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clarekuehn
Hard Day's Night
Yes he died. Yes 1 man replaced him. Yes that was it. Yes wasn't so well done. Yes big implications.
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Post by clarekuehn on Jul 8, 2014 22:21:46 GMT -5
Sorry if this has been posted before but I did a quick search on the forum and couldn't find it. This sounds like a woman with her head screwed on about PID. She sticks to what she knows. Thank you. (Note the Lennon drawing image -- below -- is sometimes not displaying and I don't know why. I have re-added it.) Hello all and respectfully! 1. Someone on Twitter was attempting to spoof Pid and my work, by using cLairekuehn and now is using ciarekuehn, which on Twitter, because it appears in Arial font, looks like CLARE. My name is CLARE KUEHN. Also, 2. In my strong opinion, Paul is dead, plus replaced. I heartily disagree that Paul died before Sept 11, 1966, or anytime in 1969 when the rumour hit the USA in a big way, but not when it started. 3. John was not replaced. (Yes I have worked hard to see/ not see all Beatles and Eppie replaced, just for sake of argmt but in my utterly strong opinion, only Paul is, and there's a massive case in support of that.) In no way was John replaced; the argument is from 3/4 photos, etc., as he lost weight and his inimitable responses in his body and heart remain. --- ---------- Hi. I am honoured for the thread. Thank you very much, everyone. Actually, my dear friend Jim Fetzer found this thread. (Dunno how.) And I joined in gratitude and to make a quality post about my work in the Beatles issues (incl. John's death) early into the thread. ---- For a full overview of the case, go to all items at the Facebook link given in the Tweet here & consider the argument generalities in the comment at the Facebook link: The interviews with most substance, besides the summary at spreaker.com listed among many things in that link above, are at: radiofetzer.blogspot.ca/2012/01/clare-kuehn.htmlradiofetzer.blogspot.ca/2014/01/clare-kuehn.htmlradiofetzer.blogspot.ca/2014/02/nick-kollerstrom-clare-kuehn.htmlAnd a new one for the 48th anniversary (in 2014) of the death on Sept 11, 1966 -- for he's now dead twice the number of years of his short life: radiofetzer.blogspot.com/2014/09/clare-kuehn.htmlYou can go to any of these links on that archive & search my name in the field at the top left, so that you can hear these other shows and my other topics, as well. (To hear the actual interviews, click on the box at the top of the blog that reads "The Real Deal with Jim Fetzer podcast" at the links above. - edit by B) -- Actually, B, to hear the interviews, click the green name of the show's guest (for any of his shows), or right-click that green name to save & listen on your own player, which is best (since the slider if you only click the green name, is less sensitive). -- Edit by Clare
My blog page about the Paul death case (and John's drawing of Paul dead, which was privately done, forensically accurate) is at: youcanknowsometimes.blogspot.ca/2013/12/paul-is-dead-new-j-lennon-clue-ignore.htmlThe drawing alone is archived at: 2.bp.blogspot.com/-wMMrhC-vIbE/UwFFQ0fpgBI/AAAAAAAABog/Ky9LLN9SS08/s1600/john+best+copy.jpgHere, below, is a copy of John's drawing of Paul dead. It is no doodle (though it is simple). There are multiple forensically accurate things about the head and ankle injuries and it was done privately, not when given to the collector, who didn't know what it was. Note the gap on the figure's left side, pulling up the left eye (our right side in view). This has to be injury, serious injury. In that line of reasoning, the man is dead or nearly so. The zig-zag above the face, at the top, is therefore the top of a broken head (done as though eggshell top), and the zig-zag is therefore not the bottom of a dark hat. More info below the drawing ... He snuck it out to us: it was a private drawing, is blunt-trauma forensically accurate, though simplified. He must have done it to exorcise the vision and memorialize the funeral (shovel, dirt), etc. As one item in many, this is strong evidence of personal knowledge of a death. Its details are supportive of direct knowledge. But it is also atypical for the artist (John). It is not "the proof" -- it is part of the total, but the most personal, poignant statement of them all, if seen within the case for PID. In reply to someone on Youtube, a supporter of my work in general posted this, where the detractor had stated John was self-absorbed and surreal and that explains everything: "I never said the drawing is overall accurate; I said it conveys features accurately for certain types of head and body impact. - As to "me me me" [for John Lennon's own character], it's irrelevant for this issue. The types of wounds and areas match all other Paul-related clue references in detail and sense, as well as being even more detailed in where damage shifted for bones in the head, which is, as I said, accurate. For example, frontal bones (forehead bones) are one strong bone, behind the eyes and crossing the upper nose (bridge). If shifted, indeed an indent and the beginning of a shift would become noticeable