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Post by Doc on Sept 19, 2009 23:22:58 GMT -5
Here's a little something to think about: Why would the singer be "fated to telling only lies"? Maybe this will help ya, B.... fate c.1374, from L. fata, neut. pl. of fatum "thing spoken (by the gods), one's destiny," from neut. pp. of fari "to speak," from PIE *bha- "speak" (see fame). The L. sense evolution is from "sentence of the Gods" (Gk. theosphaton), subsequently "lot, portion" (Gk. moira, personified as a goddess in Homer), later "one of the three goddesses (Clotho, Lachesis, and Atropos) who determined the course of a human life." Its' TIME for the WHEEL of life to be spun by the Empress of the World. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carmina_Burana_(Orff)O Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi (Fortune, Empress of the World) O Fortuna velut luna statu variabilis, semper crescis aut decrescis; vita detestabilis nunc obdurat et tunc curat ludo mentis aciem, egestatem, potestatem dissolvit ut glaciem. Sors immanis et inanis, rota tu volubilis, status malus, vana salus semper dissolubilis, obumbrata et velata michi quoque niteris; nunc per ludum dorsum nudum fero tui sceleris. Sors salutis et virtutis michi nunc contraria, est affectus et defectus semper in angaria. Hac in hora sine mora corde pulsum tangite; quod per sortem sternit fortem, mecum omnes plangite! and in English: O Fortune,like the moon you are changeable, ever waxing and waning; hateful life first oppresses and then soothes as fancy takes it; poverty and power, it melts them like ice. Fate, monstrous and empty, you turning wheel, you are malevolent, your favor is idle and always fades, shadowed, veiled, you plague me too. I bare my back for the sport of your wickedness. In prosperity or in virtue fate is against me, Both in passion and in weakness fate always enslaves us. So at this hour pluck the vibrating strings; because fate brings down even the strong, everyone weep with me. And singer Kay STARR had this to say: The wheel of fortune Goes spinning around Will the arrow point my way? Will this be my day? Oh, wheel of fortune Please don't pass me by Let me know the magic of A kiss and a sigh While the wheel is spining, spinning, spinning I'll not dream of winning fortune or fame While the wheel is turning, turning, turning I'll be yearning, yearning For love's precious flame Oh, wheel of fortune I'm hoping somehow If you ever smile on me Please let it be now While the wheel is spining, spinning, spinning I'll not dream of winning fortune or fame While the wheel is turning, turning, turning I'll be yearning, yearning For love's precious flame Oh, wheel of fortune I'm hoping somehow If you ever smile on me Please let it be now. Spinning wheel.......
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Post by Doc on Sept 19, 2009 23:39:18 GMT -5
O Fortuna is sung as a majestic--but dark----invocation to goddess of fate, or, in Latin, the Empress of the World itself. In case you don't know which overused piece of classical music it is (though I still love it), here is the famous opening, heard in many many TV commercials and imitated in a dozen horror movies: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Carl_Orff-Carmina_Burana-O_Fortuna.oggHere are a few cultural uses of this powerful piece: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Orff%27s_O_Fortuna_in_popular_cultureBut Billy Strayhorn said it in the 40's like this, with hip, contemporary (for the times) jazz inflections: used to visit all the very gay places those come what may places where one relaxes on the axis of the wheel of life to get the feel of life from jazz and cocktailsthe girls i knew had sad and sullen gray faces with distant gay traces that used to be there you could see where they'd been washed away by too many through the day twelve o'clocktails then you came along