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Post by JoJo on Sept 13, 2009 20:55:38 GMT -5
One or maybe two replacements of Paul McCartney for the purpose of keeping the Beatles and/or the McCartney mystique alive? Faintly conceivable. Wholesale replacements of every member of the most talented and the most prominent rock band in the history of the world for the purpose of satisfying some vague undefined objectives of mythical Illuminati overlords? Tinfoil hat territory. Well most would say anything other than an alive, original member of the Beatles known as Paul McCartney was tinfoil hat, but no.. You have the same goal posts as I do as to what is tin I believe. Ringo and George, same guys, all the way through. John too, although the weirdness and conflicting facts surrounding his murder will always have me doubting the "lone nut" theory. All too familiar, if ya know what I mean..
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Post by 65if2007 on Sept 14, 2009 1:53:04 GMT -5
One or maybe two replacements of Paul McCartney for the purpose of keeping the Beatles and/or the McCartney mystique alive? Faintly conceivable. Wholesale replacements of every member of the most talented and the most prominent rock band in the history of the world for the purpose of satisfying some vague undefined objectives of mythical Illuminati overlords? Tinfoil hat territory. Well most would say anything other than an alive, original member of the Beatles known as Paul McCartney was tinfoil hat Yes. But the number of legitimate clues suggesting that JPM died or disappeared and the really weird-looking McCartneys from late 1966 and early 1967 (EMI Studios, Nigeria, LSD, TV interview, Pepper, etc.) -- all of this plus the fact that the Truby study and now the science from the Wired Italia article even give the idea some forensic support -- these are all bases for legitimate discussion which take it out of the tinfoil category, as far as I'm concerned. I acknowledged two possible replacements in deference to Truby who said that he heard three McCartneys. Excellent. Yes, but by December 1980, John had pretty much become irrelevant as far as his politics were concerned. He might very well have regained stature as an artist. But there would be no reason for any organized conspiracy to kill him. And even if that were not so, why kill a rock star that you can just as easily disable through drugs and publicity? Shoot, why should any powerful and organized conspiracy kill JFK when he could have been ruined politically simply by disclosure of his extramarital affairs? And if you wanted to kill him, why do it in as open and as grotesque a manner as gunfire in front of thousands of witnesses? Why not just have a bimbo lure him into a hotel room and slip something into his drink?
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Post by thisone on Sept 14, 2009 6:58:49 GMT -5
Just noticed this....
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Post by Jude on Sept 14, 2009 8:38:48 GMT -5
And if you wanted to kill him, why do it in as open and as grotesque a manner as gunfire in front of thousands of witnesses? Why not just have a bimbo lure him into a hotel room and slip something into his drink? Because by doing it in public you're actually making it seem less likely that there was a conspiracy. It's always the "quiet" deaths that yield the most believable conspiracy theories in my opinion. Take Marilyn Monroe, for example. While the fact that she was found nude certainly didn't help, it was the fact that she died without a single witness that prompted tales of murder cover-up. An even better example would be any number of rock stars who have died of drug overdose or otherwise unnatural causes: Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, Kurt Cobain, etc.. By the way, I've devised a conspiracy theory that pertains to how Linda McCartney really died. I personally don't believe it, but others might. Maybe I'll make a video about it, or post it here sometime.
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Post by 65if2007 on Sept 14, 2009 10:57:36 GMT -5
And if you wanted to kill him, why do it in as open and as grotesque a manner as gunfire in front of thousands of witnesses? Why not just have a bimbo lure him into a hotel room and slip something into his drink? Because by doing it in public you're actually making it seem less likely that there was a conspiracy. Actually, you're causing great excitement and inevitably inviting tales of second and third gunmen -- which, in fact, is what happened here. If you actually are using second and third gunmen -- which I don't think happened here, but if you are using them -- you are running the risk of them being spotted. You are also risking everything on the gunman's ability -- which also includes extraneous factors such as something blocking his target. In his fanciful tale of having been the gunman on the grassy knoll, James Files says that he and his cohorts were under orders from Onassis to make sure that nothing happened to Jackie and that it was a pretty tough order to hit JFK in the head while she was draped over him. Fancifiul as Files's tale is, it does highlight one difficulty inherent in any conspiracy theory. I don't believe that tales of murder/cover up circulated very widely at the time -- in 1962. It was after the political assassinations of the 1960's that conspiracy theories in general -- including that one -- became in vogue. I'm actually not aware of any conspiracy theories surrounding any of them. What could be more natural than that a rock star would die of a drug overdose? I think that there was speculation at the time as to the exact nature of her death, and I seem to remember some cartoonist at the time from either the San Francisco Chronicle or Examiner whimsically drawing a cartoon showing Linda superimposed over the Abbey Road cover while journalists puzzled themselves over the clues contained therein.
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Post by 8749 on Sept 14, 2009 17:38:03 GMT -5
The late Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat resembled Ringo. The Middle East has little Ringo look-alikes running all over it. So if they wanted to replace Ringo, it wouldn't have been difficult to do.
