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Post by iwilliam on Oct 12, 2012 16:21:41 GMT -5
I was reading a post in another forum, the content of which seemed kind of convoluted or mixed up. Something about something-or-other detracting from the political message of "revolution 9." Someone pointed out that the song has nothing to do with politics (I have no idea what the original author was thinking, there, TBH) But it got me thinking....
....due to...well, I suppose lots of reasons... I'm sure when many hear the title "revolution 9" they think of a revolution. Y'know... like the ones in 1776. A political revolution. But this, of course, is not the only meaning of the word. In fact, I suspect the political meaning was derived from the original meaning (though I don't know this for a fact) -- in that the notion of power changing hands could be seen as a TURNING AROUND.
Revolution, of course, means to spin, right?
Revolution what?
Revolution 9.
What happens when you revolve a 9?
It becomes a 6.
It still has meaning.
The Beatles have told us, via this song title, that this "song" will still have meaning if revolved THE OTHER WAY.
I was quite amused when this occurred to me.
Discuss.
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Post by seasaltcaramel on Oct 12, 2012 17:09:06 GMT -5
I was reading a post in another forum, the content of which seemed kind of convoluted or mixed up. Something about something-or-other detracting from the political message of "revolution 9." Someone pointed out that the song has nothing to do with politics (I have no idea what the original author was thinking, there, TBH) But it got me thinking.... ....due to...well, I suppose lots of reasons... I'm sure when many hear the title "revolution 9" they think of a revolution. Y'know... like the ones in 1776. A political revolution. But this, of course, is not the only meaning of the word. In fact, I suspect the political meaning was derived from the original meaning (though I don't know this for a fact) -- in that the notion of power changing hands could be seen as a TURNING AROUND. Revolution, of course, means to spin, right? Revolution what? Revolution 9. What happens when you revolve a 9? It becomes a 6. It still has meaning. The Beatles have told us, via this song title, that this "song" will still have meaning if revolved THE OTHER WAY. I was quite amused when this occurred to me. Discuss. my aunt enjoyed plays. she had one book i read before i heard "happiness is a warm gun". it is a play written by jack gelber. in it a group of jazz musicians are waiting for their two friends to arrive with heroin. there are other forces at work mind you. when the two friends arrive mother superior is with them. mother superior proceeds to wonder why all the musicians are going in and out of the bathroom. she senses something is wrong. i was listening to penny lane and got this message: George Martian - the Barber Brian Epstein - the Banker John Lennon - the Fireman Grace Kelly - the Nurse the banker and the barber share the first verse and the fireman and the nurse share the second verse. the third verse is why i speculate in penny lane the fireman is john lennon. at this point paul has died and is by a garden with pennies over his eyes. time is blurring. jack gelber the connection nineteen hundred and yesterday.
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Post by linus on Oct 17, 2012 0:28:11 GMT -5
George Martian - the Barber Brian Epstein - the Banker John Lennon - the Fireman Grace Kelly - the Nurse the banker and the barber share the first verse and the fireman and the nurse share the second verse. the third verse is why i speculate in penny lane the fireman is john lennon. at this point paul has died and is by a garden with pennies over his eyes. time is blurring. I can't remember which book I transcribed this from, but I loved the way he wrote it, I always felt the commonly-perceived poppy simplicity of this song overshadowed it's innovative complexities as well as it's inner melancholy and strangeness. I think the book was Tell Me Why by Tim Riley With its double diminutive name, Penny Lane sounds like a place out of everyone’s childhood, populated by the sort of archetypal adults – the barber, the banker, the fireman – one finds in picture books. Penny Lane distills the spirit of the time perfectly with its vision of blue suburban skies and boundless confident vigor. And by capturing the prevailing practice of old customs being refreshed through and remade through the creative energy of the young & classless. Penny Lane is something much more complex than a pleasant expression of musical nostalgia: its real subject is the distinction between a place as it exists in the glow of memory and a place as it really exists. The third verse begins with the image of the fireman and his hour-glass. Faintly surreal, faintly anachronistic, the hour-glass evokes the ‘sands of time’, and when the minor chord sounds beneath the line, embellished by a pair of drooping flutes, something about this fireman seems inexpressibly sad. But then the fireman rings his bell as if to dispel the gloom - and the piccolo trumpet, which accompanies the childlike tapestry of the song, rings out impossibly high and bright, rippling over the chords of the verse in a neo-baroque pastiche of every fanfare ever blown. In the refrain that follows this magical interlude, the Beatles test the strength of its spell by substituting the line “the blues suburban skies” with a pair of Liverpudlian indelicacies, “four of fish and finger pies”, which skewers the innocence of the song. A fictional character who ponders the way that life seems to imitate art, the Pirandellian nurse in the fourth verse is one of the Beatles’ most remarkable creations. Young and pretty and smartly dressed, she enters the song laden with historical baggage, holding a tray of the red-paper poppies that mark the annual observation of Britain’s Rememberance Day. Yet she carries this burden with an air if girlish distraction that makes the barber, the banker and the fireman seem frozen in their roles. Compared with them, she’s so modern in her self-consciousness, imaging herself as an actress in the theatre –of-the-roundabout at Penny