L.I.L.Y... On The Run, Say it

[iameye]

tafultong said:

Michael Moorcock is, of course, well-known as a popular science fiction writer, the author of the Elric series, as well as several other cycles of books. Few, however, know of Moorcock as a musician whose career in London's fertile underground of the '60s and '70s saw the birth of such bands as Hawkwind and Mötorhead, and fewer still are familiar with Moorcock the political thinker. Some of his views, we think, will not be unfamiliar to CORPORATE MOFO readers. Mr. Moorcock was gracious to answer some of our questions about his career, his philosophies, and his life.



CM: First off, I hope that your health is good, and that your family (cats included!) is well.

MM: My health is crap, by my standards. I've been hugely healthy all my life, but since I moved to Texas I seem to have picked up all kinds of weird diseases. I had a bad auto-immune disease which went into remission and I have fairly serious progressive neuropathy which is painful and makes it hard to get around sometimes and, unfortunately, is going to get worse (though I live in hope!) but which doesn't seem to slow down my flying fingers very much. I actually exercise my fingers by playing guitar and banjo! Old blues player told me that years ago—keep playin', it stops the arthritis taking hold. Cats are well and too hot at the moment. We hope to be traveling with them in a month or so.

CM: You don’t mind us printing that about your illness?

MM: I'd only not want an illness kept secret if it was going to upset someone or stop an editor buying my next book and I don't have that kind of illness. I always do interviews on the basis that if I say something to the interviewer that isn't actually an admission of crime I could be prosecuted for, then I stand by it.

Source: www.corporatemofo.com/stories/Moorcock1.htm

HEY T
why post this HERE ?........I NEED an explanation.

[MikeNL]

iameye said:

tafultong said:

Michael Moorcock is, of course, well-known as a popular science fiction writer, the author of the Elric series, as well as several other cycles of books. Few, however, know of Moorcock as a musician whose career in London's fertile underground of the '60s and '70s saw the birth of such bands as Hawkwind and Mötorhead, and fewer still are familiar with Moorcock the political thinker. Some of his views, we think, will not be unfamiliar to CORPORATE MOFO readers. Mr. Moorcock was gracious to answer some of our questions about his career, his philosophies, and his life.



CM: First off, I hope that your health is good, and that your family (cats included!) is well.

MM: My health is crap, by my standards. I've been hugely healthy all my life, but since I moved to Texas I seem to have picked up all kinds of weird diseases. I had a bad auto-immune disease which went into remission and I have fairly serious progressive neuropathy which is painful and makes it hard to get around sometimes and, unfortunately, is going to get worse (though I live in hope!) but which doesn't seem to slow down my flying fingers very much. I actually exercise my fingers by playing guitar and banjo! Old blues player told me that years ago—keep playin', it stops the arthritis taking hold. Cats are well and too hot at the moment. We hope to be traveling with them in a month or so.

CM: You don’t mind us printing that about your illness?

MM: I'd only not want an illness kept secret if it was going to upset someone or stop an editor buying my next book and I don't have that kind of illness. I always do interviews on the basis that if I say something to the interviewer that isn't actually an admission of crime I could be prosecuted for, then I stand by it.

Source: www.corporatemofo.com/stories/Moorcock1.htm

HEY T
why post this HERE ?........I NEED an explanation.

I always do interviews on the basis that if I say something to the interviewer that isn't actually an admission of crime I could be prosecuted for, then I stand by it.

think faul does it the same way... so if he says he i replaced paul.. nobody cann do a thing!

[tafultong]

iameye said:

tafultong said:

Michael Moorcock is, of course, well-known as a popular science fiction writer, the author of the Elric series, as well as several other cycles of books. Few, however, know of Moorcock as a musician whose career in London's fertile underground of the '60s and '70s saw the birth of such bands as Hawkwind and Mötorhead, and fewer still are familiar with Moorcock the political thinker. Some of his views, we think, will not be unfamiliar to CORPORATE MOFO readers. Mr. Moorcock was gracious to answer some of our questions about his career, his philosophies, and his life.



