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Post by il ras on Mar 3, 2011 14:28:46 GMT -5
Ok guys, I need your help.
I commissioned a biometric comparison to a specialist.
I have to provide him photos.
I need especially those of teeth and profiles.
But others are welcome.
Do you have any suggestion?
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Post by B on Mar 3, 2011 14:57:04 GMT -5
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Post by il ras on Mar 3, 2011 15:23:32 GMT -5
Thank you Letter B.
Someone else?
As I said, he asked to focus on teeth and profile.
I already collected some pics but would like to see if with a little help from my friend from NIR I can get more
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Post by lilyknows on Mar 3, 2011 17:48:04 GMT -5
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Post by il ras on Mar 3, 2011 19:42:33 GMT -5
The comparison will be super fair: this guy is a real pro and doesn't want to ruin his name for the PID|PIA controversy.
In any case the pics should be first of all BIG: pics of a good quality are better, no need to explain why... 2): pics of Teeth and profiles... as much as you can find
many thanks, really
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Post by lilyknows on Mar 4, 2011 3:55:30 GMT -5
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Post by the♂winged on Mar 4, 2011 9:06:56 GMT -5
Someone must request a biometric analysis of the other Beatles - John, George, Ringo. Yes, I'm serious. I have some comps myself, but noone ever wondered about these guys so seriously. Were the others replaced - yes or no, the answer must be given by a biometric analysis, I believe.
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Post by lilyknows on Mar 4, 2011 11:10:39 GMT -5
Someone must request a biometric analysis of the other Beatles - John, George, Ringo. Yes, I'm serious. I have some comps myself, but noone ever wondered about these guys so seriously. Were the others replaced - yes or no, the answer must be given by a biometric analysis, I believe. exactly. this would be a good way to verify the analysis. if changes can be found by a photographic analysis, maybe they can be found by all four. of course that wouldn't mean that they all got replaced but that this kind of analysis of published pictures has no validity - thus you could conclude: paul didn't change more then the others. he might be the same guy, just as the other lads.
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Post by obladiblada on Mar 4, 2011 13:38:57 GMT -5
Hi il ras, it's a good idea.. for my curiosity, i would check the photos of the sergeant Pepper party in may 1967, in which it seems to me, there are both Paul and Bill.. maybe...
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Post by FP on Mar 4, 2011 17:52:41 GMT -5
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Post by eyesbleed on Mar 4, 2011 22:55:08 GMT -5
^ It's all the same guy, why would they switch places? So they could both hit the open bar?
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Post by JoJo on Mar 4, 2011 23:45:55 GMT -5
^ It's all the same guy, why would they switch places? So they could both hit the open bar? Sounds like a plan, LOL. Oh Flaming Pie, still so serious and determined.. Ilras, your and your friend's project is well served by making a request for pics from everyone, good idea.
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Post by ramone on Mar 5, 2011 11:14:05 GMT -5
^ It's all the same guy, why would they switch places? So they could both hit the open bar? Yeeehahhhh! Of course pics should be verified to be vintage or it sorta negates the whole thing.
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Post by FP on Mar 5, 2011 11:29:06 GMT -5
Oh Flaming Pie, still so serious and determined.. LOL, not really, haven't posted anything in months!
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Post by GN on Mar 5, 2011 19:14:00 GMT -5
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Post by ramone on Mar 5, 2011 23:49:49 GMT -5
Thinking of one of GN's Do you really need biometrics for this one? Looks like his ears are almost stapled to his head relative to JPM's. Do you really think if someone had no idea who Paul M was, and they were shown these pics - that they wouldn't think these were different people - just based on ears? I mean if you said they'd be given 10 grand for their best one guess evaluation - the $'s riding on it.... (and yup, there's a reason I picked age difference pics)
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Post by ramone on Mar 5, 2011 23:56:27 GMT -5
Same deal really - 10 grand hanging in the balance!....
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Post by ramone on Mar 6, 2011 0:00:37 GMT -5
Think these two guys are the same?
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Post by ramone on Mar 6, 2011 0:14:47 GMT -5
Let's look at profile: At least in this shot - We can see the chin is suspect at least, the nose even more. How about a biometric of the nose in relation to the eye. Go from the bridge of the nose to the cornea - you know - where you'd drop a contact on. Looks like you'd have to take hey jude paul and blow it up 50% to come up with the same length as JPM on left. I'd be interested to see if biometrics would agree that there's quite a difference between the two. Some things you can bat around, but the portrait shot ear thing, well...
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Post by iameye on Mar 6, 2011 8:24:22 GMT -5
I mean if you said they'd be given 10 grand for their best one guess evaluation - the $'s riding on it.... (and yup, there's a reason I picked age difference pics) Father Abraham, Alpha to Omega, to bind up the brokenhearted. let it be
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Post by ramone on Mar 6, 2011 9:15:57 GMT -5
Well within an earshot.
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Post by ramone on Mar 6, 2011 9:38:08 GMT -5
Think these two guys are the same? As long as we're at it. Speaking of ears - I took my handy dandy HBMMD (home biometric manual measuring device) and checked one particular area. I measured from the very tip of JPM's side burn point (edge of face) and went west (our view) to the edge of his right ear. It's about 8mm or 5/16 in. (your mileage may vary). I took the HBMMD and did the same for HJ 'paul' - and guess what? There's just air where there should be ear! It's like his ear got lopped off right before sitting down to play. Yes, yes, hair is covering it - but do a common sense transplant of JPM's ear over to the other pic. And if you don't trust your eyes use your HBMMD and you'll see it measures beyond hair right to air. If it was in fact the same guy, we'd see flesh sitting there where there's air. Anyway, HJ paul looks so different from JPM it's kinda creepy isn't it? Never mind the missing portion of ear thing.
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Post by iameye on Mar 6, 2011 9:50:03 GMT -5
He was having his Bar Bat Mitzvah! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Payotsimanim boy lol ;D check it out @ 3:11 The White Lion arrives via a blue suit. lol
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Post by ramone on Mar 6, 2011 11:56:04 GMT -5
If anything the bottom pic seems more JPMish - and certainly the chin is different in the shot. (re 8) But, I'd have to go with FP here - would be pretty difficult to switch if we assume this shoot was done in just a short period of time. Except for a 'hey we pulled it off' there doesn't seem to be much point.
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Post by iameye on Mar 6, 2011 18:15:19 GMT -5
If anything the bottom pic seems more JPMish - and certainly the chin is different in the shot. (re 8) But, I'd have to go with FP here - would be pretty difficult to switch if we assume this shoot was done in just a short period of time. Except for a 'hey we pulled it off' there doesn't seem to be much point. oh well, there was a point. really!
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