Lane. Which only adds to the startling impact of Paul’s pronouncement that “she is anyway” There is a world of sensibility wrapped up in that line, which is left to hover between perfect wisdom and perfect whimsy as the action returns to the barbershop for the tiny anti-climax – the barber working, the banker waiting, the fireman rushing in – that passes for a denouement in the diminutive world of the song. Leading Paul to reaffirm that amidst the idyllic tone of this scene lies something… “very strange!” What’s truly strange, of course, is the weather in this song: pouring rain in the verses, blue skies in the refrain. Nostalgia by definition improves upon the past, but it isn’t just the singer who’s got the forecast wrong. The banker is so oblivious to the elements that he doesn’t bother to wear an overcoat. And the fireman reacts to the downpour as if the sky were falling down. Add to them the image of the pretty nurse and her poppies, and the blue skies of Penny Lane remembered begin to conform to the twentieth-century Britain’s most poignant meteorological cliché. They are drawn from the same inexhaustible Edwardian high-pressure system that supplied the perfect weather for a nostalgic vision of the past that memorialized by the carnage of the Great War, retained its hold on the country’s historical imagination for generations to come. “In those days it seemed the sun would always shine”, recalls one of the characters in Alan Bennet’s elegiac stage play Forty Years On. “Then in 1914 it begins to rain and all through the war and after it never stops… The war and everything that comes after: grey and wet and misty and nasty.” In an intuitive act of genius that could never have been conceptualized, the Beatles conjured an entire world of meaning in this ostensibly simple, carefree song. The barber, the banker and the fireman of Penny Lane are figures in a dream – an orderly, imperial dream of sunny skies and clean machines and well-trimmed head that generations of oblivious Englishmen had once pursued to the very ends of the earth, back in a time when poppies were simply flowers, not symbols of national mourning. In Penny Lane it’s the grown-ups who are living a fiction, just as the nurse suspects, and it’s only the little children, laughing behind the banker’s back, who see that the rain is pouring down. Yet the consummate honesty of the song lies with Paul’s unwillingness to exempt himself from any of this. While the satirist in him is capable of seeing the dream for what it is and skewering it mercilessly, the sentimentalist in him continues to believe in the stately vision of those blue suburban skies. Like the nurse, he is, anyway. As he sings the phrase “Penny Lane” near the end, the key of the refrain modulates from A to b major, the key of the verse. The effect is magical, like that of a person stepping into a photograph. The key shift towards the end of the song brings the two musical worlds together, the past is brought to life by the present, much like in In My Life. (sorry to get off topic, iwilliam)
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Post by B on Oct 17, 2012 3:14:34 GMT -5
from: invanddis.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=Clues&action=display&thread=6754" mysterytramp.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=clues&thread=2&page=1#ixzz1gokOt6NX <--- corrected----------------------------------------------------- This discussion is a bit complex, but the short version is that "Revolution 9" may be a prophecy of John's death. The "block that kick", for example, might point to the fact that John Lennon's death was announced to the nation [in the USA] by Howard Cosell just prior to the end of a football game. Fascinatin'. "More recently I've had the impression that Revolution 9 may be the soundtrack of someone moving forward and backward through time, as if events were recorded 'in time' as on a record or a CD which could be played forward and backward. Also - somewhere here - there is a thread about a notion of John's that there would be nine (r)evolutions in the history of humanity, and the ninth would be their decision to turn their backs on violence. getting back to iwilliam's opening post.... Jimi Hendrix Experience - If 6 was 9www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjOsMvgAMn8
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Post by iameye on Oct 17, 2012 4:51:25 GMT -5
George Martian - the Barber Brian Epstein - the Banker John Lennon - the Fireman Grace Kelly - the Nurse the banker and the barber share the first verse and the fireman and the nurse share the second verse. the third verse is why i speculate in penny lane the fireman is john lennon. at this point paul has died and is by a garden with pennies over his eyes. time is blurring. I can't remember which book I transcribed this from, but I loved the way he wrote it, I always felt the commonly-perceived poppy simplicity of this song overshadowed it's innovative complexities as well as it's inner melancholy and strangeness. I think the book was Tell Me Why by Tim Riley With its double diminutive name, Penny Lane sounds like a place out of everyone’s childhood, populated by the sort of archetypal adults – the barber, the banker, the fireman – one finds in picture books. Penny Lane distills the spirit of the time perfectly with its vision of blue suburban skies and boundless confident vigor. And by capturing the prevailing practice of old customs being refreshed through and remade through the creative energy of the young & classless. Penny Lane is something much more complex than a pleasant expression of musical nostalgia: its real subject is the distinction between a place as it exists in the glow of memory and a place as it really exists. The third verse begins with the image of the fireman and his hour-glass. Faintly surreal, faintly anachronistic, the hour-glass evokes the ‘sands of time’, and when the minor chord sounds beneath the line, embellished by a pair of drooping flutes, something about this fireman seems inexpressibly sad. But then the fireman rings his bell as if to dispel the gloom - and the piccolo trumpet, which accompanies the childlike tapestry of the song, rings out impossibly high and bright, rippling over