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Post by multiverser on Feb 9, 2013 19:41:14 GMT -5
I've often wondered why John injected the name Bishopsgate into his song Being For the Benefit of Mr. Kite. We know he lifted most of the lyrics from an old poster about Pablo Fanque's circus. On the old poster, there is no mention of Bishopsgate.
The lyrics passage to jog your memory is...
"The celebrated Mr. K Performs his feat on Saturday at Bishopsgate The Hendersons will dance and sing As Mr. Kite flies through the ring, don't be late"
First off, Bishopsgate, in the City of London, was where Shakespeare lived and worked, although the conspiracy side of me is convinced that Francis Bacon actually wrote the Shakepeare works and used the name Shakespeare (taken from one of his company's bit part actors) as a pseudonym. I've also thought that "Billy Shears" is a nickname John used for William Shakespeare. It has been seriously theorized by more than one scholar that Bacon hid a code in the collected works of Shakespeare. The code, they say, when decoded reveals that Bacon was the mistreated bastard son of Queen Elizabeth I.
Go on wiki and look up Bishopsgate and Rochdale and you'll notice some Beatles synchronicities or coincidences.
For example, the old Pablo Fanques poster announces the show will take place in Rochdale. Sportscaster Mark Chapman was born there (not to be confused with actor Mark Chapman who appeared playing the role of John Lennon in CHAPTER 27, a film about the assassin Mark David Chapman).
Other coincidences:Old Broad Street (Give My Regards To Broad Street) borders the Bishopsgate ward on its western side. The division between the Broad Street ward and Bishopsgate is Liverpool Street. The southern Bishopsgate boundary is Lime Street, made famous in the Maggie May song.
""The ward of Bishopsgate straddles the (now former) line of the Wall and the old gate and is often (even today) divided into "Within" and "Without" parts" (wiki) hmmm --- Within You, Without You.
Morbid history of severed heads... (also from wiki) "This gate often displayed the heads of criminals on spikes." Some versions of PID say Paul was decapitated.
(also from wiki) "St Helen's is a very historic medieval church (in Bishopsgate) and former monastic establishment with many ancient funerary monuments and a stained glass window depicting William Shakespeare — commemorating a very famous former parishioner who lived in the area in the early to mid 1590s." hmmm, funerary -- it would be quite the story if the original Paul McCartney was secretly buried there at St. Helens in late 1966, wouldn't it?
Bishopsgate is also where you can find Dirty Dicks Pub, which reminds me of The Dirty Mac, John's supergroup who performed in The Rolling Stones' film ROCK AND ROLL CIRCUS, which was sort of a rip-off of the concept of Lennon's Mr. Kite song.
The Bishopsgate Institute is,of course, a "registered charity".
Many of the world's most powerful banks have headquarters in Bishopsgate. The City of London has also long been rumored to be a sort of headquarters for 'The New World Order' conspiracy. Follow the money?
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Post by multiverser on Feb 9, 2013 21:11:43 GMT -5
According to london-footprints.co.uk, "In 1966 new vestries, offices and a rectory were built."
The gears of my conspiracy brain are turning! Imagine, Paul died in 1966 and was given a secret funeral service at St. Helens Bishopsgate, City of London and as a nice offering, imagine Epstein pays for new vestries, offices, and a rectory courtesy of Beatles profits.
According to cityoflondon.gov.uk "Quite interestingly the remains of St Helen's churchyard are now laid to rest here in the City of London Cemetery and Crematorium." That transfer of the graves contents happened pretty far back --- 1892. The closest transfers to 1966, were in 1965 and were from St. Botolph's Aldgate, which is also in Bishopsgate ward. (wiki): "The parish church for the area of Bishopsgate Without is St. Botolph's. This is located just to the north of the original Gate on the west side of the road."
O.K., so there's another contender for secret funeral service for original Paul McCartney.
