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Post by greydove on Jan 3, 2010 12:25:22 GMT -5
Anyone want to take a shot at decoding the symbolism in these??
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Post by greydove on Jan 3, 2010 13:11:27 GMT -5
And this one too. There appear to be several clues here to cloning DNA, eggs, giants in the earth [nephilim] and the like. Also that Gabriel started out in GENESIS...? I'll be back with a better write up.
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Post by B on Jan 3, 2010 17:38:35 GMT -5
What? It's not enough that he's named after an angel, and wrote a song from Paul's point of view? ;D
Climbing up on Solsbury Hill I could see the city light Wind was blowing, time stood still Eagle flew out of the night He was something to observe Came in close, I heard a voice Standing stretching every nerve Had to listen had no choice I did not believe the information I just had to trust imagination My heart going boom boom boom "Son," he said "Grab your things, I've come to take you home."
To keepin' silence I resigned My friends would think I was a nut Turning water into wine Open doors would soon be shut So I went from day to day Tho' my life was in a rut 'Til I thought of what I'd say Which connection I should cut I was feeling part of the scenery I walked right out of the machinery My heart going boom boom boom "Hey" he said "Grab your things I've come to take you home."
When illusion spin her net I'm never where I want to be And liberty she pirouette When I think that I am free Watched by empty silhouettes Who close their eyes, but still can see (No one taught them etiquette) I will show another me Today I don't need a replacement I'll tell them what the smile on my face meant My heart going boom boom boom "Hey" I said "You can keep my things, they've come to take me home."
When you write: "I'll be back with a better write up." everybody sits back and waits to see what you have to say before commenting.
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Post by greydove on Jan 4, 2010 16:02:55 GMT -5
^^Yes, I have noticed his name too And Nice song! I wonder about people like him. ..He was likely talented from a young age, I get the sense that he may have had genius abilities and the secret societies noticed him and trained him to reveal high level info to the public through his songs and videos. On the other hand he could be that connected to the other realms that he puts this stuff in himself! And this one too. There appear to be several clues here to cloning DNA, eggs, giants in the earth [nephilim] and the like. Also that Gabriel started out in GENESIS...? I'll be back with a better write up. Here's some of what I noticed. I don't know what all of it indicates. A Sledgehammer is used to break rocks by a stone mason [referencing the great architect of the universe]? He offers to be 'our' sledgehammer which could mean he's breaking something down to rebuild it. Also lots of obvious sex references which indicates the generative act of creation. In the beginning of the video after the footage of sperm and blood he's winking, tapping the side of his head and making all sorts of insider gestures as if he's about to tell us a secret. 1:26 He references the big dipper, which is important in navigating the north star, a key star to the ancient Egyptians. If anyone knows more on this please jump in! At 2:03 he's surrounded by ivy leaves which references again the serpent and knowledge and genetics DNA. I read somewhere that the this is why the great european universities are covered in ivy and the american universites are called ivy league. 1:10, 1:46, 1:54 He plays with images of the elements, which I think is a veiled alchemical reference. Fire, water, earth air, steam [ether]. Also at 1:46 he's looking into a reflecting pool which is a symbol of divination and deep intuition 2:24 He mentions being a honey bee, another symbol of secret society knowledge. 2:43 he's lying on the ground and a structure is built over him, he is the foundation Peter, the rock, or you could see it as he's like a giant in the earth compared to the scale size of the people building over him. 3:06 yin yang symbol male female duality universe both necessary for creation, also black and white. The sign of pisces is shown. 3:14 -3:16 watergate /Stargate symbolism is shown 3:17 the sledgehammer meant to destroy "creates" an egg on the stage of life. Tha age old question answered: egg came first. 3:27 Two chickens are created from one original egg... Cloning? How things began? 3:42 he claims to have " shed his skin" ...again serpent reference DNA, Eden beginnings etc. 4:46 walks through a stargateI know I'm missing a lot. Feel free to add more. Thanks for reading
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Post by iameye on Jan 4, 2010 19:14:32 GMT -5