the chords of the verse in a neo-baroque pastiche of every fanfare ever blown. In the refrain that follows this magical interlude, the Beatles test the strength of its spell by substituting the line “the blues suburban skies” with a pair of Liverpudlian indelicacies, “four of fish and finger pies”, which skewers the innocence of the song. A fictional character who ponders the way that life seems to imitate art, the Pirandellian nurse in the fourth verse is one of the Beatles’ most remarkable creations. Young and pretty and smartly dressed, she enters the song laden with historical baggage, holding a tray of the red-paper poppies that mark the annual observation of Britain’s Rememberance Day. Yet she carries this burden with an air if girlish distraction that makes the barber, the banker and the fireman seem frozen in their roles. Compared with them, she’s so modern in her self-consciousness, imaging herself as an actress in the theatre –of-the-roundabout at Penny Lane. Which only adds to the startling impact of Paul’s pronouncement that “she is anyway” There is a world of sensibility wrapped up in that line, which is left to hover between perfect wisdom and perfect whimsy as the action returns to the barbershop for the tiny anti-climax – the barber working, the banker waiting, the fireman rushing in – that passes for a denouement in the diminutive world of the song. Leading Paul to reaffirm that amidst the idyllic tone of this scene lies something… “very strange!” What’s truly strange, of course, is the weather in this song: pouring rain in the verses, blue skies in the refrain. Nostalgia by definition improves upon the past, but it isn’t just the singer who’s got the forecast wrong. The banker is so oblivious to the elements that he doesn’t bother to wear an overcoat. And the fireman reacts to the downpour as if the sky were falling down. Add to them the image of the pretty nurse and her poppies, and the blue skies of Penny Lane remembered begin to conform to the twentieth-century Britain’s most poignant meteorological cliché. They are drawn from the same inexhaustible Edwardian high-pressure system that supplied the perfect weather for a nostalgic vision of the past that memorialized by the carnage of the Great War, retained its hold on the country’s historical imagination for generations to come. “In those days it seemed the sun would always shine”, recalls one of the characters in Alan Bennet’s elegiac stage play Forty Years On. “Then in 1914 it begins to rain and all through the war and after it never stops… The war and everything that comes after: grey and wet and misty and nasty.” In an intuitive act of genius that could never have been conceptualized, the Beatles conjured an entire world of meaning in this ostensibly simple, carefree song. The barber, the banker and the fireman of Penny Lane are figures in a dream – an orderly, imperial dream of sunny skies and clean machines and well-trimmed head that generations of oblivious Englishmen had once pursued to the very ends of the earth, back in a time when poppies were simply flowers, not symbols of national mourning. In Penny Lane it’s the grown-ups who are living a fiction, just as the nurse suspects, and it’s only the little children, laughing behind the banker’s back, who see that the rain is pouring down. Yet the consummate honesty of the song lies with Paul’s unwillingness to exempt himself from any of this. While the satirist in him is capable of seeing the dream for what it is and skewering it mercilessly, the sentimentalist in him continues to believe in the stately vision of those blue suburban skies. Like the nurse, he is, anyway. As he sings the phrase “Penny Lane” near the end, the key of the refrain modulates from A to b major, the key of the verse. The effect is magical, like that of a person stepping into a photograph. The key shift towards the end of the song brings the two musical worlds together, the past is brought to life by the present, much like in In My Life. (sorry to get off topic, iwilliam) www.thefreedictionary.com/title+deed" The barber, the banker and the fireman of Penny Lane are figures in a dream – an orderly, imperial dream of sunny skies and clean machines and well-trimmed head that generations of oblivious Englishmen had once pursued to the very ends of the earth, back in a time when poppies were simply flowers, not symbols of national mourning."
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Post by iameye on Oct 17, 2012 9:11:31 GMT -5
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Post by linus on Oct 17, 2012 13:33:26 GMT -5
Penny Lane trumpeter David Mason.
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Post by linus on Oct 17, 2012 13:53:21 GMT -5
B, the mystery tramp link isn't working. B and iwilliam, there's a thread somewhere (maybe not this forum) that explains how when John's death was announced during a football game, the camera was zoomed in on a certain specific player that was somehow connected with John. Does anyone know what I'm talking about? Is that the thread you tried to link to, B? Here's the announcement during the football game as kicker John Smith takes the field. Some highlights I was able to grab from a mystery tramp thread (that I was also allowed to edit?) Forgive me B, if this is the thread you tried to link to, and it worked for other people. December 8th 1941 is when the US entered WWII Operation 40 takes part in the Bay of Pigs invasion among their other follies. The Bay of Pigs invasion plan was presented to the group in charge of CIA covert operations on December 8th 1960. Now, you may notice that this date is exactly 20 years before John Lennon's death. Still about people though, right? After CIA agent Howard Hunt is identified as part of the Watergate operation, his wife dies in a plane crash, carrying over $10,000 on December 8th 1972. Again, the date John Lennon died on. Hotel California ends with "Relax said the nightman, we are programmed to receive, you can check out any time you like, but you can never leave." Release date, December 8th 1976. Coincidence I'm sure... Then on December 8th 1980 who is the nightman at the Dakota? Oh look, Jose Perdomo from Operation 40. Between the Hiroshima bomb and John Lennon's