Get this about St. Botolph's, according to wiki --- "much damaged by an inexplicable outbreak of fire in 1965, so that further restoration had to be carried out. St Botolph's was rehallowed on November 8, 1966 by the Bishop of London, in the presence of the Queen Elizabeth, the Queen Mother and Sir Robert Bellinger, the Lord Mayor of London, who attended in state."
hmmm "inexplicable fire in 1965" --- Fireman (note all of Faul's references to the fireman) fire.
hmmm, check that date for the re-hallow: 8 November, 1966 with the high royals in attendance. One day prior to 9 November, 1966 which is a date some researchers associate with the death or secret funeral of Paul McCartney.
Unrelated to the above, I have read that some researchers believe Paul was secretly buried in Highgate Cemetary. Or perhaps after a secret ceremony at St. Helens or St. Botolph's, Paul was cremated at City of London Cemetary and Crematorium (fire, fireman).
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Post by multiverser on Feb 9, 2013 21:30:44 GMT -5
Or how about this theory...
Maybe the date mirrored in the bass drum on the Sgt Pepper cover is indeed 9 November, 1966. O.K., so maybe that date does not signify the date of Paul's death or even the date of his funeral and burial. Maybe that date is the first day of the New Beatles. Paul's funeral and burial were the day before --- 8 November, 1966.
In 1965, a fire is set by an unknown arsonist in St.Botolph's, necessitating restoration. Restoration commences and nears completion in late October, early November, 1966. Paul dies or is killed. It is decided that his funeral will be extremely private (as in, secret) but attended by Queen Elizabeth, the Queen Mother, and the Lord Mayor of London. How do they do this in secret? They have it under the cover story of the re-hallow of St. Botolph's. See? Imagine an intimate service for Paul behind private doors of the bishop at St. Botolph's. The Royals and their guests (Beatles' inner circle) are there for the behind-closed-doors service for Paul. Then, only the Royals and Lord Mayor emerge with the bishop for the public re-hallow service right there in the sanctuary. The Beatles' inner circle go out the back way and drive to the burial site while inside the church the Royals witness the re-hallow service.
The next day, 9 November 1966 is considered by the Beatles' inner circle as the first new day of the New Beatles. The birthday of the New Beatles is commemmorated on the Sgt Pepper cover bass drum. You say it's your birthday. It's my birthday too, yeah.
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Post by multiverser on Feb 9, 2013 21:32:17 GMT -5
Figure of 8.
Could it be...
"You've got me running in a figure of eight, Don't know if I'm coming or going, I'm early or late, (Well) round and round that little ring I go, I want to know, I want to know
Is it better to love one another Than to go for a walk in the dark? Is it better to love than to give in to hate? Yeah we'd better take good care of each other Avoid slipping back off the straight and narrow, It's better by far than getting stuck In a figure of eight."
Paul's funeral and burial were 8 November, 1966. The first new day of the New Beatles was 9 November, 1966. Sir Paul's song Figure of Eight commemmorates Paul's funeral service and burial date. A funeral attended by the Queen, the Queen Mother, and the Lord Mayor in St. Botolph's church the same day as its re-hallow after a mysterious fire.
It kind of fits. Getting back to my original line of inquiry --- John Lennon or the New John Lennon was dropping us a clue in Mr. Kite that Paul's funeral service was in the ward of Bishopsgate one day prior to the number mirrored on the Sgt Pepper cover's bass drum head. All those Roman numeral ones. I get it now. 9 November minus one.
