Jude
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Post by Jude on Feb 2, 2009 11:30:29 GMT -5
From what I can tell, it didn't get out of hand.
It's quite annoying, let me tell you, to spend more than half an hour writing a post (which included research and images, etc..) only to find that the entire topic was locked.
If you can't provide a better reason than "we've heard this all before, blah, blah" then it makes the PID argument look rather weak. We were being civilized, so why can't we have our place to discuss photo comparisons?
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Post by mommybird on Feb 2, 2009 11:41:16 GMT -5
Because it's become obvious that some people can see it and some people can't. I have been posting photo comparisons since 2003. I just looked at some of the ones that are being toted as "both Paul" & that is not what I see at all. If that thread was not locked people like myself would've felt obligated to post comparisons & observations that would've probably turned it into an outright war. Believe me when I tell you, they did the right thing.
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Post by JS2 on Feb 2, 2009 11:44:00 GMT -5
Yeah! If anything the "Vintage" (sorry about that) topic. I could understand THAT, but ehh.... who cares...
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Post by 65if2007 on Feb 2, 2009 12:34:29 GMT -5
From what I can tell, it didn't get out of hand. It's quite annoying, let me tell you, to spend more than half an hour writing a post (which included research and images, etc..) only to find that the entire topic was locked. If you can't provide a better reason than "we've heard this all before, blah, blah" then it makes the PID argument look rather weak. We were being civilized, so why can't we have our place to discuss photo comparisons? Why indeed? It's not like the topic won't come up again. Given the theme of this board, the topic will inevitably come up again. The idea that "we've heard this all before" isn't a good reason to lock the thread. New people come along all the time who HAVEN'T heard it all before.
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Post by 65if2007 on Feb 2, 2009 12:39:50 GMT -5
Because it's become obvious that some people can see it and some people can't. I have been posting photo comparisons since 2003. I just looked at some of the ones that are being toted as "both Paul" & that is not what I see at all. If that thread was not locked people like myself would've felt obligated to post comparisons & observations that would've probably turned it into an outright war. Believe me when I tell you, they did the right thing. That would have been up to you whether or not to turn this into an "outright war". Even the phrase "some people can see it and some people can't" can itself be interpreted as inflammatory and also self-serving since it presupposes that there is any "it" to "see". But the notion that "we've heard this all before" and the notion that "no one is going to change his mind anyway" doesn't strike me as a good reason to entirely shut down conversation on a topic, especially when the topic is bound to come up again anyway. And the implication, of course, is that some people are afraid that their arguments won't withstand legitimate critical scrutiny.
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Post by pauliedied on Feb 2, 2009 12:58:34 GMT -5
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Post by mommybird on Feb 2, 2009 14:28:07 GMT -5
Pauliedied, the ears are different to begin with. And in some photos, Faul's forehead is noticeably larger. Look, I don't want to argue with you or 65if2007. And I disagree with what he said. I don't think my statement was inflammatory at all. I have shown photos of both men to people who don't even know who Paul McCartney is and they told me that it was not the same person. They are the control in this "experiment" since they have no stake in this whatsoever. I am not the only person who has experienced this. It is mostly with very young people who have not yet been conditioned by society. When I first came across PID, I was shocked. I thought that Paul was the imposter. I was raised to think that Sir Paul IS Paul McCartney. To me, the original Paul did not look that much like him. I was confused for quite awhile about the whole thing. Then for some reason I can't explain, I could see the difference quite clearly in most photos. Now that I've seen it, there is no going back. I am not the only person who has experienced this on these forums.
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Post by pauliedied on Feb 2, 2009 15:16:58 GMT -5
Pauliedied, the ears are different to begin with. And in some photos, Faul's forehead is noticeably larger. Look, I don't want to argue with you or 65if2007. And I disagree with what he said. I don't think my statement was inflammatory at all. I have shown photos of both men to people who don't even know who Paul McCartney is and they told me that it was not the same person. They are the control in this "experiment" since they have no stake in this whatsoever. I am not the only person who has experienced this. It is mostly with very young people who have not yet been conditioned by society. When I first came across PID, I was shocked. I thought that Paul was the imposter. I was raised to think that Sir Paul IS Paul McCartney. To me, the original Paul did not look that much like him. I was confused for quite awhile about the whole thing. Then for some reason I can't explain, I could see the difference quite clearly in most photos. Now that I've seen it, there is no going back. I am not the only person who has experienced this on these forums. thing is this is not a controled experiment. if you drag "very young people" into your conspiracy hoax world, that is quite unethical. if you asked those kids (or other people) you do it in a way that might bias or affect them to see 2 different people. and you will show them those select photos of yours where he inded looks a little different. but if you would show them the photos i posted, the will see the same person (like everyone else). and to make it a real experiment there should be pictures of other people etc. ect. and the ears are barely visual on the pictures above, and that proves PID?