at the nose bridge (as in the drawing), shift or pop the eyes out, and cut or split the temple and the ear would likely be affected by temporal bone (side circular bone) shift as well; temple and ear on left are split and hanging with gore or ear flap. -- Not imaginary but yes, a concept in the mind as everything in life is when argued. It's called inductive (as opposed to pre-set, deductive math reasoning). -- Open your mind and learn more about the drawing and its relation to very specific items in the clues references, repeated over many years. The eyes are shown in that configuration (right bulging, left crushed or smaller and overall dislocated), in 4 items. You should be more careful and less on one side before deciding. The case overall is extensive and the drawing is a wonderful lynchpin as well. -- Surrealism is one claim someone (you) can make; but the interrelatedness of this drawing and its sadness, carefulness in injury areas and specific additions it makes to the clues are striking, too. As such, it is in the PID argument. Saying something would normally be "surreal" is merely putting down the idea. You handle no details; I do. As to the idea it might be surreal, think of this, as well: his other drawings are usually far less representative, do not deal with gore and when more accurate are friendly and hopeful. Hm." It shows the body from above (blood spilling out), but also representing the digging of the grave after death, with a comforting God and flower or magic mushroom for dreaming/ visions. He snuck this out to an unsuspecting collector who asked for the album itself and a signature (which John did on the front). - The bone movements are surprisingly accurately represented, if he'd never seen a smashed head. The frontal bone's (forehead's) dislocation through the mid-eyes and noticeable irst at upper nose bridge, as well as cutting the temple region, and the parietal bone's (top side of head) hanging open, are the main accuracies; however, the flat jagged top edge is also evocative of frontal bone behaviour. The shoes (Beatle boot style) are dissheveled, ankles broken (common in impact on street or in vehicle). The bruised, partly dislocated eyes are also carefully drawn. -- The discussion is on my blog (link above). ============== (Note to PIDers: Note my avatar here. I made it! Heart eyes, fake ears, glasses which look like skull, Beatles haircut, sewn mouth, kind of Beatles suit. ) And interview regarding sources on and what's known about John Lennon's death (hour 1, with another interviewee on same topic in hour 2): radiofetzer.blogspot.ca/2012/12/clare-keuhn-total-info.html(Note: other interviewee is great but misunderstood my point re. elevator man/ repairman. I suggested he, who was first suspected by police, could have been an unidentified hitman, passing John and spinning back to shoot him, with Perdomo the outside doorman -- who seems to have been the same Jose Perdomo as the head of the CIA Anti-Castro Bay of Pigs Operation 40 assassination squad -- as backup behind him. The other interviewee thought I meant the elevator man/ repair man shot toward the front, but as he and I know that is not tenable, from reports of the blood and risk to Perdomo. ----- Also note: Salvador Astuccia, whose site is now down, also scanned the reports he got when he contacted NYPD to get the two reporting officers' notes and for those he was refused each time; he also scanned his request for the crime scene photographs, but those were marked "NOT FOUND".)
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Post by Paul Bearer on Jul 10, 2014 9:22:16 GMT -5
Wow! You just joined. Did you find this post on google?
BTW, I feel I should tell you off the bat I thought people were praising "Sir Paul" too much on the interviews.
They were going on how great the Wings band was etc. You need to understand the man is a fraud. He doesn't write his own music. He has ghost writers. That is why the style and quality of his work has been inconsistent over the years. The deal is if you work with him he must take credit for all the work. it is to keep the Paul McCartney image alive, even though it has been a false one for many years. That it why I will call him Faul. He was knighted by the Queen for services rendered in the cover up.
Some of his early solo music was written for him by Elton John. Later Sir Elton got fed up and wrote "Goodbye Yellow Brick Road" to tell just how fed up he was. But he was probably knighted for a similar reason. A lot of Faul's 80s & early 90s music was lame, possibly because he actually attempted to write his own music at that point but he was useless, no edge to the music.
Denny Laine probably wrote a lot of the Wings music. He was chosen because he had a special history with The Beatles. Originally Denny was selected as a possible candidate as Paul's replacement. He resigned from The Moody Blues in Oct 66. I believe he is "Paul" in Strawberry Fields and Penny Lane videos, also possibly in Kenya, the Dec 20th press conference and even the Feb 67 interview about telling people to take LSD. It just doesn't look or sound like Billy to me but that is JMO. Others here may have something to say on that.
