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Aug 3, 2006 21:38:29 GMT -5
Post by KHAN on Aug 3, 2006 21:38:29 GMT -5
I guess I don't understand your point. I am trying to discuss this. I answered your question as best as I could. Why won't you answer mine?
I'll ask it this way.
It's a given that you believe that JPM had a replacement at some point. It's also a given that I disagree with that.
To be more specific, my question is do you believe that the gif above represents one man or two?
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Aug 3, 2006 22:26:23 GMT -5
Post by McCartneyIII on Aug 3, 2006 22:26:23 GMT -5
And here? are one, two or tree men? one and one and one is tree
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Aug 3, 2006 23:39:54 GMT -5
Post by JoJo on Aug 3, 2006 23:39:54 GMT -5
That's probe the PID dates for the MMAwards in ealy Sept 1966 arent true because George goes to India in Sept 14, if the awards was in the first week of Sept (like PIDers says), why George is not there with Paul and Ringo? The answer is because John is in Germany first (and Spain ater)from the beginin of Sept filming, and Geopge goes to India (with Paty) on Sept 14, Thats why the only two Beatles on London at this date are Paul and Ringo to atend the MM awards.A reasonable supposition, but remember this? The date on the Sept 13 picture is the date that Melody Maker was published, not the date of the awards ceremony. The magazine simply alluded to "last weekend's awards", meaning it could have been on Fri 9th, Sat 10th, Sunday 11th.How could the magazine speak of "last weekend's awards" on Sept 13 if they took place later? One could just as easily say they were too busy with other plans.. From a post by Curious.
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Aug 3, 2006 23:53:44 GMT -5
Post by JoJo on Aug 3, 2006 23:53:44 GMT -5
You got it! He died on September 12, 1966. ;D Not really.. Different people = different opinions, (even about a seemingly fundamental aspect of our discussion) we aren't the hive mind you seem to believe we are. Investigation And Discussion is what it's about, period.
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Aug 4, 2006 0:11:13 GMT -5
Post by McCartneyIII on Aug 4, 2006 0:11:13 GMT -5
The date on the Sept 13 picture is the date that Melody Maker was published, not the date of the awards ceremony. The magazine simply alluded to "last weekend's awards", meaning it could have been on Fri 9th, Sat 10th, Sunday 11th.How could the magazine speak of "last weekend's awards" on Sept 13 if they took place later? One could just as easily say they were too busy with other plans.. From a post by Curious. On first place i wanna ask you where is the magazine or a full scan of it? (with the date) i'm not see it, you see it or got it? well post it, because all of us only know the pic. On second place, Curious says to: I've had a friend check out the music papers archive in Manchester Library for me.
well: Manchester Libraries Online Catalog (link)You can do the search for yourself, but that's are the results for Melody Maker Magazines in Manchester Libraries Melody maker 1986-1997 Melody Maker classic rock interviews 1994 Melody Maker history of 20th century popular music 1999Maybe i'm wrong but there's no mention of a Melody Makers magazine from Sep 1966 avaliable in any Manchester Librarie.
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Aug 4, 2006 4:22:22 GMT -5
Post by Doc on Aug 4, 2006 4:22:22 GMT -5
And here? are one, two or tree men? one and one and one is tree Oh, yes, the one on the right is the "tree man", because of his outspread, branching arms, I guess. The "treeman." Sorry, couldn't resist----- And man #2 has some bubbly, but WHERE is the caviar? Caviar. I MUST have some caviar. Does Kroger sell caviar at THIS time of the night? I'd settle for ANOTHER martini. Gin. ONLY gin. Vodka martinis are wrong, simply wrong. Parties, parties, parties. Glug, glug, glug. Maybe a shot of something. Maybe a glass of red. Maybe a sip of Bailey's. Maybe another melatonin. What is it with Paul and Bill's shirts? Can't they keep their shirts bottoned up nicely and pressed? Apparently something they shared in common. Celebrate a little, a few sips of bubbly, or, for god's sakes, gin, and the shirt tail comes out, the buttons go kerflewy, and every bit of pressing goes away and there they both are in complete disarray. What, did John show Bill disarray pictures of Paul three sheets o the wind, bent half over, dripping sweat, hair in bird's nes tangle, drooling, wide-eyed and stammering for another sip of devil juice? A disgrace. How dishabillé. I would never, EVER behave that way.................er, uh, except, well, whenever there's a small party.............or the notion strikes me.............well..........OK. I am calling the kettle black. Which makes me the pot, I suppose. Drink up, it's gettin' on to about closin' time........I think I'll button up my wife-beater.