with your siren's song to tempt me to madness i thought for a while that your pointed smile was tinged with the sadness of a great love for me ah yes i was wrong again i was wrong life is lonely again and only last year everything seemed so assured now life is awful again and the thoughtful of heart could only be a bore a week in paris will ease the bite of it all i care is to smile in spite of it i'll forget you i will and yet you are still burning inside my brain romance is mush stifling those who strive i'll live a lush life in some small dive and there i'll be while i rot with the rest of those whose lives are lonely too
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Post by jarvitronics on Sept 20, 2009 0:26:21 GMT -5
O Fortuna is sung as a majestic--but dark----invocation to goddess of fate, or, in Latin, the Empress of the World itself. In case you don't know which overused piece of classical music it is (though I still love it), here is the famous opening, heard in many many TV commercials and imitated in a dozen horror movies: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Carl_Orff-Carmina_Burana-O_Fortuna.oggFor those without a plugin that plays OGG files... Breathtaking! Majestic! Parfunk! -j
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Post by jarvitronics on Sept 20, 2009 0:42:36 GMT -5
Its' TIME for the WHEEL of life to be spun by the Empress of the World. This is the wheel of Mainz: This wheel is often associated with the office of Archbishop of Mainz, which is the only office besides the papacy that carries the title, 'Holy See.' Interestingly, Saint Boniface (purported inventor of the Christmas tree) was Archbishop of Mainz from 745-755. The highest point on the Isle of Wight is called Saint Boniface Down. (face down hehehe.) The Wheel of Mainz is also associated with Saint Martin, the Bishop of Tours. -j
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Post by iameye on Sept 20, 2009 7:37:35 GMT -5
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Post by B on Sept 20, 2009 11:25:32 GMT -5
Here's another piece of the puzzle for you.The Time Has Come (the Walrus said... )www.answers.com/topic/the-time-has-come-rhythm-blues-album"Release Date: 1967 11 This, the Chambers Brothers' coming-of-age record, was a well-timed and even better executed exercise in modern record-making.... Having demo-ed a slightly demented song that year called "Time Has Come Today," the group entered the studio with producer David Rubinson, who was fresh from some critical acclaim after recording Moby Grape. The resulting album and subsequent title track hit were huge successes...." "Time Has Come Today" The Chambers Brothers Time has come today Young hearts can go their way Can't put it off another day I don't care what others say They say we don't listen anyway Time has come today (Hey) Oh The rules have changed today (Hey) I have no place to stay (Hey) I'm thinking about the subway (Hey) My love has flown away (Hey) My tears have come and gone (Hey) Oh my Lord, I have to roam (Hey) I have no home (Hey) I have no home (Hey) Now the time has come (Time) There's no place to run (Time) I might get burned up by the sun (Time) But I had my fun (Time) I've been loved and put aside (Time) I've been crushed by the tumbling tide (Time) And my soul has been psychedelicized (Time) (Time) Now the time has come (Time) There are things to realize (Time) Time has come today (Time) Time has come today (Time) Time [x11] Oh Now the time has come (Time) There's no place to run (Time) I might get burned up by the sun (Time) But I had my fun (Time) I've been loved and put aside (Time) I've been crushed by tumbling tide (Time) And my soul has been psychedelicized (Time) (Time) Now the time has come (Time) There are things to realize (Time) Time has come today (Time) Time has come today (Time) Time [x4] Yeah ---------- The Ram_ones did it too. (Watch carefully!)