CM: First off, I hope that your health is good, and that your family (cats included!) is well.

MM: My health is crap, by my standards. I've been hugely healthy all my life, but since I moved to Texas I seem to have picked up all kinds of weird diseases. I had a bad auto-immune disease which went into remission and I have fairly serious progressive neuropathy which is painful and makes it hard to get around sometimes and, unfortunately, is going to get worse (though I live in hope!) but which doesn't seem to slow down my flying fingers very much. I actually exercise my fingers by playing guitar and banjo! Old blues player told me that years ago—keep playin', it stops the arthritis taking hold. Cats are well and too hot at the moment. We hope to be traveling with them in a month or so.

CM: You don’t mind us printing that about your illness?

MM: I'd only not want an illness kept secret if it was going to upset someone or stop an editor buying my next book and I don't have that kind of illness. I always do interviews on the basis that if I say something to the interviewer that isn't actually an admission of crime I could be prosecuted for, then I stand by it.

Source: www.corporatemofo.com/stories/Moorcock1.htm

HEY T
why post this HERE ?........I NEED an explanation.

Wow, you responded to my post nearly two months later. Reminds me of a game of chess I played via snail mail in the 1980s (1981-1987, I believe it was).

My reason for posting the above message here....Well, I was hoping you would slip me the answer.

Lily - mysterious disease? flower? neither? both?

There was a high incidence of the mysterious disease in Texas (of all places). So, there is Michael Moorcock with a mysterious disease as a result of living in (of all places) Texas.

Like Sir George Martin, I guess I was just gilding the lily.

Your move.

[iameye]

basically I thought you may have posted on the wrong thread.
I don't see another connection.

This hardly counts as a move. Can I save my turn for another time?

[tafultong]

iameye said:

basically I thought you may have posted on the wrong thread.
I don't see another connection.

This hardly counts as a move. Can I save my turn for another time?

Certainly. Sometimes a null can be as good as an answer. I don't really believe in linear alternating sequential moves anyway.

The Abbeyrd Beatles News page picked up on the mysterious "new" version of "Now and Then" but that doesn't belong on this thread either.

[Jude]

mikenl said:

Now we need to solve this riddle, maybe saying the words On The Run and LILY and put it backwards?

I recorded both the phrase "On The Run" and the word LILY, and played them backwards: didn't sound like anything, I'm afraid.

[B]

Come to think of it, there was a chorus of "Lie la lie, lie la lie, le le le le lie" in Simon and Garfunkel's

"The Boxer".
www.youtube.com/watch?v=tywEnVjPUUQ

Of course, a man hears what he wants to hear, and disregards the rest.

[iameye]

There is a plant named Solomon's seal (Polygonatum multiflorum) in the lily family.

Smilacine stellata
var. sessilifolia:
Slim Solomon's Seal
(Starry Solomon's Seal)

Liliaceae (Lily Family)

Flowers: White, six petals, star-shaped on single pedicels at top of stem.

Blooms: February - April.

Leaves: Narrow ("slim"), parallel veined, alternate and semi-clasping along stem, 3 -6" long.

Fruit/Seeds: Red-purple berries.

Location: Damp slopes along trails.

Status: Native - Common.



there's two, fat and slim


Smilacine racemosa var amplexicaulis:
Fat Solomon's Seal
(aka False Solomon's Seal,
Branched Solomon's Seal)

Liliaceae (Lily Family)

Flowers: Creamy white, sometimes tinged pink; six petals, tiny, in dense branch clusters at top of stem, often in pyramidal formation.

Blooms: March - April

Leaves: Bright green, 3 - 6 inches long, semi-clasping, alternating along stem; parallel-veined, pointed ovals with wavy edges.

Fruit/Seeds: Small berries developing from the flowers, beginning yellow, then turning green, finally red. May - July.

Location: Damp, shady slopes along trails throughout the mountain.

Status: Native - Common.


Smilacine racemosa var amplexicaulis
400x600 JPEG - 32K
Further description & Comment: 1 - 3 feet tall, single stems that grow each year from a ground-level network of creeping rhizomes and succulent rootlets.