death was 2 sets of exactly 922 weeks, to the day. Precisely 922 weeks to the day after the bomb was dropped, on April 8th 1963, Julian Lennon was born. Then, when Julian was exactly 922 weeks old, again to the day, John Lennon was assassinated. Hold that line, block that kick. The announcement of John Lennon's death on Monday Night Football on December 8th 1980 by Howard Cosell, delivered as New England was lining up to kick a field goal with :03 seconds remaining. Note the raised hands of the Patriots as Cosell speaks, mimicking the hand over Paul's head as well as the nod of John Smith to coincide with Dead on Arrival. With all of the effort that has been put into seeing what happened with Paul, you don't suppose that maybe part of the point was to not see what happened with John? Of course most of us know that the picture below, with John selling tickets, contains the initials of Mark David Chapman and was part of Magical Mystery Tour, which was released exactly 13 years before John's death on December 8th 1967. The scene itself however was shot on September 22nd, it was shot on 9/22. Ticket to Ride itself is significant as well, its the song buried underneath the heartbeat at the end of Dark Side of the Moon... Ironically, on Julian's 3rd birthday the April 8th 1966 issue of Time was the infamous Is God dead issue. On page 8 of the story www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,835309-8,00.html is a reference to a mock obituary for God written by an Atlanta based periodical called Motive, that lists God's date of death as November 9th of all dates. This also was the issue being read in the doctor's office by Mia Farrow in Rosemary's Baby. Nietzsche referred to God is dead for the first time I believe in the Gay Science in 1882. Between the first Atomic bomb at Hiroshima and John Lennon's death was exactly 1844 weeks; or two sets of exactly 922 weeks. Exactly between those two sets of 922 weeks, to the day, his son was born. You'd have to reason out why this would be, but interestingly enough John later marries a Japanese woman, was ultimately shot by someone living in Hawaii who bought his gun from a dealer named Ono on the same date the US declared war after Pearl Harbor and was taken to Roosevelt Hospital. John for a John, Johnajeams, led it be. -- Finnegan's Wake in 1939 Joyce wrote Finnegan's Wake over a 17-year-span, concurrent with Hitler's rise to power and did so deliberately courting random input. The Illuminatus Trilogy found the Atomic Formula in Finnegan's Wake, released 3 years before the formula was discovered. willemaus.wordpress.com/2011/07/07/922-the-conspiracy/Here's a link to a TKIN thread that seems to mirror the mystery tramp one: 60if.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=lennon&action=print&thread=3365All of this begins to slowly change however when John meets Yoko on, of course, November 9th 1966. And this is where the two paths cross. One is what was actually intended with the One One One X drum clue and the other is that John's life path was profoundly altered by meeting Yoko Ono on the date pointed to on the drum. Of course it should be understood that at the point that Sgt. Pepper was released, the meaning of the drum clue as it related to John's path could not yet have been known...and I will reiterate what is in the other thread. For the drum clue to have been planned at all means that the Lonely Hearts name must have been concocted with a drum clue in mind right from the very beginning. Ordinal position of the letters L and H is 12 and 8. Which by the way also happens to be December 8th. JFK was killed on November 22nd 1963, exactly 922 days before June 1st 1966 (6/66). Besides the Beatles 2nd LP and the first broadcast of Beatlemania in the US which both also happened on November 22nd 1963, two other prominent authors died. CS Lewis and Aldous Huxley both died on November 22nd 1963. Again, L and H... This starts the United States down a road towards the Gulf of Tonkin incident, which rather incredibly happens to a US Naval Fleet led by Jim Morrison's father and leads to the perfect set of conditions to create the sixties. Jim Morrison in fact was born on December 8th... Rosemary's Baby: Release date of Ira Levin's book, March 12th 1967. As we know by now, Charles Manson's group at random killed the wife of Roman Polanski and the next night killed a woman named Rosemary. Mark David Chapman then realizes all of this standing in front of the Dakota, where the movie was filmed, and uses this in part as his rationale for following through on his assassination of John Lennon who happens to live in the building where the movie was made. Of course, as he ruminates about this, Mia Farrow happens to walk right past him on her way to Central Park. Prominent characters in the book are Minnie Castevet (MC) and her husband Roman, the key characters in fostering a demonic conspiracy. Pg. 156 "I got the shirt that was in the New Yorker", he said going to the bedroom. "Hey" he called, "On a Clear Day and Skyscraper are both closing". A bit 9/11'ish, no? Terry Gionoffrio dies on September 18th 1965 in the book. Rosemary's encounter with Satan then takes place on October 4th 1965. These dates may be recognized as the dates of deaths in 1970 of both Jimi Hendrix and Janis Joplin. Rosemary later, when trying to piece together the conspiracy against her, remembers back to Roman having lunch with Donald Baumgart, congratulating him on getting the big part that Guy wanted. She calls Baumgart who confirms that they had drinks one afternoon before Baumgart suddenly went blind, also acknowledging that they strangely exchanged each other's ties that Wednesday afternoon, which Rosemary now understands was necessary to have a personal item of Donald's to perform a spell on Donald in order for Guy to receive the big part. This particular Wednesday was September 22nd 1965 (9/22)...looking glass ties. When it's discovered that Rosemary is indeed pregnant, they celebrate with a bottle of Saint Julian... It's not quite so clear exactly what date Rosemary discovers Adrian (Andrew John), but it is most certainly right at the end of July '66, which in fact mirrors more popular than Jesus being published and Bob Dylan's accident.