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Post by multiverser on Feb 9, 2013 21:51:17 GMT -5
I would like to know exactly when the re-hallow service was planned. The date choice had to be made by the Queen. If we can find out approximately within a couple of days of when that date choice was made, then I would imagine that Paul died, the word was given the Queen and she then deliberated with advisors over how a secret, proper funeral service could be arranged for Paul. One of the advisors may have suggested the St. Botolph's as a venue in Bishopsgate with the cover story being the Re-Hallow ceremony for St. Botolph's. Then, the Queen's secretary arranges with St. Botolph's, the high bishops, and so forth. The date is set for 8 Nov. 1966
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Post by multiverser on Feb 9, 2013 23:04:57 GMT -5
I did a yahoo search: 1966 Queen rehallow of st. botolph's aldgate church Just by sheer coincidence (or mystical synchronicity), on page 2 of the search, I get a stock photo page that has on it photos of the following... original Paul McCartney;"Look, Lock, and Test: Keep Our Secrets Secret" -- Ministry of Information poster; a Dick Lester film still photo; Fire at the Royal Exchange, City of London, January 1838; 'Six Pence a Pound fair Cherries' (Faul's first solo album cover = cherries); St Michael's Crypt, Aldgate, London, 1789; 'View from under the Portico of Temple of Edfou, Upper Egypt', 1846 (Spirits of Ancient Egypt); Somerset House (somersets he'll undertake on solid ground) ; etcetera, etcetera. The photo of Paul is interesting. I'd never seen this one before... www.diomedia.com/public/en/3199033/imageDetails.htmlI don't know, really, that could be one of the early Fauls. undertake on solid ground... undertaker... funeral Too many mystical coincidences and weirdness. My head hurts.
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Post by vOOdOOgurU on Feb 10, 2013 7:03:10 GMT -5
Brilliant.
I live in London. I'll go down to St Botolph's or really anywhere! I'll take photos dammit!
Brilliant thread.
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Post by vOOdOOgurU on Feb 10, 2013 7:06:32 GMT -5
The photo of Paul is interesting. I'd never seen this one before... www.diomedia.com/public/en/3199033/imageDetails.htmlI don't know, really, that could be one of the early Fauls. undertake on solid ground... undertaker... funeral Too many mystical coincidences and weirdness. My head hurts. I agree. I've never seen the photo before either. And I'm having a hard time placing a year to it by hairstyle. I like to think I'm thoroughly versed in the hairstyles of The Beatles by annum. And that picture of Paul, ummm, I can't tell if that's 1968 (by sideburns), 1966 (by face) or what year that is by length of hair in the back. I honestly can't tell.
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Post by vOOdOOgurU on Feb 10, 2013 7:08:44 GMT -5
I think it's also flipped. I'm going to assume this is 1968. Never seen this photo before.
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Post by vOOdOOgurU on Feb 10, 2013 7:11:40 GMT -5
And of course the 9th November 1966 is a date of huge contention as to what actually happened on it, because though everyone says THIS happened, everything that occurred says it CAN'T have happened and we see multiple people telling a story they're sticking with regardless of what documented evidence, and common sense says happened otherwise.
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Post by vOOdOOgurU on Feb 10, 2013 7:35:45 GMT -5
Don't know if you noticed this at the bottom of the poster for Mr Kite's Pablo Fanque's Circus Royal but it says:
"For particulars see Bills of the day."
I know what that means of course, I just thought it interesting.
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Post by multiverser on Feb 10, 2013 9:18:14 GMT -5
Yeah, very cool that --- Bills of the day. The photo is a bit strange. Perhaps with a fake moustache stuck on him we would peg it at about the time of the film in which each Beatle enters Abbey Road studios for recording Sgt. Pepper. Here ya go at 1:59 www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtDwFJ8ps0II think the stock photo is Faul Number One.
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Post by vOOdOOgurU on Feb 10, 2013 10:57:08 GMT -5
Yeah, very cool that --- Bills of the day. The photo is a bit strange. Perhaps with a fake moustache stuck on him we would peg it at about the time of the film in which each Beatle enters Abbey Road studios for recording Sgt. Pepper. Here ya go at 1:59 www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtDwFJ8ps0II think the stock photo is Faul Number One. Waitaminnit. How come this image bears a postmark of 10th February 2013. Like it was just posted. www.diomedia.com/public/en/3199033/imageDetails.html
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Post by vOOdOOgurU on Feb 10, 2013 11:03:13 GMT -5
Okay got it, had to follow a tag to find the import date of the image which was august 2008.
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Post by linus on Feb 10, 2013 15:15:47 GMT -5
The image isn't flipped, look at the buttons. I've never seen it either. His hair style is similar to the cover of Abbey Road. I would guess it's somewhere between spring & fall of 1969. If not that, then possibly later '68.
