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Post by GN on Jan 27, 2009 7:56:35 GMT -5
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Post by pauliedied on Jan 27, 2009 8:17:34 GMT -5
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Post by GN on Jan 27, 2009 10:55:23 GMT -5
Just cropped "as is" Yes Faul looked very "Paulinesh"
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Post by JS2 on Jan 27, 2009 11:15:55 GMT -5
Yes Faul looked very "Paulinesh" Don't even try it.
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Post by trutha on Jan 27, 2009 15:17:35 GMT -5
I really think Aug 19, 1966, the Memphis interview, is the last time JPM is to be seen. I know this is at odds w/ the generally accepted theory that Paul was replaced ~ Sept 11, 1966. It is my impression that it is not Paul at the LA interview on Aug 28: & I don't think this is Paul on Aug 29 in San Francisco (on right): This pic in NY at the Warwick Hotel on Aug 22, 1966 is also suspect (on left), as far as I'm concerned: This is all JMO, of course.
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Post by Red Lion on Jan 27, 2009 23:43:47 GMT -5
Pause the Frost vid @ 2:29 and the 68 vid @ 0:31 and pay attention to the positioning of his right index finger. Then pause the 68 vid @ 2:21 and compare it to this photo.
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Post by GN on Jan 28, 2009 7:46:13 GMT -5
Pause the Frost vid @ 2:29 and the 68 vid @ 0:31 and pay attention to the positioning of his right index finger.
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Jan 28, 2009 10:37:54 GMT -5
Pause the Frost vid @ 2:29 and the 68 vid @ 0:31 and pay attention to the positioning of his right index finger. Then pause the 68 vid @ 2:21 and compare it to this photo. Good stuff, RL! I've mentioned various times on here that I believe JPM stuck around for quite a while after 9/66. I believe that there definitely WERE replacements, but that JPM came back to the Beatles, and also participated in the solo years. Without getting too into a long analysis, I believe that "Mountain Man" (Let It Be) was JPM. I also believe that JPM recorded the first solo album "McCartney".
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Post by ramone on Jan 28, 2009 11:30:36 GMT -5
Pause the Frost vid @ 2:29 and the 68 vid @ 0:31 and pay attention to the positioning of his right index finger. Then pause the 68 vid @ 2:21 and compare it to this photo. Good stuff, RL! I've mentioned various times on here that I believe JPM stuck around for quite a while after 9/66. I believe that there definitely WERE replacements, but that JPM came back to the Beatles, and also participated in the solo years. Without getting too into a long analysis, I believe that "Mountain Man" (Let It Be) was JPM. I also believe that JPM recorded the first solo album "McCartney". Could 68 guy be Paul? Maybe. But if you stop both vids (frost and 68) at a little over a minute, you can see both faces. I don't think they really look alike. The eyes seem different for one thing. And that's always been a marker no matter the hairstyle, etc. JPM had a deeper voice I think as can be compared to the 68 vid. A thing to appreciate, imo, is how settled in his own skin JP was. His gestures are natural, both face and hands. (example too-the 66 interview). His voice is his voice. Bill on the other hand, while trying to imitate, seems to go slightly beyond with his imitation. There's a percentage of overplay with the accent and gestures. If one pays attention to the different bill vids it's fairly easy to pick up. Almost to say -'Do you see how I sound like paul? Do you see how I do this with my hand?' It's usually not over the top. It's fairly subtle. But it's there. I'm not referring to any one vid, but just what can be picked up at different times and in an overall sense. Like any comedian that does this (like the Bush guy, etc.), or person in theater that may have this job, the impersonators' job is to do just that, to impersonate. Bill/Faul for the most part, did it pretty well.
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Post by mommybird on Jan 28, 2009 12:03:33 GMT -5
Ramone, your post above is very logical & well thought out. Paul> <Faul ( Mountain Man ? ) Paul> <Faul ( Same guy as above without the facial hair ) Paul> [ <Faul ( from "McCartney" album insert ) Paul 1 & 2> >Faul More to come...
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Post by GN on Jan 28, 2009 12:21:41 GMT -5
Could 68 guy be Paul? Maybe. But if you stop both vids (frost and 68) at a little over a minute, you can see both faces. I don't think they really look alike. The eyes seem different for one thing. And that's always been a marker no matter the hairstyle, etc. JPM had a deeper voice I think as can be compared to the 68 vid. A thing to appreciate, imo, is how settled in his own skin JP was. His gestures are natural, both face and hands. (example too-the 66 interview). His voice is his voice. Bill on the other hand, while trying to imitate, seems to go slightly beyond with his imitation. There's a percentage of overplay with the accent and gestures. If one pays attention to the different bill vids it's fairly easy to pick up. Almost to say -'Do you see how I sound like paul? Do you see how I do this with my hand?' It's usually not over the top. It's fairly subtle. But it's there. I'm not referring to any one vid, but just what can be picked up at different times and in an overall sense. Like any comedian that does this (like the Bush guy, etc.), or person in theater that may have this job, the impersonators' job is to do just that, to impersonate. Bill/Faul for the most part, did it pretty well. ... at least ONE who can SEE yet ..