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Post by B on Sept 22, 2009 9:32:54 GMT -5
It's funny, really, when you think about it, that records look like an eye. 45s more than 33s. Have a look see. A 'hole'-y see. It's "on the record". Records: a sea of holes. The Reflections - (Just Like) Romeo & J..."Our love's gonna be written down in history Just like Romeo and Juliet"Findin' a job tomorrow mornin' Got a little somethin' I wanna do Gonna buy (gonna buy) somethin' I could ride in A-Take my girl (take my girl) datin' at the drive-in Our love's gonna be written down in history[glow=red,2,300]Just like Romeo and Juliet[/glow] I'm gonna buy her pretty presents Just like the ones in a catalog Gonna show (gonna show) how much I love her Let her know (let her know) one way or the other Our love's gonna be written down in history[glow=green,2,300]Just like Romeo and Juliet[/glow] (Ooh-ooh-oop) (Dooo, doot, doot, doot, doot, doot, doot, doo-doop) [glow=Gold,2,300]Just Like Romeo and Juliet Just Like Romeo and Juliet Just Like Romeo and Juliet Just Like Romeo and Juliet[/glow] Talk about love and romance Just wait 'til I get myself straight I'm gonna put Romeo's fame Right smack-dab on a dateAh, all right, now, I'm speculatin' Wonder what tomorrow's gonna really bring (tomorrow never knows)If I don't (if I don't) find work tomorrow It's gonna be (gonna be) heartaches 'n' sorrow Our love's gonna be destroyed like a tragedy [glow=blue,2,300]Just like Romeo and Juliet[/glow] (Ooh-ooh-oop) (Dooo, doot, doot, doot, doot, doot, doot, doo-doop) [glow=Gold,2,300]Just like Romeo and Juliet A-Just like Romeo and Juliet A-Just like Romeo and Juliet (Just like Romeo and Juliet) (Just like Romeo and Juliet) (Just like Romeo and Juliet) (Just like Romeo and Juliet)[/glow] P.S. For extra credit, look who wrote the song: T. WilliamS and R. Wylie ;D about that record label.... LANA Lang[/color] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lana_Lang
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Post by jarvitronics on Sept 22, 2009 13:17:36 GMT -5
A golden egg leyed by a little red hen:
But don't look at me...
-j
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Post by iameye on Sept 22, 2009 14:29:10 GMT -5
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Post by iameye on Sept 22, 2009 14:43:07 GMT -5
A golden egg leyed by a little red hen: But don't look at me... -j So I might steal your diamonds ... I'll ... bring you back some gold
pretty good one w/ the wheel of fortune ad there, LOL! ;D
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Post by jarvitronics on Sept 22, 2009 16:08:34 GMT -5
Fiction is lifer than strange... Charlotte's Templeton (Car lot's web...the car, 'e be white...it's a gas gas gas!): Charlotte Temple's Tome (And Lucy Temple, one of the Three Orphans, wherein Lady Mary, destitute children at her feet, wonders how they manage to make ends meet. Later Proud Mary slips out the back door in the middle of the night, leaving only a letter. Alas, at least Aura finds true love): Cat and Kittens, by Lucy Vere Temple: Vere of course being either "truth," or a play on "green," depending on how you want to grok the root. In the case of "green" we might think of Arable land, and Ferns or firs: Vere could also be a play on veer, as in cars, or going off in the wrong direction...which brings us back to green... ;D -j
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Post by B on Sept 22, 2009 18:41:38 GMT -5
I have worked all afternoon trying to post a new segment for this thread, only to have the cat delete it the first time, and my computer crash the second. Let's hope the third time is the charm.
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Post by iameye on Sept 22, 2009 18:47:09 GMT -5
I have worked all afternoon trying to post a new segment for this thread, only to have the cat delete it the first time, Perhaps the cat was trying to tell you something, B ;D Give paws?
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Post by jarvitronics on Sept 22, 2009 19:23:44 GMT -5
I have worked all afternoon trying to post a new segment for this thread, only to have the cat delete it the first time, Perhaps the cat was trying to tell you something, B ;D Give paws? "Brown paper bags for Sgt. Pepper!" --Brian Epstein Compare to Electric Arguments: -j
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Post by B on Sept 22, 2009 20:25:24 GMT -5
This isn't really where I had intended to go next, but it is a good place to go, for where we're going. ;D
Please take the time to watch this. It is pure gold, imo. If thou believest that the illuminists are required to show thee their wiles and ways, or even if thou doubtest it much, what is presented here portrays well many concepts related to time, and the ways of those accostumed to galavanting about in it. Moreover it doth touch upon key elements of the Magical Mystery itself, some of 'witch' will resonate with you long after you've seen it. Much of what is represented is factual, in a manner of speaking, though the play presented as "Love's Labors Won" is more akin to "Macca-beth" than its name's sake.