^^Yes, I have noticed his name too And Nice song! I wonder about people like him. ..He was likely talented from a young age, I get the sense that he may have had genius abilities and the secret societies noticed him and trained him to reveal high level info to the public through his songs and videos. On the other hand he could be that connected to the other realms that he puts this stuff in himself! And this one too. There appear to be several clues here to cloning DNA, eggs, giants in the earth [nephilim] and the like. Also that Gabriel started out in GENESIS...? I'll be back with a better write up. Here's some of what I noticed. I don't know what all of it indicates. A Sledgehammer is used to break rocks by a stone mason [referencing the great architect of the universe]? He offers to be 'our' sledgehammer which could mean he's breaking something down to rebuild it. Also lots of obvious sex references which indicates the generative act of creation. In the beginning of the video after the footage of sperm and blood he's winking, tapping the side of his head and making all sorts of insider gestures as if he's about to tell us a secret. 1:26 He references the big dipper, which is important in navigating the north star, a key star to the ancient Egyptians. If anyone knows more on this please jump in! At 2:03 he's surrounded by ivy leaves which references again the serpent and knowledge and genetics DNA. I read somewhere that the this is why the great european universities are covered in ivy and the american universites are called ivy league. 1:10, 1:46, 1:54 He plays with images of the elements, which I think is a veiled alchemical reference. Fire, water, earth air, steam [ether]. Also at 1:46 he's looking into a reflecting pool which is a symbol of divination and deep intuition 2:24 He mentions being a honey bee, another symbol of secret society knowledge. 2:43 he's lying on the ground and a structure is built over him, he is the foundation Peter, the rock, or you could see it as he's like a giant in the earth compared to the scale size of the people building over him. 3:06 yin yang symbol male female duality universe both necessary for creation, also black and white. The sign of pisces is shown. 3:14 -3:16 watergate /Stargate symbolism is shown 3:17 the sledgehammer meant to destroy "creates" an egg on the stage of life. Tha age old question answered: egg came first. 3:27 Two chickens are created from one original egg... Cloning? How things began? 3:42 he claims to have " shed his skin" ...again serpent reference DNA, Eden beginnings etc. 4:46 walks through a stargateI know I'm missing a lot. Feel free to add more. Thanks for reading the sledgehammer meant to destroy "creates" an egg on the stage of life. Tha age old question answered: egg came first. no, he means it (his name and body of work) to be used as a tool.... for someone and fruitcage ? Think: Horn of Plenty
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Post by greydove on Jan 4, 2010 22:34:28 GMT -5
^^Yes, I have noticed his name too And Nice song! I wonder about people like him. ..He was likely talented from a young age, I get the sense that he may have had genius abilities and the secret societies noticed him and trained him to reveal high level info to the public through his songs and videos. On the other hand he could be that connected to the other realms that he puts this stuff in himself! Here's some of what I noticed. I don't know what all of it indicates. A Sledgehammer is used to break rocks by a stone mason [referencing the great architect of the universe]? He offers to be 'our' sledgehammer which could mean he's breaking something down to rebuild it. Also lots of obvious sex references which indicates the generative act of creation. In the beginning of the video after the footage of sperm and blood he's winking, tapping the side of his head and making all sorts of insider gestures as if he's about to tell us a secret. 1:26 He references the big dipper, which is important in navigating the north star, a key star to the ancient Egyptians. If anyone knows more on this please jump in! At 2:03 he's surrounded by ivy leaves which references again the serpent and knowledge and genetics DNA. I read somewhere that the this is why the great european universities are covered in ivy and the american universites are called ivy league. 1:10, 1:46, 1:54 He plays with images of the elements, which I think is a veiled alchemical reference. Fire, water, earth air, steam [ether]. Also at 1:46 he's looking into a reflecting pool which is a symbol of divination and deep intuition 2:24 He mentions being a honey bee, another symbol of secret society knowledge. 2:43 he's lying on the ground and a structure is built over him, he is the foundation Peter, the rock, or you could see it as he's like a giant in the earth compared to the scale size of the people building over him. 3:06 yin yang symbol male female duality universe both necessary for creation, also black and white. The sign of pisces is shown. 3:14 -3:16 watergate /Stargate symbolism is shown 3:17 the sledgehammer meant to destroy "creates" an egg on the stage of life. Tha age old question answered: egg came first. 3:27 Two chickens are created from one original egg... Cloning? How things began? 3:42 he claims to have " shed his skin" ...again serpent reference DNA, Eden beginnings etc. 4:46 walks through a stargateI know I'm missing a lot. Feel free to add more. Thanks for reading the sledgehammer meant to destroy "creates" an egg on the stage of life. Tha age old question answered: egg came first. no, he means it (his name and body of work) to be used as a tool.... for someone and fruitcage ? Think: Horn of Plenty Well yeah....! The sexual and phallic references are pretty obvious
