urzu7
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Post by urzu7 on Apr 10, 2014 13:04:25 GMT -5
Hey everyone I'm a new comer to this whole rumor I only found out about it 2 days ago. It has left me baffled. I really don't know how to take this whole Paul dead is thing and I don't know where to stand with it. But after reading up about the whole thing and watching videos, I was thinking, maybe The Beatles with all the clues and cryptic messages hidden throughout their songs and album covers was a joke. I'm not saying they created the rumor but rather went a long with it for humorous reasons and even business reasons because they made a lot of money from this rumor. Maybe once they heard about this rumor they just decided to go a long with it.
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urzu7
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Post by urzu7 on Apr 10, 2014 14:32:27 GMT -5
Anyone any thoughts? The whole thing is very fascinating once I heard of it I couldn't stay away from it.
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Post by B on Apr 10, 2014 15:29:21 GMT -5
It is very gripping, isn't it? Let's see what people say.
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urzu7
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Post by urzu7 on Apr 10, 2014 16:02:18 GMT -5
It is very gripping, isn't it? Let's see what people say. It is, I can't stop thinking about it. I don't know whether to believe it or not. I think about it all, you know, Paul dying and being replaced with a double I think it sounds ridiculous and mad, no way anyone could believe that. But then I've seen people say he looks taller in some images compared to recent previous ones, his eyes were brown and now they're green etc. Then I read and watch up on the clues and messages hidden in songs and album cover art and I think to myself, it seems that they're just having fun with the rumor, you know just messing with people, confusing them as a joke. I honestly don't know what to believe. Despite those changes of appearances I'm still on the side of it not being true a little bit. If I'm correct this rumor started with Paul being in a car accident? If so wheres the news articles or reports reporting about it? I can't find any pictures of it without this hoax being attached, I can't find any news on it that stands on a neutral ground. All the time I've searched for this car crash incident on google and youtube there are no legitimate news reports just articles from fans speculating the hoax. There's nothing about a car crash on wikipedia or anywhere else all that comes up on google when I type "Paul McCartney car crash" are articles about the rumor of him being dead.
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Post by B on Apr 10, 2014 17:14:14 GMT -5
urzu7, Can I ask you your approximate age, and how you came to be interested in this topic? As you may have noticed, this forum has been around for years, and a lot of rocks have been looked under, so to speak, in all that time. I think people of different ages tend to come at it with different attitudes. When I first heard about it in 1969, I felt the way I had when president Kennedy was shot. As a result, it kind of stayed with me, even though I didn't do much about it 'til it came up on the internet years later. What was your experience?
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Post by Jai Guru Deva on Apr 10, 2014 17:35:57 GMT -5
Welcome to the board urzu7. You may find your thoughts on the subject matter goes through many incarnations as you learn and study more... Enjoy the ride!
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urzu7
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Post by urzu7 on Apr 10, 2014 17:36:05 GMT -5
I'm 22. My interest in this came about a couple of days ago when I searched up "worlds top conspiracies" I've always like reading up on stuff like that and I came across Paul McCartney being dead rumor and it has fascinated me more than others.
As I said in my comment there that I couldn't find actual news reports on the car crash, do you know what the deal with that is?
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Post by urzu7 on Apr 10, 2014 17:37:39 GMT -5
Welcome to the board urzu7. You may find your thoughts on the subject matter goes through many incarnations as you learn and study more... Enjoy the ride! Thanks for the welcome. I've been enjoying researching this over the past few days, so fascinating.
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Post by cherilyn7 on Apr 10, 2014 18:29:14 GMT -5
Welcome urzu7, despite being a Beatles fan many moons ago, strangely, I only heard about this subject in 2012 and since then have gone through different stages of research, it kind of evolves and the further you look the deeper it goes with different facets like the roots of a tree going all over the place..... I would recommend a short video by Jensen Rufe: that will give you the basis of the PID theory. However, all you can do is do your own research (as you are doing) and you may be surprised where it leads.
Compare the photos pre 1966 with post 1966/67 and the differences are clear.