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Post by seasaltcaramel on Oct 17, 2012 14:29:57 GMT -5
I can't remember which book I transcribed this from, but I loved the way he wrote it, I always felt the commonly-perceived poppy simplicity of this song overshadowed it's innovative complexities as well as it's inner melancholy and strangeness. I think the book was Tell Me Why by Tim Riley With its double diminutive name, Penny Lane sounds like a place out of everyone’s childhood, populated by the sort of archetypal adults – the barber, the banker, the fireman – one finds in picture books. Penny Lane distills the spirit of the time perfectly with its vision of blue suburban skies and boundless confident vigor. And by capturing the prevailing practice of old customs being refreshed through and remade through the creative energy of the young & classless. Penny Lane is something much more complex than a pleasant expression of musical nostalgia: its real subject is the distinction between a place as it exists in the glow of memory and a place as it really exists. The third verse begins with the image of the fireman and his hour-glass. Faintly surreal, faintly anachronistic, the hour-glass evokes the ‘sands of time’, and when the minor chord sounds beneath the line, embellished by a pair of drooping flutes, something about this fireman seems inexpressibly sad. But then the fireman rings his bell as if to dispel the gloom - and the piccolo trumpet, which accompanies the childlike tapestry of the song, rings out impossibly high and bright, rippling over the chords of the verse in a neo-baroque pastiche of every fanfare ever blown. In the refrain that follows this magical interlude, the Beatles test the strength of its spell by substituting the line “the blues suburban skies” with a pair of Liverpudlian indelicacies, “four of fish and finger pies”, which skewers the innocence of the song. A fictional character who ponders the way that life seems to imitate art, the Pirandellian nurse in the fourth verse is one of the Beatles’ most remarkable creations. Young and pretty and smartly dressed, she enters the song laden with historical baggage, holding a tray of the red-paper poppies that mark the annual observation of Britain’s Rememberance Day. Yet she carries this burden with an air if girlish distraction that makes the barber, the banker and the fireman seem frozen in their roles. Compared with them, she’s so modern in her self-consciousness, imaging herself as an actress in the theatre –of-the-roundabout at Penny Lane. Which only adds to the startling impact of Paul’s pronouncement that “she is anyway” There is a world of sensibility wrapped up in that line, which is left to hover between perfect wisdom and perfect whimsy as the action returns to the barbershop for the tiny anti-climax – the barber working, the banker waiting, the fireman rushing in – that passes for a denouement in the diminutive world of the song. Leading Paul to reaffirm that amidst the idyllic tone of this scene lies something… “very strange!” What’s truly strange, of course, is the weather in this song: pouring rain in the verses, blue skies in the refrain. Nostalgia by definition improves upon the past, but it isn’t just the singer who’s got the forecast wrong. The banker is so oblivious to the elements that he doesn’t bother to wear an overcoat. And the fireman reacts to the downpour as if the sky were falling down. Add to them the image of the pretty nurse and her poppies, and the blue skies of Penny Lane remembered begin to conform to the twentieth-century Britain’s most poignant meteorological cliché. They are drawn from the same inexhaustible Edwardian high-pressure system that supplied the perfect weather for a nostalgic vision of the past that memorialized by the carnage of the Great War, retained its hold on the country’s historical imagination for generations to come. “In those days it seemed the sun would always shine”, recalls one of the characters in Alan Bennet’s elegiac stage play Forty Years On. “Then in 1914 it begins to rain and all through the war and after it never stops… The war and everything that comes after: grey and wet and misty and nasty.” In an intuitive act of genius that could never have been conceptualized, the Beatles conjured an entire world of meaning in this ostensibly simple, carefree song. The barber, the banker and the fireman of Penny Lane are figures in a dream – an orderly, imperial dream of sunny skies and clean machines and well-trimmed head that generations of oblivious Englishmen had once pursued to the very ends of the earth, back in a time when poppies were simply flowers, not symbols of national mourning. In Penny Lane it’s the grown-ups who are living a fiction, just as the nurse suspects, and it’s only the little children, laughing behind the banker’s back, who see that the rain is pouring down. Yet the consummate honesty of the song lies with Paul’s unwillingness to exempt himself from any of this. While the satirist in him is capable of seeing the dream for what it is and skewering it mercilessly, the sentimentalist in him continues to believe in the stately vision of those blue suburban skies. Like the nurse, he is, anyway. As he sings the phrase “Penny Lane” near the end, the key of the refrain modulates from A to b major, the key of the verse. The effect is magical, like that of a person stepping into a photograph. The key shift towards the end of the song brings the two musical worlds together, the past is brought to life by the present, much like in In My Life. (sorry to get off topic, iwilliam) www.thefreedictionary.com/title+deed" The barber, the banker and the fireman of Penny Lane are figures in a dream – an orderly, imperial dream of sunny skies and clean machines and well-trimmed head that generations of oblivious Englishmen had once pursued to the very ends of the earth, back in a time when poppies were simply flowers, not symbols of national mourning."the 9th revolution. a propaganda war. you take over by bending the minds of the youth and wait until the old people die. then you begin rewriting history. the arabic singing sure is interesting.