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Post by iameye on Jan 5, 2010 8:33:06 GMT -5
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Post by greydove on Jan 5, 2010 10:10:42 GMT -5
So am I totally off in the other references...Or am I just not cool enough to break down symbolic imagery here?? ;D
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Post by B on Jan 5, 2010 19:55:07 GMT -5
Well, you seem fairly adept at it. I must confess I find the videos to be visually repulsive, and I'm not much of a fan of his music, so you'll have to excuse me if I don't choose to spend much time analyzing them. What was your motive for starting the thread? Are you just a Peter Gabriel fan, or did you feel that the videos tied in to "Paul is Dead/Paul was Replaced"? I think most videos these days are used as a platform for putting across ideas symbolically, and oddly enough, many of them do seem to interelate.
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Post by greydove on Jan 6, 2010 10:45:23 GMT -5
Well, you seem fairly adept at it. I must confess I find the videos to be visually repulsive, and I'm not much of a fan of his music, so you'll have to excuse me if I don't choose to spend much time analyzing them. What was your motive for starting the thread? Are you just a Peter Gabriel fan, or did you feel that the videos tied in to "Paul is Dead/Paul was Replaced"? I think most videos these days are used as a platform for putting across ideas symbolically, and oddly enough, many of them do seem to interelate. Thanks... Yes the video IS repulsive, and very disturbing! I came across it a few days ago and was transported back to my childhood. You see, this was in heavy rotation on MTV when I was growing up. Having learned more about esoteric symbolism I couldn't help seeing tons of it in these videos and I wanted to share and see if others had any ideas on what exactly he was trying to say. When an entire generation is exposed to visual images like this and others, repeatedly, I tend to think there's more going on under the surface. This is the only place that I have found others with the ability to decode symbols at such a deep level. No, its not Paul related, but I thought you guys might see some connections him being such a famous British musician, and at a high level in the music industry....Perhaps there were some connections to Paul with Genesis and its members. Peter Gabriel was also friendly with Kate Bush who was practically trained by Pink Floyd as a child, and there are connections to the Beatles there...so I just thought people would grab onto it and run with it. Would I be right in assuming most people here are above 30 years old, maybe that's why these videos are not as immediately iconic to you....?
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Jan 6, 2010 11:32:41 GMT -5
Well, you seem fairly adept at it. I must confess I find the videos to be visually repulsive, and I'm not much of a fan of his music, so you'll have to excuse me if I don't choose to spend much time analyzing them. What was your motive for starting the thread? Are you just a Peter Gabriel fan, or did you feel that the videos tied in to "Paul is Dead/Paul was Replaced"? I think most videos these days are used as a platform for putting across ideas symbolically, and oddly enough, many of them do seem to interelate. Thanks... Yes the video IS repulsive, and very disturbing! I came across it a few days ago and was transported back to my childhood. You see, this was in heavy rotation on MTV when I was growing up. Having learned more about esoteric symbolism I couldn't help seeing tons of it in these videos and I wanted to share and see if others had any ideas on what exactly he was trying to say. When an entire generation is exposed to visual images like this and others, repeatedly, I tend to think there's more going on under the surface. This is the only place that I have found others with the ability to decode symbols at such a deep level. No, its not Paul related, but I thought you guys might see some connections him being such a famous British musician, and at a high level in the music industry....Perhaps there were some connections to Paul with Genesis and its members. Peter Gabriel was also friendly with Kate Bush who was practically trained by Pink Floyd as a child, and there are