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Post by thatisgroovyman on Mar 21, 2016 16:25:31 GMT -5
If all this jive about those Kray Twins is true, then it is quite easy to say that the Kray's had a hand in the kidnapping of Paul in Seattle, 1966.
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Post by thatisgroovyman on Mar 21, 2016 16:41:35 GMT -5
A replacement already occured in pre 66: Paul? Late 68: Paul? 1965/66 64 Paul vs 68 Paul:
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Post by chica on Mar 22, 2016 12:16:54 GMT -5
Hey Sniffer, It seems very odd to me that the Beatles would go to so much trouble to put PID clues in their albumns because of the death of a double. Give a listen to the acceptance speech at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 1988. George says it is unfortunate that Paul couldn't be there and says that what is on the stage is all that's left of the Beatles and then he says we "loved John" and "we loved" not "love" Paul.
rockhall.com/inductees/the-beatles/video/2440/
The Krays also had connections to Tara Brown and a lot of Beatle songs may of had connections with underworld activities. "Taxman", "Maxwell's Silver Hammer" come to mind. The "Who" also had a gay manager and of course Freddie Mercury of Queen. So the whole rock and roll business was really a Nazi Gay Brothel run by the mafia! Paul would not go along and that is why he was kidnapped/murdered! The plot thickens! idynamo.wordpress.com/tag/kray-twins/Hey hotman637, Nice to meet you. In your link to the Krays the picture says it is Tara Browne. The plot really does thicken since he looks a lot like Keith Allison who at one time was a member of Paul Revere and the Raiders. When you follow the link I provided, scroll down and click on photos and the last picture is obviously the one in the Kray twins article you provided. waddywachtelinfo.com/keithallison.htmlAlso Wikipedia claims this is Tara Browne: Wikipedia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tara_BrowneI pretty much view music as art work in the sense that you can look at pastoral scene and there is no doubt about what it is (easy peezy). Then you have work by Picasso and Salvidor Dali, and the majority of the Beatles music falls in the later class. This is what someone said about "Maxwells Silver Hammer": "This song was most likely inspired by the tragic incident involving talented playwright Joe Orton and his lover companion Kenneth Halliwell (Maxwell is a word play on Haliwell). Halliwell bludgeoned 34 year old Joe Orton to death with a hammer to his head (9 blows) on August 1967. Haliwell then took an overdose of 22 Nebutal and committed suicide. Joe Orton and Haliwell were known to play the fools and had been arrested fined L262 and jailed for 6 months for damaging Library books. They would return library books with new sleeve covers and new blurbs. Orton felt that the punishment was excessive due to them being queers. Joe Orton later started having success with his plays (dark satirical comedies). Joe Orton was in touch with the Beatles and was writing a play (Up Against It) for them. He was supposed to meet with them or their representitives the day they found him murdered. A chaufeur that had been sent to take him to the meeting discovered the bodies. Halliwell had been depressed and was seeing a psychiatrist. Joe Orton had found a new boyfriend and was planning to break up with the already stressed out depressed and troubled Halliwell. The play Up Against It was eventually produced in 1989 with music by Tod Rundgren. Paul Mcartney (Faul) took the incident changed the players and some circumstances somewhat but kept the tragic situation the same and put it to rhyme and reason.................... " IMHO, Taxman could very much have to do with the fact that the Beatles were making so much money that the British government was taxing them out the kazoo! That's why a lot of British musicians have taken residence outside of GB. Let me know what you think. Chica
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Post by chica on Mar 22, 2016 12:18:29 GMT -5
If all this jive about those Kray Twins is true, then it is quite easy to say that the Kray's had a hand in the kidnapping of Paul in Seattle, 1966. It wouldn't be outlandish to think that since I have seen pictures of the Krays with Sinatra and Judy Garland, so they very well could have had contacts in the US.
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Post by chica on Mar 22, 2016 13:12:08 GMT -5
A replacement already occured in pre 66: Paul? Late 68: Paul? 1965/66 64 Paul vs 68 Paul: This is a clear attempt at picture manipulation. This is not the same person! Look at the difference in the nose.