The main difference between Smilacine racemosa (Fat/False Solomon's Seal) and Smilacine stellata (Slim/Starry Solomon's Seal) is apparent (I hope) in the pictures: one's fat and the other's slim. There are, of course, substantial differences in the leaves, flowers, habitats and general plant structures of the two species, but in the field it is the chunkiness and slimness that immediately distinguishes the two.

Common Name Note: The "real" Solomon's Seal is an flower in the Lily Family that grows in the Eastern United States and is of the Polygonatum. genus. Hence the name "False" Solomon's Seal for S. racemosa., probably bestowed by some expatriated New England botanist. This convention of "False this-or-that" appears to be common in Liliaceae (False Lily-of-the-Valley, etc.)

The name "Solomon's Seal" refers to a mystic icon, two interlocked triangles in the shape of a six pointed star (often with one triangle white, the other black) representing the union of soul and body. As an amulet, it is said to ward off fever and other diseases. Supposedly, the upright branch shoot leave this mark on the underground rootstock, which is dug up for medicinal uses (see below). Or it could be because of the shape of their flowers (6 - pointed stars) or because of their medicinal qualities in general, or both."http://plants.montara.com/ListPages/FamPages/Lilia3.html


flowering pyramids forever

[felipegcs]

READ CAREFULLY!!!!

"I am not sure if i should answer that!
but we might have another RA done soon...but we are On The Run...say it...
L.I L.Y
say it"

-He wroted On The Run with CAPITAL LETTERS at the beggining (OTR? Off the record messaging? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Off-the-Record_Messaging)
-He wroted L.i.l.y in this way:
L. IL .Y (watch the dots) or L.I L.Y (he'll lie he'll why? or He'll lie Hell. Why?)
Maybe there is the answer... watch carefully

[B]

Or: "Hell, I'll lie!"
ell I ell-why (if you say it really fast - "on the run" - it kinda works)
Remember, he's not sure if he should tell (Mike) that, so hell, he'll lie.
And maybe he's suggesting that that is Faul's modus operundi.
"If I don't know something, hell, I'll lie."
But that's probably not what it really means.
In the Rotten Apple 101 video he equates it with "Lilly E Gray", the beast's (Crowley's) victim.

[tafultong]

Wow, this is a little strange. An anonymous person just sent me this link:
findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_19970110/ai_n9641924

Widow can't get by without help from Sir Paul
Independent, The (London), Jan 10, 1997 by Marianne Macdonald Arts Correspondent

Sir Paul McCartney yesterday defended his legal bid to stop the widow of his former road manager selling the original lyrics to one of the Beatles' biggest hits

The newly knighted ex-Beatle tried to head off criticism after it emerged that he had prevented Lily Evans, 60, selling the paper on which he had scribbled the words for "With A Little Help From My Friends".


She had hoped to raise pounds 60,000 for her old age by selling the paper at Sotheby's, she told a BBC1 Watchdog investigation screened last night. Her husband Mal had been the Beatles' road manager for many years and had been particularly close to McCartney. But he died in a shooting accident in Los Angeles 21 years ago, leaving her without a pension. The Beatles sent her pounds 5,000 at the time of his death which had been "most helpful", but she had worked as a secretary to support herself since and she could not understand why Sir Paul was stopping her gaining a nest- egg for her final years. "I didn't know why he would want to do that. It wouldn't be for the money and he lets other people sell, so I don't know why he would want to stop me," she told the programme. "If my husband had remained in his post office job I would have been better looked after." Her son backed her, saying: "I think of everything dad did for him. He'd be on 24 hours' notice and he'd do anything for Paul - he loved the guy. To do this to my mum now, I just don't think it is right. I don't think he can have much of a conscience." But in an angry statement Sir Paul said: "The programme is trying to make the Beatles out to be widow-beaters - nothing could be further from the truth. "I would like to meet Mrs Evans and discuss this and come to some arrangement to see that she is taken care of and that the lyrics are returned. They were never Mal's lyrics and therefore any relative of Mal's such as Mrs Evans does not have the right of ownership to these lyrics. "To show how ridiculous this whole memorabilia market has become, there is someone in the US who owns my own birth certificate. How people can feel that that is right is beyond my comprehension. "I am surprised that Watchdog is doing this report. I thought Watchdog was normally on the side of people who have been ripped off - not on the side of people who are doing the ripping off." He added: "I don't wish to cause any trouble for Mrs Evans or for her children, whom I remember fondly, but I do feel strongly that these original manuscripts should be returned to their rightful owners." Sir Paul's lawyers have taken out an injunction stopping Mrs Evans from selling the paper until the case over ownership comes to court, which could take up to a year. His spokesman, Geoff Baker, said Sir Paul had twice offered to help Mrs Evans if she was in hardship, but she had not taken him up on it. He was prepared to make her a "substantial" personal donation.