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Post by vOOdOOgurU on Feb 10, 2013 17:08:12 GMT -5
I haven't flipped it yet to see, it's just the eyebrows are really throwing me off. And I seriously can't recall a picture of McCartney with hair that length in the back. It seems like it's in an in-between stage, either late 68 going into 69 (but by the shirt I would suppose it's at least nice weather, so summer to fall) or Spring 1969? I just cannot recall a picture of him with that length hair in the back. Uploaded a video briefly covering some of the points brought to this thread by multiverser (with a link back to here) I tied it in with that " WHAT HAPPENED REALLY ON 9th NOVEMBER, 1966". I recommend HD viewing. It was a quick put together including music. The strange thing is, some of the words in the song come out backwards sounding like they do forwards. Like Bishop and No Expense. They were the same forwards as backwards. Or at least sounded like it. Which is odd, as I haven't heard something happening like that before. youtu.be/T-2y2DVZRS4
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Post by vOOdOOgurU on Feb 10, 2013 17:26:37 GMT -5
And maybe it's just me, but the vocal sounds oddly like Latin in some portions.
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Post by vOOdOOgurU on Feb 10, 2013 19:10:43 GMT -5
I would like to know exactly when the re-hallow service was planned. The date choice had to be made by the Queen. If we can find out approximately within a couple of days of when that date choice was made, then I would imagine that Paul died, the word was given the Queen and she then deliberated with advisors over how a secret, proper funeral service could be arranged for Paul. One of the advisors may have suggested the St. Botolph's as a venue in Bishopsgate with the cover story being the Re-Hallow ceremony for St. Botolph's. Then, the Queen's secretary arranges with St. Botolph's, the high bishops, and so forth. The date is set for 8 Nov. 1966 Trying to assist in that information getting: First worthy of a look source I found was this www.constructionhistory.co.uk/uploadfiles/CHS_Newsletter_64.pdf
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Post by vOOdOOgurU on Feb 10, 2013 20:18:16 GMT -5
The image isn't flipped, look at the buttons. I've never seen it either. His hair style is similar to the cover of Abbey Road. I would guess it's somewhere between spring & fall of 1969. If not that, then possibly later '68. Picture looks to be outside McCartney's father's home in Wirral - apx July 20th - 21st 1968 - source "The Beatles Unseen Archives - Photographs by the Daily Mail" - this particular picture does not appear in this publication, but a very similar one, with the same shirt, hairstyle, and location is. It's the day after the announcement that he and Jane Asher were splitting up.
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Post by multiverser on Feb 11, 2013 11:23:59 GMT -5
Thanks for the replies, everyone!
I wish I could find and read any newspaper accounts of the re-consecration (rehallow) of St. Botolph's on 8 November 1966 attended by Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, the Queen Mother, the Lord Mayor and high bishops. Any archived news story about the event may give us a hint of a clue or some other lead in our investigation of how, when and where Paul could have had a proper, but very private funeral service and burial. I do think that Highgate Cemetary may be the resting place or City of London Cemetary and Crematorium.
Paul's body (only my hunch) needs not to have been present at the funeral service. I believe that there could have been a secret funeral service attended quite discreetly by the Beatles' inner circle.
The fact that 8.November.66 would fall inside the date range most PID researchers agree that a funeral for Paul could have taken place becomes more interesting in view of the rehallow of St. Botolph's in Bishopsgate, the event really raises my eyebrows. Like, I would love to know the whereabouts on 8 November 1966 of Jane Asher and others close to Paul.
I would really love to read any transcription of any of the remarks and the sermon of the event. I would keenly like to know if the royal family and dignitaries held any private gathering in the church prior to or after the public service. What was the timeline of the day for the dignitaries? Probably lost in the mists of time, but I'm thinking that with the Queen and Queen Mother in attendance, there must exist some detailed newspaper accounts of the poceedings in London newspaper archives. There must be something we could read.
I attempted a very quick search of The Times archives but since I didn't pay the research fee, nothing popped up.
