 1 3/4-turn ribbon vortex FLAME in the TETRAHEDRON. Does this explain why there are so many La la la la las in lyrics?
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Post by puzzled on Dec 13, 2008 21:19:40 GMT -5
This ties in to the "Apple Starr" thread, but since I am only speculating wildly I figured I would clutter-up my own thread. I believe the Lily symbolism and the sacred geometry that Jarvatronics is fleshing out all point to the FLOWER OF LIFE. I am putting together an idea of what the general message is pertaining to Crowley and others focus on Sex-Magic, and the Lily. So, if we start at the beginning.... First we have the LILY, and this is a Da Vinci drawing: You can clearly see the flower/star image in the center, that is created out of flowers on the lower left of the Sgt. Pepper album. Next, this image shows man in his natural state, with 5 energy points: But we can see from the "Metatron" that the Flower of Life, or the form that allows for creation (I assume) has six sides: In this image, the "Lilies" would be the orange sections that flare out. To be continued in next post.........
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Post by puzzled on Dec 13, 2008 21:30:56 GMT -5
So I believe the idea is, that we need to change from our 5-Pointed Star-Self and transform into a 6-Pointed Star-Self, by activating our sexual organs, so to speak: Until you would finally have this, which represents a six-pointed soul inside a 5-pointed man, sorta thing I know this seems far afield from the topics, but I think this is one of the underlying messages in the geometry.
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