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Post by mommybird on Apr 25, 2008 19:10:08 GMT -5
It seems that I'm a late comer to this conversation. I have to agree 100% with Jarvitronics. Blackbird, you are most definitely NOT shallow. You are one of the deepest people that I know. As is Jude... I totally get the point that Jude was making by decontructing his video.
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Post by mommybird on Apr 25, 2008 19:21:09 GMT -5
About a month ago, you had a member who knows how to pull apart videos. Sbe broke down a few of iamaphony's videos frame by frame. She tried to share it & it just didn't work out. Too bad, because I really think that she had alot to contribute here.
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Post by skyward on Apr 25, 2008 19:24:51 GMT -5
Did you read my last two posts (Replies #176 and #178)? Take my word for it, it's a style choice. Six months of working on PID videos in my spare time has made me wise to many of IAAP's tricks. Often times "revelation" takes a back seat to presentation. There is such a huge emotional investment in the Rotten Apple series, and why? Because he has scared the shit out of us, and caused us to take the time pause frequently and examine the images that he throws at us left and right. And we keep coming back for more. Every time someone posts an image they found hidden in a Rotten Apple video, everytime there's a "A-HA!" moment, this series becomes more and more dear to it's fans. As an entertainer, Iamaphoney has us right in the palms of his hand, and it's in no small part due to the fast paced video editing style he has employed since RA 40. Think! Do you think Iamaphoney really thinks he can hypnotise anyone with subliminal imagery? For images to be considered remotely subliminal they have to appear at a much faster rate than IAAP is making them appear in his videos. The question was "Why do you continually employ fast, subliminal imagery in your videos?", and it's a waste of question in my honest opinion. Because the answer is going to be, more or less, "Because it looks cool, and it grabs your attention". Yes, I read your replies, and I also presented the answer in a post prior to yours, saying it was probably a cosmetic or style choice. I think the thrust of the question might have needed tweaking, I agree, but I also think the aim of the query is also valid. I also agree that your summation would present a valid response, one that would be likely echoed by IAAP. Or to put it another way, I don't think we'll hear a reply saying that the aim is to "pepper" the audience's subconscious with certain imagery even if that is the case. I don't think that people who wonder if that might be the case are to be scoffed at, though, as it could be possible. In some cases, the rapid-fire imagery can be prolonged and not just an isolated case of 2 or 3 frames. --- edited to add ---- Another question that might be a "throw-away" is the one 65if2007 wants answered. It is a good question, but do we think that IAAP is going to reveal the identity of the person who, supposedly, made that remark? The problem with the questioning is that we don't know how IAAP is going to answer them all. They could all be throw away.
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Post by jarvitronics on Apr 25, 2008 19:51:44 GMT -5
Do you think Iamaphoney really thinks he can hypnotise anyone with subliminal imagery? That is exactly what he has done. Mass hypnosis is the hallmark of any skilled entertainer. The specific images he flashes don't make much difference in the act of hypnosis. He could pick images at random, really, and achieve the same effect. -j
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Post by jarvitronics on Apr 25, 2008 19:57:26 GMT -5
<snip> do we think that IAAP is going to reveal the identity of the person who, supposedly, made that remark? Of course not. That would break the spell. -j
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Post by openmind on Apr 25, 2008 23:08:55 GMT -5
I have watched every one of the iamaphoney videos- they are really entertaining i admit and string us all along over and over jumping from one thing to another hinting at some sort of secret knowledge. But after all the promises of new startling revelations and nothing ever being delivered- I have come to the conclusion I as well as many of you are just being played for suckers to feed a film makers ego. The Series was great to watch due to the style it is presented and i would and will keep watching just for the entertainment factor. After all these videos I watched and thoroughly enjoyed I can honestly say I have not learned one new thing that i did not already know. Now this FIREMAN business and CODE deal and many other insinuations is all good and fine but in the end is meaningless still and has led to nothing. We all watch and rewatch looking for his connections which is good fun but in the end I conclude he is just having some fun with his legion of followers . I'll be the first to say I am not big on making posts here but I do stop by and try to keep up on whats going on here but sadly - and this is just my opinion- this forum has really lost direction since these videos have been the main focus- for going on almost a year now.
This is just how I see it - I just wanted to vent my feelings on this whole deal. Bash away if you must, with the knowledge i will read it but don't hold your breath for a response as I did not post in order to enter a flame war.