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Post by thatisgroovyman on Mar 22, 2016 15:32:02 GMT -5
A replacement already occured in pre 66: Paul? Late 68: Paul? 1965/66 64 Paul vs 68 Paul: This is a clear attempt at picture manipulation. This is not the same person! Look at the difference in the nose. Yes indeed, 'those two' folks ARE different people. I'm just saying that The Beatles had a double for Paul since '64. If so, I'd like to suggest Paul's accident happened in September-November (1965, not 66) since most of The Beatles material after September-November 1965 greatly contrasted from their earlier musical works. Two P.I.D. references are quite evident in Rubber Soul: 'Drive My Car' is a 'Paul' song... Paul's demise is linked to a car accident. I'm Looking Through You reads: 'I'm looking through you, you're not the same!' suggesting a body double hired as stand-in for Paul. In the two major 1966 albums The Beatles released, 'Revolver' and 'Yesterday and Today', The Beatles fill them with numerous 'P.I.D.' references. Paul is the only Beatles that doesn't have his two eyes showing. A revolver is a weapon, that injures. Taxman reads: 'Now my advice for those who die, declare the pennies on your eyes!' Tomorrow Never Knows was the first song written for Revolver, and it was loosely inspired by 'The Tibetan Book of The Dead.' Rain reads 'When the rain comes, the run and hide their heads, they might as well be dead.' Paul was thought to have succumbed to head injuries during his demise. 'Paul' wrote 'I was alone, I took a ride, I didn't know what I would find there.' Paul's death/replacement is contributed to a car crash. During early 1966, The Beatles were shooting an album cover for their album 'Yesterday and Today.' John said his original idea was to 'decapitate Paul.' 'Eleanor Rigby' is about a funeral procession. Fake Scenario- March 1966- The clues post-September-November 1965 suggests Paul succumbed severe injuries through a series of unfortunate events and passed away, and that the 'Paul' during the post-Help album phase was a temporary stand-in that was already being used in '64 to fill in for rigorous touring schedules. All Beatles doppelgängers where hired by the English royalty. It was a contract. John also hinted that the 'only thing 'Faul' did was 'Yesterday.' (as foretold in 'How Do You Sleep?'), suggesting Faul was making his moves as early as 'Yesterday.' Faul wrote all of his songs on Rubber Soul and Revolver, and possibly even sung them, but was not able to play bass a few times, hence why George had to play bass on 'She Said She Said.' Bill Shepherd, a local session man, handled some of 'Faul's' challenging vocal parts. So what happened in Fall 1966? The Beatles REALLY did want to stop touring, and were paranoid over their own lives, since they didn't want to end up like Paul. This caused a pregnant pause in the career of The Beatles where they reevaluated the value and downfall of fame. They all wanted out, but since they were under a contract by 'Her Majesty', they kept on with the show.
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Post by thatisgroovyman on Mar 22, 2016 15:41:35 GMT -5
Check this picture out:
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Post by chica on Mar 22, 2016 16:15:07 GMT -5
WHOA! Look at that chin! You could scoop ice cream out of a container with it! ROTFL
Hence maybe the words "You've been a naughty boy you let your face grow long?"
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Post by chica on Mar 22, 2016 16:23:04 GMT -5
If all this jive about those Kray Twins is true, then it is quite easy to say that the Kray's had a hand in the kidnapping of Paul in Seattle, 1966. It wouldn't be outlandish to think that since I have seen pictures of the Krays with Sinatra and Judy Garland, so they very well could have had contacts in the US. I found the pic of the Krays with Judy Garland, but whoever put the pics on the net was mistaken about the one being Frank Sinatra, it was the actor George Raft who played gangsters in the 40's and 50's. There is also one with the boxer Joe Louis (the Krays boxed when they were young). www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/9-things-you-never-knew-6357210www.mirror.co.uk/news/real-life-stories/gangster-twins-ronnie-reggie-kray-6354591
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Post by chica on Mar 22, 2016 16:38:50 GMT -5
It's unfortunate that they put the writing over the bottom of the face, look at this. Click on it and open it up.
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Post by chica on Mar 22, 2016 19:48:13 GMT -5
www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/9-things-you-never-knew-63572104) In 2000 when Reggie died those sending wreaths included Barbara Windsor, Who singer Roger Daltry and pop star Morrissey. There was also a wreath believed to be from the American Mafia - next to a photo of Manhattan was the message: "In deep respect, from your friends in New York." 6) In 1985, officials at Broadmoor Hospital discovered a business card of Ronnie's, which prompted an investigation. It revealed the twins – incarcerated at separate institutions – plus their older brother Charlie Kray and an accomplice were operating a "lucrative bodyguard and 'protection' business for Hollywood stars" called Krayleigh Enterprises. Documentation of the investigation showed that Frank Sinatra hired 18 bodyguards from Krayleigh Enterprises during 1985. It is an established fact that Epstein knew the Krays, could he have used them as bodyguard's for the Beatles? That would have given them access to them and they would have surely gotten help from the Mafia in the US when the Beatles were in Seattle.
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Post by thatisgroovyman on Mar 23, 2016 14:39:50 GMT -5
Guys, dig! Here are 3 P.I.D. related theories I came up with which I have backed up:
1. Paul McCartney legitimately died during the months of August-December 1965. Read more about my previous posts about the P.I.D. clues post-HELP!
2. Paul was replaced during August-December 1965, but didn't die. Faul backs this up by saying that 'I'm not dead, just a good replica.' He (Paul) ain't dead, folks. He was just backed up by a good replica.
3. Paul was kidnapped by the Krayleigh twins' bodyguards while they were serving the Beatles in Seattle 1966. Paul was then murdered around this time.
