The Hurricane Katrina Thread

[Doc]

I have just spent two hours watching coverage on CNN, this morning. I can not sleep now------the situation down there is grave and very little appears to be being done--particularly for the poor and indigent.
The conference center----15,000 people. 5 days. No food, no air, no power, no busses, no help. Moat of these people just want relief, food, water, medicine. people are dying right and left and our President is going to do a nice little helicopter fly over of Mississippi. How thoughtful.

If my drummer friend down there dies, I am gonna be greatly grieved.

There is NO excuse for this. These people need food, relief, busses, water, medical supplies NOW.

It is well within the scope of Washington to help. What stopped them from going into Iraq?

Are they waiting to be invited to help?

Is this in the tradition of our great nation?

I worry, folks.

Old people, children are STILL succombing to conditons. Minute by minute people are perishing. 5 days have passed.

And, Bush and the administration KNEW there were problems in the New Orleans levee system. They discovered how severe they were in the second year of Bush's first term in office. And so they did what? Cut Federal spending for New Orleans Levee Control by over 40%.

Also, experts warned the administration that with current trends in weather patterns, something this devastating could happen.

Why was nothing done?

This is terrifying, folks.

I just hope there aren't any more big problems. If this is any indication------what crises management would be done?

We are in deep trouble in our nation.

If you can't watch the news and not be outraged by what was allowed to happen, just remember--it could have been you, your elderly parents, etc.

Starvation, heat prostration, infections, thirst, over-exposure to wet,
exaustion, fear, rape, injury, looters, gun crimes.

We've come to a new sad day in America.

[eyesbleed]

I certainly hope there are serious repercusions for the lack of help from the feds.
It's become way too obvious what these Neo-con goons think about poor people in N.O. & Miss.
LET THEM STARVE.

This country has the capability to do airdrops etc etc etc.
There is no excuse whatsoever for there not bein' any food or water at the superdome & elsewhere for this long. Food & water shoulda been there on day one, day 2 at the latest.
And COULD'VE BEEN if we had a leader who gave a shit.

I've known the Neo-cons were this way...... spending billions to set up permenant residence in somebody elses neighborhood, yet honest hard workin folks like me have no health care & no hope of ever seein' retirement......... but now..... this total lack of sensible action from the feds for this many days..... will.... hopefully put a huge spotlight on these cold-hearted bastards.
For the first time.... ever.... there are lots of angry, hungry, poor people speakin' their minds on national TV.

I just hope the federal goons pay severely for this lack of concern for these people.
The rest of Amerika needs to wake up & realize that they need to take their country back from these insane neocons bastards.

[Deleted]

I think it's a litmus test of more to come. Maybe they're hoping to get a nice little racial war out of this and declare martial law slowly but surely across the US. Shoot to kill? Over a can of Bush's Baked Beans?

[Doc]

eyesbleed said:

I certainly hope there are serious repercusions for the lack of help from the feds.
It's become way too obvious what these Neo-con goons think about poor people in N.O. & Miss.
LET THEM STARVE.

This country has the capability to do airdrops etc etc etc.
There is no excuse whatsoever for there not bein' any food or water at the superdome & elsewhere for this long. Food & water shoulda been there on day one, day 2 at the latest.
And COULD'VE BEEN if we had a leader who gave a shit.

I've known the Neo-cons were this way...... spending billions to set up permenant residence in somebody elses neighborhood, yet honest hard workin folks like me have no health care & no hope of ever seein' retirement......... but now..... this total lack of sensible action from the feds for this many days..... will.... hopefully put a huge spotlight on these cold-hearted bastards.
For the first time.... ever.... there are lots of angry, hungry, poor people speakin' their minds on national TV.

I just hope the federal goons pay severely for this lack of concern for these people.
The rest of Amerika needs to wake up & realize that they need to take their country back from these insane neocons bastards.

Yes, yes, yes, eyesbleed. Yes, yes, yes.

I just hope they don't cause CNN to clamp down on open reporting, or start a "look on the bright side" barrage in order to appease public concern.

I appreciate how forthcoming CNN has been, and I applaud them. The mayor was brutally frank in one interview I heard this morning! I Stood up and appaulded during the middle of it. I bet he gets reprimanded.

