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Post by malevans on Jan 17, 2009 17:44:00 GMT -5
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Post by puzzled on Jan 17, 2009 19:40:56 GMT -5
Is that a new interview? I must say, I'm losing my enthusiasm for IAAP's process. The whole briefcase fiasco and manipulation has taken all the fun out of it for me. |
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Post by B on Jan 17, 2009 20:32:14 GMT -5
It's a new Rotten Apple from Iamaphoney.
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Post by Jude on Jan 17, 2009 21:03:24 GMT -5
Is that a new interview? I must say, I'm losing my enthusiasm for IAAP's process. The whole briefcase fiasco and manipulation has taken all the fun out of it for me. Umm....have you watched the last few Rotten Apples? It actually hasn't been about the briefcase for a while. I know, it was getting a bit annoying, but the last few have been about other things, really. |
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Post by puzzled on Jan 17, 2009 22:48:03 GMT -5
I understood that this is a new video. I was referring to the Paul interview that is included in the video - where he is saying "magick with a 'K'". I just hadn't heard it before, but then I am not an expert on JPM quotes. I had requested info about that topic a while back, but no one responded, so I thought maybe it is a more recent interview?
The briefcase issue just left a impression about what this game is all about, and how far these people will go to jerk us around. It was interesting when it seemed like he was eventually going to have a point, but the Crowley/satanic connection has been implied all along and isn't news this far into the series.
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Post by trutha on Jan 17, 2009 22:54:36 GMT -5
IMO, the Crowley/satanic connection is a cover for intelligence activities. However, I do think there is a spiritual aspect to the Beatles' story. They've been referred to as a "supernatural" band. I'd agree w/ that.
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Post by puzzled on Jan 17, 2009 23:19:31 GMT -5
IMO, the Crowley/satanic connection is a cover for intelligence activities. However, I do think there is a spiritual aspect to the Beatles' story. They've been referred to as a "supernatural" band. I'd agree w/ that. It is difficult to get down into people's hearts and minds and know what they really believe. However, if people openly say they are a satanist, or imply their beliefs in other ways because of vows of secrecy, I figure I may as well take them at their word. Many people make many choices and decisions every day in their lives based on their religious beliefs and how that forms their world view. I don't see why satanists should be any different in that way. As with all religions, once you get past the stereotypical shallow common views and see what they actually believe, it is the same old ideas that everyone else are basing their game on. It only comes down to which side you decide to align yourself with. I would be interested to hear your reasoning for feeling that there is no substance there, but only a military front? Fuzzled. |
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Post by trutha on Jan 17, 2009 23:54:53 GMT -5
^ I firmly believe the Beatles were good souls & not dark/satanic. I do believe that TPTP are into some weird satanic stuff (Bohemian Grove, for ex) & that intelligence agencies use satanic groups as covers (A. Crowley was Brit Intell, for ex). I suspect the Beatles were involved in intelligence at some level. This may be the connection iaap is trying to indirectly make w/ all of these references - intell & TPTB involvement. To me, though, RA 73 seems to be connecting the Beatles more to the spiritual realm. Just my interpretation  |
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Post by B on Jan 18, 2009 14:21:37 GMT -5
Here's the interview, puzzled, from 4/23/07: www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2007/04/23/paul-mccartney-a-giant-among-rock-immortals/"There is such a thing as magic, and the Beatles were magic. It depends on what you believe life is. Life is an energy field, a bunch of molecules. And these particular molecules formed to make these four guys, who then formed into this band called the Beatles and did all that work… " (Thanks to Tafultong for identifying the source at his blog.) |
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Post by FAUllibLE on Jan 19, 2009 3:18:43 GMT -5
IMO, the Crowley/satanic connection is a cover for intelligence activities. However, I do think there is a spiritual aspect to the Beatles' story. They've been referred to as a "supernatural" band. I'd agree w/ that. It is difficult to get down into people's hearts and minds and know what they really believe. However, if people openly say they are a satanist, or imply their beliefs in other ways because of vows of secrecy, I figure I may as well take them at their word. Many people make many choices and decisions every day in their lives based on their religious beliefs and how that forms their world view. I don't see why satanists should be any different in that way. As with all religions, once you get past the stereotypical shallow common views and see what they actually believe, it is the same old ideas that everyone else are basing their game on. It only comes down to which side you decide to align yourself with. I would be interested to hear your reasoning for feeling that there is no substance there, but only a military front? Fuzzled. I think the suitcase stuff is a lost cause, but phoneys documentation of the beatles involvement in satanism is the natural progression of where the trail has lead. I believe any religious believe that condones human sacrifice should be up for a higher scrutiny. Satanism hasn't been criticized enough in this area IMHO. |
