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Post by obladiblada on Feb 10, 2011 16:59:31 GMT -5
Hello everyone!! I’m a new member and I’m not sure that I’m capable to write on this forum.. English is not my mother language.. I hope you have patience. I’ve heard about this story eight months ago and I read a bit: this forum is very interesting for my puzzle. I think that Paul, in middle of sixties, don’t wanted remain on the scenes and he was replaced by a few of persons and then by one. I think he has always remained behind the scenes for most of the time, buti think the reason is that he didn’t feel well. I see this: 1. On the paperback writer video and in a lot of pictures he appear depressed, sad, swallen, absent, like he feel bad; 2. In an interview of 2009 Paul Mcartney said that in the middle of sixties he nearly gave up Beatles because he was getting ill with nerves for the stage fright; 3. On the cover of Sgt Pepper’s Lonely Heart Club Band there are two psycoanalysts, Jung and Freud; 4. Also, there is Nietzsche:e went crazy and he was hospitalized in a psychiatric clinic; 5. In a thread in this forum is told the story about a journalist who claimed there were two McCartney: he tought Paul had any injury to the head and he was ill. ...to be continued..
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Post by B on Feb 10, 2011 17:14:31 GMT -5
Welcome obladiblada. I'll wait for the "continued" part before I comment. ;D
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Post by obladiblada on Feb 10, 2011 17:19:49 GMT -5
Any Beatle’s song, my opinion, made a reference to this desease: ALL TOGETHER NOW A, B, C, D Can I bring my friend to tea? (bring? Not invite?)Black, white, green, red Can I take my friend to bed? (Why John have to take to bed his friend? And why he have to ask anyone this? Maybe his friend is in a clinic?) COME TOGETHER he's got spinal cracker He's got feet down below his knee Hold you in his arms till you can feel his disease (Talk about a person who become violent due to an illness)HEY BULLDOG Sheepdog, standing in the rain Bullfrog, doing it again (Maybe first sign of disease is leave the dog under the rain, if he used to keep the dog at home)Some kind of happiness is measured out in miles (When John went to the hospital)Child-like, no one understands (Paul had a child-face)Jack knife, in your sweaty hands Some kind of innocence is measured out in years You don’t know what it’s like to listen to your fears (Perhaps persecution complex, he become violent because think that anyone want to hurt him)LADY MADONNA Lady Madonna, lying on the bed. Listen to the music playing in your head. ( Like a depressed) DEAR PRUDENCE The whole song is referred to a person depressed, that won’t to get out and see all beautiful things in the world around. Dear Prudence, won't you come out to play Dear Prudence, greet the brand new day The sun is up, the sky is blue It's beautiful and so are you Dear Prudence won't you come out to play OCTOPUS GARDEN I'd like to be under the sea In an octopus' garden in the shade The octopus make his garden with shells and gravels in front of his den on the rock, stay in the rock and wait for fish, if enemy go near, he take all the things in the den and hide himself behind all that. I read that Ringo write this song during a trip in Sardinia, in Italy octopus is said Polpo (Paul-Po). Is referred to anyone that don’t get out from his den. :)What do you think? P.S. I apologize for my english.
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Post by obladiblada on Feb 10, 2011 17:20:48 GMT -5
hi Letter B!!
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Post by B on Feb 10, 2011 19:58:00 GMT -5
Hi obladiblada! Well, I think you're on the right track with the observations about Paul being "childlike" in some of the songs, but as for "Come Together", I don' t think it fits. You wrote: Hold you in his arms till you can feel his diseasebut the line is actually: "Hold you in his armchair you can feel his disease" and I have never been able to make sense of it. Still, "Dear Prudence" does speak about someone coming "out to play" the way a child does. That song is supposedly about Mia Farrow's sister, but there may be other implications to it. The "alternate white album cover" which was not used appears to show Paul as a child. I think of the song, "Don't Pass Me By", and the line about someone being in a car crash, and losing their hair. That would suggest possibly a head wound that might make someone childlike. And of course you've already mentioned the line in "Hey Bull Dog": "Child-like, no one understands" but what does this mean?! "Jack knife, in your sweaty hands Some kind of innocence is measured out in years" So - yes - you've got some of the things right. A poster who used to post here called Paul "Dear Boy", so he may have known something. I would rule out "Altogether Now" though. In English that has a more sexual meaning. ;D Keep up the good work!