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Post by trutha on Feb 2, 2009 15:28:46 GMT -5
"Why was the forehead thread locked?"
It got locked b/c the PIA'ers were getting pretty rude. Not that it bothers me, really. I'm used to PIA'ers being really rude, b/c they don't have the facts on their side, so they have to be rude to bolster their "argument." I actually pity them for not being able to break out of their programming. It matters not to them that Paul was shorter, better-looking, more talented, had difft color eyes, etc, they just can't see it. Kind of sad, really. Too much TV, maybe?
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Post by 65if2007 on Feb 2, 2009 15:41:44 GMT -5
"Why was the forehead thread locked?" It got locked b/c the PIA'ers were getting pretty rude. I beg your pardon? Of course not. Your courage dominates this moment. Untrue. Oh brother. For the most part, I do like early Beatles better than late Beatles, but it's a matter of opinion which songs are "better". For practical purposes, this is also untrue. That's "pretty rude". But it "doesn't bother me really" either. My courage also dominates this moment.
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Post by Jude on Feb 2, 2009 15:47:53 GMT -5
"Why was the forehead thread locked?" It got locked b/c the PIA'ers were getting pretty rude. No, we were not being rude at all. If you want rude, go to MaccaFunHouse. You do realize that there are people (not on this forum, but elsewhere) who make fun of you for those kinds of statements, right? And I don't blame them. You basically just provided affirmation to what I said earlier: Only now you're not only calling Faul "uglier" than Paul, but you actually think that Paul is a better songwriter despite Sir Paul having written more hits in his lifetime, not to mention the lions' share of influential Beatles songs---Hey Jude and Let It Be, anyone? What really cracks me up is that you've probably never listened to any of his solo stuff (which is a shame since Ram, Band on the Run and Venus and Mars are about as good as anything the Beatles ever came up with) and yet you're clearly more than qualified to say that Paul was a better musician/singer/songwriter. You're calling everyone who thinks that this looks like same person "programmed". To me that is not only incredibly sad (too much 60IF, maybe?), but also it is ruder than anything that anyone said on the now-locked forehead thread.
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Post by iameye on Feb 2, 2009 17:30:49 GMT -5
" Why was the forehead thread locked?" It got locked b/c the PIA'ers were getting pretty rude. Not that it bothers me, really. I'm used to PIA'ers being really rude, b/c they don't have the facts on their side, so they have to be rude to bolster their "argument." I actually pity them for not being able to break out of their programming. It matters not to them that Paul was shorter, better-looking, more talented, had difft color eyes, etc, they just can't see it. Kind of sad, really. Too much TV, maybe? none of the mods have said why, unless you are a mod trutha, a guess isn't the same as "knowing" ........... but I personally didn't see any rudeness going on
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Post by JoJo on Feb 2, 2009 18:35:07 GMT -5
It wasn't me, it was another mod. The forehead thread didn't bother me all that much, 'cause once I saw it was something I wasn't interested in, I only glanced in to make sure nothing too crazy was going on. I'll just say I'll respect his decision to lock it, although I can only guess the reason myself, as he hasn't weighed in...
The thread itself is a 2009 version of the threads that used to appear in great frequency in the first year or two, endless comparisons of body parts with each side posting voluminous photos, then arguments that go nowhere. Again, it doesn't bother me anywhere near what it did in the early years.. Maybe my fellow mod was flashing back to that time and didn't want a repeat.. Can't blame him really.
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Post by trutha on Feb 2, 2009 21:04:20 GMT -5
none of the mods have said why, unless you are a mod trutha, a guess isn't the same as "knowing" Well, for your information, the mod who did it told me he was going to do it & why. So, yes, you could say I did "know." That may be hard for you to accept, but it's the truth. lol Anyway, I do have to post this before I start ignoring this thread, b/c I just can't help myself Someone said that this was an example of Faul's head being stretched: I found this claim to be particularly amusing, since it's usually Paul's face that gets stretched (or o/wise tampered w/) to look more like Faul's:
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Post by iameye on Feb 2, 2009 21:31:40 GMT -5
none of the mods have said why, unless you are a mod trutha, a guess isn't the same as "knowing" Well, for your information, the mod who did it told me he was going to do it & why. So, yes, you could say I did "know." That may be hard for you to accept, but it's the truth. lol why would it be hard for me to accept? I did say UNLESS which could feasibly feebly encompass more info... the mod who did it told me he was going to do it & why. So, yes, you could say I did "know." you just conveniently left that part out. Just as you didn't explain "why" but you threw that in just now for no apparent reason other than to say it... LOL don't strain yourself anymore over it, though. An un- locked forehead thread won't change the world.....or would it?