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Post by skyward on Apr 25, 2008 23:46:35 GMT -5
I have watched every one of the iamaphoney videos- they are really entertaining i admit and string us all along over and over jumping from one thing to another hinting at some sort of secret knowledge. But after all the promises of new startling revelations and nothing ever being delivered- I have come to the conclusion I as well as many of you are just being played for suckers to feed a film makers ego. The Series was great to watch due to the style it is presented and i would and will keep watching just for the entertainment factor. After all these videos I watched and thoroughly enjoyed I can honestly say I have not learned one new thing that i did not already know. Now this FIREMAN business and CODE deal and many other insinuations is all good and fine but in the end is meaningless still and has led to nothing. We all watch and rewatch looking for his connections which is good fun but in the end I conclude he is just having some fun with his legion of followers . I'll be the first to say I am not big on making posts here but I do stop by and try to keep up on whats going on here but sadly - and this is just my opinion- this forum has really lost direction since these videos have been the main focus- for going on almost a year now. This is just how I see it - I just wanted to vent my feelings on this whole deal. Bash away if you must, with the knowledge i will read it but don't hold your breath for a response as I did not post in order to enter a flame war. OpenMind, you can take the initiative and start topics that are of interest to you... if you don't like what's been being tossed around of late. The thing is, most of the peripheral investigating has been pretty thorough and complete. Picture analysis and fades are a prime example where one might begin to see differences between 'Presented Pauls'. If you watch the video below, you can see where people have uncovered a variety of look-alikes. Who knows, maybe some doubles were stand-ins for photoshoots. Doble (Double) We have people who have found curious messages in Beatles recordings or solo career recordings; hidden or reversed. Maybe there are more to be found... We have seen some anagrams. Now, are we looking at just 4 lads from Liverpool or is there something else associated with the Beatles. Well, I think, lately, we're looking at videos that suggest that there was much more to these 4 lads. We have Crowley, Anubis, Egypt, Pharaohs, McCartney Eye, Astrology, Secret Societies, Manson, Serial Killers, Aries, Ares, Mars... etc. Is that the reason you feel like venting? Are those connections not worth examining, in your opinion?
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Post by steveo204 on Apr 26, 2008 1:27:44 GMT -5
I think this picture of crowley helps a bit better, especially when compared with the 3rd picture from the Michael Jackson record.
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Post by steveo204 on Apr 26, 2008 1:48:30 GMT -5
Helps as in how? + or - ? IT LOOKS NOTHING ALIKE!!! nothing alike? all caps? really?
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Post by steveo204 on Apr 26, 2008 2:03:42 GMT -5
Capitol letters as opposed to your grammar ****ism. Have fun ? I only thought that the picture I posted was closer than your picture of crowley (weight, hair, age), that's all.
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Post by steveo204 on Apr 26, 2008 2:06:55 GMT -5
I don't think it's that much of a stretch, really.
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Post by Jude on Apr 26, 2008 3:48:20 GMT -5
After all these videos I watched and thoroughly enjoyed I can honestly say I have not learned one new thing that i did not already know. Then you haven't been really been paying attention, have you? How is it that Tafultong manages to write a blog ( iamaphoney.blogspot.com) where he near-consistently gleans insight from iamaphoney's videos, if indeed there is no meaning, nothing to learn from them at all? Socash, there's no nice way of putting this: that is the silliest thing I've heard all day. Where were you on the countless occasions that people like skyward and Tafultong posted frames from the videos and we all analyzed them? Since when are ANY of the frames "meaningless"? I dare say tafultong has wasted many a hour of his life then, updating a blog that primarily focuses on "meaningless garbage". But I digress. Suppose you were right (and you aren't), and it was ALL meaningless? Then how are these shady investors making a profit? Hmm? Who are his investors that they could make a profit from the frames of meaningless garbage? Well let's see, if meaningless garbage = free advertising for shady investors, then shady investors = Jesus Christ, The FEAR issue of the Process Church's defunct monthly newsletter, that Black Madonna statue hanging in Liverpool (you know, the creepy one that always appears in Rotten Apple videos), the CODE logo, the LOVE logo, Ra, Aleister Crowley, etc... There aren't any greedy investors rolling in cold, hard cash simply because Iamaphoney snuck a few so-called "meaningless frames of garbage" into his videos. Do you know what you're talking about, or have we come to the point where bad mouthing Iamaphoney is the trend, and it no longer matters whether or not what we say about him makes sense? If if I have you pegged wrong, please tell me socash, but as it stands now I have not an inkling of what you're talking about.