However, at some point, they realised they couldn't get the plastic surgery right for Denny and switched to Billy. Seeing Billy pull off a passible performance at an Aug 66 press conference, it doesn't appear to me that he needed that much surgery. BTW, Paul was sick at that time and had been for a while, but not yet dead. The song "Yesterday" was about his deteriorating health. There was a shadow hanging over him. Presumably at that stage they were using a double for benevolent purposes.
In order to keep the presentation of Billy as the new Paul consistent in Sgt. Pepper, they had to pull Strawberry Fields and Penny Lane off the album. "Penny Lane is in my ears and in my eyes" means "Denny Laine is in my ears and in my eyes." Quite blatant. There was even an article in a Beatles fan magazine about Denny Laine headlining this very thing. Anyway, I hope this clears up the talk of having more than one double, it was mainly in the first few months until they settled on Billy.
So much more I can tell you.
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Post by cherilyn7 on Jul 10, 2014 16:11:18 GMT -5
Thanks, Paulbearer, that really did make a lot of sense and ties in with what I've been looking at lately re the Penny Lane/Strawberry Fields/Hello, Goodbye promo films (not called videos then, of course). That does explain why Denny Laine (not his real name) left the Moody Blues when he did and the guy in Kenya with Mal really does look like Denny, not Bill. The moustache was sort of long and thin, like Denny Laine's. Also, it explains Denny being included in Wings as a kind of runner up prize and for him to do the songwriting; whilst being paid £50 a week, no wonder he was bitter. Re Bill, who as you said did the 1966 American press conference where he did all the talking; in the Jensen Rufe short film it states that Bill died in 1977. Recommended, if you haven't seen it. This would be when another Faul took over.
It is obvious, when you think about it, that Lennon/McCartney could not have written all the songs attributed to them (the real Lennon/McCartney not Faul/Fennon). Considering all the material they were supposed to be writing; they did a tremendous amount of "covers" including Smokey Robinson and Holland/Dozier/Holland and others; whilst supposedly writing hits for artistes in the Epstein "stable" and others. That fits that people like Elton John and Donovan and Denny Laine or even Burt Bacharach would write songs that were attributed to Northern Songs.
As for the drawing, it cannot have been done by John as by that time he, also, had been replaced.
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Post by cherilyn7 on Jul 10, 2014 16:17:39 GMT -5
Also, if Bill died in 1977, that could explain why Jimmy McCullough left Wings in 1977 also.
What was Paul's illness? He certainly did not look well in the last photos.
How come all the Paul/Fauls live in the same house at number 7 Cavendish Avenue?
Much more high strangeness....
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Post by hotman637 on Jul 10, 2014 16:50:07 GMT -5
I agree with Paul Bearer COMPLETELY when he says that people praise MacFake too much! It might make sense if they would say WHY they praise him. He has been called Osiris one of the Gods. If he is God why does he pretend to be JPM? If no one has an snswer to a simple question like that then why praise him?
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Post by eddy on Jul 10, 2014 21:16:10 GMT -5
I also agree with the above comments about ghost writers. I don't think Lennon/McCartney had the time or the talent to write so many diverse songs. I think the likely suspects include Joe Cocker, Bacharach, Little Richard, Leon Russell, Donovan, Windwood, Elton John, Clapton, Billy Preston, Margaret Asher, George Martin,(Lord) Andrew Lloyd Webber, Jimmy Webb, Otis Redding, Stevie Wonder (and other 'pros' form Mowtown, Stax Volt and the Brill Building), Ray Davies (Your Mother Should Know), and I think Denny Laine wrote Mull of Kintyre.
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Post by hotman637 on Jul 10, 2014 22:06:33 GMT -5
I also agree with the above comments about ghost writers. I don't think Lennon/McCartney had the time or the talent to write so many diverse songs. I think the likely suspects include Joe Cocker, Bacharach, Little Richard, Leon Russell, Donovan, Windwood, Elton John, Clapton, Billy Preston, Margaret Asher, George Martin,(Lord) Andrew Lloyd Webber, Jimmy Webb, Otis Redding, Stevie Wonder (and other 'pros' form Mowtown, Stax Volt and the Brill Building), Ray Davies (Your Mother Should Know), and I think Denny Laine wrote Mull of Kintyre. I thought Elton John did not write ANY songs AND he was replaced so do you mean Bernie Taupin? I read a biography of Denny Laine and he said that he did write most of "Mull of Kentyre" but MacFake basically stole it.