(Running time about 43 minutes)(Click on bottom for follow up videos)
Doctor Who Shakespeare Code part 1
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Post by Doc on Sept 22, 2009 23:47:38 GMT -5
From a raving religious writer: But let's not just stay on earth, nor even in the Solar System: let's examine our entire Galaxy, the multitude of stars which form the Milky Way. There are at least thirty billion stars in this one galaxy, which is shaped like a bi-convex lens. Our own Sun is one of the minor stars in this system, and its position is about 2/3 of the way out toward one edge of the Galaxy. We are some 30,000 light years away from the center of the Galaxy. Since one light-year is about 5,870,000,000,000 miles, our distance from the center of the Galaxy, being 30,000 times this much, is far more than one sextillion miles---in numerals it is 1,761 followed by 15 zeros. The entire Galaxy, this vast lens-shaped mass of stars, rotates around its collective center of gravity, the whole Galaxy making one rotation in about 200 million years. The center of gravity of the Galaxy Is marked by the star Alcyone, which is the brightest star in the constellation Pleiades. Now, considering that this is nearly two sex tillion miles away from us, it was not easy to get acquainted with it, and our knowledge on the subject came within the lifetime of men still alive. Yet, in Job 38:31, God asks Job, "Canst thou bind the sweet influence of Pleiades?" Yes, it is a "sweet influence", for it keeps us on our course, instead of wandering aimlessly through space until we would collide with some mighty solar system. It is also worth noting that the Hebrew word for "Pleiades"--- kee-maw"---also means "Pivot" or hinge". I guess that we will have to admit that God is pretty much up-to-date, after all.Too religiousy? Well, I would like to think that Our Creator also has the Cosmic Wheels running up to Code.
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Post by jarvitronics on Sept 22, 2009 23:54:13 GMT -5
Well, I would like to think that Our Creator also has the Cosmic Wheels running up to Code. Oh the sync! Scarcely twenty minutes have passed since I finished watching this flick: -j P.S. Doc has wisdom beyond Comparet...
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Post by B on Sept 23, 2009 12:53:58 GMT -5
1,761 followed by 15 zeros 1,761,000,000,000,000,000 just had to see ;D In the movie Ground Hog Day, Bill Murray finds himself trapped in time, living the same day over and over again: Ground Hog Day. Making the best of the situation, he decides to pursue his love interest, Andie MacDowell. Day after day, - or rather - Ground Hog Day after Ground Hog Day, he learns from his mistakes how to please her, until he gets it right, at which point time resumes for him. One of the funnier moments of the film is when he realizes that no matter what he does, he can't die, because he always wakes up in bed the next morning on Ground Hog Day, so he challenges death by driving off a cliff, into an approaching train, and so on, with no fear of dying. On the "stair case" of time, he stays on the same step, again and again and again. Our lives are a series of days, but still, on the "stair case of time" they are a relatively small space. A small space in the spiral of time. If Bill Murray was stuck in a certain space in time, and couldn't progress, he could be considered "dead" in terms of time, because he wasn't progressing up the stairway. Once he won over Andie MacDowell, he became "undead" to time though; he was able to continue. The film sort of is a play on the old adage: Time waits for no one. Time waited for Bill Murray, 'til he was ready to move on. Tom Waits For No OneIn our speculations about Paul (dead or alive) we seem to have multiple endings. He blew his mind out in a car. He was in a car crash, and he lost his hair. He went insane. He was shot down in a plane, and suffered brain damage. He wasn't really dead. He was shot into space. He hung out with Charlie Manson. and etc. and so on, and so on. Isn't he a bit like you and me? Maybe Paul, like Bill Murray in the movie Ground Hog Day, lived his life over and over again 'til he got it right. Maybe that's what all of us do. Maybe that's what all the 'dead men' do. The key to Bill Murray's moving on in time was to master his love affair with Andie MacDowell. He had to learn the lessons of love before he could move on up the spiral staircase of time, but remember, the goal is to get to the top of the stairs, and be able then to transcend time. It would seem that the key to getting up the stairs is to tune into love. To "transcend time"? That's a bit too "Hindu" for most of us. Perhaps I should have said it differently. We've heard of time as "Father time". One could consider 'transcending' time as being in the body of time, but moving freely; no longer being bound to particular segments of it. No longer being limited to certain parts of the stairway, but moving freely through the hole in the center, and disembarking where 'in time' one chooses. Being time travellers, then. If time is a "father" to us all, as we grow in love, then we become him/it as we exist in it. It is part of you. Hmmm. Ground Hog Day was directed by HAROLD RAMIS. RAH IS OLD RAM
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Post by jarvitronics on Sept 23, 2009 14:49:49 GMT -5