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Post by il ras on Apr 26, 2008 4:15:15 GMT -5
Then you haven't been really been paying attention, have you? How is it that Tafultong manages to write a blog ( iamaphoney.blogspot.com) where he near-consistently gleans insight from iamaphoney's videos, if indeed there is no meaning, nothing to learn from them at all? I've just taken a look at Talfutong's blog. Can you please tell me which of the things in it have some significance?
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Post by Jude on Apr 26, 2008 5:42:29 GMT -5
What.......just.......happened?
One minute I'm strongly, but tactfully disagreeing with you, and the next you're calling me a douchebag and recalling events of weeks past as if you were in any place to psychoanalyse me. I use too many words for you to handle, and OH.....I'm childish.
Well then, that's all very nice. Let's get back to discussing Iamaphoney, shall we? You can pretend none of this ever happened, delete all your comments, and threaten to leave the board just like last time you deciced to show your ugly, trollish side! Oh, but I forgot----I called what you said "retarded". I then proceeded to explain why, which caused you to be upset (I use too many words, apparently), so now I'M the troll---excuse me, I mean douchebag. Yes, douchebag. And I'm the childish one? It seems you can't even settle a disagreement with me without waging all-out war on my character, resorting to potty-mouth naming calling and armchair psychoanalysis:
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Post by Jude on Apr 26, 2008 5:50:18 GMT -5
You don't know who I am or where I've been. So let's not make assumptions, shall we? I'm someone who knew Linda McCartney. Now, you can take that or leave it, but please....don't go making bold claims about someone you know nothing about. That is my response. Your response, no matter how immature, hateful, and pathological it will be you will not be successful troll. You'll just be a bitter little fat kid. Here's hateful, pathological, and immature for you: I've been a member here nearly a year, and you not even a whole month. If I were you I'd let the people who have read my posts since June of 2007 decide for themselves what they really think of me instead of trying to speak for them.
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Post by MikeNL on Apr 26, 2008 6:04:23 GMT -5
Like JoJo said, we have to stop this, do this in your own private time but not publicly! and not in my topics, please. thank you Sheep Milting. Mirror !
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Post by mindgames on Apr 26, 2008 9:09:22 GMT -5
I concur!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If your mad that an April fools joke got you, wait til you find the truth about IAMAPHONEY. I have watched every one of the iamaphoney videos- they are really entertaining i admit and string us all along over and over jumping from one thing to another hinting at some sort of secret knowledge. But after all the promises of new startling revelations and nothing ever being delivered- I have come to the conclusion I as well as many of you are just being played for suckers to feed a film makers ego. The Series was great to watch due to the style it is presented and i would and will keep watching just for the entertainment factor. After all these videos I watched and thoroughly enjoyed I can honestly say I have not learned one new thing that i did not already know. Now this FIREMAN business and CODE deal and many other insinuations is all good and fine but in the end is meaningless still and has led to nothing. We all watch and rewatch looking for his connections which is good fun but in the end I conclude he is just having some fun with his legion of followers . I'll be the first to say I am not big on making posts here but I do stop by and try to keep up on whats going on here but sadly - and this is just my opinion- this forum has really lost direction since these videos have been the main focus- for going on almost a year now. This is just how I see it - I just wanted to vent my feelings on this whole deal. Bash away if you must, with the knowledge i will read it but don't hold your breath for a response as I did not post in order to enter a flame war.
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Post by JoJo on Apr 26, 2008 9:27:45 GMT -5
Like JoJo said, we have to stop this, do this in your own private time but not publicly! and not in my topics, please. thank you Mike is 100% correct. This section is for the benefit of the Rotten Apple fans, and so how are they being served by this bickering?
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Post by skyward on Apr 26, 2008 9:34:23 GMT -5
I concur!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If your mad that an April fools joke got you, wait til you find the truth about IAMAPHONEY. What is this truth about IAAP? On the one hand, we have people, like myself, who are willing to sit back and watch the ongoing series without prejudice. We do see questionable content at times, but there is plenty there to pique our curiosity. As of late, surrounding the briefcase affair, we see strange videos and circumstances. The home made 'horror movie' WTF video, the absent interview. The backlash against IAAP has been around from the start, and now it seems to be gaining momentum. I suppose some of it is born of frustration, the slow, inch-by-inch pacing, or the 'one step forward two steps back' mode that aggravates the instant gratification crowd, you see that reaction at the YTube page. I think you need to view all of the various YTube accounts, aIIofthemwitches, YouKnowMyName231, IAAP, and the others within the same broad scope to, at least, try to come to a better appreciation of the topics being presented. Let's face it, packaging videos is only a recent practice because of the availability of YT. And I have to agree with Jude, so far there have been no profit-seeking ventures from IAAP, we have heard that there would be a movie or an album, but we haven't seen any. Who is funding this venture? So far, I have read Heather Mills and Geoffrey Guiliano.
