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Post by linus on Apr 12, 2014 12:55:03 GMT -5
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Monkees_(TV_series)Ah yes, the Monkees tv premiere was on Sept. 12th, 1966. The Sgt. Pepper drum is translated as September 11, so there’s a discrepancy there. There’s also the theory that it is meant to be translated as November 9. Also, there’s the False Rumor snippet from Beatles Monthly Magazine from Feb. 1967, stating that there was a rumor that he’d been in an accident on January 7th of 1967. My question is why would they have to put clandestine clues into their work if there was already a public rumor and an acknowledgement of it in their own fan magazine? Of course I’m not saying the clues aren’t there, they are most definitely there. What I notice however, is that they are contradictory, are sometimes necromantic, and actually go back as far as 1963. invanddis.proboards.com/thread/7362/pre-fall-66-pid-themesAnd let’s remember in A Day In The Life, Lennon says “Well I just had to laugh, I saw the photograph.” And the next year sings “Happiness is a warm gun.” Also remember the Beatles were fixated with death on Revolver. I don't think a discrepancy can be assumed - we never got a news report with any details. So either nothing happened or something did and was quashed. They really didn't try too hard to make the new Paul look like the old Paul. Clues that don't make sense and contradict each other. There actually might be a message in that! Going back to Sgt Pepper - I was really turned off at first - then in the middle of circus music, the dirge appears. I happened to fall asleep one night with the Sgt Pepper album playing and awoke to the last chord of A Day in the Life. It goes on forever and it is ominous and sinister. The discrepancy is in the dates of the alleged incident. Was it 9/11, 9/12, 11/9, Jan 7th? One could also say they did try very hard to make Paul(s) look unlike his previous self - though still uncanilly similar. If he was replaced by an actor-impostor, there are too many similarities that can't be explained with surgery that the public is aware of. i.e. the lower & angled left eye, the teeth, the benign Adam's apple. If a person were to have all these changed, would he still be able to function normally?
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Post by jpmtruthcanuck on Apr 12, 2014 13:02:38 GMT -5
Here is a theory. JPM was in a car crash Sept. 11, 1966. It took a while to make positive identification. There is a time difference between England and NY. In 1966, it took some time for news to travel across the ocean, not like now where everything is instantaneous with the internet. Sept. 12, 1966 was the first Monkees show and that's when the bulletin was broadcast. There is no doubt that this bulletin occurred - too many witnesses. Someone let the cat out of the bag, but then it was hushed up. The message on the Sgt. Pepper's drumkit is Sept. 11, he (Paul) died. (either physically or as a member of the Beatles). I ONEIX HE DIE. I ONE = 11, IX = 9. SEPT. 11, HE DIE.
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Post by linus on Apr 12, 2014 13:08:36 GMT -5
They had telephones.
Another thing to point out is that "he die" is in future tense, not past.
yes, I know that's what it says when you mirror "lonely hearts", but if they wanted it to be past tense, they could've found a way to do so.
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Post by linus on Apr 12, 2014 14:04:36 GMT -5
The first Monkees episode to air was titled Royal Flush. Sept. 12th, 1966. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Monkees_episodesWhat’s interesting about the episode is that Davey (the British cute one) tries to stop a conspiracy to kill Bettina, the Princess of Harmonica. When she discovers the plot, she sends a letter to her embassy informing them that her uncle is responsible if she doesn’t appear at the royal ball that night. www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgWQY8IxSwcThe man scheming to kill her is her uncle Otto Auto? Beatles researchers will know the name Bettina from the German girl who claims Paul McCartney is her father. Princess Bettina was played by Katherine Walsh, who was only in two films. This was her last. The Trip Notice the LSD motif. This film came out in 1967, the same year as Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds. www.imdb.com/title/tt0062395/Here’s the description: Paul Groves (Peter Fonda), a television commercial director, is in the midst of a personality crisis. His wife Sally (Susan Strasberg) has left him and he seeks the help of his friend John (Bruce Dern), a self-styled guru who's an advocate of LSD. Paul asks John to be the guide on his first "trip". John takes Paul to a "freak-out" at his friend Max's (Dennis Hopper) pad. Splitting the scene, they score some acid from Max and return to John's split-level pad with an indoor pool. Paul experiences visions of sex, death, strobe lights, flowers, dancing girls, witches, hooded riders, a torture chamber, and a dwarf. He panics but John tells him to "go with it, man." full movie www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwuTEV2G1HUThe second Monkees episode is titled “Monkee See, Monkee Die”. www.youtube.com/watch?v=iirnQEoFkz8In which they attend the reading of the will of the late John Cunningham. Later the butler is killed and they hold a séance to summon the spirit of John in order to ask him who the murderer was. However, it turns out the butler faked his death to scare the Monkees away. In the beginning of the episode, they pretend to be old people, then they try to explain that they’re the real Monkees, but the man delivering the message asks, “When you see the real Monkees will you give them the message.” The third episode is titled "Monkee vs. Machine", and is about the Monkees trying to help an old toy maker keep his job while his employer want to replace him with an automaton. www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UGv8FIHqfU
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Post by because on Apr 12, 2014 19:50:14 GMT -5
Yikes! I was going to throw out a thought - probably has been covered before. What if the clues are not clues - what if they are confirmations....