I always thought John's voice was exceptional until I heard Julian Lennon and some of the tribute bands. Again, if modern technology is improved from 1969, the sites I listed on this thread on 9/11 would provide a way to technologically pin down differences in Faul's and Paul's voices. Is anyone willing to try those programs and compare?
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Post by JoJo on Sept 14, 2009 17:42:55 GMT -5
About Lennon, one could debate motive, some would say TPTB foresaw John becoming politically active at a time when that would become troublesome to those about to take power. Or not.. But talking about motive is putting the cart before the horse IMO, better to discuss the actual events. invanddis.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=john&action=display&thread=889&page=2#72394Now, I admit all we have here is a crudely drawn diagram with a bullet path that seems unlikely. What I'd REALLY like to see is a picture of those three bullet holes in the glass door. I believe S. Astucia claims the holes were tightly grouped. Would that be likely from a gun fired to the left, which means they would have to ricochet off the wall and travel to the door.. Pretty lucky!
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Post by 65if2007 on Sept 15, 2009 2:40:36 GMT -5
The late Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat resembled Ringo. The Middle East has little Ringo look-alikes running all over it. So if they wanted to replace Ringo, it wouldn't have been difficult to do. Did Yasser Arafat impersonate Ringo Starr (complete with Liverpudlian accent) before or after Don Knotts impersonated Brian Epstein?
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Post by GN on Sept 15, 2009 3:37:42 GMT -5
I'm not so sure about the title songs of either, particularly MMT. You are right about the first song of the project, Plastic Paul.. Your mother should know. MMT was released in a DOUBLE disk.
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Post by GN on Sept 15, 2009 4:00:53 GMT -5
Nobody replaced Ringo, sheesh! There has never been more than one nose like that in the entire history of the world. One or maybe two replacements of Paul McCartney for the purpose of keeping the Beatles and/or the McCartney mystique alive? Faintly conceivable. Wholesale replacements of every member of the most talented and the most prominent rock band in the history of the world for the purpose of satisfying some vague undefined objectives of mythical Illuminati overlords? Tinfoil hat territory. Ringo was the ONLY Beatles to be OFFICIALLY replaced. Jimmy Nichols replaced Ringo. www.itnsource.com/compilations/entertainment/musicandradio/?lr=S16110603See clip 24 of 113 ( Clip Ref: S16110603 1 40715 ) Jimmy didn't work as look so it was decided that a lookalike had to replaced Ringo. He was "Billy Shears" A day in the life Tara came after Billy Shears
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Post by Dirk Diggler on Sept 15, 2009 4:39:06 GMT -5
;D Gotta love GN posts!!
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Post by Jude on Sept 15, 2009 8:33:11 GMT -5
GN, what I find funny about your TRR (Tara Replaced Ringo) theory is that while Ringo was an excellent drummer, considered second best in Liverpool to Best in Liverpool (get it?), Tara was not known to have any musical skill to speak of.
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Post by 8749 on Sept 15, 2009 17:22:20 GMT -5
The late Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat resembled Ringo. The Middle East has little Ringo look-alikes running all over it. So if they wanted to replace Ringo, it wouldn't have been difficult to do. Did Yasser Arafat impersonate Ringo Starr (complete with Liverpudlian accent) before or after Don Knotts impersonated Brian Epstein? I was talking hypothetically, 65if2007. I think Ringo was in the group until it folded.
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Post by revolver on Sept 16, 2009 19:56:42 GMT -5
The late Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat resembled Ringo. The Middle East has little Ringo look-alikes running all over it. So if they wanted to replace Ringo, it wouldn't have been difficult to do. Did Yasser Arafat impersonate Ringo Starr (complete with Liverpudlian accent) before or after Don Knotts impersonated Brian Epstein? It was just after Ed Sullivan was hired to impersonate Richard Nixon.
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Post by 65if2007 on Sept 17, 2009 1:52:51 GMT -5
Did Yasser Arafat impersonate Ringo Starr (complete with Liverpudlian accent) before or after Don Knotts impersonated Brian Epstein? It was just after Ed Sullivan was hired to impersonate Richard Nixon. Rich Little did it better. Rather ungrateful of John to be so hostile to the president who introduced him to America in February 1964.
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Post by KHAN on Oct 10, 2009 12:59:55 GMT -5
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Post by faulguy on Oct 11, 2009 17:24:17 GMT -5
When you review old interview footage from the mid-60's it becomes clear there was a double in the fold.