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Post by puzzled on Jan 19, 2009 6:00:31 GMT -5
I feel it necessary to say that all satanists do not participate in human sacrifice - just like all catholics are not child molesters. They have a wide range of beliefs and rituals, just like christians do. I strongly agree that the entire belief systems needs scrutiny, as most people I broach the subject to dismiss it out-of-hand. They cannot conceive that human beings do such things in 2009, and therefore refuse to acknowledge even the possibility. To them all evidence provided can be individually explained away by multiple more "sensible" or logical explanations - while quoting Occam's Razor at me like a parrot  |
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Post by skyward on Jan 19, 2009 11:49:55 GMT -5
I feel it necessary to say that all satanists do not participate in human sacrifice - just like all catholics are not child molesters. They have a wide range of beliefs and rituals, just like christians do. I'd have to say that no christian is a child molester. People can call themselves whatever they want - self-professed this and that doesn't mean squat these days; and based on what I've seen out there, you're certainly going to see more corruption within the 'professed loving religions/denominations.' It is the nature of a congregation to put faith in their leaders to do no wrong, something like satanism doesn't work the same way. |
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Post by FAUllibLE on Jan 19, 2009 13:44:46 GMT -5
I feel it necessary to say that all satanists do not participate in human sacrifice - just like all catholics are not child molesters. They have a wide range of beliefs and rituals, just like christians do. I strongly agree that the entire belief systems needs scrutiny, as most people I broach the subject to dismiss it out-of-hand. They cannot conceive that human beings do such things in 2009, and therefore refuse to acknowledge even the possibility. To them all evidence provided can be individually explained away by multiple more "sensible" or logical explanations - while quoting Occam's Razor at me like a parrot Youre having a hard time understanding and staying on subject. If there were a religion that had doctrine supporting child molestation then it should receive great criticism. Many go into the "priesthood" not for religious reasons, but to access small children. Theres so much corruption in the catholic church, who would notice? That being said, there is much satanic doctrine supporting human sacrifice and ritual sex magic with children. Never said every satanist or luciferian participates or condones it, but simply it is written in their work's. |
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Post by puzzled on Jan 19, 2009 18:13:22 GMT -5
I'll admit to the difficulty of staying on topic part. I hope I at least understand the conversation  I wasn't even responding to anything specifically, just wanted to state that all organized religions are evil, as are some individuals in all of those groups, and I refuse to take sides. There are no "official" satanic documents that cover all those groups, so all writings are written by any ol' Joe Schmoe who can convince someone else they know something. Christians do make some determination between holy scriptures and commentary and claim that some of their writings are inspired by God. Well, now that I think of it, I suppose Crowley declared that some of his writings were inspired channelings from Aiwas, so I guess that is the same thing. In all the Satanic documents I've read so far, and it is getting up there in number at this point, I have never read anything in their "official" documents that calls for molesting children or killing anyone, even animals. Does that mean that no one does these things? - Of course not, but we can't necessarily hang that at their door, just like we can't hang child molesting at the door of all christians. That was my only point. |
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Post by FAUllibLE on Jan 19, 2009 19:40:18 GMT -5
Well youre responce was very typical. If we were talking about Catholics or all organized religions it would be relevant, but we wernt. Whenever one tries to take an honest look at satanism, the stanard responce is "well, lets compare it to Christianity or some other religion", 9 times out of ten its ,as in your case, Christianity. We will agree that organized religion is corrupt with evil as is 99% of all organizations.
Aliester Crowley is a Satanist that most Satanist agree with, because satanist will follow just about any old doctrine. . He endorsed child molesting and Human sacrifice.
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Post by skyward on Jan 19, 2009 20:13:01 GMT -5
Even when you include people who are christian mainly by tradition, i.e. they were forced to go to church by their parents, the main appeal of the religion, generally speaking, is that of 'peace/love/understanding'. It's simplistic, I know, but that makes it fertile ground for vile conmen/women to lurk in the pews and pulpits. On the other hand, you can't really soil something that is already stained.