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Post by mindgames on Apr 26, 2008 9:40:31 GMT -5
Youtube sucks as far as watching videos, I spend more time watching the video load than watching the videos, I got to RA 20 and just gave up. If RA has a message I seriously question the way RA goes about getting it out. I'd prefer a complete 2hr plus DVD or something which can be done cheaply and distributed in numerous ways, I wouldn't even mind him making a profit to get this done as long as it is to distribute it to the public for free, if it is the truth he is trying to sell. I think his style is typical of PID in general a whole lot of theory with very little fact that meets up with road blocks which equals dead ends. Anybody interested in PID will 1st find The King Is Naked Page that still has a pic of Niel Aspinall and Faul and a version of the car crash story that they will find has been turned into a plane crash story by the same folks ect,. It is entertainment at this point. I wish I had the time to look at all the PID related YOUtube clips but I don't. The way he has done this RA message has made the messenger more important than the message and its kinda scary to see him build up such a cult following, based on what? Mystery? Just admit it is all a scam and your in on it. Is this rotten apple stuff sombodies lavish revenge plot over the split that happened in PID? Is Sunking Iamphoney? With RA, someone could single handedly build up legitimacy while messing with many minds. And all the loyal lap dogs can come here and sculpt it up, while secrectly laughing at the game being played? Maybe some of these IAAP followers are all one person with several user accounts. Did you not see the Don Knotts subliminals? mindgames, what do you think about YouKnowMyName231's series of videos? ----- To the forum, chalk me up as one who doesn't think that iameye and horseloverphat's proposed question is stupid. I understand where they're coming from and perhaps the question needs work, it is more a probing type of question. There really is no way someone can catch all the rapid-fire frames while watching under normal conditions, so why do it? Are they intentionally going for the subliminal, targeting the subconscious, or is it just a matter of cosmetic style. And it does elicit frustration from some in the YouTube peanut gallery. Didn't we just have someone post a backwards message from Memory Almost Full, JoJo posted it, right? That video was presented in a way that was more straightforward and not as confusing as IAAP can be. I think that is what some people would prefer from IAAP, but I understand that it just might be a style choice. People who like to bash IAAP, go check out YouKnowMyName's video series and report back on what you think. That series is just as interesting yet it has far fewer viewers.
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Post by mindgames on Apr 26, 2008 9:45:44 GMT -5
That is the problem, we don't know the truth about him because he hides the truth from us. I concur!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If your mad that an April fools joke got you, wait til you find the truth about IAMAPHONEY. What is this truth about IAAP? "
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Post by skyward on Apr 26, 2008 9:49:27 GMT -5
Youtube sucks as far as watching videos, I spend more time watching the video load than watching the videos, I got to RA 20 and just gave up. If RA has a message I seriously question the way RA goes about getting it out. I'd prefer a complete 2hr plus DVD or something which can be done cheaply and distributed in numerous ways, I wouldn't even mind him making a profit to get this done as long as it is to distribute it to the public for free, if it is the truth he is trying to sell. I think his style is typical of PID in general a whole lot of theory with very little fact that meets up with road blocks which equals dead ends. Anybody interested in PID will 1st find The King Is Naked Page that still has a pic of Niel Aspinall and Faul and a version of the car crash story that they will find has been turned into a plane crash story by the same folks ect,. It is entertainment at this point. I wish I had the time to look at all the PID related YOUtube clips but I don't. The way he has done this RA message has made the messenger more important than the message and its kinda scary to see him build up such a cult following, based on what? Mystery? Too many people are quick to toss out that jab, that anyone who is interested in the IAAP videos is a member of a cult following. I disagree, it's so easy to broadly smear a group of sensible individuals who are taking the time and trying to make sense and scrutinize the videos. Who would you label a cult member, here? And I don't see how you can lash out so strongly against something that you know little about? "If your mad that an April fools joke got you, wait til you find the truth about IAMAPHONEY"-mindgames You say this with such conviction; that we are all following a huckster and scam artist.