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Post by Kublai on Oct 12, 2009 17:03:36 GMT -5
I don't get what this has to do with the topic
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Post by 65if2007 on Oct 12, 2009 20:37:52 GMT -5
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Post by thisone on Oct 12, 2009 21:45:18 GMT -5
Oh jolly good! Kublai - Khan en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kubla_KhanIn Xanadu did Kubla Khan A stately pleasure-dome decree : Where Alph, the sacred river, ran Through caverns measureless to man Down to a sunless sea. So twice five miles of fertile ground With walls and towers were girdled round : And there were gardens bright with sinuous rills, Where blossomed many an incense-bearing tree ; And here were forests ancient as the hills, Enfolding sunny spots of greenery. But oh ! that deep romantic chasm which slanted Down the green hill athwart a cedarn cover ! A savage place ! as holy and enchanted As e'er beneath a waning moon was haunted By woman wailing for her demon-lover ! And from this chasm, with ceaseless turmoil seething, As if this earth in fast thick pants were breathing, A mighty fountain momently was forced : Amid whose swift half-intermitted burst Huge fragments vaulted like rebounding hail, Or chaffy grain beneath the thresher's flail : And 'mid these dancing rocks at once and ever It flung up momently the sacred river. Five miles meandering with a mazy motion Through wood and dale the sacred river ran, Then reached the caverns measureless to man, And sank in tumult to a lifeless ocean : And 'mid this tumult Kubla heard from far Ancestral voices prophesying war ! The shadow of the dome of pleasure Floated midway on the waves ; Where was heard the mingled measure From the fountain and the caves. It was a miracle of rare device, A sunny pleasure-dome with caves of ice ! A damsel with a dulcimer In a vision once I saw : It was an Abyssinian maid, And on her dulcimer she played, Singing of Mount Abora. Could I revive within me Her symphony and song, To such a deep delight 'twould win me, That with music loud and long, I would build that dome in air, That sunny dome ! those caves of ice ! And all who heard should see them there, And all should cry, Beware ! Beware ! His flashing eyes, his floating hair ! Weave a circle round him thrice, And close your eyes with holy dread, For he on honey-dew hath fed, And drunk the milk of Paradise.
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Post by jarvitronics on Jan 29, 2010 13:50:35 GMT -5
If he really wants to prepare the world for a "revelation" there are better ways to do it than with viral videos, memorabilia-filled briefcases placed in remote locations <snip> Speaking of briefcases, here is an image of John heaping a shovel load of pasta for Aunt Jessie, who is having a bad dream about dining with Buster Bloodvessel. As we know, Buster thinks he is the courier. In Portuguese a briefcase is called a 'pasta-couro'. Shovel is 'pá'. So the concepts of shovel, John, pasta, and courier can be wordplay 'ported' to say: Papa John briefcase. (Buster was 99.44% played by Ivor Cutler. A soap impression. APollo puns everywhere!) -j
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Post by iameye on Jan 29, 2010 17:46:03 GMT -5
PA If he really wants to prepare the world for a "revelation" there are better ways to do it than with viral videos, memorabilia-filled briefcases placed in remote locations ≪snip> Speaking of briefcases, here is an image of John heaping a shovel load of pasta for Aunt Jessie, who is having a bad dream about dining with Buster Blood vessel. As we know, Buster thinks he is the courier. In Portuguese a briefcase is called a 'pasta-Cori'. Shovel is 'pá'. So the concepts of shovel, John, pasta, and courier can be wordplay 'ported' to say: Papa John briefcase. (Buster was 99.44% played by Ivor Cutler. A soap impressionApollolo puns everywhere!) -j www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oLf15crdboThe nightmare was the spaghetti was totally over cooked! or not even cooked! Something was really wrong with that pasta!
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Post by jarvitronics on Jul 30, 2010 14:04:31 GMT -5
If he really wants to prepare the world for a "revelation" there are better ways to do it than with viral videos, memorabilia-filled briefcases placed in remote locations <snip> Speaking of briefcases, here is an image of John heaping a shovel load of pasta for Aunt Jessie, who is having a bad dream about dining with Buster Bloodvessel. As we know, Buster thinks he is the courier. In Portuguese a briefcase is called a 'pasta-couro'. Shovel is 'pá'. So the concepts of shovel, John, pasta, and courier can be wordplay 'ported' to say: Papa John briefcase. (Buster was 99.44% played by Ivor Cutler. A soap impression. APollo puns everywhere!) -j Papa briefcase: Baghdad. -j
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Post by iameye on Jul 31, 2010 7:44:47 GMT -5
Speaking of briefcases, here is an image of John heaping a shovel load of pasta for Aunt Jessie, who is having a bad dream about dining with Buster Bloodvessel. As we know, Buster thinks he is the courier. In Portuguese a briefcase is called a 'pasta-couro'. Shovel is 'pá'. So the concepts of shovel, John, pasta, and courier can be wordplay 'ported' to say: Papa John briefcase. (Buster was 99.44% played by Ivor Cutler. A soap impression. APollo puns everywhere!) -j Papa briefcase: Baghdad. -j Pa Pa Pa Pa Pa Pa Pa Pa Pa Pa Pa Pa Pa Pa Pa Pa Pa Pa Pa Pa Pa Pa Pa Pa Pa Pa See how they run! outside www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oLf15crdboinside www.mojvideo.com/video-u2-beautiful-day/3785cab98e8d0180d978
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Post by B on Jul 31, 2010 8:03:59 GMT -5
Pa Pa Pa Pa Pa Pa Pa Pa Pa Pa Pa Pa Psycho killer, qu'est ce que c'est?
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