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Post by hotman637 on Apr 10, 2014 18:38:25 GMT -5
I'm 22. My interest in this came about a couple of days ago when I searched up "worlds top conspiracies" I've always like reading up on stuff like that and I came across Paul McCartney being dead rumor and it has fascinated me more than others. As I said in my comment there that I couldn't find actual news reports on the car crash, do you know what the deal with that is? There were no official reports of a car crash because officially Paul is not dead. Whether he is dead or not is still not clear but he was replaced but so were ALL the Beatles and many many other celebrities.
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urzu7
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Post by urzu7 on Apr 10, 2014 19:37:43 GMT -5
I'm 22. My interest in this came about a couple of days ago when I searched up "worlds top conspiracies" I've always like reading up on stuff like that and I came across Paul McCartney being dead rumor and it has fascinated me more than others. As I said in my comment there that I couldn't find actual news reports on the car crash, do you know what the deal with that is? There were no official reports of a car crash because officially Paul is not dead. Whether he is dead or not is still not clear but he was replaced but so were ALL the Beatles and many many other celebrities. The car crash must have happened to start this rumor. I wonder how the crash came about in this whole thing who first said it? If it is true that Paul died in the accident there would have been official reports before the replacement of him had a chance to begin. There would have been cops and paramedics at the scene they all couldn't have been in on it. What about Paul's family why would they want this cover up to happen?
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Post by urzu7 on Apr 10, 2014 19:44:23 GMT -5
Welcome urzu7, despite being a Beatles fan many moons ago, strangely, I only heard about this subject in 2012 and since then have gone through different stages of research, it kind of evolves and the further you look the deeper it goes with different facets like the roots of a tree going all over the place..... I would recommend a short video by Jensen Rufe: that will give you the basis of the PID theory. However, all you can do is do your own research (as you are doing) and you may be surprised where it leads. Compare the photos pre 1966 with post 1966/67 and the differences are clear. Can you link me some photos comparing the two I'd like to see them, I've seen some already I want to see if there are any others. Also I watched that video you recommended, how did he come up with William Campbell (Faul or Faul#1 in that case) that he died in 1977?
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Post by because on Apr 10, 2014 21:53:20 GMT -5
I'm 22. My interest in this came about a couple of days ago when I searched up "worlds top conspiracies" I've always like reading up on stuff like that and I came across Paul McCartney being dead rumor and it has fascinated me more than others. As I said in my comment there that I couldn't find actual news reports on the car crash, do you know what the deal with
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Post by B on Apr 10, 2014 22:21:04 GMT -5
because wrote: "...i lived through the PID weekend broadcast by WMCA in NYC. Then the reassurances that Paul was alive came. "I don't know what WMCA may have run, but the story broke (on the east coast) with Roby Yonge on WABC, and here it is, just as I, and millions of others, first heard it in October 1969. The BeaTles- 1969 - 134 Bonus ¹ - WABC Roby Yonge with Paul www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQFiRPr3DTo
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Post by because on Apr 10, 2014 23:03:03 GMT -5
I have listened to the WABC broadcast. This was a weekend long event - may have been Friday and Saturday..... I could be wrong but that is what I remember. We were all glued to the radio to hear the clues...
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Post by because on Apr 11, 2014 9:23:13 GMT -5
It was a local station that had the PID clues - and it probably wasn't all weekend although it felt like it...... WMCA was following the movements of the band members though and updating the listeners frequently... /
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Post by linus on Apr 11, 2014 10:46:08 GMT -5
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Post by because on Apr 11, 2014 14:24:12 GMT -5
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Post by B on Apr 11, 2014 16:59:29 GMT -5
I can confirm the TV announcement in the New York area during the Monkees broadcast, but it's a little hazy in my memory. I think that the announcement may have been that a Beatle had been in a car accident, but not that he had died. If one had died, I think that would have been a "break in" news bulletin for sure, with programming interruptions and so on. It was like: "More on the news at the top of the hour!" (but it never was mentioned again on the news, or anywhere else.)
