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Post by thisone on Sept 30, 2009 21:45:09 GMT -5
Was it filmed backways? I always get feeling too when I see "Your mother should know".
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Post by Doc on Sept 30, 2009 23:32:35 GMT -5
Yeah, the guys with their heads down are definitely Holly and Juber. What the hell? Remember, James Paul would have twelve to thirteen years on him at this point. We have what may be a picture of him in 1968. We have what may be a picture of him in the early-to-mid '80s. This might be the first "bridge" we have for the '70s, and I think his appearance would fit that. Still, he's playing right handed. Unless the entire picture is reversed, then it's not him. The picture isn't flipped because the orientation of the piano. When seated at a grand piano, the curved side is always on the right side of the player's body. Also, Bill is playing the string bass the correct way for a left handed person, which he could have mastered faking by then. OK or else he is truly left handed. Or a talented bi-dex-ual. So whoever is sitting there is in real time, holding a guitar like a right handed man. Or woman. Not like a woman, but woman can hold it the same way. But not like a man. Except, I mean, as a woman would so would a man, but Paul is not holding it like a woman, but more like a man. Not that that is any better or any different from a woman, or a child. Or a monk. I'm sorry monks! The picture is oriented correctly; Paul is seen there is the correct orientation he was expressing at the time. Not that that ever changed, er, in the main. I mean, any orientation he was having at the moment was fine, however he felt to orient himself. I'm sorry orientals! I mean, asians! I mean.....
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Post by iameye on Oct 1, 2009 6:00:39 GMT -5
When the moon lays his head on a pillow And the stars settle down for a rest, Just do me one small favour, I beg you, Please play me my baby's request. It's the song that we heard when we started. Now the birds have all flown from our nest, But you could bring back mem'ries departed By playing my baby's request. My baby said that she knows how it goes But you're the one who really knows, So go ahead, just one more time and then we'll go to bed.
[solo]
But you could bring back mem'ries departed By playing my baby's request. My baby says she knows how it goes but you're the one that really knows. So go ahead, just one more time and then we'll go to bed. When the moon lays his head on a pillow And the star settles down for a rest, Just do me one small favour, I beg you, Please play me baby's request. Mh-hm, play me baby's request. Please! Play me my baby's request -- one more time.[/i]
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Post by il ras on Oct 1, 2009 6:19:32 GMT -5
I disagree with you guys
As I already said (sorry if I quote myself)
"Even if he's playing right-handed that isn't so important... Maybe he found Danny Laine's guitar and tried it."
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Oct 1, 2009 8:10:25 GMT -5
I disagree with you guys As I already said (sorry if I quote myself) "Even if he's playing right-handed that isn't so important... Maybe he found Danny Laine's guitar and tried it." I agree with il ras on this. I've worked with a right-handed musical genius who I've seen pick up a left-handed guitar and figure out a bunch of chords in minutes...
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Post by -Wings- on Oct 1, 2009 23:00:25 GMT -5
Well I'm probably one of the most ardent "there are two concurrent Pauls" drumbeaters, so understand that I'm not trying to write this off. In fact, I'm more inclined to say it is him rather than dispel it. After all, who else would be in a Wings studio session. Even those involved in the "Rockestra" sessions don't bear any resemblance to this guy.
It's just if he were playing it left-handed, it would be a slam dunk. The fact that he's not opens up all sorts of questions and keeps the perpetual question mark over things.
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Post by eyesbleed on Oct 2, 2009 8:13:50 GMT -5
When I saw the Fab 5 earlier this year, the guy in the Paul slot, an excellent musician & singer; played the left handed bass throughout the show, but at one point, the rest of the band took a short break & he grabbed a chair & a regular acoustic guitar, sat down & did a spot-on-perfect rendition of Blackbird playing right handed.
Anyway... interesting pic there il ras.... thanks for posting!