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Aug 4, 2006 7:18:29 GMT -5
Post by eyesbleed on Aug 4, 2006 7:18:29 GMT -5
Body doubles and stunt doubles in movies, sure. But in real life? It would be obvious. Yes & it is obvious to everyone here.... except you guys. And I really don't have the time to go 'round & 'round with you guys over somethin' that painfully obvious to the large majority of people who just stop & look at some pics. The 3 pics above? Obviously 2 different people. It's easy to pick JPM out of a crowd. You guys seem to be the only ones around here who can't differentiate between the 2 men. It's been fun guys, but I much prefer the intellegent discussions on the rest of the forum. You guys obviously think we are somethin' we're not.
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Aug 4, 2006 8:48:03 GMT -5
Post by noodles on Aug 4, 2006 8:48:03 GMT -5
Here are a few of good examples for y'all. Nice Photoshop job!!
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Aug 4, 2006 9:56:32 GMT -5
Post by lili on Aug 4, 2006 9:56:32 GMT -5
WTG, Noodles ! ;D
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Aug 4, 2006 11:02:31 GMT -5
Post by FP on Aug 4, 2006 11:02:31 GMT -5
OMG! That's awesome! Thanks!!!
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lah' mah
Help!
lah' mah means "Light" in Hawaiian.May we bring "Light" to what really happened to JPM.
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Aug 4, 2006 21:40:15 GMT -5
Post by lah' mah on Aug 4, 2006 21:40:15 GMT -5
Isn't it possible that all of the early pictures we are seeing now are ALL faked? They simply go back and insert Bill into all of the early pictures and then when someone starts doing all these fades with the older Bill they all match up. If you really compare original pictures of Paul they are not the same man. But after forty years if they keep replacing and replacing and replacing......after a while it will and does look like the very same man because it is the very same man.......... Bill.........not James Paul .
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Aug 4, 2006 22:19:43 GMT -5
Post by FP on Aug 4, 2006 22:19:43 GMT -5
Isn't it possible that all of the early pictures we are seeing now are ALL faked? They simply go back and insert Bill into all of the early pictures and then when someone starts doing all these fades with the older Bill they all match up. If you really compare original pictures of Paul they are not the same man. But after forty years if they keep replacing and replacing and replacing......after a while it will and does look like the very same man because it is the very same man.......... Bill.........not James Paul . That's from one of their most famous pictures. You can't doctor that without anyone noticing.
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Aug 4, 2006 22:21:18 GMT -5
Post by eyesbleed on Aug 4, 2006 22:21:18 GMT -5
<"Isn't it possible that all of the early pictures we are seeing now are ALL faked? They simply go back and insert Bill into all of the early pictures and then when someone starts doing all these fades with the older Bill they all match up."
That would be possible with some pics sure, but the majority of pics on jpm.org are from magazines released before the end of 66. So if any of those pics were squished or stretched a little, it would be the result of somethin' else.
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Aug 4, 2006 22:26:43 GMT -5
Post by eyesbleed on Aug 4, 2006 22:26:43 GMT -5
That's from one of their most famous pictures. You can't doctor that without anyone noticing. Well there's only one way to tell, try to find a for-sure vintage pic of the same thing. Was that from jpm.org? It may be a for sure vintage already... I dunno, I'd have to check. Actually.... I think the more famous the pic, the more likely a later reproduction would be altered, not the other way around.
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Aug 4, 2006 22:59:03 GMT -5
Post by FP on Aug 4, 2006 22:59:03 GMT -5
They simply go back and insert Bill into all of the early pictures and then when someone starts doing all these fades with the older Bill they all match up. Wait... you think they match up??
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lah' mah
Help!
lah' mah means "Light" in Hawaiian.May we bring "Light" to what really happened to JPM.
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Aug 5, 2006 16:15:16 GMT -5
Post by lah' mah on Aug 5, 2006 16:15:16 GMT -5
Yesterday FP Guest wrote:
First of all, I appreciate the debate on this issue. If we had our world leaders sitting down and debating issues like we do here the world would be a much better place.
I do think many of the fades and pictures are dead on. Some are not.
I became interested in the "Paul is dead" story many years ago but until the Internet came along it was mainly a personal issue.
