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Post by thisone on Feb 26, 2009 13:42:29 GMT -5
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Feb 26, 2009 13:45:28 GMT -5
Thanks for the new photo of Paul in the striped jacket, dark66horse. The profile of the guy on the boat we've been calling Pepper Paul matches this new photo of Pepper Paul in the striped jacket. The guy on the boat we've been calling Pepper Paul does NOT match Derek, except for the jacket and the hair. None of the facial features are the same. SO, Either the guy on the boat we've been calling Pepper Paul is actually Pepper Paul, or... ...the ORIGINAL photo was manipulated in 1968 and Pepper Paul's face was inserted over Derek's to make Derek seem like Pepper Paul. But once again, the guy in the center (below) is NOT Derek Taylor:
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Post by pauliedied on Feb 26, 2009 14:20:44 GMT -5
Paul loved that Jacket in 1966 and in 1967
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Post by dark66horse on Feb 26, 2009 17:37:54 GMT -5
Paul loved that Jacket in 1966 and in 1967 It's the Strawberry Fields jacket
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Post by DarkHorse on Feb 26, 2009 18:09:24 GMT -5
Perhaps this is merely a clue left by the Beatles. You have Derek wearing Pepper Faul's jacket, looking like Pepper Faul and you have a guy on the left who looks like JPM circa 1966. Neither one is actually Pepper Faul or Paul but the message is left....
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Post by iameye on Feb 26, 2009 18:14:40 GMT -5
and we have your sig?
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Post by iameye on Feb 26, 2009 18:25:51 GMT -5
not the same jacket, exact Thanks for the new photo of Paul in the striped jacket, dark66horse. The profile of the guy on the boat we've been calling Pepper Paul matches this new photo of Pepper Paul in the striped jacket. The guy on the boat we've been calling Pepper Paul does NOT match Derek, except for the jacket and the hair. None of the facial features are the same. SO, Either the guy on the boat we've been calling Pepper Paul is actually Pepper Paul, or... ...the ORIGINAL photo was manipulated in 1968 and Pepper Paul's face was inserted over Derek's to make Derek seem like Pepper Paul. But once again, the guy in the center (below) is NOT Derek Taylor: still. It was a popular style. But not particularly on that chilly day. I believe it is the Derek. what was John wearing? shadow? Mystery man at full height? too many people apple "they won't stand a chance"good one John www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyMap4QhUE8one of the best things we have in our arsenal is this guy's wardrobe. ;D john at the end explains the LSD interview...why would he? and on the defense also. ........... I think when Paul looks at his nails it's a signal worked out in advance and used from the old days to slow down the interview, which they do, together, to turn the table? Magic Alex When the Beatles left Twickenham Studios to begin recording at Savile Row, they discovered the results of Alex’s attempt at creating a recording studio, and George Harrison was later to aptly term it “the biggest disaster of all time.” Unfortunately, Alex did not know the first thing about making an actual studio, and it showed. “If you’d had a few Revoxes you’d have done better,” said John Dunbar, noting the purchases Alex had made at Apple’s expense. “He’d charge them thousands and buy the stuff second-hand.” Not only had Alex installed sixteen small speakers to falsely mimic a sixteen-track recording studio, the room itself was without soundproofing, and he had built the studio beside the central-heating unit for the building, rendering any possible recordings useless with the voluminous amount of noise the machine generated. To top it all off, there were no ports connecting the studio and the control room, so it was impossible for sound emanating from the microphones to get to the mixing desk. Everything was taken apart and the Beatles asked George Martin to borrow a four-track mixing console from EMI. Martin himself became so annoyed over the fact that the Beatles had not listened to reason and had fallen for Alex’s impossible promises that he distanced himself from the current project named Get Back, and left much of the producing to engineer Glyn Johns.
The failed studio was the eye-opener the Beatles needed to snap themselves out of Alex’s spell, and after quickly realizing this, he made himself scarce, quietly hanging on until Allen Klein saw it fit to finally close Apple Electronics. Though Alex would occasionally see some of the Beatles from time to time, such as during the making of Harrison’s All Things Must Pass, his influence had been reduced to nil and he faded from the scene within a relatively short period of time. Just how did Alex initially become so close to the Beatles? Perhaps his perplexing comment relating to his choice of career most accurately describes the enigma of “Magic” Alex and his involvement Beatles’ empire: “Man is just a small glass, very, very clear, with many faces, like a diamond. You just have to find the way, the small door to each face.”[/color] [/quote]
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Post by ramone on Feb 26, 2009 19:55:55 GMT -5
Paul loved that Jacket in 1966 and in 1967 It's the Strawberry Fields jacket These jackets were pretty 'in' at the time so it's not surprising Derek or anyone would have one on. The one JPM is wearing isn't the same as SFF. Notice the stripes. But fairly close, and that's the point. The jacket acts as a bridge (or a component of) to go from JP to new guy. When trying to pull off something (replacing) like this it's like going from point A to B and in between is a terrain with a lot of highs and lows. The difficulties are apparent. Having new guy with the basic mop top look would've been too stark. So Faul and all grow hair, etc. This knocks the top off the high spots of the terrain. Having a similar jacket (etc) as JP fills in some of the low spots. Using these techniques the terrain is leveled out in both respects and going from A to B is a much smoother road. Guess what- It worked.