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Post by Paul Bearer on Jul 10, 2014 23:06:27 GMT -5
Just to make it clear, 'cos these posts are for Clare, I do not believe Lennon-McCartney needed ghost writers - they wrote their own songs, they were a genuine writing talent. That's one of the reasons Paul was so missed, because no longer would we hear new haunting ballads the likes of Michelle, Yesterday, and Eleanor Rigby. However Faul needs ghost writers because he can't write his own music or he can't write anything good.
Since I've been away there's been so much muddying the waters of confusion and now saying everyone was replaced, it's getting ludicrous. Lennon-McCartney were are genuine writing talent, and then Paul died and was replaced. That's the most important thing, just focus on that. Everything else is noise.
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clarekuehn
Hard Day's Night
Yes he died. Yes 1 man replaced him. Yes that was it. Yes wasn't so well done. Yes big implications.
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Post by clarekuehn on Jul 10, 2014 23:32:05 GMT -5
I also heartily disagree that anyone other than Paul's lively (energetic) body in a calm mood is present until the death on, it seems, Sept 11 1966, or at the latest Sept 13. (The Melody Maker awards ceremony is the question there, as well as "Stupid Bloody Tuesday" line. But Mel Mak for that week could have been presented actually before the 13th to the winners and shown on TV/ in print on wrong day, and then Tuesday might be a deflection.) Note also we have a photo of a Paul figure coming off the plane for Shea stadium in late August, which because of sun lighting making odd shadows on the nose and eyes and an almost mugging for the camera wide puffy smile, and an upward angle from the camera, many people have thought was NOT Paul. However, he DID have puffy-cheeked smiles, he did have the same shaped eyes (the shadow from the hair distorts the effect in an impressional sense), and the shadow makes his nose look a bit more downturned, but if you carefully consider where the real nose it, it's Paul's slightly distorted by the smile itself). Sir Paul was more square-shaped of face, kind of oval but not yet a lot of puffy cheeks, except when carefully shown in 3/4 view at that point. ---------- Yes, Paul is very dead. I will honour the 50th anniv. in 2 years on Sept. 11. But I will also suggest the important next 2 steps: getting some people aware of the larger sinister nature of this quick and symbolic replacement process (murder and agenda). It is also important (and moreso right now) to get a crowdfunding for 3-4 independent voiceprint analysts. They need to be instructed to take a large part of the spoken recordings as a whole, in different media and qualities available to us -- spoken word is the only protocol, it turns out, not song -- as well as what they would usually do: take their best-case recordings. The analysis of more of the whole set of evidence available would give a general context for the best-case for the specific formal proof. It costs about 15-25 K $US per analyst. I suggest that we push them to do a global analysis (overall stats) as well as their best-case recordings, because we need it for public opinion, not merely the best-case and cleaned up recordings. For the latter would be claimed by many to be "cherry picked", because the jury of public opinion is not instructed by a judge. Also, I concur that Sir Paul is not the natural buoyant musical talent of Paul; but there is merit in his work, especially some moving single musical ideas within his songs. I have been accused of going too easy on him; I do so deliberately, to bring more people to the case and to point out peace includes all the people, all the reasons, even murderers. We want more openness and peace here, though we won't formally get much, likely. But we need more public readers calm about our position and we need insiders to "sleep at night." It's only right in the long run, I think. Faul (Sir Paul) is a mixed bag; we have to recognize that. Hating on him -- even for murder if he knew or was involved -- will not exactly do for peaceful discussion. He was not alone in the decision, in the band, in the arrangements or in the intel side. Those are my thoughts. Love to you all.
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clarekuehn
Hard Day's Night
Yes he died. Yes 1 man replaced him. Yes that was it. Yes wasn't so well done. Yes big implications.
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Post by clarekuehn on Jul 10, 2014 23:48:40 GMT -5
By the way, I had a hard time with this interviewer. He was knowledgeable about the weirdness angle of the subject but altogether hard to get to stick to the facts of the simpler aspects of the case. It was fun to be able to cover some of the ugliness of the era and the takeover plot, in a sense, for the Beatles -- compromise, off-kilter, intel insider with ideals to come in, etc. -- but it was a bit of a "trip" to try to cover the bare bones of the case. I am glad you liked it.