It may be old news, but I don't remember it coming up during the Lily discussion and I'm wondering if it is relevant.

[MikeNL]

tafultong said:

Wow, this is a little strange. An anonymous person just sent me this link:
findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_19970110/ai_n9641924

Widow can't get by without help from Sir Paul
Independent, The (London), Jan 10, 1997 by Marianne Macdonald Arts Correspondent

Sir Paul McCartney yesterday defended his legal bid to stop the widow of his former road manager selling the original lyrics to one of the Beatles' biggest hits

The newly knighted ex-Beatle tried to head off criticism after it emerged that he had prevented Lily Evans, 60, selling the paper on which he had scribbled the words for "With A Little Help From My Friends".


She had hoped to raise pounds 60,000 for her old age by selling the paper at Sotheby's, she told a BBC1 Watchdog investigation screened last night. Her husband Mal had been the Beatles' road manager for many years and had been particularly close to McCartney. But he died in a shooting accident in Los Angeles 21 years ago, leaving her without a pension. The Beatles sent her pounds 5,000 at the time of his death which had been "most helpful", but she had worked as a secretary to support herself since and she could not understand why Sir Paul was stopping her gaining a nest- egg for her final years. "I didn't know why he would want to do that. It wouldn't be for the money and he lets other people sell, so I don't know why he would want to stop me," she told the programme. "If my husband had remained in his post office job I would have been better looked after." Her son backed her, saying: "I think of everything dad did for him. He'd be on 24 hours' notice and he'd do anything for Paul - he loved the guy. To do this to my mum now, I just don't think it is right. I don't think he can have much of a conscience." But in an angry statement Sir Paul said: "The programme is trying to make the Beatles out to be widow-beaters - nothing could be further from the truth. "I would like to meet Mrs Evans and discuss this and come to some arrangement to see that she is taken care of and that the lyrics are returned. They were never Mal's lyrics and therefore any relative of Mal's such as Mrs Evans does not have the right of ownership to these lyrics. "To show how ridiculous this whole memorabilia market has become, there is someone in the US who owns my own birth certificate. How people can feel that that is right is beyond my comprehension. "I am surprised that Watchdog is doing this report. I thought Watchdog was normally on the side of people who have been ripped off - not on the side of people who are doing the ripping off." He added: "I don't wish to cause any trouble for Mrs Evans or for her children, whom I remember fondly, but I do feel strongly that these original manuscripts should be returned to their rightful owners." Sir Paul's lawyers have taken out an injunction stopping Mrs Evans from selling the paper until the case over ownership comes to court, which could take up to a year. His spokesman, Geoff Baker, said Sir Paul had twice offered to help Mrs Evans if she was in hardship, but she had not taken him up on it. He was prepared to make her a "substantial" personal donation.

It may be old news, but I don't remember it coming up during the Lily discussion and I'm wondering if it is relevant.

it is relevant, maybe there is another lyric on the paper that ISN'T included on sgt pepper album

something like:
i get by with a little help from my dead self
i get high with a little help from paul

what would you do if i sang outta tune , would you stand up and give me a facelift?

