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Post by -Wings- on Jan 12, 2006 19:40:07 GMT -5
Tonight there will be a new episode of the show Declassified debuting on The History Channel focusing on John Lennon (airing at 10 PM EST). Here's a description:
From approximately 1956-1971, thousands of American residents and US citizens, from John Lennon to John Kerry to Martin Luther King Jr., were the subjects of COINTELPRO (Counter Intelligence Program), the FBI's secret operation to target people and organizations viewed as un-American. Decades later, historians and the subjects of the spying themselves have begun to use the Freedom of Information Act to piece together the story of COINTELPRO. In this episode, we focus on the case of John Lennon and uncover the effects of the FBI's domestic spymasters on this pop-culture icon and the myriad of people who loved him.
It might be interesting.
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Jan 12, 2006 23:25:25 GMT -5
I find it interesting that the government found Lennon a threat to national security when most of the govt. is part of the illuminati.
Was this part a publicity scheme on someone's part, or were they really threatened by Lennon?
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Post by Doc on Jan 13, 2006 2:54:52 GMT -5
Tonight there will be a new episode of the show Declassified debuting on The History Channel focusing on John Lennon (airing at 10 PM EST). Here's a description: From approximately 1956-1971, thousands of American residents and US citizens, from John Lennon to John Kerry to Martin Luther King Jr., were the subjects of COINTELPRO (Counter Intelligence Program), the FBI's secret operation to target people and organizations viewed as un-American. Decades later, historians and the subjects of the spying themselves have begun to use the Freedom of Information Act to piece together the story of COINTELPRO. In this episode, we focus on the case of John Lennon and uncover the effects of the FBI's domestic spymasters on this pop-culture icon and the myriad of people who loved him.It might be interesting. Well, its re-airing at 3AM. I guess I'll go watch it and sniffle some more. First Brokeback Mtn now Lennon. I know I've got some extra Kleenex somewhere.......why am I the cry baby? hey, it's OK. Every forum needs at least one resident drama Qu person. OK I missed it; it was on at 2AM. I got the time wrong.
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Post by -Wings- on Jan 13, 2006 4:37:10 GMT -5
It wasn't that great if you already know the story. Most of the material covered was common knowledge and didn't delve too deeply.
The most striking bit of information came at the end, when they talked about how to this day there are still ten FBI pages on Lennon being kept classified, under the specific request of a foriegn government. Why is it that I suspect these ten pages deal with Paul McCartney, and the foriegn government is Britain?
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Post by beatlies on Jan 13, 2006 10:59:19 GMT -5
I find it interesting that the government found Lennon a threat to national security when most of the govt. is part of the illuminati. Was this part a publicity scheme on someone's part, or were they really threatened by Lennon? This could be a fake story to slop some more muddy water disinformation on the real facts of the Beatles being MI6/CIA-controlled, or it could another case of the "beat cop" lower class FBI naively spying on what were really CIA false flag operations of agents pretending to be leftists, but who were in reality false flag agents of the much more elite, higher-up, aristocratic, ruling class-run CIA and NSA Nazis. The FBI was running COINTELPRO-like operations, but the CIA was running much more sophistated, bigger, and even more vicious "OPERATION CHAOS" ("and creation") infiltration and false front covert operations. These Foswald-style agents must have incuded allegedly "radical" and "left wing" celebrities (coughJoan Baezcough). There's a mention of Massachusetts Senator John Kerry, another CIA plant, from Yale. There's a photo of John Lennon and John Kerry together in the early '70s that got circulated around the internet in the rigged election year of 2004.
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Post by TotalInformation on Jan 13, 2006 11:35:12 GMT -5
To some degree the CIA was playing Lennon and Nixon off against each other. Jerry Rubin was CIA and was going around announcing that Lennon had agreed to things which he hadn't - eg performing at a protest of the 1972 RNC. Lennon knew that was really like begging to be kicked out of the country...
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Post by beatlies on Jan 13, 2006 11:38:09 GMT -5
To some degree the CIA was playing Lennon and Nixon off against each other. Jerry Rubin was CIA and was going around announcing that Lennon had agreed to things which he hadn't - eg performing at a protest of the 1972 RNC. Lennon knew that was really like begging to be kicked out of the country... In Skywriting By Word of Mouth John Lennon quotes Mae Brussell, suggesting that Rubin, all of the Chicago Seven and Paul Krassner are CIA scum. That is accurate.
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Post by sistermaryabbey on Jan 15, 2006 14:12:52 GMT -5
Just a stupid question. Could Yucko have been a plant from the start to get John involved in all the various left wing movements of the day and thereby making him a threat to the government? Or at least seeming to be a threat to good, solid right-wingers?
We know Yucko worked with the CIA .
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Post by beatlies on Jan 15, 2006 17:00:52 GMT -5
Sistermaryabbey what have you seen about Yoko working with the CIA?
She is from a very wealthy, elite, aristocratic Japanese background, mostly in banking corporations, and involved in major Japanese war crimes in World War II in VIETNAM that was occupied by Imperial Japan after they were given the colony by Nazi Vichy France.