Something happened with Paul in 1966. He either died, or he was replaced by a double or doubles, but I firmly believe it is not the same man that we all knew when the Beatles started out. I don't have any vintage pictures to back it all up, but I know what I see and it's not the JPM I know.
Recently I posted a Youtube interview of Paul in his first interview with David Frost from 1964 and then posted an interview from 1967. They didn't seem to be the same man in any way. Different voices altogether. In the 1964 interview his voice was deeper and husky. In the 1967 interview it was much higher. The mannerisms were different . The face was different and of course the ears different. As I noted in the post, they were different but yet somewhat alike. If you want to fool the public you replace Paul with someone who may be similar in appearance.
Again, I appreciate FP and KHAN and all the others who post different pictures and say different things about what happened. It's a great education for me. Perhaps with all of us continuing this debate the real truth will come out one day.
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Aug 5, 2006 18:25:54 GMT -5
Post by revolver on Aug 5, 2006 18:25:54 GMT -5
Well put, lah' mah. Of course Bill resembles Paul. That was the idea. Naturally there will be some 2 dimensional photos from certain angles and expressions that will appear somewhat close to the original guy. But overall, when Bill is viewed in 3 dimensions, the differences become more obvious. That's why the videos are much better than still shots at accentuating the discrepancies. A video shows a person from many angles and expressions, and you can hear their different vocal characteristics as well. Videos, not fades, are the way to go if people want to really see whether Paul was replaced or not.
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Aug 5, 2006 19:20:20 GMT -5
Post by FP on Aug 5, 2006 19:20:20 GMT -5
Videos, not fades, are the way to go if people want to really see whether Paul was replaced or not. What about Help? Does that count as Paul? BTW, thank you lah' mah for accepting our opinion the way you did.
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Aug 5, 2006 21:58:44 GMT -5
Post by FP on Aug 5, 2006 21:58:44 GMT -5
I think you guys will find this interesting. My friend has recently gotten into the Beatles' music. He doesn't know much about them, or what they looked like until he got a book called "The Beatles - A Life In Pictures". I showed him these pictures (which I set up before I knew had a book) so he'd get a feel of what the Beatles looked like during each of their periods. 195819601961196219631964196519661967a1967b1968a1968b1969a1969bNow here's the interesting part. He said John has changed more than any of the other Beatles, and I swear, he said Paul changed the LEAST!!! He doesn't know anything about PID. Any thoughts?
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Aug 7, 2006 9:24:35 GMT -5
Post by ReallyReallyDead on Aug 7, 2006 9:24:35 GMT -5
Well put, lah' mah. Of course Bill resembles Paul. That was the idea. Naturally there will be some 2 dimensional photos from certain angles and expressions that will appear somewhat close to the original guy. But overall, when Bill is viewed in 3 dimensions, the differences become more obvious. That's why the videos are much better than still shots at accentuating the discrepancies. A video shows a person from many angles and expressions, and you can hear their different vocal characteristics as well. Videos, not fades, are the way to go if people want to really see whether Paul was replaced or not. well said what happened to that video of both of them performing Yesterday? (the PID one)
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Aug 7, 2006 16:00:43 GMT -5
Post by McCartneyIII on Aug 7, 2006 16:00:43 GMT -5
What the hell is so rediculous about the #1 entertainer/money-maker in the world havin' a replacement? That's a fairly common practice in the entertainment industry. This is not a PID forum. Well i'm glad finally somebody understand it, is a grat maturity signal, double doesn't mean death or permanent replacement, is like risk doubles in the movies. Like everybody sees nobody is dead, the two are living (and eating soup) who is who?
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Aug 7, 2006 16:43:29 GMT -5
Post by FP on Aug 7, 2006 16:43:29 GMT -5
who is who? ^ I can't wait to see what that sturs up. ;D
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Aug 7, 2006 17:24:32 GMT -5
Post by lili on Aug 7, 2006 17:24:32 GMT -5
That is NOT JPM with Bill & Linda.
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Aug 7, 2006 20:41:53 GMT -5
Post by KHAN on Aug 7, 2006 20:41:53 GMT -5
That is NOT JPM with Bill & Linda. Agreed. That guy's forehead is way bigger than JPM's...
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Aug 7, 2006 23:08:54 GMT -5
Post by McCartneyIII on Aug 7, 2006 23:08:54 GMT -5
That is NOT JPM with Bill & Linda. Why?, because you only want he dead? bad girl
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