[iameye]

tafultong said:

Wow, this is a little strange. An anonymous person just sent me this link:
findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_19970110/ai_n9641924

Widow can't get by without help from Sir Paul
Independent, The (London), Jan 10, 1997 by Marianne Macdonald Arts Correspondent

Sir Paul McCartney yesterday defended his legal bid to stop the widow of his former road manager selling the original lyrics to one of the Beatles' biggest hits

The newly knighted ex-Beatle tried to head off criticism after it emerged that he had prevented Lily Evans, 60, selling the paper on which he had scribbled the words for "With A Little Help From My Friends".


She had hoped to raise pounds 60,000 for her old age by selling the paper at Sotheby's, she told a BBC1 Watchdog investigation screened last night. Her husband Mal had been the Beatles' road manager for many years and had been particularly close to McCartney. But he died in a shooting accident in Los Angeles 21 years ago, leaving her without a pension. The Beatles sent her pounds 5,000 at the time of his death which had been "most helpful", but she had worked as a secretary to support herself since and she could not understand why Sir Paul was stopping her gaining a nest- egg for her final years. "I didn't know why he would want to do that. It wouldn't be for the money and he lets other people sell, so I don't know why he would want to stop me," she told the programme. "If my husband had remained in his post office job I would have been better looked after." Her son backed her, saying: "I think of everything dad did for him. He'd be on 24 hours' notice and he'd do anything for Paul - he loved the guy. To do this to my mum now, I just don't think it is right. I don't think he can have much of a conscience." But in an angry statement Sir Paul said: "The programme is trying to make the Beatles out to be widow-beaters - nothing could be further from the truth. "I would like to meet Mrs Evans and discuss this and come to some arrangement to see that she is taken care of and that the lyrics are returned. They were never Mal's lyrics and therefore any relative of Mal's such as Mrs Evans does not have the right of ownership to these lyrics. "To show how ridiculous this whole memorabilia market has become, there is someone in the US who owns my own birth certificate. How people can feel that that is right is beyond my comprehension. "I am surprised that Watchdog is doing this report. I thought Watchdog was normally on the side of people who have been ripped off - not on the side of people who are doing the ripping off." He added: "I don't wish to cause any trouble for Mrs Evans or for her children, whom I remember fondly, but I do feel strongly that these original manuscripts should be returned to their rightful owners." Sir Paul's lawyers have taken out an injunction stopping Mrs Evans from selling the paper until the case over ownership comes to court, which could take up to a year. His spokesman, Geoff Baker, said Sir Paul had twice offered to help Mrs Evans if she was in hardship, but she had not taken him up on it. He was prepared to make her a "substantial" personal donation.

It may be old news, but I don't remember it coming up during the Lily discussion and I'm wondering if it is relevant.

this is stupid. really stupid. why?

[iameye]

letterb1 said:

Come to think of it, there was a chorus of "Lie la lie, lie la lie, le le le le lie" in Simon and Garfunkel's

"The Boxer".
www.youtube.com/watch?v=tywEnVjPUUQ

Of course, a man hears what he wants to hear, and disregards the rest.

I heard this refrain as part of a larger, more classical work lately........no other details.....

boxer


interesting

[B]

Yeah, why? Oh! I see. EyeamI I thought you were saying that tafultong's post was stupid,
but what you meant is that Faul's contentiousness with the lady was stupid. Just to be clear.

[iameye]

hang on

I am just a poor boy and my storys seldom told
Ive squandered my resistance for a pocketful of mumbles, such are promises
All lies and jest, still the man hears what he wants to hear
And disregards the rest, hmmmm

When I left my home and my family, I was no more than a boy
In the company of strangers
In the quiet of the railway station, runnin scared
Laying low, seeking out the poorer quarters, where the ragged people go
Looking for the places only they would know

Li la li...

Asking only workmans wages, I come lookin for a job, but I get no offers
Just a comeon from the whores on 7th avenue
I do declare, there were times when I was so lonesome
I took some comfort there

Now the years are rolling by me, they are rockin even me
I am older than I once was, and younger than Ill be, thats not unusual
No it isnt strange, after changes upon changes, we are more or less the same
After changes we are more or less the same

Li la li...