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Post by linus on Apr 13, 2014 2:27:22 GMT -5
I think of them as a motif, or a theme. That runs throughout their entire career. 1963-1966 being the prologue, and 1967 to present being the more earnest enactment.
Before 1967 it's more overt, (hidden in plain sight), but the physical discrepancies are harder to spot. After 1967 the discrepancies are easier to spot, but the death-clue motif went more subliminal, albeit more frequent.
The Bealtemania-era films & albums are the ultimate prelude to the PID paradigm. As the last line in the last song on Revolver states, "It's the end of the beginning."
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Post by roscoe on Aug 23, 2014 0:58:07 GMT -5
A former girlfriend said to me around 1990 that Paul supposedly died in 1966 and I laughed and said NONSENSE and ignored the rumour for the next 24 years.
I wish I hadn't.
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Post by jpmtruthcanuck on May 18, 2015 14:18:08 GMT -5
Regarding the Sept 12, 1966 bulletin during the Monkees telecast, I believe I saw that. I definitely watched that initial Monkees show - it may have been via a Detroit tv station. The announcement shook me up and I stayed up to watch the news, but there was no further mention. However, I have recalled this bulletin after all these years, as at the time, I was a kid in love with JPM. When I google this incident, I don't find a write up about this bulletin interrupting the Monkees first show, but my internet skills are elementary. I get a hit on this website, but that's it. What I am looking for is something in writing that states this bulletin occurred. Has anyone found such a link? thanks.
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Post by B on May 18, 2015 15:41:33 GMT -5
So far no one has.
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Post by revolver on May 19, 2015 21:09:57 GMT -5
Regarding the Sept 12, 1966 bulletin during the Monkees telecast, I believe I saw that. I definitely watched that initial Monkees show - it may have been via a Detroit tv station. The announcement shook me up and I stayed up to watch the news, but there was no further mention. However, I have recalled this bulletin after all these years, as at the time, I was a kid in love with JPM. When I google this incident, I don't find a write up about this bulletin interrupting the Monkees first show, but my internet skills are elementary. I get a hit on this website, but that's it. What I am looking for is something in writing that states this bulletin occurred. Has anyone found such a link? thanks. Enough people have remembered this that it seems credible. But the Mon Sept 12 1966 date conflicts with the Tue Sept 13 Melody Makers awards, where Paul was last seen publicly. Also, it seems odd that George would fly off to India on Wed the 14th as if nothing had happened. The Pepper drum code can be interpreted to point to 3 Oct as the date: I ONE I X (3 10), rather than 11 9. Oct 3 1966 was a Monday, the same day as the Monkees TV show. Maybe people are misremembering hearing the news report during the Monkees 1st episode, when it was actually their 4th episode on Oct. 3. Long term memories are often unreliable that way. Here's the Sep 12 episode. Here's the Oct 3 episode. The Monkees - Season 1
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Post by jpmtruthcanuck on May 21, 2015 17:09:18 GMT -5
Regarding the Sept 12, 1966 bulletin during the Monkees telecast, I believe I saw that. I definitely watched that initial Monkees show - it may have been via a Detroit tv station. The announcement shook me up and I stayed up to watch the news, but there was no further mention. However, I have recalled this bulletin after all these years, as at the time, I was a kid in love with JPM. When I google this incident, I don't find a write up about this bulletin interrupting the Monkees first show, but my internet skills are elementary. I get a hit on this website, but that's it. What I am looking for is something in writing that states this bulletin occurred. Has anyone found such a link? thanks. Enough people have remembered this that it seems credible. But the Mon Sept 12 1966 date conflicts with the Tue Sept 13 Melody Makers awards, where Paul was last seen publicly. Also, it seems odd that George would fly off to India on Wed the 14th as if nothing had happened. The Pepper drum code can be interpreted to point to 3 Oct as the date: I ONE I X (3 10), rather than 11 9. Oct 3 1966 was a Monday, the same day as the Monkees TV show. Maybe people are misremembering hearing the news report during the Monkees 1st episode, when it was actually their 4th episode on Oct. 3. Long term memories are often unreliable that way. Here's the Sep 12 episode. Here's the Oct 3 episode. The Monkees - Season 1Interesting point of view. Here is another thread on this forum about the Melody makers awards of Sept 13, 1966 invanddis.proboards.com/thread/7690/melody-maker-awards-mccartneyJust my opinion here, but the youtube video of Paul and Ringo (one of the posts in that thread) looks strange to me... I'm not convinced this is JPM.. I think Paul had the car crash Sept 11, 1966 in France. I buy the way he died in the book An Invesigation into the Beatles, etc by Michael Wright a bit more than Billy Shears version of his death (with hitchhiker Donna involved). But for me, I think it's Sept. 11. (both these books agree on that). Again, strictly my current point of view, and subject to change as I keep researching this sad topic.
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Post by revolver on May 21, 2015 21:26:19 GMT -5
Enough people have remembered this that it seems credible. But the Mon Sept 12 1966 date conflicts with the Tue Sept 13 Melody Makers awards, where Paul was last seen publicly. Also, it seems odd that George would fly off to India on Wed the 14th as if nothing had happened. The Pepper drum code can be interpreted to point to 3 Oct as the date: I ONE I X (3 10), rather than 11 9. Oct 3 1966 was a Monday, the same day as the Monkees TV show. Maybe people are misremembering hearing the news report during the Monkees 1st episode, when it was actually their 4th episode on Oct. 3. Long term memories are often unreliable that way. Here's the Sep 12 episode. Here's the Oct 3 episode. The Monkees - Season 1Interesting point of view. Here is another thread on this forum about the Melody makers awards of Sept 13, 1966 invanddis.proboards.com/thread/7690/melody-maker-awards-mccartneyJust my opinion here, but the youtube video of Paul and Ringo (one of the posts in that thread) looks strange to me... I'm not convinced this is JPM.. I think Paul had the car crash Sept 11, 1966 in France. I buy the way he died in the book An Invesigation into the Beatles, etc by Michael Wright a bit more than Billy Shears version of his death (with hitchhiker Donna involved). But for me, I think it's Sept. 11. (both these books agree on that). Again, strictly my current point of view, and subject to change as I keep researching this sad topic. Do you remember the plot of the Monkees episode you were watching when the news report came on? I posted those episodes to hopefully jog someone's memories. If the accident happened on the 11th, why would the news break the evening of the 12th? Due to the time zone difference, it would have been early morning on the 13th in England. That's why I think the evening of Mon, 3 Oct is the more likely date of the accident. This would place the breaking news report during the Monkees 4th episode that started at 7:30PM on the East coast. The news report was probably an hour or two after the accident. It's also more consistent with the "stupid bloody Tuesday" clue, since that would be the day that the Beatles found out that they lost Paul.
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Post by delysid on Sept 20, 2015 16:48:53 GMT -5
I can't quite recall when I got interested in it or how. I'm not sure which of the classic Beatles biographies might have had a bit on it but it is likely that one as most, like Anthology, ignored it entirely. Then during the 90's there was something mysterious going on in the oldest (since defunct) British music paper, Melody Maker (a long story in itself and only eventually related to The Beatles) which started in the classified ads, then seized the letters pages and eventually became the lead news. It's hard for me to sum that up as I never quite understood it but it was a 'treasure hunt' or as the term then called it, a 'trainspotting' adventure which started to link up several mythologies including those of The Beatles and a prankster band called The KLF. Knowing little about either, I was intrigued but not informed enough to follow. The journalists and readers seemed to have some 'insider talk' going on and the whole thing was hard to get a grip on but in order to explain, there was a series of articles, in the end.