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Post by il ras on Oct 2, 2009 19:49:34 GMT -5
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Post by B on Oct 2, 2009 20:31:58 GMT -5
Video # 1 - Blackbird
Video # 2 Blackbird at the start
I think that what is happening with the "Blackbird" segment is that we are seeing actual footage of Paul, but certainly in the second YouTube footage above, the final version of the song, all polished, and possibly sung by Faul is being heard.
They show Paul, imo. It is very curious that the first video that Il Ras posted above:
ends with "Au Revoir" written on the apple. "Au Revoir" means "goodbye" in French. Perhaps the poster of the video knew that possibly the "Helter Skelter" being practiced above was the final performance of the real Paul.
Was that the point you were trying to make, Il Ras?
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Post by il ras on Oct 2, 2009 21:35:23 GMT -5
Was that the point you were trying to make, Il Ras? I wanted just to show another piece of that (don't know which one is yet) Paul as clearly Helter Skelter clip is from the same session of Blackbird. I added the other clip to cause I though it has better colors that the one previously posted. I don't think that "au revoir" can be a clue: it can be that the video is taken from a French show of the sixties but who knows...
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Post by Doc on Oct 3, 2009 5:50:04 GMT -5
When I saw the Fab 5 earlier this year, the guy in the Paul slot, an excellent musician & singer; played the left handed bass throughout the show, but at one point, the rest of the band took a short break & he grabbed a chair & a regular acoustic guitar, sat down & did a spot-on-perfect rendition of Blackbird playing right handed. Anyway... interesting pic there il ras.... thanks for posting! I am planning to see "Rain" next week. I'll take copious notes.
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Post by Doc on Oct 3, 2009 5:56:12 GMT -5
I disagree with you guys As I already said (sorry if I quote myself) "Even if he's playing right-handed that isn't so important... Maybe he found Danny Laine's guitar and tried it." I agree with il ras on this. I've worked with a right-handed musical genius who I've seen pick up a left-handed guitar and figure out a bunch of chords in minutes... I'm a pianist. I play all chord in all inversions in both hands. We have to. A pianist may be left or right handed, but when he sits down to play, he's really got to be ambidextrous. We practice evenness, balance, and coordination between the hands. sometimes we practice classical pieces this way, in bits and pieces; the left hand plays what is written for the right (down an octave or 2) while the right plays what is written for the left (up an octave or 2). It can be challenging but it can help! Why can't the strumming hand learn chord shapes, and the fret hand strum? Challenging, but can be done.
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Oct 3, 2009 9:18:13 GMT -5
I agree with il ras on this. I've worked with a right-handed musical genius who I've seen pick up a left-handed guitar and figure out a bunch of chords in minutes... I'm a pianist. I play all chord in all inversions in both hands. We have to. A pianist may be left or right handed, but when he sits down to play, he's really got to be ambidextrous. We practice evenness, balance, and coordination between the hands. sometimes we practice classical pieces this way, in bits and pieces; the left hand plays what is written for the right (down an octave or 2) while the right plays what is written for the left (up an octave or 2). It can be challenging but it can help! Why can't the strumming hand learn chord shapes, and the fret hand strum? Challenging, but can be done. Yes, it can be done, Doc. My specific point though, was that I believe it's much easier for people who are just naturally gifted, as opposed to us mortals who really have to work at it. I play guitar, but it's a monumentally difficult task for me to try to play even two consecutive chords left-handed. When the neck is backwards and the strings are upside down, it's quite a mindf*@k, unless the mathematical logic of musical instruments *just make sense* to you, like it does to my friend, and probably did/does to Paul McCartney.
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Post by il ras on Oct 3, 2009 17:17:28 GMT -5
PL, I'm just saying that (admitting for a second that he could be JPM) he could have found a guitar and wanted to try it.