Reprimanded for telling the truth. Reprimanded for defending old helpless ladies and children dying in the heat from prostration, dehydration, and cardiac overload. And NO FOOD.


DISGRACE!DISGRACE!DISGRACE!DISGRACE!DISGRACE!
DISGRACE!DISGRACE!DISGRACE!DISGRACE!DISGRACE!
DISGRACE!DISGRACE!DISGRACE!DISGRACE!DISGRACE!
DISGRACE!DISGRACE!DISGRACE!DISGRACE!DISGRACE!
DISGRACE!DISGRACE!DISGRACE!DISGRACE!DISGRACE!
DISGRACE!DISGRACE!DISGRACE!DISGRACE!

WHILE we continue to occupy another nation against its will and feed THEM.........


I am so livid,

[JoJo]

From: boingboing.net/2005_08_01_archive.html

Now this really is something, what does this image symbolise?



caption: President Bush plays a guitar presented to him by Country Singer Mark Wills, right, backstage following his visit to Naval Base Coronado, Tuesday, Aug. 30, 2005. Bush visited the base to deliver remarks on V-J Commemoration Day. (AP Photo/ABC News, Martha Raddatz).

Used to be a fiddle, guess it got freshened up for the modern age...

[JoJo]

I was listening to a talk show up here, and the host had someone on who was there and managed to get back to New England just in time. What I found interesting was that at a business meeting he attended in NO on Friday, the general sense of everyone there was that there was nothing to be too concerned about, they were making plans with their family for the weekend, ho hum, no big deal.

He goes out of hotel on Saturday to find complete panic and chaos. This says something, mainly that people only had a sense of the gravity of the situation starting on Saturday, and so it's no wonder so many didn't leave. I know it wasn't a wise thing to stay, and but for the mayor telling it like it is on Saturday in the most plain language possible, probably many more would have stayed. He continues to pull no punches as you said Doc, and good for him!

Now there is talk of it being uninhabitable for 10 years, up from a few months. This is a first for the US of A.. I hate to say it, but I can't imagine it ever being the same, or even being rebuilt, ever..

The Louisiana National Guard would like to help, but they are "elsewhere".

[JoJo]

Ordinarily, I wouldn't put up a link to GLP but.. the posters there have been doing a great job at digging up information from obscure sources. There are some people there who may post just for the sake of being shocking, or to be just plain a****les, so be warned.

www.godlikeproductions.com

[eyesbleed]

I was thinkin' while at work how I completely overstepped my bounds & blatantly broke the no-politics rule of the forum.
But after seein' what these poor people have had to endure all this week..... unneccessarily.... I don't really care.
I hope the lack of concern from Bush & Co. forces this discussion in lots of places where it normally isn't being discussed.

I wonder what the response time would be if the exact same thing happened in The Hamptons & all these monsterous mansions were underwater.?? Hhmmmm

[JoJo]

eyesbleed said:

I was thinkin' while at work how I completely overstepped my bounds & blatantly broke the no-politics rule of the forum.
But after seein' what these poor people have had to endure all this week..... unneccessarily.... I don't really care.

Don't worry about it, this situation is quite a different matter than the usual.. I don't care either as you can see.

[lah' mah]

You have to hear this Mayor of New Orleans! He really tells it like it is.....he could care less at this point what trouble he gets into. He said he knows he will be in trouble but he could care less!.

New Orleans Mayor Lashes Out At The Feds
Nagin: 'They are spinning and people are dying'

Friday, September 2, 2005; Posted: 2:41 p.m. EDT (18:41 GMT)


www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/02/katrina.nagin/index.html
In the first paragraph you can click on the actual interview!

You have to listen to this 12 minute radio interview he did! You can tell this man is fed up with the whole bunch of them from lying Bush right on down!

Transcript-

NEW ORLEANS, Louisiana (CNN) -- As his city skidded deeper into chaos, New Orleans' embattled mayor accused federal officials of dragging their feet while people are dying in deplorable conditions.

Mayor Ray Nagin's voice cracked with anger and anguish Thursday night in an interview with New Orleans radio station WWL-AM. (Hear the mayor tell feds to 'get off their asses' -- 12:09.)