connections to the Beatles there...so I just thought people would grab onto it and run with it. Would I be right in assuming most people here are above 30 years old, maybe that's why these videos are not as immediately iconic to you....? "I've kicked the habit Shed my skin This is the new stuff I go dancing in, we go dancing in"Well... I was in my late teens when "So" came out, and I remember thinking that it was COMPLETELY different from anything Gabriel had done before. All of his previous albums had good songs, but they were very idiosyncratic in arrangement and production, which often distanced them from mainstream appeal. Hell, his best known song to that point was probably "Solsbury Hill", which is in the utterly NON-hit-making time signature of 7/4. On "So" however, he worked with a system-approved man in Daniel Lanois, who had (with Brian Eno) helped to give U2 its first top 40 hit in the US (Pride), and laid the groundwork for Bono's rise to mega stardom, and his position of incredible influence. The same thing happened here with Gabriel. "So" made him a household name, and with his new influence, came the ubiquituos "Sledgehammer" and "Big Time" videos, that, as you've all been pointing out, seem to be LOADED with esoteric symbolism. "I've kicked the habit Shed my skin This is the new stuff I go dancing in, we go dancing in" The above could be a reference to DNA and cloning (as greydove mentioned), or to reptilian shape shifting, or it could just be a reference to his obvious change in style, which, as I said above, is what amplified his popularity and exposed the esoteric message to billions who weren't paying attention to "Shock the Monkey". Oh, and it's also worth mentioning that Phil Collins was an extra on "A Hard Day's Night", and that he covered "Tomorrow Never Knows" on his debut solo album, "Face Value." P(D)
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Post by B on Jan 6, 2010 11:58:26 GMT -5
<--- Is that a scar over his lip?
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Jan 6, 2010 12:26:18 GMT -5
The "Big Time" video has this VERY interesting sequence: "The place where I come from is a small town They think so small, they use small words... The next line is accompanied by this image: ...But not me, I'm smarter than that, I worked it out...
...I'll be stretching my mouth to let those big words come right out I've had enough, I'm getting out To the city, the big big city I'll be a big noise with all the big boys, so much stuff I will own And I will pray to a big god, as I kneel in the big church"
So Gabriel is basically telling us that he's exposing some esoteric knowledge in exchange for the next level of success. Yup. Here's the entire video, btw.
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Post by B on Jan 6, 2010 12:42:57 GMT -5
BIG TIME Peter Gabriel
I'm on my way I'm making it, Huh! I've got to make it show yeah, Hey! So much larger than life I'm gonna watch it growing Hey hey hey heyyyyyyy
The place where I come from is a small town They think so small, they use small words But not me, I'm smarter than that, I worked it out I'll be stretching my mouth to let those big words come right out I've had enough, I'm getting out To the city, the big big city I'll be a big noise with all the big boys, so much stuff I will own And I will pray to a big god, as I kneel in the big church
Big Time, I'm on my way I'm making it, big time, oh yes Big time, I've got to make it show yeah, big time Big time, so much larger than life Big time, I'm gonna watch it growing, big time Ho ohh ohh, oh oh, ho ohh ohh, oh ohhh
My parties have all the big names and I greet them with the whitest smile Tell them how my life is one big adventure and always they're amazed When I show them 'round my house to my bed I had it made like a mountain rage with a snow white pillow for my big fat head And my heaven will be a big heaven, And I will walk through the front door
Big Time, I'm on my way i'm making it, big time, Huh! Big time, I've got to make it show yeah, big time Big time, so much larger than life Big time, I'm gonna watch it growing, big time Big time, my car is getting bigger Big time, my house is getting bigger Big time, my eyes are getting bigger And my mouuuth Big time, my dinner's getting bigger Big time, and my bank account Big time, look at my circumstance Big time, and the bulge in my big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big, hi there My overall impression, watching the Big Time video, is that it could be is a dig at Faul, taking over Paul's role. The small town where he grew up could refer to some place in Canada. The "big words" make me think of the line "You're very well-read; it's well known" in Dylan's "Ballad of a Thin Man" which is most certainly a put down of Faul. That song also alludes to the 'big parties' mentioned in the Peter Gabriel lyrics. Pause the video above at 1:55 - the figure could conceivably represent Faul. What is more significant in the video is the opening