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Post by jpmtruthcanuck on Apr 11, 2014 17:42:39 GMT -5
I'm 22. My interest in this came about a couple of days ago when I searched up "worlds top conspiracies" I've always like reading up on stuff like that and I came across Paul McCartney being dead rumor and it has fascinated me more than others. As I said in my comment there that I couldn't find actual news reports on the car crash, do you know what the deal with that is? Actually, i heard a news broadcast - during the premiere episode of the Monkees television show on September 11 1966 that one of the Beatles was involved in a fatal car crash and that further information would follow on the 11:00 pm news. i stayed up but there was no followup. i have checked with other friends and they also remember the interruption of the program and no followup. i have heard that this broadcast may have only occurred in the New York City area. Rumors of the group breaking up followed - touring was out. Lots of strange sightings were reported. Then Sgt Pepper was released and there was a new Paul on the cover - at least that's what i noticed.
i remember thinking that Paul could certainly sing high in the later releases.... i lived through the PID weekend broadcast by WMCA in NYC. Then the reassurances that Paul was alive came. i really wasn't convinced that something hadn't happened....
It was only when a friend held up the cover of the McCartney album that I realized Jpm was gone... iTs taken many years before i began to look into what happened. The Internet makes research possible but also deters research..... Wow, that news broadcast on September 11, 1966 during the Monkees show that you describe has caught my attention. Is there any record or old footage of that?
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Post by B on Apr 11, 2014 21:55:39 GMT -5
Nobody has found any so far, jpmtruthcanuck. It's not likely that there would be, because it seems to have been generated in a local NY TV studio during a commercial break; not carried on the network to many affiliates. At that time there were no VCRs, etc. and even the studios weren't likely to have any recordings of it. I'm not saying that it couldn't have been recorded somehow, somewhere, but it is highly unlikely that anyone recorded it at the time, and even less likely that there is any film or tape of it at this point.
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Post by because on Apr 11, 2014 23:22:28 GMT -5
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Post by linus on Apr 12, 2014 1:03:06 GMT -5
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Monkees_(TV_series)Ah yes, the Monkees tv premiere was on Sept. 12th, 1966. The Sgt. Pepper drum is translated as September 11, so there’s a discrepancy there. There’s also the theory that it is meant to be translated as November 9. Also, there’s the False Rumor snippet from Beatles Monthly Magazine from Feb. 1967, stating that there was a rumor that he’d been in an accident on January 7th of 1967. My question is why would they have to put clandestine clues into their work if there was already a public rumor and an acknowledgement of it in their own fan magazine? Of course I’m not saying the clues aren’t there, they are most definitely there. What I notice however, is that they are contradictory, are sometimes necromantic, and actually go back as far as 1963. invanddis.proboards.com/thread/7362/pre-fall-66-pid-themesAnd let’s remember in A Day In The Life, Lennon says “Well I just had to laugh, I saw the photograph.” And the next year sings “Happiness is a warm gun.” Also remember the Beatles were fixated with death on Revolver.
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Post by because on Apr 12, 2014 11:30:53 GMT -5
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Monkees_(TV_series)Ah yes, the Monkees tv premiere was on Sept. 12th, 1966. The Sgt. Pepper drum is translated as September 11, so there’s a discrepancy there. There’s also the theory that it is meant to be translated as November 9. Also, there’s the False Rumor snippet from Beatles Monthly Magazine from Feb. 1967, stating that there was a rumor that he’d been in an accident on January 7th of 1967. My question is why would they have to put clandestine clues into their work if there was already a public rumor and an acknowledgement of it in their own fan magazine? Of course I’m not saying the clues aren’t there, they are most definitely there. What I notice however, is that they are contradictory, are sometimes necromantic, and actually go back as far as 1963.
invanddis.proboards.com/thread/7362/pre-fall-66-pid-themesAnd let’s remember in A Day In The Life, Lennon says “Well I just had to laugh, I saw the photograph.” And the next year sings “Happiness is a warm gun.” Also remember the Beatles were fixated with death on Revolver.
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Post by because on Apr 12, 2014 12:10:48 GMT -5
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