"We're getting reports and calls that [are] breaking my heart from people saying, 'I've been in my attic. I can't take it anymore. The water is up to my neck. I don't think I can hold out.' And that's happening as we speak." (Transcript of radio interview with Nagin)

Nagin said the time has long passed for federal authorities to act on their promises.

"You mean to tell me that a place where you probably have thousands of people that have died and thousands more that are dying every day, that we can't figure out a way to authorize the resources that we need? Come on man," he said.

"I need reinforcements," he pleaded. "I need troops, man. I need 500 buses, man. This is a national disaster. (Hear Nagin's angry demand for more troops -- 1:00)

"I've talked directly with the president," he said. "I've talked to the head of the homeland security. I've talked to everybody under the sun."

After scheduled visits to devastated areas in Alabama and Mississippi, President Bush was expected to fly over the hurricane-ravaged city on Friday.

As he left the White House, Bush said, "The results are not acceptable. I'm headed down there right now."

He said he was "looking forward" to thanking people involved in disaster-relief efforts and assuring victims that short-term and long-term help is on the way.

Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said Thursday that he thinks the Federal Emergency Management Agency and other federal agencies have done a "magnificent job" under difficult circumstances, citing their "courage" and "ingenuity."

Insisting that aid is coming as fast as possible, Chertoff said, "You can't fly helicopters in a hurricane. You can't drive trucks in a hurricane."

FEMA Director Michael Brown told CNN on Friday, "My heart breaks. What we're doing, we're ramping up." (See video of CNN asking why FEMA is clueless about conditions -- 2:11 )

Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco said she hoped the amount of needed aid would begin arriving Friday.

"I'm not going to stand here and play the blame game," Blanco said. "We have a problem. Let's get to the problem."

The tempers of those waiting for food, water and relief from relentless heat continued to boil Friday as they waited for help to arrive, some in shocking conditions that were only getting worse. At least one large explosion rocked the city early Friday.

In the radio interview, Nagin's frustration was palpable.

"I've been out there man. I flew in these helicopters, been in the crowds talking to people crying, don't know where their relatives are. I've done it all man, and I'll tell you man, I keep hearing that it's coming. This is coming, that is coming. And my answer to that today is BS, where is the beef? Because there is no beef in this city. "

Nagin said, "Get every Greyhound bus in the country and get them moving."

Nagin called for a moratorium on press conferences "until the resources are in this city."

"They're feeding the people a line of bull, and they are spinning and people are dying," he said.

"I don't know whether it's the governor's problem, or it's the president's problem, but somebody needs to get ... on a plane and sit down, the two of them, and figure this out right now," Nagin said.

"They thinking small, man, and this is a major, major deal," he said.

"Get off your asses and let's do something."

The mayor said except for a few "knuckleheads," the looting is the result of desperate people just trying to find food and water to survive.

Nagin blamed the outbreak of crime and violence on drug addicts who are cut off from their drug supplies and wandering the city "looking to take the edge off their jones."

Nagin is in his first term as mayor. He was sworn in May 2002. A Democrat, he was a popular reform candidate who promised to clean up the city's political corruption. He's a former cable company executive.

[Spanky]

i know that some here don't like glp but when things like this happen its the greatest place to get all the information and links to real time reporting thats not on the networks.

this whole thing is just heartbreaking and has provoked so much anger because of how its been handled. How can they decide to take away national guardsmen and police from searching for survivors to stop looters? when did possessions become more important than human lives.

My best friend Tina was stranded in Mobile with her children as her husband was air lifted out by his company. I heard from her for the first time yesterday and she is one of the very lucky ones. She has no power and no gas but she is alive and only lost a small portion of the side of her house from a tornado. Like most people down there, she has no idea what the people of NO or MS are dealing with. the are cut off from all civilization and only have their small neighborhoods as any indication of what has happened.

I'm so angry right now, the deaths from the actual storm probably only number in the hundreds. its thousands more that are being left to die in the 5 days since then. How can the government sit back and watch this happen?

[TotalInformation]

I was also up at 5:30am watching that interview on CNN , PerpBob. It's all so horrible. That beautiful city is sealed off from all help while it floods and rots and dies.

in NO on Friday, the general sense of everyone there was that there was nothing to be too concerned about,

Well the thing went from a westbound tropical storm to a northbound category 5 in record time... like someone pushed a button.