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Post by mindgames on Apr 26, 2008 10:11:27 GMT -5
Just because I don't have the patience to wait for all the vids to load doesn't mean I know nothing/little about it, I have read all the messages written here for a year now. So unless what is written here has nothing to do with what is on the other videos that I have not seen, then your statement is in error.
I am not referring to PID as a cult I am specificly referring to those that proclaim Holy Faith in IAMAPHONEY the "just wait he'll come through" camp, it is faith based on what, I ask you? Why rely on this mystery person to present you the gospel of pid? He needs to present himself in the light and bear whatever cross he may have to bear for doing so. Who cloaks truth in mystery? Those that want to hide the truth?
" Too many people are quick to toss out that jab, that anyone who is interested in the IAAP videos is a member of a cult following. I disagree, it's so easy to broadly smear a group of sensible individuals who are taking the time and trying to make sense and scrutinize the videos. Who would you label a cult member, here?
And I don't see how you can lash out so strongly against something that you know little about?
"If your mad that an April fools joke got you, wait til you find the truth about IAMAPHONEY"-mindgames
You say this with such conviction; that we are all following a huckster and scam artist. [/quote][/i]
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Post by fireman on Apr 26, 2008 10:58:30 GMT -5
Like JoJo said, we have to stop this, do this in your own private time but not publicly! and not in my topics, please. thank you Sheep Milting. Mirror ! Mike, just start a new topic. ... This one should be renamed the "My Dad can kick your Dad's ass" thread... ... anyways... ... OK ... SO SOME PEOPLE BELIEVE IN IAAP ... SOME PEOPLE DO NOT BELIEVE IN IAAP ... SOME PEOPLE AREN'T SURE ABOUT IAAP ... This discussion reminds me of two opposing groups of fundamentalists projectile vomiting on each other while all the moderates are caught in the middle filtering the chunks. ... Or maybe it's like a discussion on some sort of moral issue...hmm...abortion perhaps? When do we begin to see PRO-IAAP/ANTI-IAAP bumper stickers? I mean, someone should make a small amount of $$$ on all of this, it's the 'merican way... ... I for one would purchase an IAAP beer cozy.
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Post by skyward on Apr 26, 2008 11:57:23 GMT -5
"I have read all the messages written here for a year now. So unless what is written here has nothing to do with what is on the other videos that I have not seen, then your statement is in error."-mindgames ------------------------------
I disagree, if you haven't viewed the video clips then you're missing out, you're getting a filtered and scattered point of view. The video series of aIIofhtemwitches, YouKnowMyName231 and IAAP should all be viewed. You won't get an accurate and thorough representation of the topics in those series from reading these posts.
================= "I am not referring to PID as a cult I am specificly referring to those that proclaim Holy Faith in IAMAPHONEY the "just wait he'll come through" camp, it is faith based on what, I ask you? "-mindgames ---------------------------
I know you broadly smeared those who are interested in IAAP as cult members and not PID in general. I think that is a cheap and easy shot and I think it is inaccurate. Instead of lumping everyone who is following along for the ride as a cult member, be more specific with your accusations.
Who is proclaiming IAAP to be infallible? I think Jude and MikeNL may have taken a stance of staunch advocacy of IAAP, where they have expressed that he will come through wth the interview and other matters and you question their "faith", why?
What do you know about them and their connection to IAAP that others don't? Defend your own "faith" that they are cult-clowns clinging to a pipe dream.
=============== "Why rely on this mystery person to present you the gospel of pid? He needs to present himself in the light and bear whatever cross he may have to bear for doing so. Who cloaks truth in mystery? Those that want to hide the truth?"-mindgames --------------------------
You don't like the methods IAAP chooses to use, fine, I understand that. The path that all the above mentioned video series have taken begins to suggest that there is a widespread connection between the Beatles/McCartney and 'controversial/ mystical' spheres. I would bet that if IAAP came right out and laid it all on the line with one statement, there would be plenty of blank stares from incredulous people staring at their monitors. People would probably demand evidence of the preposterous claim, so perhaps the evidence is being trickled out slowly, in order to build up to a conclusionary statement.
I assume that most of us are here to scrutinize and make sense of the recent video series, cult members typically don't scrutinize their leaders, they drink the kool-aid.
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