Actually the whole thing, now I come to think about it, wasn't unlike the Iamaphoney thing, in terms of it being incredibly hard to crack what people are talking about on the subject until you find yourself a bit obsessed with trying to get in on 'the joke'.
Anyway, one of the articles stemmed from records that a strange entity, label or band called X$X had supposedly released on Apple or Zapple in 1992/3. There was an enigmatic spokesperson whose name I've forgotten (and that's who specifically I associate with the 'vibe' of iamaphoney in more recent times....a similar 'signature' on things if you'd ask me)
Although there had been a few people who tried to 'use' the Apple label for releases and publicity value, these records from X$X, it was noted, had been the only ones to have done so WITHOUT a legal threat from Apple (again, some of the claims around iamaphoney have had the same kind of anomalies being noted). At the time, this led to an idea voiced by readers' letters that Paul McCartney was working with The KLF but that idea was taken to be utterly ludicrous by journalists. A lot of them, especially in sister paper NME, which didn't really run these stories but alluded to them, were fed up with being wound up by The KLF's pranks and dismissed it from that angle. But lo and behold, McCartney released an album in collaboration with Youth (who with half of The KLF had formed The Orb) and one of the tracks on the album was called 'Pure Trance', the name of a deleted, sought-after series of 12" records by The KLF from the late 80's. This left many feeling like Dorothy in the Wizard of Oz as in not being in Kansas anymore and suddenly McCartney seemed to become 'cool' even though his recent album, 'Off The Ground' had been totally panned by critics and there just wasn't anybody LESS cool than him. I was as confused as anybody else by this but also very intrigued. It was a lot more interesting than much in the music papers but it really did involve reading every inch of the issues to find the latest messages being left in classified ads alongside the easier to see articles and letters.
I know this is way off Beatle/PID territory but I'm getting there with it (I've just been looking through some old music papers). There was a single called 'We'll Fuck You Like Supermen' by X$X which, like all of the other records, failed to be confirmed as existing and, again, it was supposedly on the Apple label. In the course of explaining these (non)releases and trying to track down info on X$X, Melody Maker did a profile on McCartney and his alter-ego pranks, the latest of which (the 'Strawberries' album by The Fireman had really caught out the dance music fraternity) and the biggest item they included was the 'Paul Is Dead' myth. They also focussed on the Thrillington scams which amazed me as those had been conducted via the classified ads too. That was it for me. I was never 100% interested in Beatles records although I liked them but after that, I did the whole clue-trawling thing and it turned out that it was quite popular among Dance Music fans who were doing the same kinds of things, trying to track down whose alter ego had made a white label. So a lot of shared estate there and if you talked to ravers, they all had MUCH more respect for McCartney than rock freaks because of all this playfulness and secrecy.
I don't think for one second that I ever even bothered with considering any truth to the PID idea. It was obvious that Paul McCartney was and is a grade AAA prankster who really makes things happen when he decides to get in that mode. That's about it for me. I wish he'd ditch all his popshit and just be this maverick but obviously it's just one string on his Hofner!
I never found out what became of all of that. For a time, X$X, The KLF, The Orb and The Fireman seemed to be connected in a way that suggested Zapple Records would be relaunched. But that was just MY wishful thinking.
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Post by delysid on Sept 29, 2015 6:11:06 GMT -5
PS- For those REALLY new to PID, here's a useful shortcut from the band themselves: Faul: "PID TWUNTS LINE UP OVER THERE, PLEASE WHILE I TAKE OFF MY SANDLES FOR THE MOLTEN LAVA WALK"Fingo: "Can't stop to mess around. Got a brand new nose in town"
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Post by delysid on Oct 5, 2015 8:16:06 GMT -5
The above picture also raises a vital point I should have mentioned earlier.
Instead of asking 'Did The Beatles cover up Paul's death and initiate the New World Order on behalf of...erm...the New World Order or somebody?', people should be asking 'HOW DID FINGO MISS HIS OWN NOSTRIL?
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