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Post by Paul Bearer on Jul 11, 2014 1:00:47 GMT -5
Hi Clare, it is great to converse with you. So, here's some more information.
As you correctly surmised, John's meeting with Yoko was arranged. She was his handler; her job was to keep him in control so he wouldn't spill the beans.
In the late 70s, John began a secret project, the album "Double Fantasy", which means "fantasy of a double". He put in many songs exposing Billy; however Yoko found out and went ballistic, replacing all those songs with her own, and only leaving the album title.
But John was breaking away from Yoko's grip; she could no longer control him and had a hand in his assassination. Faul was also happy that he'd been silenced so he could continue pretending to be Paul unhindered.
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Post by cherilyn7 on Jul 11, 2014 15:33:18 GMT -5
Hi Clare, it is great to converse with you. So, here's some more information. As you correctly surmised, John's meeting with Yoko was arranged. She was his handler; her job was to keep him in control so he wouldn't spill the beans. In the late 70s, John began a secret project, the album "Double Fantasy", which means "fantasy of a double". He put in many songs exposing Billy; however Yoko found out and went ballistic, replacing all those songs with her own, and only leaving the album title. But John was breaking away from Yoko's grip; she could no longer control him and had a hand in his assassination. Faul was also happy that he'd been silenced so he could continue pretending to be Paul unhindered. ************************************************************************************************* Thanks, Paulbearer, it seems that you've been away from the forum for some time....what you say seems to fill in some of the missing pieces. Yet, I disagree with Clare about John/Fohn. It is easy to compare John post 1966 and see it is a different individual. Total personality change amongst other differences. You can check out height discrepancies with Fohn and Foko as well, she was played by different people at different times. The person who appeared in "How I Won The War" had more prominent teeth and bushier eyebrows. When filming was completed in Spain, this person (Fohn) was supposed to meet up with Faul and Mal but had already returned to London (or wherever) and they continued on their travels without seeing him. Mal was obviously Faul (or Denny Laine's) handler (thankyou for clarifying this aspect and slotting it all into place)...then the meeting with Yoko took place, however, this Fohn individual had a longer, more beaky nose than John Lennon and also a different, thinner physique. John had a good physique and did not have thin legs. He also had a more square chin, not pointed as the person we started seeing with Yoko. Why did Linda have to be in the band Wings? Always seen gripping his arm, her presence in the group is one of the main things that made it naff. She was no musician and lacked charisma.
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Post by cherilyn7 on Jul 11, 2014 15:53:11 GMT -5
Just to make it clear, 'cos these posts are for Clare, I do not believe Lennon-McCartney needed ghost writers - they wrote their own songs, they were a genuine writing talent. That's one of the reasons Paul was so missed, because no longer would we hear new haunting ballads the likes of Michelle, Yesterday, and Eleanor Rigby. However Faul needs ghost writers because he can't write his own music or he can't write anything good. Since I've been away there's been so much muddying the waters of confusion and now saying everyone was replaced, it's getting ludicrous. Lennon-McCartney were are genuine writing talent, and then Paul died and was replaced. That's the most important thing, just focus on that. Everything else is noise. *********************************************************************************************** Lennon/McCartney did not need "ghost writers"; no, but they would not have had the TIME to write all those songs ascribed to them. They wrote many fabulous songs, but many others published by Northern Songs would have been written by others. Also, if a song was vaunted as penned by Lennon/McCartney, it would virtually guarantee a hit record for another artiste many of whom sought one of "their" songs to record. If you are confirming Paul's death; was it a car crash or was it a breakdown of his health? Having watched AHDN a few days ago; after not seeing it for many moons, it is so obvious that something untoward occurred. The sheer on stage magnetism and charm (as well as looks) that Paul had; various replacements do not do him justice. Still so many anomalies to address: "Thankyou Paul that was just like him!" for one!