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Post by ramone on Jan 28, 2009 13:07:20 GMT -5
Thanks MB and GN. It's just a thought process and opinion. We all have them. Any of us should be willing to stand corrected if it turns out different from what we thought.
This is a serious subject, but it's enjoyable to knock around different thoughts on the boards. I like looking at someone's post and saying - 'wow, never thought of it from that angle.'
How much fun would it be if there was only one person attached to every forum out there and that person just logged on and kept rereading their own posts? We might enjoy reading what we've written, but after not long - boring.
In the psychology of Tom Hanks character in Castaway - why does he have a 'Wilson' ? In the context of the situation he wants to bounce his thoughts off of 'someone'.
It's nice to do that back and forth. Maybe we don't always get a reply or whatever, but it can still be fun.
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Post by Red Lion on Jan 28, 2009 13:08:39 GMT -5
Good stuff, RL!
I've mentioned various times on here that I believe JPM stuck around for quite a while after 9/66.
I believe that there definitely WERE replacements, but that JPM came back to the Beatles, and also participated in the solo years.
Without getting too into a long analysis, I believe that "Mountain Man" (Let It Be) was JPM.
I think you are correct, MM is a little tricky though, sometimes he has a JPM look and other times not so much.
A thing to appreciate, imo, is how settled in his own skin JP was. His gestures are natural, both face and hands. (example too-the 66 interview). His voice is his voice.
The "Paul" in the 68 vid, the Yellow Sub interview vid and the 68 Larry Kane interview vid all show the same relaxed entity. Compare with the 67 street vid, the LSD vid or the 67 mustached vid and there is a huge difference.
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Post by mommybird on Jan 28, 2009 14:04:02 GMT -5
Above, Faul from the "McCartney" album Paul Second photo, "Mountain Man" Paul Faul, from the "McCartney" album Paul Faul, from the "McCartney" album There's no getting around the bigger forehead that MM has. That one curl of hair ( in the "straw" photo ) is about the length of Paul's bangs. For MM, there is a longer distance between the end of said hair to his eyebrows. People's foreheads don't grow after adulthood.
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Post by pauliedied on Jan 28, 2009 15:55:22 GMT -5
i think Mommybirds photos show very well that MM is JPM. the larger forehead argument is not enough (i dont even see it, just a haircut) the question who was BILL?
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Post by -Wings- on Jan 28, 2009 18:13:17 GMT -5
Good stuff, RL! I've mentioned various times on here that I believe JPM stuck around for quite a while after 9/66. I believe that there definitely WERE replacements, but that JPM came back to the Beatles, and also participated in the solo years. Without getting too into a long analysis, I believe that "Mountain Man" (Let It Be) was JPM. I also believe that JPM recorded the first solo album "McCartney". Heh. Nice deduction. It was called "Get Back" for a reason, you know.
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Post by trutha on Jan 28, 2009 18:58:21 GMT -5
MB, here's a comp w/ "Mt Man" Faul
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Post by DarkHorse on Jan 28, 2009 19:24:09 GMT -5
MB, here's a comp w/ "Mt Man" Faul Not the same person imo, even with Paul's face looking elongated, which was either the result of the angle of the pic or the pic was doctored
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Post by trutha on Jan 28, 2009 22:57:19 GMT -5
^ Oh, there's no way that's the same person.
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Post by mommybird on Jan 28, 2009 23:46:05 GMT -5
I don't understand how people can continue to say" it's just a haircut". Paul's forehead is noticeably smaller than MM's. < shrugs> I guess I'm going to have to find some good photos of Paul with his bangs off of his forehead to bring this point across better. It's just a matter of time, folks. I agree with both Darkhorse & Trutha in that it's NOT the same man. All IMHO of course.
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Post by Red Lion on Jan 29, 2009 2:54:58 GMT -5
thequestion who was BILL? Here is a "Bill"
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Post by pauliedied on Jan 29, 2009 3:22:39 GMT -5
thequestion who was BILL? Here is a "Bill" he sure looks strange but the basic features are still paul: here is a little photoshop experiment:
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Post by DarkHorse on Jan 29, 2009 9:47:47 GMT -5
As I've said from the beginning, the way to make the fades work is to make Faul's head smaller(since his head was in actuality larger than Paul's) than Paul's. If you don't believe me, do a fade again like the above one and include the bodies and see if it looks right.
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Post by mommybird on Jan 29, 2009 10:15:45 GMT -5
Thank you, Darkhorse. I never could figure out how they got the fades to work like that. As far as the features being similar, again I stress, what kind of replacement would that person be if he DIDN'T resemble the original person ?
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Post by Red Lion on Jan 29, 2009 11:24:19 GMT -5
thequestion who was BILL? Here is a "Bill" he sure looks strange but the basic features are still paul: Your work is good, as you can make the features line up (sort of), the problem being is that there is little if any resemblance in those two pics. They are obviously two very different men. You seem to be indicating that Paul was never replaced. That just won't fly here. here is a little photoshop experiment: Your work is good, as you have managed to make eyes and noses and such line up (sorta). The problem being is that these two guys just don't resemble each other at all. You seem to be saying Paul has been the same guy all along, which is fine, but that dog just doesn't hunt here.
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