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Post by linus on Oct 17, 2012 15:28:31 GMT -5
Hold that line! Block that kick!sports.espn.go.com/espn/otl/news/story?id=5880125Instead, fans inside the stadium watched as Smith's kick was blocked, disappearing into the aqua and orange of Miami's defensive line. “I was upset and mad because we didn't make the kick, and I was also thinking, 'What the heck happened up front with our offensive line?'" recalled Smith Also interesting that John Smith was British and a huge Beatles fan.
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Post by B on Oct 17, 2012 15:51:57 GMT -5
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Post by B on Oct 17, 2012 15:57:00 GMT -5
B, the mystery tramp link isn't working. B and iwilliam, there's a thread somewhere (maybe not this forum) that explains how when John's death was announced during a football game, the camera was zoomed in on a certain specific player that was somehow connected with John. Does anyone know what I'm talking about? Is that the thread you tried to link to, B? Here's the announcement during the football game as kicker John Smith takes the field. Some highlights I was able to grab from a mystery tramp thread (that I was also allowed to edit?) Forgive me B, if this is the thread you tried to link to, and it worked for other people. December 8th 1941 is when the US entered WWII Operation 40 takes part in the Bay of Pigs invasion among their other follies. The Bay of Pigs invasion plan was presented to the group in charge of CIA covert operations on December 8th 1960. Now, you may notice that this date is exactly 20 years before John Lennon's death. Still about people though, right? After CIA agent Howard Hunt is identified as part of the Watergate operation, his wife dies in a plane crash, carrying over $10,000 on December 8th 1972. Again, the date John Lennon died on. Hotel California ends with "Relax said the nightman, we are programmed to receive, you can check out any time you like, but you can never leave." Release date, December 8th 1976. Coincidence I'm sure... Then on December 8th 1980 who is the nightman at the Dakota? Oh look, Jose Perdomo from Operation 40. Between the Hiroshima bomb and John Lennon's death was 2 sets of exactly 922 weeks, to the day. Precisely 922 weeks to the day after the bomb was dropped, on April 8th 1963, Julian Lennon was born. Then, when Julian was exactly 922 weeks old, again to the day, John Lennon was assassinated. Hold that line, block that kick. The announcement of John Lennon's death on Monday Night Football on December 8th 1980 by Howard Cosell, delivered as New England was lining up to kick a field goal with :03 seconds remaining. Note the raised hands of the Patriots as Cosell speaks, mimicking the hand over Paul's head as well as the nod of John Smith to coincide with Dead on Arrival. With all of the effort that has been put into seeing what happened with Paul, you don't suppose that maybe part of the point was to not see what happened with John? Of course most of us know that the picture below, with John selling tickets, contains the initials of Mark David Chapman and was part of Magical Mystery Tour, which was released exactly 13 years before John's death on December 8th 1967. The scene itself however was shot on September 22nd, it was shot on 9/22. Ticket to Ride itself is significant as well, its the song buried underneath the heartbeat at the end of Dark Side of the Moon... Ironically, on Julian's 3rd birthday the April 8th 1966 issue of Time was the infamous Is God dead issue. On page 8 of the story www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,835309-8,00.html is a reference to a mock obituary for God written by an Atlanta based periodical called Motive, that lists God's date of death as November 9th of all dates. This also was the issue being read in the doctor's office by Mia Farrow in Rosemary's Baby. Nietzsche referred to God is dead for the first time I believe in the Gay Science in 1882. Between the first Atomic bomb at Hiroshima and John Lennon's death was exactly 1844 weeks; or two sets of exactly 922 weeks. Exactly between those two sets of 922 weeks, to the day, his son was born. You'd have to reason out why this would be, but interestingly enough John later marries a Japanese woman, was ultimately shot by someone living in Hawaii who bought his gun from a dealer named Ono on the same date the US declared war after Pearl Harbor and was taken to Roosevelt Hospital. John for a John, Johnajeams, led it be. -- Finnegan's Wake in 1939 Joyce wrote Finnegan's Wake over a 17-year-span, concurrent with Hitler's rise to power and did so deliberately courting random input. The Illuminatus Trilogy found the Atomic Formula in Finnegan's Wake, released 3 years before the formula was discovered. willemaus.wordpress.com/2011/07/07/922-the-conspiracy/Here's a link to a TKIN thread that seems to mirror the mystery tramp one: 60if.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=lennon&action=print&thread=3365All of this begins to slowly change however when John meets Yoko on, of course, November 9th 1966. And this is where the two paths cross. One is what was actually intended with the One One One X drum clue and the other is that John's life path was profoundly altered by meeting Yoko Ono on the date pointed to on the drum. Of course it should be understood that at the point that Sgt. Pepper was released, the meaning of the drum clue as it related to John's path could not yet have been known...and I will reiterate what is in the other thread. For the drum clue to have been planned at all means that the Lonely Hearts name must have been concocted with a drum clue in mind right from the very beginning. Ordinal position of the letters L and H is 12 and 8. Which by the way also happens to be December 8th. JFK was killed on November 22nd 1963, exactly 922 days before June 1st 1966 (6/66). Besides the Beatles 2nd LP and the first broadcast of Beatlemania in the US which both also happened on November 22nd 1963, two other prominent authors died. CS Lewis and Aldous Huxley both died on November 22nd 1963. Again, L and H... This starts the United States down a road towards the Gulf of Tonkin incident, which rather incredibly happens to a US