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Post by hotman637 on Jul 11, 2014 17:45:40 GMT -5
Just to make it clear, 'cos these posts are for Clare, I do not believe Lennon-McCartney needed ghost writers - they wrote their own songs, they were a genuine writing talent. That's one of the reasons Paul was so missed, because no longer would we hear new haunting ballads the likes of Michelle, Yesterday, and Eleanor Rigby. However Faul needs ghost writers because he can't write his own music or he can't write anything good. Since I've been away there's been so much muddying the waters of confusion and now saying everyone was replaced, it's getting ludicrous. Lennon-McCartney were are genuine writing talent, and then Paul died and was replaced. That's the most important thing, just focus on that. Everything else is noise. *********************************************************************************************** Lennon/McCartney did not need "ghost writers"; no, but they would not have had the TIME to write all those songs ascribed to them. They wrote many fabulous songs, but many others published by Northern Songs would have been written by others. Also, if a song was vaunted as penned by Lennon/McCartney, it would virtually guarantee a hit record for another artiste many of whom sought one of "their" songs to record. If you are confirming Paul's death; was it a car crash or was it a breakdown of his health? Having watched AHDN a few days ago; after not seeing it for many moons, it is so obvious that something untoward occurred. The sheer on stage magnetism and charm (as well as looks) that Paul had; various replacements do not do him justice. Still so many anomalies to address: "Thankyou Paul that was just like him!" for one! Yes, if there is hard evidence that Paul died, what is it? I have been reading these forums for years and just never seen any HARD evidence that Paul died. The ONLY evidence seems to be RUMOURS (in othere words Paul is dead because some one said it). There IS hard evidence ALL the Beatles were replaced (look at comparison videos and pictures). As far as the song writing goes based on the styles of pre "Faul" Beatles and post "Faul" the styles are totally different so probably different writers.
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Post by Paul Bearer on Jul 11, 2014 23:06:22 GMT -5
Many clues strewn across the albums say he is dead, and there are so many death themes too. It is depressing, not upbeat. If Paul was simply replaced, they wouldn't have been all so gloomy. It is pure speculation that they didn't have enough time to write all their songs. When someone gets inspired, they can write and write. However, as reported on the forums a few years ago, there is one possible time at least where three songs were written for the Help! album from anonymous outside sources but I don't know how reliable that information is. I also agree with the above comments about ghost writers. I don't think Lennon/McCartney had the time or the talent to write so many diverse songs. I think the likely suspects include Joe Cocker, Bacharach, Little Richard, Leon Russell, Donovan, Windwood, Elton John, Clapton, Billy Preston, Margaret Asher, George Martin,(Lord) Andrew Lloyd Webber, Jimmy Webb, Otis Redding, Stevie Wonder (and other 'pros' form Mowtown, Stax Volt and the Brill Building), Ray Davies (Your Mother Should Know), and I think Denny Laine wrote Mull of Kintyre. In general I would agree with this list but writing for Faul, not Lennon-McCartney. If the real Paul had ghost writers, what would be the great loss? Why no more Eleanor Rigby type songs? Actually, when Faul is asked why he doesn't write those sort of songs anymore, he gets quite agitated apparently.
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Post by linus on Jul 12, 2014 0:45:39 GMT -5
Eleanor Rigby is depressing and gloomy. It's about death, loneliness and detachment. Eleanor Rigby is also a one-of-a-kind song that stands apart from the rest of the Beatlemania catalogue, intense with an anxious tension. Musicologist Alan W. Pollack asks, “Where does the inspiration for something like this song come from, and whatever happened to the cute Beatle who wrote it?”
Revolver is abundant with themes of death and loneliness. For No One was even originally titled Why Did It Die?
Authors Guy Cook and Neil Mercer did a grammatical & musical analysis of all the Beatles records and found the biggest, most sudden change occurred with Revolver. They put Rubber Soul as the end of the Beatles’ early period and Revolver at the beginning of their later period.
Another thing to take into consideration is that Lennon & McCartney co-wrote many of their '63-'65 songs, putting their heads together to make the product stronger than it would've been otherwise. By '66 they were going different directions, and by '68 were writing most of their own songs exclusively. Plus, their solo records did not have the Beatles 'recipe'. There was no longer that specific group dynamic and they weren't produced by George Martin.
Of all the things that have been mentioned in this thread, one of the ones that is the most reasonable is that the Beatles wouldn't have had time to write the amount of hits they did in the short amount of time they did; while also touring, recording, making films, conducting interviews & press conferences, photo shoots, etc. To say that is pure speculation, while jumping to all the other conclusions that have been jumped to here is a double standard. It's definitely worth considering. It would also give reason for a need for extras. All of those busy schedules and no fatigue?
The most reasonable thing said here is that there is no hard evidence that anybody died. Even though there is a death theme in their work from '64 onward. After '66 it is more in earnest, albeit more subliminal.
(Also, Denny was a short, petite man, about the same height as Ringo, he also had distinctly wonky teeth. Isn't the complaint that the Paul in Kenya was tall & lanky?)