verses and imagery. His origins are 'monsterous' and slimy; unnatural, but "larger than life" according to the lyrics. Note, too, that there are multiple versions of this monster shown coming from the ground. (He may be one of a number of clones.) These scenes are immediately followed by the one where he is the eye in the illuminati pyramid. These images suggest he is not of a natural birth, but the result of a "mad scientist" / test tube experiment. (Something that has been brought up before here in the Rotten Apple section, as well as other places.) The fact that he is the eye in the pyramid is significant. It links him to Horus, looking "through time". He's not just a 'mere mortal'. Let me digress a bit for just a second. Notice the eye on his palm here: His thumb is pointing up at himself. The message is: "I am eye". It is: "I, 'the eye' [Horus], am back in the world!" In the Cream of Beatles film, notice the evolution of the eye as "the light" changes. It goes from human (Paul) to reptillian (Faul). Paul 1Paul becoming reptilian'Dr. Mengele'/Howard Hughes 'Paul'The fact that the song mentions he'll go to his heaven is significant. He may be a "Messianic" figure. Imho, BIG TIME is quite likely about Faul, who went from being small time: "Out of college money spent See no future, pay no rent All the money's gone, nowhere to go Any jobber got the sack Monday morning turning back Yellow lorry slow, nowhere to go" to BIG TIME: "One sweet dream Pick up the bags and get in the limousine Soon we'll be away from here Step on the gas and wipe that tear away One sweet dream Came true today Came true today Came true today" when Paul "died" "One two three four five six seven All good children go to heaven". I don't think Paul really died at this point; I think he may have been replaced, possibly as part of an experiment. See: invanddis.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=btc&action=display&thread=4919&page=2 (Sorry, members only!)The two encountering each other at a Christmas party is just too coincidental, and too much a part of the "Trading Places" story not to have been deliberately placed in the "Wonderful Christmas Time" video. (The two "Messiahs" meet each other at Christmas.) "....The two test subjects come face to face during the firm's Christmas party..." Sunglasses at Night Don't switch the blade On the guy in shades, oh-no Don't masqueradeWith the guy in shades, oh-no (I can't believe it!) 'Cause you got it made With the guy in shades, oh-no ( ONO) And I wear my sunglasses at night So I can, so I can Forget my name while you collect your claim (On the 'Trading Places' bet!)And I wear my sunglasses at night So I can, so I can See the light that's right before my eyes -------------- Paul appears to have been replaced after having suffered an accident which caused lack of vision and some disfigurement. The Bee Gees song "Holiday" is about that, imo. One last thing: In the shot that this video is paused on: His head is in the garb of the Blessed Mother, and he is standing in an arch, like the type that people put in their back yards in small towns, with a statue of Mary inside. So he is posing as either Mary or the son of Mary.
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Post by jestertor on Jan 6, 2010 12:44:26 GMT -5
"Perhaps there were some connections to Paul with Genesis and its members."
Hi greydove! - Somewhat doubt it. Given the choice between being groomed by Aleister Crowley or Jonathon King though... mmm? - the horns of a dilemma (or perhaps the dilemma of horns).
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Post by B on Jan 6, 2010 17:08:23 GMT -5
I feel the need to state that I personally don't think Faul is a bad guy, and in commenting on the songs by Dylan and Peter Gabriel, I am trying to convey what I take to be their take on him, at least at the time those songs were written. I think that we're supposed to get that, at the beginning of his "Paul" career, he may have been full of arrogance and living to excess; offending everyone around him who knew what the real situation was. Surely he is the subject of the song " You're So Vain" by Carly Simon! ;D (OK, I'm just guessing.) But in any case, he, by his own admission, "used to be bad". And I have to think that when he sings what sounds like: " 'Hollywood Paul' is dead" in the song "Rinse the Raindrops" *, he is meaning to suggest that he is no longer the pompous individual he may have been at one time. The significance of that goes well beyond what it might seem to be on the surface, and no doubt I will probably have more to say about it shortly. * Rinse the Raindrops: (listen at 3:40 - 3:47) www.youtube.com/watch?v=VguEpMf-Rt0edit: I will leave this post as is, for now, but I haven't quite stated my own take on it correctly. (Sigh) Man this gets tough sometimes! Just understand that - until this post gets modified - everything I have written is flawed. In the meantime, would you say these are the same? I'll let you decide.