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Post by B on Feb 10, 2011 20:49:41 GMT -5
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Post by Doc on Feb 11, 2011 3:06:30 GMT -5
Hi obladiblada! Well, I think you're on the right track with the observations about Paul being "childlike" in some of the songs, but as for "Come Together", I don' t think it fits. You wrote: Hold you in his arms till you can feel his diseasebut the line is actually: "Hold you in his armchair you can feel his disease" and I have never been able to make sense of it. Still, "Dear Prudence" does speak about someone coming "out to play" the way a child does. That song is supposedly about Mia Farrow's sister, but there may be other implications to it. The "alternate white album cover" which was not used appears to show Paul as a child. I think of the song, "Don't Pass Me By", and the line about someone being in a car crash, and losing their hair. That would suggest possibly a head wound that might make someone childlike. And of course you've already mentioned the line in "Hey Bull Dog": "Child-like, no one understands" but what does this mean?! "Jack knife, in your sweaty hands Some kind of innocence is measured out in years" So - yes - you've got some of the things right. A poster who used to post here called Paul "Dear Boy", so he may have known something. I would rule out "Altogether Now" though. In English that has a more sexual meaning. ;D Keep up the good work! I think that much of this post may in fact be the true answer.
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Post by obladiblada on Feb 11, 2011 17:01:42 GMT -5
Thanks for the answer and for the encouragement… “In English that has a more sexual meaning.” ;DSure!!! In my language too!!! But it seems too clamorous for that time… In this case it may be a clue for another matter… More Donnie Darko than Sam. Sam, absolutely, not. “No one understand (the) jack-knife in your sweaty hands”Could be a man who defend himself against an enemy that only him sees.. no one understand because no one see the invisible enemy. It happen in schizophrenics, for example. Other symptoms: blunted affect (the dog under the rain), lack of motivation (paperback writer video), asociality (lady Madonna lying on the bed and the octopus hiding in his den). Only to speak. The substance is that Paul had a period of high stress nervous and the incident of December 1966 caused him a breakdown. Some months later he returns back but not on the stage. Although…
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Post by obladiblada on Feb 11, 2011 17:22:24 GMT -5
I don’t know if anyone said this before. Uploaded with ImageShack.usUploaded with ImageShack.usthese picture are from the sgt pepper’s promotional party, and I see two different guys. Can anyone be so different from himself in the time of a pair of minute? Uploaded with ImageShack.us
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Post by B on Feb 12, 2011 10:44:37 GMT -5
;D Good eye, obladiblada! I don't know what to say. It could just be the different cameras used, or perhaps a stand-in for Paul. He seems to be wearing the same clothes.
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Post by johan on Feb 12, 2011 11:28:01 GMT -5
To me, the pics look similar enough to be the same person. To answer the question "Can anyone look so different from himself in the time of a pair of minutes?" I'll ask you to direct your attention to the image of Ringo in both photos, and most particularly his mustache.
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Post by ramone on Feb 12, 2011 11:44:29 GMT -5
To me, the pics look similar enough to be the same person. To answer the question "Can anyone look so different from himself in the time of a pair of minutes?" I'll ask you to direct your attention to the image of Ringo in both photos, and most particularly his mustache. I was noticing the exact same thing yesterday and was about to comment on that then scrolled down to see your post. Hair, a tie etc could be out of position even a short time later - but one stache is certainly different from the other pic to pic. At this point at least I can’t chalk it up to black and white/color pic differences. One just seems to have much more growth.