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Post by Paul Bearer on Jul 12, 2014 1:29:40 GMT -5
The change in and around 1966 might have been partly due to George Martin being absent around the 1965-1967 period. Wasn't there some falling out with him?
I would put the music style of Eleanor Rigby in the same category as For No One, Yesterday, and Your Mother Should Know. Incidentally, the latter was an incomplete work; JPM had sung a demo but only the chorus. They simply looped it and added instruments.
Paul was ill. This was the significance of Yesterday. Perhaps his illness was expressed in gloominess and cynicism in his later works. There was a shadow hanging over him, the shadow of death.
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Post by ticket2ride on Jul 12, 2014 22:41:49 GMT -5
Hallo Clare, it's wonderful that a person with your expertise is posting on these boards.
I am a recent member but some years ago I noted that Paul McCartney's nose was longer, the nostrils more pinched, and the side of his nose more indented in photos after the Sergeant Pepper album came out as well as observing the bigger build and height. The height can be explained by lifts in the shoes but there is no logical reason why Paul McCartney post Melody Maker Awards in 1966 would have his nose cosmetically altered.
The apparent moped accident with the chipped tooth on display was before the Sergeant Pepper album came out and that unusual moustachied McCartney turned up in the dark to give a few brief words before going into the studio. There was no mention of broken or bent noses as the result of that accident and no thinner, more pinched nostrils on the Paul at the awards.
I believe John Lennon's nose became more bent as the result of physical altercations as John was more of a brawler than people realised. But there is nothing to explain the different nose on Paul McCartney post Melody Maker awards.
Looking at many photos taken in the period before and after the White album was completed, it is clear that Paul McCartney hasn't just put on weight - his build has altered. This Paul is a bigger man full stop. The original Paul was slight and would have looked different with a weight increase.
Last year in Japan I bought a fan magazine from the Penny Lane period for Japanese fans and it had stills of the Penny Lane video shoot. However, the majority of the photos were of the pre Penny Lane/Strawberry Fields Beatles. I was struck by how different the Paul MCartney on the horse still was by contrast with the usual Paul photos in the mag. Had I not known that was from the Penny Lane shoot, I might have thought it was an extra with dark Paul-like hair who was riding on the horse.
I look forward to more of your posts.
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Post by eddy on Jul 13, 2014 14:28:06 GMT -5
To clarify my opinion on ghost writers, I believe Lennon/McCartney wrote some songs, but external writers were also used. Sometimes songs were tweaked, polished, augmented, or co-written by ghosts. Original or ghost compositions should be discussed on a song by song basis.
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Post by cherilyn7 on Jul 13, 2014 16:28:02 GMT -5
Hallo Clare, it's wonderful that a person with your expertise is posting on these boards.
I am a recent member but some years ago I noted that Paul McCartney's nose was longer, the nostrils more pinched, and the side of his nose more indented in photos after the Sergeant Pepper album came out as well as observing the bigger build and height. The height can be explained by lifts in the shoes but there is no logical reason why Paul McCartney post Melody Maker Awards in 1966 would have his nose cosmetically altered.
The apparent moped accident with the chipped tooth on display was before the Sergeant Pepper album came out and that unusual moustachied McCartney turned up in the dark to give a few brief words before going into the studio. There was no mention of broken or bent noses as the result of that accident and no thinner, more pinched nostrils on the Paul at the awards.
I believe John Lennon's nose became more bent as the result of physical altercations as John was more of a brawler than people realised. But there is nothing to explain the different nose on Paul McCartney post Melody Maker awards.
Looking at many photos taken in the period before and after the White album was completed, it is clear that Paul McCartney hasn't just put on weight - his build has altered. This Paul is a bigger man full stop. The original Paul was slight and would have looked different with a weight increase.