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Post by ph0neyprophet on Jan 19, 2009 21:23:38 GMT -5
Barack Obama isn't the only one who uses Myspace/Facebook for subliminal images or messages..   Notice what a split second can do? That is definately not Paul's face. Now, this is legit proof. Iamaphoney isn't really much when nobody's sure who he is, but when you get video proof from Paul, then it's a major hint. It's much harder on Youtube to pause at the right moment, which is why you must be looking at these pictures saying "thats Paul.." but, on myspace, you can pause much easier at the exact moment you want to.. much better quality.  |
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Post by puzzled on Jan 23, 2009 0:32:13 GMT -5
Well youre responce was very typical. If we were talking about Catholics or all organized religions it would be relevant, but we wernt. Whenever one tries to take an honest look at satanism, the stanard responce is "well, lets compare it to Christianity or some other religion", 9 times out of ten its ,as in your case, Christianity. We will agree that organized religion is corrupt with evil as is 99% of all organizations. Aliester Crowley is a Satanist that most Satanist agree with, because satanist will follow just about any old doctrine. . He endorsed child molesting and Human sacrifice. I'm not disagreeing with that, and I am unclear about why you want to be so argumentative, as if I have posited some belief that is carved in stone..? Commonly people have a very "Hollywood" idea of Satanism. Because of that, when someone tries to point to anything that the Beatles have included in their music or art as "Satanic" in origin, people automatically dismiss the possibility, because they believe that the Beatles are nice, LOVING people who couldn't possibly be involved in such things. All I wanted to do was point out that all Satanists are not required to perform child molestation and human sacrifice, and that it is possible for seemingly nice people to be Satanists. I'm sorry if I am not communicating well. I have no desire to be confrontational on the subject. |
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Post by Jude on Jan 23, 2009 15:35:07 GMT -5
All I wanted to do was point out that all Satanists are not required to perform child molestation and human sacrifice, and that it is possible for seemingly nice people to be Satanists. As someone who has dabbled in and has had friends who were, in the past, into the occult, I can fully attest the above statement. Sorry faullible, but you're full of it. |
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Post by FAUllibLE on Jan 23, 2009 16:09:17 GMT -5
Ha Ha Ha hello jude. Full of what? Don't turn this into something its not. I'm saying a majority of satanist follow the teachings of Aliester Crowley, who in his book magick admitted to abusing and murdering hundreds of children. Though one in the occult might not participate in such acts, they still associate themselves with Crowley.
Also jude, even though you were in the occult, you werent deep enough that you werent able to get out with your life. You see the deeper you go the more secrets you get exposed to, and you cant just walk away. This is where the real rituals are done.
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Post by puzzled on Jan 23, 2009 16:11:16 GMT -5
All I wanted to do was point out that all Satanists are not required to perform child molestation and human sacrifice, and that it is possible for seemingly nice people to be Satanists. As someone who has dabbled in and has had friends who were, in the past, into the occult, I can fully attest the above statement. Sorry faullible, but you're full of it. Thanks Jude for chiming in. From reading it is my understanding that people who practice magick do not believe in Black or White magick - it is all in the person wielding the energy. All humans have both good and bad, light and dark inside of them. Magickal energy itself is not good or evil, it is powerful. How a human determines to use it is what makes it Black or evil, so the basic idea of Satanism isn't automatically a dark path. Even followers of the Left Hand Path are still working within the known natural energies, as destructive powers effect our lives every day. They seem to prefer to work with the entropy side of things or the chaos intrinsic in the system, instead of seeking Order, which is not automatically evil. To make a logical connection of Satanic symbolism being used in the media, we have to be able to look at their belief system logically and try to understand why they do the things they do, which seem illogical to most of us. |
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Post by FAUllibLE on Jan 23, 2009 18:08:40 GMT -5
Exactly, not sit around comparing it to other religions. I've seen that a thousand times. Heres a quote from Anton Lavey: “If they’re at all intelligent [other true Satanist] …they’ll realize that there’s only so much I can say publicly…I will not advance things in print which make my position untenable…How long would the Church of Satan have lasted if I hadn’t appeased and outraged in just the right combination? It required a certain amount of discretion and diplomacy to balance the outrage.”  You see, you will only understand so much unless you get past the PR propaganda. |
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Post by puzzled on Jan 24, 2009 1:02:51 GMT -5
Exactly, not sit around comparing it to other religions. I've seen that a thousand times. Heres a quote from Anton Lavey: “If they’re at all intelligent [other true Satanist] …they’ll realize that there’s only so much I can say publicly…I will not advance things in print which make my position untenable…How long would the Church of Satan have lasted if I hadn’t appeased and outraged in just the right combination? It required a certain amount of discretion and diplomacy to balance the outrage.” You see, you will only understand so much unless you get past the PR propaganda. I am honestly trying to understand your point. Are you saying that Paul or Faul McCartney cannot be a Satanist because of the behaviors of Satanists and he would never do that ~ or ~ are you saying that he is a Satanist, and because of that we must conclude that he is participating in illegal and immoral activities? Or have I completely missed the boat again?  |
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Post by FAUllibLE on Jan 24, 2009 3:40:00 GMT -5
HAHAHAHAHA starting to forget what my point was.
I believe he is a Satanist and I think Phoneys work is a natural progression of where this mystery has lead. I do believe he supports those involved with money, propaganda, etc. To me this is enough put blood on his hands. I can't tell you whether or not he participates in illegal activities himself, I can only speculate.
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Post by horseloverphat on Jan 24, 2009 9:29:49 GMT -5
Magick....? I thought I had that covered with my analysis of Paul's Ever Present Past video from last year...the Golden Dawn (Al was a member) grade signs...now that's magic....to coin another Paul's phrase...lol now these are magickal workings. Post is old now and the pics have gone...but I've put it below if you want to take a look!!!! invanddis.proboards29.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=TAR&thread=3214&page=1 |
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