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Post by chica on Mar 24, 2016 11:19:56 GMT -5
Guys, dig! Here are 3 P.I.D. related theories I came up with which I have backed up: 1. Paul McCartney legitimately died during the months of August-December 1965. Read more about my previous posts about the P.I.D. clues post-HELP! 2. Paul was replaced during August-December 1965, but didn't die. Faul backs this up by saying that 'I'm not dead, just a good replica.' He (Paul) ain't dead, folks. He was just backed up by a good replica. 3. Paul was kidnapped by the Krayleigh twins' bodyguards while they were serving the Beatles in Seattle 1966. Paul was then murdered around this time. Wasn't there a comic book or something to that effect that showed George Harrison dressed like a gangster pointing a pistol?
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Post by thatisgroovyman on Mar 24, 2016 21:13:56 GMT -5
Alrightey, so the Krayleigh folks were behind this, that's for sure. In August 1965, The Beatles were in Los Angeles tripping on LSD with the Byrds, but Paul wasn't there. In September, they returned to England... Were the Krays in England or America around this time? If they were in America, that might explain why Paul wasn't there to visit with them... if not, then likely Paul was kidnapped in September in England by the Krayleighs for ransom, and it possibly involved a car.
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Post by thatisgroovyman on Mar 24, 2016 21:15:08 GMT -5
There was also The Beatles weekly cartoon which depicted Paul being in a car chase with a gangster, but Paul drove off a pier and landed into the ocean. NOW I'm definitely certain it involved the Krayleighs.
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Post by beatlas231 on Mar 24, 2016 23:53:06 GMT -5
There was also The Beatles weekly cartoon which depicted Paul being in a car chase with a gangster, but Paul drove off a pier and landed into the ocean. NOW I'm definitely certain it involved the Krayleighs. Whyman Whyman ? Don't play like you don't know, youre the one that told me No -- I can't hide because I'm floating down on a hand glide. I shouldn't risk Fauling or I might lose all my pride. All I have to do is believe, and I'll be soaring like my own theme ride. This isn't a rap to spit some or school you, it's all hand written. Just because a person changes names and morphs their own identity to coverup, doesn't make you that 9 Live Kitten Yeah, where's Kanye at now for this one lol
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Post by chica on Mar 25, 2016 8:44:04 GMT -5
There was also The Beatles weekly cartoon which depicted Paul being in a car chase with a gangster, but Paul drove off a pier and landed into the ocean. NOW I'm definitely certain it involved the Krayleighs. If it was the Kray twins they could have gotten their inspiration from the Dec. 8, 1963 kidnapping of Frank Sinatra's son in Lake Tahoe.
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Post by thatisgroovyman on Mar 25, 2016 10:30:57 GMT -5
There was also The Beatles weekly cartoon which depicted Paul being in a car chase with a gangster, but Paul drove off a pier and landed into the ocean. NOW I'm definitely certain it involved the Krayleighs. If it was the Kray twins they could have gotten their inspiration from the Dec. 8, 1963 kidnapping of Frank Sinatra's son in Lake Tahoe. December 8th.... Hmmm...
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Post by chica on Mar 25, 2016 11:41:45 GMT -5
If it was the Kray twins they could have gotten their inspiration from the Dec. 8, 1963 kidnapping of Frank Sinatra's son in Lake Tahoe. December 8th.... Hmmm... What's with December 8th.... Hmmm...
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Post by beatlas231 on Mar 25, 2016 11:50:31 GMT -5
What's with December 8th.... Hmmm... ....
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Post by thatisgroovyman on Mar 25, 2016 11:56:46 GMT -5
Mr. Lennon unfortunately passed away on December 8th as you all might now.
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Post by chica on Mar 25, 2016 13:28:17 GMT -5
Mr. Lennon unfortunately passed away on December 8th as you all might now. Get this. The picture I sent in. The one on the left is from an albumn cover entitled: The Beatles/1962-1966 And the picture on the right is from an albumn cover entitled: The Beatles/ 1967-1970 Someone would have to be hit in the head with a baseball bat not to pick up on the meaning behind the comparison!
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Post by thatisgroovyman on Mar 26, 2016 9:55:09 GMT -5
To me, Paul 'died' in late '65. The 'that was just like him' line, the clues starting from Rubber Soul (the title alluding to plastic surgery), the line in How Do You Sleep? ("the only thing you did was Yesterday,"), etc. etc.
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Post by Paul Bearer on Mar 26, 2016 11:00:26 GMT -5
Sorry, I think the timeline in the OP is almost completely wrong. September 11th is definitely the date of his death.
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Post by thatisgroovyman on Mar 26, 2016 23:48:53 GMT -5
Sorry, I think the timeline in the OP is almost completely wrong. September 11th is definitely the date of his death. September 11th, 1965?
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