Last year in Japan I bought a fan magazine from the Penny Lane period for Japanese fans and it had stills of the Penny Lane video shoot. However, the majority of the photos were of the pre Penny Lane/Strawberry Fields Beatles. I was struck by how different the Paul MCartney on the horse still was by contrast with the usual Paul photos in the mag. Had I not known that was from the Penny Lane shoot, I might have thought it was an extra with dark Paul-like hair who was riding on the horse. ************************************************************************************* I'm not sure of Clare's (so called) expertise? Whatever, welcome. It is strange that we did not see Paul riding a horse before this time, though later on we see him as a rather accomplished horseman (along with Linda who came from a wealthy family, which Paul certainly did not and learned to ride as a child). Re rhinoplasty, you cannot lengthen the end of a nose with this cosmetic procedure and Paul did not need a rhinoplasty in any case. As for the chipped tooth and swollen lip purportedly the result of a moped accident. I cannot see Paul (or anyone for that matter) riding round Liverpool on Boxing Day 1965 on a moped (motorised cycle, very basic form of transport) on icy roads during the festive season. The photos look more like someone who has been beat up. As for the "Strawberry Fields" promo film (not called videos back then) the film was speeded up to show them walking fast to disguise the difference in the walk of the individuals who certainly resemble imposters. "If you had not known it was Paul", you state, you would have thought it was an extra in "Penny Lane": go for the simplest explanation. As for "shoe lifts": Paul was 5'11" and a person of that height does not need shoe lifts. Faul was 6'2" and clearly looks bigger and broader than Paul in the "mad day out" photo session in 1968 wearing a pink suit (too small for him) and the others look like imposters too. John's nose did not change shape due to breaking it "in a fight" that is how people try to explain how it changed shape within a period of months in 1966/67. There was no break and the nose became longer, more "beaky" and pinched (not bent). This does not happen from a break or a rhinoplasty. Look how the onstage stance changed too.. See the "Hello, Goodbye" promo film to illustrate this when brightly coloured clothes were used to distract from the fact these were different people and the "fooling about" that tried to mirror John's comedic side and was done also in MMT in conjuntion with the Bonzo Dog Doo Dah Band. Paul, with John, wrote some beautiful songs but I cannot reconcile this composing style with such tunes, almost as a parody, as "I Love Linda" (we are not interested), "Mary Had a Little Lamb" and the croaking frog song. It has been suggested elsewhere on this forum that Elton John wrote "The Long and Winding Road" and that Denny Laine wrote (most of) "Mull of Kintyre". I cannot see that Paul would have a woman in his group (or band) who could not sing, play a musical instrument or even added much visually and seemed to be devoid of a personality. This all shows that it was not Paul (or one of the Pauls, if you have done your homework) but the replacment/imposter, Bill/Faul. I feel this individual, or the first one at least (not counting Denny Laine) was working as a session musician/composer whose speciality was drums and piano; hence Paul suddenly started being seen playing piano much of the time on stage and was photographed in the recording studio sitting at the drum kit, thus making Ringo (Rongo) redundant. He obviously knew George Martin as he suddenly started "composing film theme soundtracks", something Paul himself never did (he stuck to what he did best, playing left hand bass guitar and singing in a velvety, deep, mellifluous tone. Let's hear Faul singing "A Taste of Honey" or "And I Love Her". If you want to see the difference in the originals and later watch "A Hard Day's Night" as I did last week and the on stage presence is magnetic even now after fifty years. Paul had, as well as a beautiful singing voice, CHARM and PERSONALITY.
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Post by linus on Jul 13, 2014 17:12:25 GMT -5
McCartney has been paying piano on stage and in the studio since his teen years. We even see him playing piano in AHDN and Help. He didn't play piano during live concerts during the Beatlemania years, because the compositions didn't call for it. Not pictured is the scene during You’re Going To Lose That Girl where it cuts to Paul suddenly playing piano when he was previously playing bass. Also in Help! we see Paul riding a horse. And on this album cover. More gun toting, too, as per usual. We also see photos of Paul on drums before 1967 Again, Denny Laine was a short, petite man. He appears to be between 5’5” and 5’7”. Not 5’11” or 6’2” Also note that he has attached earlobes and flat eyebrows. Speaking of 6’2”, it would be nice if evidence could be supplied that there was a 6’2” Paul. It would also be nice to have evidence that Paul was ill, and wrote Yesterday due to the illness. And that Your Mother Should Know was written & demoed before 1967. The only time George Martin was not around to produce Beatles records, that I know of, was during the Let It Be era. But they asked him back for Abbey Road. Martin was very much present on their albums other than LIB, and part of the White Album from what I understand. Also, if one is attributing their consistency to George Martin, who is to say they didn't have ghost writers? The Paul in AHDN has detached earlobes, and during the concert footage he has a large pock-mark on his left jaw that is not seen any other time. no pock-mark. Also, during the outro to the Strawberry Fields Forever promo film, they are walking at normal speed. vimeo.com/11042052This is a psychedelic video, hence the sped-up and backwards footage. Besides, why would they speed up the walking to disguise the impostor, but have multiple close-ups of his face? And what of all the other times he's not sped up? Penny Lane promo, MMT film, etc.
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