Can anyone in London help with any newspaper archive searches? Could the church itself have an archive with clippings from 8 November 1966? Can anyone shed light on the whereabouts of Jane Asher and others on that date?
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Post by beacon on Feb 11, 2013 12:44:28 GMT -5
Thanks for the replies, everyone! I wish I could find and read any newspaper accounts of the re-consecration (rehallow) of St. Botolph's on 8 November 1966 attended by Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, the Queen Mother, the Lord Mayor and high bishops. Any archived news story about the event may give us a hint of a clue or some other lead in our investigation of how, when and where Paul could have had a proper, but very private funeral service and burial. I do think that Highgate Cemetary may be the resting place or City of London Cemetary and Crematorium. Paul's body (only my hunch) needs not to have been present at the funeral service. I believe that there could have been a secret funeral service attended quite discreetly by the Beatles' inner circle. The fact that 8.November.66 would fall inside the date range most PID researchers agree that a funeral for Paul could have taken place becomes more interesting in view of the rehallow of St. Botolph's in Bishopsgate, the event really raises my eyebrows. Like, I would love to know the whereabouts on 8 November 1966 of Jane Asher and others close to Paul. I would really love to read any transcription of any of the remarks and the sermon of the event. I would keenly like to know if the royal family and dignitaries held any private gathering in the church prior to or after the public service. What was the timeline of the day for the dignitaries? Probably lost in the mists of time, but I'm thinking that with the Queen and Queen Mother in attendance, there must exist some detailed newspaper accounts of the poceedings in London newspaper archives. There must be something we could read. I attempted a very quick search of The Times archives but since I didn't pay the research fee, nothing popped up. Can anyone in London help with any newspaper archive searches? Could the church itself have an archive with clippings from 8 November 1966? Can anyone shed light on the whereabouts of Jane Asher and others on that date? On the 8th November the traditional tale is that McCartney was in France, on his own I believe, before meeting with Mal Evans and going on a fruitless trip to Spain looking for John and then on to Kenya with Mal and Jane Asher, the trip upon which legend states he came up with the concept for Pepper. The truth, though, is anyones guess!
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Post by vOOdOOgurU on Feb 11, 2013 14:23:19 GMT -5
And we all know the period between September through November 1966 is a very contentious period.
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Post by vOOdOOgurU on Feb 11, 2013 14:25:13 GMT -5
The best place to start (online) I imagine is here: www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/If you register, you at least get three free page views with 15 credits. I wish there was a national archive for periodicals and magazines. But I imagine I'm forgetting the days of the library. Oh internet, how you have roooned us.
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Post by multiverser on Feb 11, 2013 19:28:51 GMT -5
Thanks, all.
Yes, that time period (Sept - Nov 1966) is crucial and very much in controversy.
I don't suppose iamaphoney will raise his ugly head out of the sand and neatly explain it for us all. I'm not holding my breath.
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Post by vOOdOOgurU on Feb 11, 2013 19:37:55 GMT -5
Thanks, all. Yes, that time period (Sept - Nov 1966) is crucial and very much in controversy. I don't suppose iamaphoney will raise his ugly head out of the sand and neatly explain it for us all. I'm not holding my breath. I suppose not. But considering the amount of information given, for whatever reason, it certainly kickstarted new interest in it. And it seems clues of this day and age are far more in-depth than "the walrus is a symbol of death in some cultures." That first generation of clues was at best, the surface level ones. I think what everyone's seeing now (or at least most people) is that this is pretty elaborate and complex. And personally, I think in some circumstances, way beyond The Beatles imaginations to plan out. And in others, holds some rather sinister elements one might not want to associate with Britain's favourite sons. Rolling Stones yes. Not The Beatles. Btw -- couldn't find ANYTHING at the britnewspaperarch -- not anything on St Botolph's Fire of 1965, nor re-hallowing in 1966. I don't think they've compiled everything there yet, so it may be a wait and see. It seems they only had documents going up to 1957 at this stage. Might be like the Census online, where you have to wait a little while for stuff to show up.
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