Why was nothing done?

This is terrifying, folks.

It's like the man with the guitar *wants* a little helter skelter race war. Like he said today, it's "chaos." Halliburton has already sewn up the first (of many, I'm sure) contracts for the resultant creation.

I've been posting stuff on this to my site this week if anyone's interested.

[Doc]

My drummer friend from NO and his peers made it safely out of NO and other neighborhoods, thankfully.

I am angry with the radio talk show host---he was subbing for Sean Hannity I think, said that a certain New York paper had it right; these people were warned but they all hungf around just to get their welfare check!

!

Well, 9'll get you 10 few of them had any real money, not enough to buy a train or bus ticket, or a hotel room, or plane ticket.

The airport closed 12 hours earlier than was necessary.

Where could they have gone, their summer home in the hills of Tennessee?
Rich relatives in Bel Air? Affluent, well patroled suburbs of DC or Atlanta or Chicago?

How about a boat to Mexico? A steamboat to St. Lou?

Oh, yes, they had so many options. Like the well to do people stuck in the Ritz Carlton.

And, of course, to Bill O'Reilly they are all just criminal thugs who purposely stayed in town so that they could loot.

Good going, Mr. O'Reilly, just project evil intentions on 100,000 (or more) poor people.

I don't want to address the thugs and looters; they always turn up in a crisis, any color of the rainbow.

I want to find statistics, estimates, on the number of (1) elderly, immobile, infirm (b) home bound by illness and poor (c) financially down at heel but good citizens (d) children (e) infants (f) pregnant women with no means of support (h) minimum wage earners who work honest and hard (i) people who sought avenues of escape and were unable thru no cause of their own.



I bet that's 50,000-60,000 people. Let's talk about them, Mr. O'Reilly.

How would YOU, in such a condition, rally yourself up to escape a juggernaut that was imminent in 36 hours? What if you had no friends outside New Orleans? Is that a crime? Is it a crime to be limited in options of where to go?

Why don't we pass a Republican bill that criminalizes all the Eleanor Rigby's in the nation? We'll call it the "Eleanor Rigby" bill, to punish these "burdens on society" whose financial and social limitations cost the system--and the corporations---money.

Let's imprison these people and force them into labor to pay for their upkeep! Let's charge them for meals out of their pay, clothes too, and rent. We can house them in prisons and old bases. And tent communities and
under bridges.

You know, I guess the system owes nothing to the city of New Orleans. I guess we as citizens risk becoming victims of the infrastructure that nobody wants to maintain. They work there, pay sales and property tax there, but if it all collapses around them they are worthless criminals. Rabble. Useless eaters. Is that the official (but unstated) attitude? That's how it looks.

This host earlier (I will get his name here in a minute) also answered a caller this way:

"You mean you think these delays and lack of attention is due to race? Because its a poor black issue? Well, dear caller, nobody has said that.
Nobody WOULD say that."

I screamed in my car. I had to pull off the road before I became a danger. I had to calm down and get my breath together.

My response to his statement? Of course, you bumberhead, no one will ever SAY that. Nobody says things like that any more in America. Instead, people just act out in ways that say it FOR them. For, actions speak louder than PC talk.

I am glad that CNN has not been very PC lately. I am delighted they have been so candid. I 'm glad they let the mayor cuss and cry.

Also, the radio man made some comment about airing all those images of the people suffering at the convention center was misleading, or making it seem worse, I forget exactly how he said it. Ill find a web playback of it.

He dares imply that they should not be shown? The public has a right to KNOW what is going down in New Orleans. How can images shot on the steps on the convention center lie? How can seeing an elderly lady strugglilng to cope with the heat and thirst mislead?
What you see is what it is. It tore me up.

THIS is Reality TV, folks, IMO. Survivor? Oh, please. Horsesh*t.

He didn't want to feel too sorry for these people because they had brought it on themselves? By living there? By not having a second home in the Pocono's? By not getting a suite at the Four Seasons in Dallas?
Now about people in hospitals? Low-income old folks homes? Low income housing? Should they have saved an extra $10 a week out of their paycheck for this eventuality? Now--I am not talking about addicts and so forth--but they are people, too! I know the system feels like the addicts deserve to be destroyed.