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Jan 15, 2006 22:52:27 GMT -5
So Yucko's family started WWII? Yucko has a strange origin with John and it's just too fishy to think John was so in love with HER, of all people on earth. She cast a spell, and more than likely played into John's rebellious side and brought out the anger and political side.
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Post by lili on Jan 16, 2006 11:47:07 GMT -5
Sounds very possible to me, Rita. SMA, spot on about Yucko's effect on John. I'm not too sure about the CIA connection. I'm sure that she was working with whatever Govt. organization collaborated with MI5.
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Jan 16, 2006 14:33:36 GMT -5
I hate to think that someone who had such a prominent personality like John could be brainwashed, but when dealing with witchcraft, someone who would be unsuspecting could fall prey to occultism or cults. But there's more to Yoko than being JOhn's love interest. For her to have enough influence to pawn off her rubbish as artwork, to have an art exhibition that John attended, sounds like some careful planning to me, in order to lure John into her web. She is a black widow spider to say the least.
I also read that Yoko, secretly and shortly after John's murder, was remarried. But I don't remember where I read that, in another forum post, or while doing some PID research of my own. It may have been the artists under mind control that had a John Lennon's murder link, which was like a book and had chapters.
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Post by lili on Jan 17, 2006 13:28:23 GMT -5
Rita, that is all very true. I'm not sure if she did marry that guy she was with for so long after John's murder. This is what I found at the bottom of the page at this site: www.instantkarma.com/guestviewjune98.htmlAs for Sam Havadtoy, he was friends with the Lennons prior to 1980. He came to the Dakota to help Yoko and Sean in the wake of John's shooting and has been with them ever since. Yoko has talked about him in earlier interviews and he hmost often been mentioned as her "constant companion" in articles about Yoko. When Albert Goldman was writing his tome on John, he claimed he had proof that Sam and Yoko were married, but never produced that proof. Yoko said she had not remarried. Then I read this. It's part of the article that I found at this site: www.yoko-ono.com/justimagine.htmTwo days later, we're shoeless in the 'white room' and Yoko is sternly instructing me that she doesn't want to talk about the recent split from antique dealer Sam Havadtoy, her partner of many years, which strikes me as amusing because I didn't know about such a split until she mentioned it - though I had intended to ask how anyone can sustain romantic ties with her when the relationship with Lennon is still so present. Anyway, now she asks me not to mention that, or the fact that she'd explained her attraction to John in terms of his sexiness. It's early and she's tired, because Sean and his young and notably more gorgeous than him girlfriend left for home in LA today and they stayed up late, chatting. Both articles state that she never married him.
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Post by sistermaryabbey on Jan 17, 2006 15:52:25 GMT -5
LovelyRita, you are spot on. Yoko remarried within 6 months of John's murder. John was a rebel, but he was no match for her black magic. He had never encountered or even imagined anything like that. She got him at his very lowest and used him and abused him. When I see pictures of John where he appears almost a skeleton, I want to cry. Starvation is another tool used in mind control.
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Jan 18, 2006 0:16:32 GMT -5
And when they were on The Mike Douglas Show, it just looked like a strange charade. I could never imagine John willingly be on such a lame program as Mike Douglas' show was. ANd there was Yucko right up front and in the public's face.
Witchcraft had to be the influence of the two virgins album cover. The world is not the same since seeing her naked. I can't imagine any sound man wanting her and doing that stunt. Being a legitimate musician and singer, why would he stoop so low to have such a piece of crap released with that cover?
I could see her being involved in incantations and levitating.
You are right, starvation as well as sleep deprivation are tools used in mind control.
To think how good looking John was in his "fat Elvis" days of "Help" and then so sickly skinny with Yucko. She always creeped me out and always will. She's evil. Pure evil.
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Post by lili on Jan 18, 2006 10:49:14 GMT -5
SMA & Rita, I couldn't agree more !
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Post by sistermaryabbey on Jan 18, 2006 15:51:48 GMT -5
Yucko is, are, and were pure evil. You are right, LovelyRita, John would never have done those lame interviews. I am not even sure he would really have given a rat's patoot about all the peace and love and women's rights and antiwar demonstrations. I think that was Yucko's doing to get the world to see her and her power over John. If Yucko herself had done all those rallies, she would have been nothing more than "just one of the crowd". With John's name, she was SOMETHING!
The "Two Virgins" cover is not something John would normally have done. He might have been the rebel but he was raised that you don't parade around in the nude. Aunt Mimi was a very strict woman. I bet she almost croaked if she saw that album cover. Seeing Yucko naked is enough to make anyone throw up. Even an executive at the record studio said Paul would have looked better naked than Yucko did ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Ain't that the truth! She looked like a hairy monkey........."Just Me and My Monkey"
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Post by beatlies on Mar 16, 2006 23:38:19 GMT -5
It's being re-run on the "Hitler Channel." There's a discussion here:
[ftp]http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=682320&mesg_id=682320[/ftp]
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