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Post by B on Feb 26, 2009 20:40:36 GMT -5
P(D)enny La(i)ne wrote: But once again, the guy in the center (below) is NOT Derek Taylor:------------------------------------------------------ But the guy in the center absolutely is Derek Taylor! And the jackets, though similar, are not the same, as Iameye has already pointed out. Not that I really care...
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Post by pauliedied on Feb 27, 2009 7:35:00 GMT -5
the jacket is part of a suit
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Post by dark66horse on Feb 27, 2009 11:55:21 GMT -5
Another clue for you all...
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Post by JoJo on Feb 27, 2009 17:14:09 GMT -5
I won't bug you about the source.. (I know better..) BUT.. is this in some way presented as the same picture? I'll buy that it's the area depicted in the JPM-ish guy/mystery man one you originally posted. Hmm, I said there were too many people on that boat..
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Post by pataphysical on Feb 28, 2009 13:31:55 GMT -5
Another clue for you all... Guess 1: Looks like the "cross-beam" is missing in the middle picture. However, wouldn't that be a moving part in a sailing vessel, which is what a Chinese junk is? Guess 2: Of course, it may have been airbrushed out if "JPM" was artificially added to the picture. Guess 3: Actually, the outer pictures are from the one in which Lennon sits in the middle of the boat. That "cross-beam" is the bridge in the background. It has either been purposely smoothed out or blurred for some reason. In the middle picture, the junk is in a different location, hence no bridge in the background. I don't see anything else that could be considered clue-worthy here. Please enlighten us, dark66horse. Interesting thread, BTW. pata
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Post by mrshears on Feb 28, 2009 20:43:35 GMT -5
that picture has always spooked me. i wonder if anybody has questioned the creators of that video, as too what that thing is supposed to be.
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Post by pataphysical on Mar 1, 2009 8:51:32 GMT -5
that picture has always spooked me. i wonder if anybody has questioned the creators of that video, as too what that thing is supposed to be. If by "thing" you mean the "cross-beam", it's actually the bridge in the picture with John in it. The cropped picture seems to have been re-processed in a manner similar to those depicting flying saucer disks in the daylight sky. Sort of an overexposure / blurring effect that lets you see enough to identify the shape of the object, but you cannot see the fine details. The bridge has that creepy UFO look, I agree. But it's a photography trick... dark666horse, we're awaiting your revelation here -pataphysical
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Post by dark66horse on Mar 1, 2009 11:37:04 GMT -5
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Post by thisone on Mar 1, 2009 13:40:46 GMT -5
Without as much as getting his hair wet! Wonder how he managed that! "This photo more than resembles the "hand-on-head-photgraph "Paul".
And the group, balloon photo above, is a bunch of lookalikes.
PS Will someone please fix that large photo that's fecking up the board!
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Post by B on Mar 1, 2009 13:54:17 GMT -5
Which one is that, thisone? The automatic picture sizing device seems to be working today (for a change), so I can't tell which one you are having problems with.
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Post by thisone on Mar 1, 2009 16:31:26 GMT -5
Which one is that, thisone? The automatic picture sizing device seems to be working today (for a change), so I can't tell which one you are having problems with. I think it's the 40 foot Gdansk photo!
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Post by B on Mar 1, 2009 17:15:34 GMT -5
Ah come on; it's like being there! ;D OK, I removed it. Things better now?
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Post by JoJo on Mar 1, 2009 18:29:10 GMT -5
Guess 3 is the correct answer. I posted the 2 cropped pictures (with and without JPM) to show that JPM (or whoever he was) in order to lean comfortably on the railing and drink and talk to the sailor, had to adjust his body, right arm, back and legs in that particular position (he has a buoy behind his feet). I find very unlikely the existence of an old JPM's picture that fits exactly that situation...and indeed NO ONE has found it in 2 weeks! Ah OK, I see what you were getting at now. I haven't been really looking too hard for a similar JPM picture, but if one did exist, it would open up a whole 'nother can of worms. It would be a deliberate statement at the very least.
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Post by JoJo on Mar 2, 2009 22:25:08 GMT -5
Taf in a blog post today mentioned the possibility that the guy on the left could have been Ken Mansfield: Possible, and good likelihood that he would be there, but I feel obliged to mention that Denis said that the "Apple's core" in the picture in the previous page flew to New York. Granted he could have been guilty of lazy reporting.. Didn't he realize we would be analyzing every detail?!
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Post by Miss Vaggie (Aka ET Girl) on Mar 3, 2009 2:25:01 GMT -5
Hmmm...I can see Paul, Macca...and... Paul! ;D
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Post by iameye on Mar 3, 2009 8:47:04 GMT -5
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Post by TotalInformation on Mar 3, 2009 12:44:35 GMT -5
Excellent, Jojo (& Letter B); thank you. From this scan we can confirm the mystery man is indeed Ron Kass, as I somewhat absenthandedly speculated upthread. You can see the similar stance and coat in the first and second black & white pictures in the magazine. Now, crossreference this color picture from the meeting (reproduced further below), we can see the "mystery man's" left shoulder/torso between Magic Alex and Sir FAUL. He appears to be wearing a camelhair sportcoat over a black turtleneck. I myself, have a similar camelhair sportcoat. A camelhair sportcoat on the underside of the collar will have a white or light-colored lining. In the second, group picture the wind is blowing strongly on the river and Kass' camelhair sportcoat collar is blown up, creating the appearance, from a distance, of a "white collar" on the figure in question -- which is why the "white collar" is not visible in the photo of Kass & Lennon talking. QED this one: (& thanks to eyeseeyou for this one)
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