Too bad the Commonwealth of Louisiana is so cash poor. But, it is poor because the population is largely poor.

And, what do the poor do in a catastrophe? How does the affluent system answer to it? Does it say, "Let them eat cake?", like Marie Antoinette before she lost her head?

No, it doesn't SAY that. Nobody actually SAYS that. Not in today's PC world. They let their actions say it. And that's so that they won't, like Mme. Antoinette, get their Federal head chopped off.

If Louis and Marie had ONLY known about political correctness, their might still be a monarchy in France.

But we live in a day where the media message is to go on pandering, pampering, coddling and stroking the system even when IN BROAD DAYLIGHT it passively allows gross dereliction of responsibility.

If it had happened in South-East, or South-West Florida----this would NOT have been acceptible.

You know folks, I believe in multi-culturalism, and diversity. We are all brothers and sisters. I hate the "N" word as much as anyone else. I don't like to hear it, I don't choose to use it. I am sure we are 100% together on this.
The Elite don't like the word either. They don't use it. They don't say it. But, it sure looks like, from their apathy, that at some subconscious level, they sure do think it.

I CAN'T BELIEVE IT. I am listening to talk radio host Michael Savage. SOME idiot is suggesting that he is sick of hearing about the people that couldn't get out of town cause they had no way to go. He says, "They had two legs, they could have started walking. Even animals know when a disaster is coming and they get up and go!" Good, The host is reprimanding him, these people were essentially wards of the state, many were old and too unhealthy.......children etc...."

Animals? Walk away on their two legs? What, on the interstate with a suitcase? And NO cash? And hungry? And thirsty? Without water, how many miles could the average American walk in 92 degree bayou heat without passing out, or dropping dead? Do you know HOW MANY MILES it is to towns that are OK? Do you know how few rest stops there are along the way? If you even get 12 miles a day, where do you sleep? In the marsh? They're stuck in a marsh, miles from solid ground, you nincompoop!
YOU STUPID, STUPID MINDLESS STUFFSHIRT! ( I am addressing the talk show caller...)

I feel like some officials have ABDICATED their responsibility to certain citizens of this nation. I am assuming that "citizen" is the status of these individual victims, not "refugee." And I am sick of the word "refugee."


Whose fault is it that the levees broke? Could these citizens have coordinated the repairs? Whose fault is it that no helicopters or drops have come until today?

Now this bullsh*t of these thugs shooting at the police, raping, assaulting, stealing, all that, that hogwash crap has got to stop. Now, THOSE people, frankly, have it coming to them. What stupidity, what criminality. A thug is a thug no matter what color he is. And he makes it bad for the rest---majority of peaceable persons.

Now, I am not fit to judge any man's actions or morals. I am ranting because I am in horror. Hopefully, the good will emerge to alleviate the suffering. To late to save the weak who are dying AS I write this.

How many dead bodies will they find? Will they release the real numbers?Well, they'll leak out, they'll come out. We'll know. It's going to be a troubling figure.

But, Iraq is more important to some folks than they're own countrymen.

WWGWD? (What would George Washington do?)

[Doc]

jojo said:

From: boingboing.net/2005_08_01_archive.html

Now this really is something, what does this image symbolise?



caption: President Bush plays a guitar presented to him by Country Singer Mark Wills, right, backstage following his visit to Naval Base Coronado, Tuesday, Aug. 30, 2005. Bush visited the base to deliver remarks on V-J Commemoration Day. (AP Photo/ABC News, Martha Raddatz).

Used to be a fiddle, guess it got freshened up for the modern age...