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Feb 12, 2011 11:45:08 GMT -5
I don’t know if anyone said this before. Uploaded with ImageShack.usUploaded with ImageShack.usthese picture are from the sgt pepper’s promotional party, and I see two different guys. Can anyone be so different from himself in the time of a pair of minute? Uploaded with ImageShack.usI'm with johan on this. Ringo is the most compelling case for a double in these two shots, followed by Paul. To me, the two Lennons look the same. Again though, good catch obladi. P(D)
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Feb 12, 2011 12:22:20 GMT -5
I don’t know if anyone said this before. Uploaded with ImageShack.usUploaded with ImageShack.usthese picture are from the sgt pepper’s promotional party, and I see two different guys. Can anyone be so different from himself in the time of a pair of minute? Uploaded with ImageShack.usI'm with johan on this. Ringo is the most compelling case for a double in these two shots, followed by Paul. To me, the two Lennons look the same. Again though, good catch obladi. P(D) And btw... "Now the half-time air was sweet perfume While the sergeants played a marching tune We all got up to dance Oh, but we never got the chance! 'cause the players tried to take the field The marching band refused to yieldDo you recall what was revealed?"
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Post by jarvitronics on Feb 12, 2011 17:41:37 GMT -5
To me, the pics look similar enough to be the same person. To answer the question "Can anyone look so different from himself in the time of a pair of minutes?" I'll ask you to direct your attention to the image of Ringo in both photos, and most particularly his mustache. I shall answer this question farther. Faces in motion produce effigies that are radically different from the same faces at rest. Compare these two stills, from a single scene, captured mere moments apart . Cherubic Paul becomes Long Paul in an instant; you will also note the profound change in the shape of John's nose, from hooked to rounded: This is not the most pronounced example of such phenomena, but it is one I was able to produce quickly, with almost zero effort. Watch it for yourself; both stills occur during the second at 0:48: -j
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Post by ramone on Feb 13, 2011 11:20:04 GMT -5
In the two pics there is a striking difference concerning mustache. If these were taken within minutes with perhaps a few different photogs it'd probably be hard to swap out. Could be the B&W caught shadow somehow. I dunno. I looked thru quite a few pics and there's a variety look wise. have some fun, have a look - www.nemsworld.com/beatles/67pp/party.htm
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Post by obladiblada on Feb 13, 2011 16:49:40 GMT -5
Thanks Letter B and P(D)enny La(i)ne… Jarface, sure, face in motion can look very different. Static faces, much less. Otherwise we could not make any comparison on the photos. Ramone, thanks for posting the link. About Ringo mustache, really I don’t know, but it could be in the logic of the session. Apollo said, if I correctly understand, the solution was in plain sight and that the Beatles have told the whole story with Sgt Pepper, on the cover, in pictures and lyrics. They WANTED people to know. Perhaps this session was part of their project, showing two different Pauls wearing identical clothes (and maybe showing Ringo whit false mustache, i don't know). But, just like all the other things, people did not undestand.
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Post by obladiblada on Feb 13, 2011 16:56:28 GMT -5
Other pictures from Sgt Pepper's Party Same guy (Paul). Same guy (Bill).
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Post by B on Feb 13, 2011 18:03:54 GMT -5
Well, it's somebody, but not necessarily Paul, imo. In fact, notPaul imo, but we've been down this road a hundred times. Someone playing the part.
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Post by GN on Feb 14, 2011 4:11:03 GMT -5
Same guy (Paul). Same guy (Bill).
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Post by obladiblada on Feb 14, 2011 13:58:15 GMT -5
I read this forum for a while, I saw the photo comparison… I’m not as good, not even try.. ;D My aim is to propose the possibility that Paul was behind the curtains in 1967. In my opinion this guy looks a bit different from Paul (as he was in 1964, 1965 and 1966), he seems swallen in his face, but if I’m right and Paul had psychiatric problems, at that time he was under treatment with medications that have that effect too. I see the same guy in those pictures, whit his dog and with his father.. pay attention to his height in comparison to his father.
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Post by iameye on Feb 14, 2011 14:20:24 GMT -5
I dunno, He looks more and more like the Old Man every day. lol ;D
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Post by obladiblada on Feb 14, 2011 14:40:16 GMT -5
;D sure!!!!
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Post by obladiblada on Feb 15, 2011 15:09:15 GMT -5
her? sorry but i don't understand..
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Post by obladiblada on Feb 15, 2011 15:17:49 GMT -5
I think there is a connection between those pictures: maybe Bill wanted to give us a clue...
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