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Post by skyward on Jan 6, 2010 19:23:27 GMT -5
Judaism, Christianity, we know of John the Baptist and the practice of baptizing with Water, purifying, cleansing the body. And from Luke 3- "will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with Fire". The purifying nature of a Baptism with Fire, cleanse the Soul. What is lacking, what we don't hear about is the Baptism of Wind, and its purifying nature. Hmm... Hmm... "Spirit move me every time I'm near you. Whirling like a cyclone in my Mind. " Could it be Magic?
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Post by iameye on Jan 6, 2010 19:29:44 GMT -5
caught the LAST TRAIN for the coast, the day.... the music.... died
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Post by B on Jan 6, 2010 19:50:09 GMT -5
Hmmm. Makes me think of "catch the last train to Clarksville". I never knew Clarksville was a real place! I thought it was a make-believe name made up for the song. Clarksvilleen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarksville,_California EL DORADO And I don't know if I'm ever coming home
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Post by superman on Jan 7, 2010 5:13:42 GMT -5
A "beatle" is also used to break rocks. The "beetle" is the bug, but a b-e-a-t-l-e is a large mallet used for chipping and dressing stone.
What "rock" was the musical "Beatles" chipping away at? The church Peter "The Rock" founded? Maybe they were chipping away at Rock and Roll and rebuilding it?
"They've forgotten all about God ... the only reason we exist."
- George Harrison
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Post by B on Jan 7, 2010 11:24:54 GMT -5
Do you ever wake up one day and think of what you did the day before, and say, "What was I thinking?!" ? I look at my posts from yesterday, and it is as if somebody else posted them. "How could that person have been so brain-dead?", I ask myself. Then I remember it was I who posted them. I blame it on the tendency for us Virgos to get caught up in the minutia of things, and not seeing the bigger picture. Well....that, and the fact that the moon was in Libra, which is symbolized by the scales, which swing up and down 'til they come into balance, so yesterday was one swing; today is another! (Hey! So what if I'm bipolar? ) OK, let's get to the heart of the matter; let's get right to the point. The Peter Gabriel video for BIG TIME has absolutely nothing to do with Paul or Faul. (Or does it? )[/b] The story obviously is about the evolution (see how it all starts with amoebas and stuff?) of humanity. What is shown (thank you Apollo ) is that people evolve from slime and mud, and then come to think that they're really significant and important. They become obsessed with themselves. The song is about EGO, and perhaps having just a bit too much of it. Ah, but some interesting things were brought up along the way, weren't they! So let's have a look. More to come!
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Post by B on Jan 7, 2010 12:39:13 GMT -5
Where shall we start? How about with Superman's post about a beatle being a hammer used to chip stone. I was unaware of that term, not being a stone mason myself, but let's ask: "Were the Beatles about chipping away at the church Peter 'The Rock' founded, as Superman suggests?" mmmmm.... Maybe, in a manner of speaking, but not really, imo. I mean, George takes a shot at the Vatican's one-time majority ownership of General Motors in the song "Awaiting on You All" with the lines: "And while the Pope owns 51% of General Motors And the stock exchange is the only thing he's qualified to quote us" but then he adds: "The lord is awaiting on you all to awaken and see". The song also includes these lines: "You don't need no passport And you don't need no visas You don't need to designate or to emigrate Before you can see Jesus If you open up your heart You'll see he's right there Always was and will be He'll relieve you of your cares" Have a listen for yourself:So I would say not; that is: The Beatles were not about chipping away at the church that Peter "the Rock" founded, in the sense of it being a collection of people who constitute "the body" of Christ, at least. In other words, I'd say he wasn't attacking Christians so much as their accoutrements. Perhaps one might want to consider the Beatles in terms of being 'the hammer' to chip away at hearts of stone, eh? Would that work? All I know is that "the man on the flaming pie" told John to spell Beatles with an "A"; so he did. Perhaps for that very reason. The Rolling Stones, of course, sometimes seem to have been the "support group" for some of what the Beatles did. For example, Wendy Winters is not only the tour guide on the Magical Mystery Tour bus, but she get's mentioned in the Rolling Stone song "On With the Show" as well. So: is a song by The Rolling Stones called "Heart of Stone" a possible clue to the whole Beatle thing? I would have to think possibly so. You know: one of those "coincidences"/synchronistic events that seem to link the two groups like "Let It Be" and "Let It Bleed" coming out around the same time, and so on. There's more to come, folks!