Bonnie Tyler

Holding Out For A Nero

Where have all the good men gone
And where are all the gods?
Where's the street-wise Hercules
To fight the rising odds?
Isn't there a white knight upon a fiery steed?
Late at night I toss and turn and dream
of what I need

I need a Nero
I'm holding out for a Nero 'til the end of the night
He's gotta be strong
And he's gotta be fast
And he's gotta be fresh from the fight
I need a Nero
I'm holding out for a Nero 'til the morning light
He's gotta be sure
And it's gotta be soon
And he's gotta be larger than life
Somewhere after midnight
In my wildest fantasy
Somewhere just beyond my reach
There's someone reaching back for me
Racing on the thunder end rising with the heat
It's gonna take a superman to sweep me off my feet

(Chorus)

Up where the mountains meet the heavens above
Out where the lightning splits the sea
I would swear that there's someone somewhere
Watching me

Through the wind end the chill and the rain
And the storm and the flood
I can feel his approach
Like the fire in my blood

(Chorus)

[Doc]

eyesbleed said:

I certainly hope there are serious repercusions for the lack of help from the feds.
It's become way too obvious what these Neo-con goons think about poor people in N.O. & Miss.
LET THEM STARVE.

This country has the capability to do airdrops etc etc etc.
There is no excuse whatsoever for there not bein' any food or water at the superdome & elsewhere for this long. Food & water shoulda been there on day one, day 2 at the latest.
And COULD'VE BEEN if we had a leader who gave a shit.

I've known the Neo-cons were this way...... spending billions to set up permenant residence in somebody elses neighborhood, yet honest hard workin folks like me have no health care & no hope of ever seein' retirement......... but now..... this total lack of sensible action from the feds for this many days..... will.... hopefully put a huge spotlight on these cold-hearted bastards.
For the first time.... ever.... there are lots of angry, hungry, poor people speakin' their minds on national TV.

I just hope the federal goons pay severely for this lack of concern for these people.
The rest of Amerika needs to wake up & realize that they need to take their country back from these insane neocons bastards.

The neocons have turned New Orleans into Baghdad on the Mississippi.

A quote from this article:

www.godlikeproductions.com/news/item.php?keyid=8877&page=1&category=47&scategory=0

[Doc]

totalinformation said:

I was also up at 5:30am watching that interview on CNN , PerpBob. It's all so horrible. That beautiful city is sealed off from all help while it floods and rots and dies.

in NO on Friday, the general sense of everyone there was that there was nothing to be too concerned about,

Well the thing went from a westbound tropical storm to a northbound category 5 in record time... like someone pushed a button.

Why was nothing done?

This is terrifying, folks.

It's like the man with the guitar *wants* a little helter skelter race war. Like he said today, it's "chaos." Halliburton has already sewn up the first (of many, I'm sure) contracts for the resultant creation.

I've been posting stuff on this to my site this week if anyone's interested.

I have heard the pat phrase on the radio "And now, chaos has been restored to order, at least" on this block, or this building, or whatever.

Is that the catch phrase of the day? I mean, it's meaningful terminology in a lot of cases, as I heaar it haarped on agaain and aggaain, it is starting to sound like a "trigger-response" thing, I dunno. Some kind of sub-conscious
thing,

[TotalInformation]

These people WANT toi walk out of the city. There's room for 40,000 people in the schools and churches and other buildings right across the river in Gretna to provide shelter.

FEMA has a checkpoint on the only bridge out of town. They will be shot if they try to leave. 2+ hrs ago on Fox News Geraldo was crying and Shepard Smith was screaming about this. These people have been sealed into a filthy death trap and left to die.

(Google "Ordo ab Chao")

[JoJo]

Bravo on all your points a couple of posts up there Doc! Bill O'Dumbass has all the authority of an arrogant fool, as do all of his ilk.

Chaos, yes.. I've noticed that word being used over and over, of course it's hard for us not to. Chaos in the back yard? Oh yeah.

[Doc]

"Chaos and creation" is a fresh use of the word in a creative title. That's a neat way of putting the word to work. It's not the same as the media employing that phrase to end every other story on every channel.

Of course, I know the chaos-order combo its an obvious choice for what's going on. Really, its not the phrase. It won't sound as hollow on the news
when we all start to see a little more order--cause right now, the layers on the "chaos onion" are looking thicker and thicker.

Oh crap. Sean Hannity is criticizing the Mayor of New Orleans. He is upset with him, saying how dare he try to make this a political arena out of the biggest public rescue mission in history.

Sean, the Cavalry may be "here", in New Orleans, but, sweetheart, the Cavalry is LATE.

All these spin doctors do is to divert blame from Washington. Fro everything. I no longer believe them,, or trust them. They will not listen to you when you call in, they just say strum the same line over and over, and reasign the blame to "leftists" and "mayors", and "extremeists."