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Post by 65if2007 on Feb 2, 2009 21:32:54 GMT -5
none of the mods have said why, unless you are a mod trutha, a guess isn't the same as "knowing" Well, for your information, the mod who did it told me he was going to do it & why. So, yes, you could say I did "know." That may be hard for you to accept, but it's the truth. You know; I just don't think that you're mature enough to handle the responsibility of having authority over these discussions - even informal authority. In other words, you just can't help re-opening a thread which was closed at your request because the argument wasn't going well for you. I'm sure that that's what happened. I'm sure that editors stretch or squeeze the photographic images of McCartney and the photographic images of others all of the time for reasons that have nothing to do with deception.
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Post by skyward on Feb 2, 2009 22:14:13 GMT -5
I'm sure that editors stretch or squeeze the photographic images of McCartney and the photographic images of others all of the time for reasons that have nothing to do with deception. If this is the case, then one would think that you'd see something similar happening with John, George and Ringo. I don't know, myself, but maybe someone can show some examples of the others having their images tweaked as we have seen happen with Paul. The ears really don't match up as they should in that particular comparison, I guess it could have been cosmetic surgery.
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Post by FP on Feb 2, 2009 23:30:22 GMT -5
If this is the case, then one would think that you'd see something similar happening with John, George and Ringo. I don't know, myself, but maybe someone can show some examples of the others having their images tweaked as we have seen happen with Paul. The magazine with the image of Paul with an airbrushed mustache is full of pictures of the other Beatles with mustaches and beards drawn on. I forgot where it was posted here, anyone else remember? There are pics of Ringo at the drums, a closeup of George, and John with sunglasses, all with some fake facial hair. So there's really no evidence of intentional "doctoring" that applies to Paul alone. Edit: I found it: invanddis.proboards29.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=pidpix&thread=4488&page=1
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Post by mommybird on Feb 3, 2009 13:22:15 GMT -5
I remember it being discussed in the past that the others had grown facial hair at the same time as Faul to make the differences less obvious. If that is the case, I can see them adding facial hair to the others in order to make it less obvious that they had just done it with "Paul". It's all a matter of perspective.
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Post by JS2 on Feb 4, 2009 8:53:58 GMT -5
Okay, I just re-read,and damn, sometimes my thread is the spark that sets the whole thing off! Jeez, sorry! Because it's become obvious that some people can see it and some people can't. I have been posting photo comparisons since 2003. I just looked at some of the ones that are being toted as "both Paul" & that is not what I see at all. If that thread was not locked people like myself would've felt obligated to post comparisons & observations that would've probably turned it into an outright war. Believe me when I tell you, they did the right thing. And "obligation" (or just being bluntly adamant that you are right?) is no reason to lock a topic. I see it got out of hand, but that reason's just invalid. Sorry, just MHO.
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Post by mommybird on Feb 4, 2009 10:51:21 GMT -5
And everyone is entitled to that.
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Post by JS2 on Feb 8, 2009 13:08:06 GMT -5
Good. And no, that does not warrant the use of that smiley, since it in no way makes you cool.
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Post by mrshears on Feb 22, 2009 16:42:38 GMT -5
Pauliedied, the ears are different to begin with. And in some photos, Faul's forehead is noticeably larger. Look, I don't want to argue with you or 65if2007. And I disagree with what he said. I don't think my statement was inflammatory at all. I have shown photos of both men to people who don't even know who Paul McCartney is and they told me that it was not the same person. They are the control in this "experiment" since they have no stake in this whatsoever. I am not the only person who has experienced this. It is mostly with very young people who have not yet been conditioned by society. When I first came across PID, I was shocked. I thought that Paul was the imposter. I was raised to think that Sir Paul IS Paul McCartney. To me, the original Paul did not look that much like him. I was confused for quite awhile about the whole thing. Then for some reason I can't explain, I could see the difference quite clearly in most photos. Now that I've seen it, there is no going back. I am not the only person who has experienced this on these forums. what she said makes alot of sense, his forhead is obviously larger than pauls. and pauls face takes up more space then fauls.
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Post by mrshears on Feb 22, 2009 16:46:32 GMT -5
"Why was the forehead thread locked?" It got locked b/c the PIA'ers were getting pretty rude. Not that it bothers me, really. I'm used to PIA'ers being really rude, b/c they don't have the facts on their side, so they have to be rude to bolster their "argument." I actually pity them for not being able to break out of their programming. It matters not to them that Paul was shorter, better-looking, more talented, had difft color eyes, etc, they just can't see it. Kind of sad, really. Too much TV, maybe? nuff said trutha.
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