And Im laying out my winter clothes, wishing I was gone, goin home
Where the new york city winters arent bleedin me, leadin me to go home

In the clearing stands a boxer, and a fighter by his trade
And he carries the reminders of every glove that laid him down or cut him
til he cried out in his anger and his shame
I am leaving, I am leaving, but the fighter still remains
Yes he still remains

Li la li...



another Alice story, a history in mathematics.

[iameye]

letterb1 said:

Yeah, why? Oh! I see. EyeamI I thought you were saying that tafultong's post was stupid,
but what you meant is that Faul's contentiousness with the lady was stupid. Just to be clear.

yes. it's pointless, and rather sad..........time for the master to learn from the student, who has outdone

[B]

Alice Cooper? Alice In Chains? In Wonderland? In Wonder Bread? I wonder wonder wonder wonder who - who wrote the book of Love?
The Guess Who. The Who. Horton Hears a Who.
Curiouser and even more curiouser.

(Don't mind me, please..... )

[iameye]

HEH!

Is There a Doctor in the House? [1.13]


Greg: It's sure great how some people can sing while other people are dying!

Alice: You got everything here?
Carol: Well, I think so. [to the tune of "The 12 Days of Christmas] There are 6 luncheon trays, 5 comic books, 4 jigsaw puzzles, 3 magic tricks, 2 ice cream bars,...
Carol and Mike: And one cow bell!

Peter: What's a 5-letter word for exhaustion?
Alice: Alice!

[mommybird]

It's things like this that makes me wonder what part Sir Paul has REALLY played in the conspiracy.

[B]

Eric Clapton LAYLA Live

Hmmmm. Lay la lay lay la lay and etc.

[Deleted]

letterb1 said:

Eric Clapton LAYLA Live

Hmmmm. Lay la lay lay la lay and etc.

are you suggested pattie boyd is something involved?

after all, she's the infamous layla..

but then again:

The lyrics are based on the book by Persian poet Nizami, Layla and Majnun, about a man in love with a woman who cannot have her because her parents object. When they cannot be together, he goes insane. Clapton's situation with Pattie was different, but he liked the title and the theme of unattainable love.

a potentially hidden paul/sylvia reference?

[tafultong]

iameye said:

letterb1 said:

Yeah, why? Oh! I see. EyeamI I thought you were saying that tafultong's post was stupid,
but what you meant is that Faul's contentiousness with the lady was stupid. Just to be clear.

yes. it's pointless, and rather sad..........time for the master to learn from the student, who has outdone

Whew wee. I feel better now. Sniff, sniff. I thought I was going to have to return the Valentine I got for Iameye on my recent trip to Cassiopeia.

[B]

Layla (town), a town in Saudi Arabia

"Well, the night was falling
As the desert world began to settle down
In the town they're searching for us every where.."

the story: (based on this text: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Layla_and_Majnun )

Qays, a poet, fell in love with Layla.
When he asked for her hand in marriage her father refused..... Soon after, Layla married another man.
When Qays heard of her marriage, he fled the tribe camp and wandered in the surrounding desert.
His family eventually gave up on his return......
Layla moved to Iraq with her husband, where she became ill and eventually died.
Most of Qay's recorded poetry was composed before his descent into madness
(which was due to his pining away for Layla, presumably.)



This type of love is known in Arabic culture as "Virgin Love", because
the lovers never married or made love. [Like in 'Virgin' records.]

The myth has influenced many Middle Eastern poets, especially Sufi writers in whose literature
the name Leyli/Layla suggests a reference to their concept of the Beloved.

Ley li Ley -- li Ley -- liLy -- Lily ;D

The name has also found its way into modern occult literature in connection with the archetype called Babylon....
These writings use the spelling Laylah, which also suggests the Arabic and Hebrew words for night.

'I like the the night life, Baby!' (see PID/PWR songs thread)

The name 'Layla' means 'one who works by night', referring to the fact that
the romance was... kept a secret.

Patti Boyd, huh.

[iameye]

tafultong said:

Whew wee. I feel better now. Sniff, sniff. I thought I was going to have to return the Valentine I got for Iameye on my recent trip to Cassiopeia.