He is calling what the mayor did it the politicizing of this event.

Oh, Sean, telling the truth is politicizing? Bearing his real concern for the people of his city? That mayor KNOWS his political career is over, Sean. He knows it. He is NOT politicizing. He is calling for help and attention. And that is exactly what he SHOULD do, as mayor. Revealing the tragedy to the public? Showing us how slowly help has been mobilized?

[Doc]

www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=biJRJ8OVF&b=91585

[Doc]

www.tvnewslies.org/html/sean_hannity.html

[Doc]

totalinformation said:

These people WANT toi walk out of the city. There's room for 40,000 people in the schools and churches and other buildings right across the river in Gretna to provide shelter.

FEMA has a checkpoint on the only bridge out of town. They will be shot if they try to leave. 2+ hrs ago on Fox News Geraldo was crying and Shepard Smith was screaming about this. These people have been sealed into a filthy death trap and left to die.

(Google "Ordo ab Chao")

Where can I find material opn that, TI? That is profoundly disturbing. Probably, the "excuse" for that would be a safety measure against crime, protecting the good citizens of Gretna from pillage, etc...

Hmmmm. The people in Texas and Atlanta will take them in, but NOT their neighbors.........

So, they've labeled all the leftover people as perpetrators and corraled them.
Even the babies and the old ladies.

[Doc]

www.spinsanity.org/columns/20020826.html

You see, I'd like to present this simple fact to Mr. Hannity:

There is a check point on the bridge to Gretna; they will shoot anyone who tries to cross over.

I wonder how far I'd get? Maybe to the word "shoot", he'd start screaming,
wait wait, what's your source? How can I verify that?

And I would say "Geraldo Rivera" and he would say "unreliable left-wing shill."

Sean Hannity doesn't respectfully listen to you. He analizes where your discussion is going, then either agrees or chews you up, and quickly. He shouts over you and steamrolls you. He can't afford to let the conversation be two sided. He can't let a private citizen voice opinions unlike his on the air. It's a form of sneaky censorship. He makes the appearences of openess, he goes thru the motions. But his underlying MO is always the same. Make the administration right, everyone else wrong. Squelch dissent and awkward revelation.

I dont think I'll call or e-mail. Let's just keep our pearls to ourselves.

[Doc]

I want to send the Hannity web site this email:

I use to enjoy your broadcasts, Mr. Hannity. Do you not have compassion for thousands of 50-60-70 year old women with health problems who continue to perish? And innumerable small children? No food, no water, no medical help. Death. Yes it's ghoulish, the reality of what has been happening for the last 4 days is ghoulish. These people paid taxes, state federal and local, into a system that let the infrastructure fail and cause untold misery.
That's ghoulish.
And people are BLAMING the victims.
That's ghoulish.
And, a courageous mayor dropped the phony guise of political correctness long enough to let the public know the truth. Ghoulish?

No. It's what was evident, to everyone with discernment, necessary to get the ball rolling for aid to arrive.

He destoyed his career in a last ditch effort to save some of his people. He's now as good as washed-up in politics; and he knows it. What he actually did was commit political hari-kari to save lives.

That's not ghoulish. He did it because, in foul waters, in 92 degree daily heat and high humidity, in thirst and without food, tensions and terror, five days is too long for the elderly, the infirm, and in cases, children.

I, am a number of friends, are stunned and horrified on the basis of these things, which are true.

I understand that there are shcools and churches in Gretna, Louisiana, just across the river. The bridge is passable. There is a check point on the other side of the river. Anyone trying to walk across the bridge out of the city will be shot.

This is verifiable.

They are prisoners.

How many old ladies in wheelchairs, in bad shape, struggling to breathm will succomb to over exposure, thirst, and heart failure? Is all that "just too bad, it's their own fault?"

Do I need to discount all those things, in order to be politically correct? THAT'S ghoulish.

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I meant Algiers, not Gretna. But it's not Gretna or Algiers that has the checkpoint up. It's FEMA. You know, Homeland Security, the Gestapo? This demonic looking p.o.s.?:


C&L has video posted www.crooksandliars.com/2005/09/02.html#a4763