In Groundhog day Phil Conners (Bill Murray) learns how to play the piano. The song he plays, Rhapsody on a Theme of Paganini, was prominent in this film: Here is a clip of Phil Connors playing the piano. At 0:52 he begins playing the time song for his love: -j
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Post by B on Sept 23, 2009 18:54:30 GMT -5
The idea of "getting it right", and having multiples of the same life to do so, let alone past lives and future lives, opens the door to a number of considerations. For instance, could somebody else have the chance to live your life if you didn't want to do it anymore? Would they really be you? If "the walrus was Paul" in one life, could he have been John "I am the walrus" in another? Or, to put it into perspective, could both John and Paul have been "the walrus" in different lives, (whoever the walrus was)? Is the life we live one play, with multiple possible outcomes? If someone came down the hole (the rabbit hole) in the middle of the time stairway, and watched multiple lives of you, on your portion of the stairs, trying different ways to live it, wouldn't they see you "here, there, and everywhere"? They might see you married to Darlene in one life, and Maybelle in another. In one life you might have chosen to own a blue Ford, while in another a red Toyota. That might be the only change you made in your whole life! And yet it would be different than a life parallel to it in your space in time. If, as P(D)enny La(i)ne mentioned, you "Play the game existance to the end", then is your life just a game; a role in a play that takes place in a world where nothing is really real, in the sense that it's all just "a play" into which you are born? Was Shakespeare right when he wrote: And all our yesterdays have lighted fools the way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle! Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player That struts and frets his hour upon the stage, And then is heard no more. It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing." Or, to put it in a more Bohemian fashion: Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? It might be meaningless, were it not for the lessons learned by the soul in each attempt to "get it right". But then: does the soul live outside of time? It would have to in order to have the chance to "repeat third grade" repeatedly. Or at least, it would have to have a place to abide outside of linear Earth time, which is, in fact, not linear. So, in any case, someone like Karen Carpenter, who perhaps didn't "get it right" when she succumbed to anorexia nervosa, might have a chance to live her life in 'yesterday' once more. Again and again apparently. But I am just using that as an example, and I don't claim to know that she didn't get things "right" in terms of what her life's (soul's) purpose was about. If you were living life attempt number 16, and you were 20 years old, and someone from the rabbit hole stepped into your life who had met you during your life attempt number 15 when you were 40, to them you would be Younger than Yesterday, if they had met you the day before (in their time) in that other life. <---"Younger Than Yesterday"(There are 2 of each!)If you could actually remember to your previous attempt at life, you might say to that person, "Ah, but I was so much older then; I'm younger than that now!" OR If someone met you in your current life at age 40, and then they met you back when you were 15, you might say to them, "I met you when I was 40!", if, somehow, you could remember into the future, but that doesn't seem likely (that you would). Unless, you actually did, and then you would be considered prophetic. Except that what you might actually be remembering would be what might have happened the last time you lived your life, in which case it was "the past" even though that time of reference was in the future of your current life. This is why prophecy can be a bit tricky. A vision of "the future" might, in fact, be a vision of what was the future in the past. So "Tomorrow Never Knows!" Which is to say: You never really know what will be. In any case, someone who was able to go through time, and meet you both at age 15 and 40 might ask you this question: How Can You Be in Two Places at Once When You're Not Anywhere at All? OK, enough of this. (For now. ;D) [glow=Orange,2,300]Ahem![/glow] I said, someone who was able to go through time might ask you.... ;D
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Post by thisone on Sept 23, 2009 19:12:35 GMT -5
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Post by thisone on Sept 23, 2009 19:27:35 GMT -5
"Our lives are a series of days, but still, on the "stair case of time" they are a relatively small space. A small space in the spiral of time. "
When I get to the bottom I go back to the top of the slide Where I stop and turn and I go for a ride Till I get to the bottom and I see you again
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Post by jarvitronics on Sept 23, 2009 19:53:24 GMT -5
The idea of "getting it right", and having multiples of the same life to do so, let alone past lives and future lives, opens the door to a number of considerations. A poem I love: Candle in the dark Candle in the dark Say a prayer for everyone with scars Vigil in the night Vigil in the night Venerate the souls who still can't get it right
Bless the broken Bless the unsure God bless me! God bless me!