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Post by Doc on Oct 4, 2009 1:58:14 GMT -5
PL, I'm just saying that (admitting for a second that he could be JPM) he could have found a guitar and wanted to try it. True. We don't have a record of the sound he was making! Splank! And, yes, PL, agreed. I find the "topography" and intervalic lay-out involved in creating even standard simple chords on guitar much less intuitive and generally harder to see than on the piano. Also, altering what you know as a lefty and trying to apply to a right handed guitar on the spot is a large challenge to all but the most gifted. Also, today, a guitarist I know explained the impracticality of a right hander, (which he is) turning a right hand guitar over to play left handed, is impractical in that attempting to form the chord with the wrong hand from under the fretboard can't work for obvious reasons, and trying to form them with the hand over the fretboard wouldn't work out too well. So, yep, it's nothing that even a average professional guitarist could pull of. And then there is Stanley Jordan. But that's a whole nuther thing.
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Post by ramone on Oct 20, 2009 10:52:58 GMT -5
The right handed guitar stuff doesn't bother me. He could be just messing around with the only guitar around. No big deal. To me him holding it as he is is more tell tale than anything. His right hand seems to be doing what a left hander might be doing under that circumstance - that is not looking like how a seasoned right hander would look - My brother is a guitarist and he doesn't hold his hand like that - that's for sure. He holds it in a specific way ready to pick and strum. I could be off on this, but the studio pic looks exactly like someone who's NOT used to strumming with that hand. Closer up: Could turn out it's another guy, but looking at this pic it's pretty close to dead-ringer - especially keeping in mind this wouldn't be a '65 Paul, but one with a few years on him.
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Post by -Wings- on Oct 20, 2009 18:02:09 GMT -5
There are numerous clues in the Wings material (and afterwards) that suggests that JPM was operating things behind the scenes as a songwriter.
He got what he wanted. He always said that he'd retire from performing after the bubble burst and become a songwriter. Well, the bubble never burst, so he decided to bring in someone to play him in public while he retreated behind the scenes.
No death. No ludicrous conspiracies. Just business.
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Post by ramone on Oct 23, 2009 19:23:45 GMT -5
I found these pics as a comparison. Oddly enough - right handed chips. But, he takes it in stride.
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Post by ramone on Oct 23, 2009 19:27:54 GMT -5
This 'open mouth' shot shows the way the hair grows - even how it grows fuller and starts a little wave in the back exactly like the wings shot.
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Post by ramone on Oct 23, 2009 19:33:39 GMT -5
Again, the hair growth virtually the same. Just cover the ears a bit. Even the way the hair tends to split at the forehead. That's John Lennon to his left. Yup, THE John Lennon. They played together.
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Post by ramone on Oct 23, 2009 19:44:41 GMT -5
And finally, This was actually brighter but I toned it down. Talk about the same features! Nose, mouth, chin, lashes, etc. Same distinctive sideburn - just add some hair across the ear and let his hair grow out some and you have the wings hair. (if someone knows how to do it go ahead) Don't forget to add some years (which seems to include a fuller face (and doesn't that happen to most of us))
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Post by ramone on Oct 23, 2009 21:37:25 GMT -5
(I caught the Ramona. lol) Thanks, but thanks to il ras and others.
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Post by -Wings- on Oct 23, 2009 23:34:36 GMT -5
The interior artwork of Back To The Egg: Follow the sun.
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Oct 25, 2009 12:02:32 GMT -5
(I caught the Ramona. lol) Thanks, but thanks to il ras and others. I wasn't wearing my glasses. While in England I was searching internet for PID and found website where people put together rows of pictures depending on hair separation from left to right or from right to left. Apparently this is steady feature through life. Starting since babyhood James Paul was wearing his hair with slight separation from left to right like on your pictures while Faul does the opposite. Too bad I did not save the website.
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Post by FP on Oct 25, 2009 22:15:17 GMT -5
Um... I can part my hair however I want. Come on, we're talking about hair, the most easily changeable feature ever. You think the people who "transformed" Faul gave him the correct freckles, flaws and wrinkles, but missed the hair?
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