Naval Fleet led by Jim Morrison's father and leads to the perfect set of conditions to create the sixties. Jim Morrison in fact was born on December 8th... Rosemary's Baby: Release date of Ira Levin's book, March 12th 1967. As we know by now, Charles Manson's group at random killed the wife of Roman Polanski and the next night killed a woman named Rosemary. Mark David Chapman then realizes all of this standing in front of the Dakota, where the movie was filmed, and uses this in part as his rationale for following through on his assassination of John Lennon who happens to live in the building where the movie was made. Of course, as he ruminates about this, Mia Farrow happens to walk right past him on her way to Central Park. Prominent characters in the book are Minnie Castevet (MC) and her husband Roman, the key characters in fostering a demonic conspiracy. Pg. 156 "I got the shirt that was in the New Yorker", he said going to the bedroom. "Hey" he called, "On a Clear Day and Skyscraper are both closing". A bit 9/11'ish, no? Terry Gionoffrio dies on September 18th 1965 in the book. Rosemary's encounter with Satan then takes place on October 4th 1965. These dates may be recognized as the dates of deaths in 1970 of both Jimi Hendrix and Janis Joplin. Rosemary later, when trying to piece together the conspiracy against her, remembers back to Roman having lunch with Donald Baumgart, congratulating him on getting the big part that Guy wanted. She calls Baumgart who confirms that they had drinks one afternoon before Baumgart suddenly went blind, also acknowledging that they strangely exchanged each other's ties that Wednesday afternoon, which Rosemary now understands was necessary to have a personal item of Donald's to perform a spell on Donald in order for Guy to receive the big part. This particular Wednesday was September 22nd 1965 (9/22)...looking glass ties. When it's discovered that Rosemary is indeed pregnant, they celebrate with a bottle of Saint Julian... It's not quite so clear exactly what date Rosemary discovers Adrian (Andrew John), but it is most certainly right at the end of July '66, which in fact mirrors more popular than Jesus being published and Bob Dylan's accident. Awesome mindblowing post, linus.
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Post by B on Oct 17, 2012 16:19:09 GMT -5
"Hey" he called, "On a Clear Day and Skyscraper are both closing".Both Broadway productions, of course, but "On A Clear Day" as a song from Robert Goulet was on the charts synchronisticly with the Gemini 12 mission, if I'm not mistaken, and even if I am mistaken, there is still some sort of esoteric connection to Paul's disappearence/departure/launch-into-space with the timing of the release of that song. "On a Clear Day You Can See Forever is a musical with music by Burton Lane and a book and lyrics by Alan Jay Lerner based loosely on Berkeley Square, written in 1929 by John L. Balderston. It concerns a woman who has ESP and has been reincarnated... " a lady we all know "The Broadway production opened at the Mark Hellinger Theatre on October 17, 1965 and closed on June 11, 1966 "-----------------------------" She calls Baumgart who confirms that they had drinks one afternoon before Baumgart suddenly went blind" There's some sort of connection there too, most likely. tell me what you see
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Post by iameye on Oct 17, 2012 19:34:05 GMT -5
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Post by Will on Oct 17, 2012 19:39:20 GMT -5
Romans 9:22, with John as one unfortunate recipient, is the point of all the 922's.... There's what happened via magic, or magick as you prefer, and then there's what may have been their true intent. www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,835309-8,00.html We were talking about the space between us all...flowers in the dirt? Hey Jude... Attachments:
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Post by iameye on Oct 17, 2012 19:48:26 GMT -5
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Post by iameye on Oct 17, 2012 20:36:07 GMT -5
revolution (n.) late 14c., originally of celestial bodies, from O.Fr. revolution, from L.L. revolutionem (nom. revolutio) "a revolving," from L. revolutus, pp. of revolvere "turn, roll back" (see revolve). revolve (v.) late 14c., from L. revolvere "turn, roll back," from re- "back, again" (see re-) + volvere "to roll". Meaning "travel around a central point" first recorded 1660s. Related: Revolved; revolving.
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Post by linus on Oct 17, 2012 20:47:49 GMT -5
Thanks B, I just copied the highlights from Fishdelusion’s work. Thanks FD, fascinating stuff to say the least! The only thing I contributed was the fact that John Smith’s kick was blocked. I hadn’t seen that mentioned before. Is the timing with all the above mentioned events all coincidences? Are tptb staging these events in a particular sequence? I can’t remember where I saw it, if I find it I’ll post it here, but there was a presentation on how there was a spike in anxiety levels on 9/10/2001. Are we subliminally picking up on the sequencings of these events? And though most of us are familiar with these, I thought I’d throw them into the pile too, for anyone that hasn’t seen them. Note how they emphasized the light rising, here. There are some interesting cross-overs between Anger's Lucifer Rising, and Beatles films & artwork. It is interesting that Jann Haworth was one of the co-creators of the Sgt. Pepper’s cover and also worked as a costume designer for Lucifer Rising. Could she perhaps have also worked on the MMT album design and went uncredited? Or was there some one else cross-pollinating the two? Romans 9:22, with John as one unfortunate recipient, is the point of all the 922's.... There's what happened via magic, or magick as you prefer, and then there's what may have been their true intent. www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,835309-8,00.html We were talking about the space between us all...flowers in the dirt? Hey Jude... And, as I mentioned a few days ago, isn't it interesting that the "Is God dead?" issue of Time Magazine was released one month after Lennon's statement about Jesus was published in England. A two-pronged strike?