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Post by greydove on Jan 7, 2010 13:35:47 GMT -5
I feel the need to state that I personally don't think Faul is a bad guy, and in commenting on the songs by Dylan and Peter Gabriel, I am trying to convey what I take to be their take on him, at least at the time those songs were written. I think that we're supposed to get that, at the beginning of his "Paul" career, he may have been full of arrogance and living to excess; offending everyone around him who knew what the real situation was. Surely he is the subject of the song " You're So Vain" by Carly Simon! ;D (OK, I'm just guessing.) But in any case, he, by his own admission, "used to be bad". And I have to think that when he sings what sounds like: " 'Hollywood Paul' is dead" in the song "Rinse the Raindrops" *, he is meaning to suggest that he is no longer the pompous individual he may have been at one time. The significance of that goes well beyond what it might seem to be on the surface, and no doubt I will probably have more to say about it shortly. * Rinse the Raindrops: (listen at 3:40 - 3:47) www.youtube.com/watch?v=VguEpMf-Rt0edit: I will leave this post as is, for now, but I haven't quite stated my own take on it correctly. (Sigh) Man this gets tough sometimes! Just understand that - until this post gets modified - everything I have written is flawed. In the meantime, would you say these are the same? I'll let you decide. Actually I wouldn't be so quick to retract this notion. Gabriel does seem to be referring to fame in the music industry making people big headed, and I don't think he's referring only to himself. He could very well be including Faul implicitly in these musings about the British music industry, as Faul has been accused of egotism before. His origins are 'monsterous' and slimy; unnatural, but "larger than life" according to the lyrics. Note, too, that there are multiple versions of this monster shown coming from the ground. (He may be one of a number of clones.) These scenes are immediately followed by the one where he is the eye in the illuminati pyramid. These images suggest he is not of a natural birth, but the result of a "mad scientist" / test tube experiment. (Something that has been brought up before here in the Rotten Apple section, as well as other places.) Its funny you should bring that up Letterb, as I noticed some interesting references to genetic sharing in the Steam video. Starting at 1:28 he's a chippendale dancer and the women (wearing masonic black and white) end up taking parts of him, his arms, legs. The whole video seems to suggest that he's slept with so many women, but its more than that as they seem to be interested in his genetic material. At the end of the video he's shaking a tree of life (DNA) and a baby falls out of the tree, into his arms. I also got a kick out of the Salome /John the Baptist reference at 1:43, who is the patron saint of Freemasonry.
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Post by greydove on Jan 7, 2010 13:50:27 GMT -5
[/Img] <--- Is that a scar over his lip?[/quote] Former Genesis drummer Phil Collins has slammed Paul McCartney - insisting he would never work with the star again. The star has collaborated with the former Beatle in the past, but is adamant McCartney's current 'musical direction' does not match his own high standards. He says, "I used to work with Paul, these days I wouldn't. I think he has the wrong sort of people around him. They let him make all the wrong musical choices."
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Post by greydove on Jan 7, 2010 13:56:29 GMT -5
The "Big Time" video has this VERY interesting sequence: "The place where I come from is a small town They think so small, they use small words... The next line is accompanied by this image: ...But not me, I'm smarter than that, I worked it out...
...I'll be stretching my mouth to let those big words come right out I've had enough, I'm getting out To the city, the big big city I'll be a big noise with all the big boys, so much stuff I will own And I will pray to a big god, as I kneel in the big church"
So Gabriel is basically telling us that he's exposing some esoteric knowledge in exchange for the next level of success. Yup. Here's the entire video, btw. Yeah, that pyramid/eye in the video gave me a bad start. I had forgotten it was in the video. I can remember asking my mom what that image meant when I was a kid. Like I clearly remember sitting at the dinner table and noticing that image for the first time and wondering what it meant. Strange. I tend to think people who are truly illuminated, like perhaps Gabriel, are allowed to reveal certain things that other artists might not be.
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