Whisper on the sea Whisper on the sea Wave goodbye and crash into the beach Paper on the heart Paper on the heart Tape it shut and keep it safe from harm
Bless the reckless Bless the insecure Bless the nameless Bless the unknown Bless the wandering Bless the stained and hopeful God bless me! God bless me!
--Anon-j
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Post by B on Sept 23, 2009 21:32:12 GMT -5
thisone wrote: "Our lives are a series of days, but still, on the "stair case of time" they are a relatively small space. A small space in the spiral of time. "
When I get to the bottom I go back to the top of the slide Where I stop and turn and I go for a ride Till I get to the bottom and I see you again Yes, but remember, he's the backwards traveller! (see reply #10) He starts at the top of the stairs. So he's telling you that he's already done it, but he comes back in time, again and again and again to help out 'the stragglers' who are still stuck on the stairway (to 'heaven', btw) who are trying to "get it right" 'this time'. Of course, you're not really "at the bottom" in time, but he had to use words to convey the idea. Do you remember that there was someone named "former" in the Rotten Apple videos, or some associated with them? That person, whoever he is, may have been someone who formerly was on the stairway, and now is not. Someone who can move through time freely. So, there may be people among us who are not as they seem. Remember the woman in "Help!" who says that? "No reason to get excited," the thief he kindly spoke. "There are many here among us, who feel that life is but a joke, (some of the people on the stairway)but uh - But you and I, we've been through that! And this is not our fate, So let us not talk falsely now; The hour's getting lateUm, yes, very late indeed, as a matter of fact, I suspect. Dr. Van de Meer predicts monetary collapse of US starting on September 30tharticle available here: benjaminfulford.typepad.com/benjaminfulford/2009/09/updated-and-expanded-dr-van-de-meer-predicts-monetary-collapse-of-us-starting-on-september-30th.htmlwhich is one reason I have been so frantically trying to get the information on this thread out. I feel as if I'm racing against time, which is impossible, of course, but the reality is that we may not be having time for leisurely internet chats about the nature of time in a while. Not that I'm trying to be an alarmist, or anything. ;D Better send out an SOS. Hmmm. What was that in Magical Mystery Tour about a "great race"?
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Post by B on Sept 24, 2009 0:00:45 GMT -5
jarvitronics wrote: Paper on the heart Paper on the heart Tape it shut and keep it safe from harmAh yes... the heart. Tape it shut? I don't know about that.... Keep it safe from harm - yes, that's a good idea. But if you wrap it in paper, will you hear what it has to say? I mean, aren't you supposed to listen to your heart? ♫ "make up your mind, make up your mind laurie laurie dear make up your own, make up your own story, laurie dear old pharaoh's daughter won't tell you what do do but your heart whatever it tells you will be true" ♫ All this talk of pharaohs and Egypt and dreams! Holy Horus! They were doing that w-a-a-a-a-y back in the 1943!? Imagine!So, in the play Oklahoma! at least, listening to one's heart is advice that goes back to antiquity! Seems that old heart must have been talking for a very long time! All the way down to "the bottom" of time. Or at least, "the bottom" of the ride that Faul takes. But there's no doubt that the heart must have a voice. In fact, you may have heard it yourself! (Karen is a friend of mine. ;D) Ahh, the tales it could tell. What Poetry that would be! Oh, there's 'a tale' all right. One for the ages.
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