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Post by iameye on Oct 17, 2012 21:15:32 GMT -5
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Post by iameye on Oct 17, 2012 21:19:35 GMT -5
lol
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Post by B on Oct 17, 2012 21:23:12 GMT -5
I wrote: Both Broadway productions, of course, Well, not quite. Skyscraper played off Broadway, and wasn't produced 'til 1997! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skyscraper_(play)I think the use of the name was simply fiction, using a "Broadway-sounding" name for a play. If there wasn't a Broadway play called "Skyscraper", there should have been. And later there was. ;D But what do I know? ---------------------------------linus wrote: Is the timing with all the above mentioned events all coincidences? Are tptb staging these events in a particular sequence?I'm sure they are.I can’t remember where I saw it, if I find it I’ll post it here, but there was a presentation on how there was a spike in anxiety levels on 9/10/2001. Are we subliminally picking up on the sequencings of these events?Probably from Clif High (now at Half Past Human), back when they were doing the initial research at Princeton. halfpasthuman.com/-----------------------fishdelusions wrote: Romans 9:22, with John as one unfortunate recipient, is the point of all the 922's....Romans 9:22 (Weymouth version)"And what if God, while choosing to make manifest the terrors of His anger and to show what is possible with Him, has yet borne with long-forbearing patience with the subjects of His anger who stand ready for destruction," (verse 23)"in order to make known His infinite goodness towards the subjects of His mercy whom He has prepared beforehand for glory,"[/color] That may be a misappropriation of said text, fishdelusions. However your point seems valid.
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Post by iameye on Oct 18, 2012 5:16:15 GMT -5
(verse 23) in order to make known His infinite goodness towards the subjects of His mercy whom He has prepared beforehand for Glory
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Post by iameye on Oct 18, 2012 7:37:46 GMT -5
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Post by Will on Oct 18, 2012 7:48:48 GMT -5
Thanks B, I just copied the highlights from Fishdelusion’s work. Thanks FD, fascinating stuff to say the least! The only thing I contributed was the fact that John Smith’s kick was blocked. I hadn’t seen that mentioned before. Is the timing with all the above mentioned events all coincidences? Are tptb staging these events in a particular sequence? I can’t remember where I saw it, if I find it I’ll post it here, but there was a presentation on how there was a spike in anxiety levels on 9/10/2001. Are we subliminally picking up on the sequencings of these events? And though most of us are familiar with these, I thought I’d throw them into the pile too, for anyone that hasn’t seen them. Note how they emphasized the light rising, here. There are some interesting cross-overs between Anger's Lucifer Rising, and Beatles films & artwork. It is interesting that Jann Haworth was one of the co-creators of the Sgt. Pepper’s cover and also worked as a costume designer for Lucifer Rising. Could she perhaps have also worked on the MMT album design and went uncredited? Or was there some one else cross-pollinating the two? Romans 9:22, with John as one unfortunate recipient, is the point of all the 922's.... There's what happened via magic, or magick as you prefer, and then there's what may have been their true intent. www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,835309-8,00.html We were talking about the space between us all...flowers in the dirt? Hey Jude... And, as I mentioned a few days ago, isn't it interesting that the "Is God dead?" issue of Time Magazine was released one month after Lennon's statement about Jesus was published in England. A two-pronged strike? Thanks Linus, The "other" John Lennon clip, just as telling with "Atlanta is burning"... ...and pointing back towards it? www.feelnumb.com/2012/04/12/paul-mccartney-run-devil-run-album-cover-location/B, there's another part to all of this that I don't get into much on the forums that might be the 923 piece you mention...the civil rights piece. Maybe someone out there didn't like something and ultimately responded but the Beatles weren't exactly wrong either in what they may have been reacting to with MPTJ in the South... Attachments:
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Post by Will on Aug 12, 2015 14:07:37 GMT -5
8 years ago today was Apollo C Vermouth's most "famous" post. Re: Paul Is Dead True Story « Reply #13 on Aug 12, 2007, 1:18am » Once upon a long ago, lived four young lads I'm sure you know. The other three, you know them two. You'll know me better when this is through. Before the band was on the run, a natures child followed the sun. And soon the four became a three, a list of clues for those to see. A story told in fine detail, to keep the loonies on the trail. A coin, a sheep, a favored son, were welcomed guest when the day was done. Now, those days are gone, the stories told, in rivers of ash, and urns of gold. A final hint to all of those, who refuse to see the Emporer's clothes.
Apollo C. VermouthIts also 49 years ago today that The Beatles gave their press conference apologizing for More Popular than Jesus. Now I don't want to get into any kind of moralizing about this or force the possibility of a supernatural answer (at least in part) onto anyone not into that sort of thing, but I'd like to post this willemaus.wordpress.com/2015/08/09/rip-frank-gifford/ and point out that the God is Dead obituary and the most commonly referenced date for Paul is Dead both happened to be on November 9th, one year apart. If you look at Apollo's post, he never references Paul is Dead, only the number 3 and follows it with what seems to be a religious Luke 15 reference in A Coin, a sheep, a favored son. Was this entirely coincidental?
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