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Post by Doc on Jan 8, 2007 2:51:41 GMT -5
Bach imitated; but soon Bach became more imitated himself! Scarletti wrote at the same time, but lived far away in Spain, free fro the shackles of German conventions, and in a hospitable situation for creativity, and his works are vastly different from Bach's. Doc, did you mean Scarlatti? I know, I'm a pain in the xxx but, you know, even if he went to Spain, he was Italian... WHen I type fast I have many wrong voywellsm er, voeaelelles, er, vowels. And then I always try to proof read twice and I only find 82% of my errors. So, you get Scarletti when I meant Scarlatti, and yes, I know he was Italian. I must read again his history as it was interesting how that came about and how he lived, etc.......
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Post by beatlies on Jan 8, 2007 7:39:55 GMT -5
What is this? "Paul Is Dead Clues" ---No photo or video physical face/body/feet comparisons of JPM and Faul, as usual, of course, this is corporate-state media whores producing and delivering, quite unlike the iamaphoney series. www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zk6C6TUZkn0&mode=related&search=The comments posted are too unbelieveably stupid. Apparently they've never heard of plastic surgery and ghostwriters.
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Post by beatlies on Jan 8, 2007 7:45:27 GMT -5
iamaphoney wrote: "I am sorry to ruin your respect for the beatles. But they were very into Crowley. Look at sgt pepper and magical mystery tour It have crowley written all over it."Other than Crowley's face on Sgt. Pepper, I see nothing to support that statement. "John Lennon, in an interview, says the "whole idea of the Beatles was Aliester Crowley's idea, "do what thou wilt""Yes, that is 1/2 of Crowley's most famous statement, and the basic reason for his popularity: he advocated an individual, independent approach to life, and the pursuit of arcane knowledge. the Beatles' album was dedicated to Satanist Aleister Crowley. It was released 20 years, to the day, after Crowley's death in 1947, and its title song began with the lyrics, "It was twenty years ago today..." No, there's no evidence to support the claim that Sgt Pepper is dedicated[/i] to "satanist " Aleister Crowley, or anyone else for that matter. None, as far as I know. Sgt Pepper may have been released on the twentieth anniversary of Crowley's death. That proves absolutely nothing. Even if it was released on the date of his death purposefully, that doesn't mean that the Beatles were "satanists", or that "Sgt. Pepper" is Crowley, or that the album is dedicated to him. Don't misunderstand. I get what's being inferred, but if even we allow for the idea that the Beatle lyrics are about Crowley, whose spirit started teaching the Sgt. Pepper band to play when the Beatles would have been about 4 to 7 years old, it was not necessarily a satanic endeavor, regardless. I know: living as he did, Crowley would rightly have "gone to hell". And if the Beatles (or alledgedly the Beatles) had been taught by Crowley's spirit how to "learn to play" (live independently), then they might have chosen to honor his advocacy of living freely with Pepper. But to suggest that the Sgt Pepper lyrics are an advocacy of satanic practise is a stretch, and the link is too tenuous to be provable in any case. The album's cover featured a picture of Crowley.And about 70 other people. Paul McCartney said of Sgt. Pepper's cover: we were going to have photos on the wall of all our heroes. Bill said that. Why is Crowley so well known and, in some ways, admired to this day? Because he was a deviant and alledgedly a satanist? No. He is respected for his writings on arcane subjects, and his advocacy of the independentpursuit of life's mysteries. He's respected for his advocacy of the personal freedom to live life as one sees fit. If the Beatles were "the whole idea" of that principal, it doesn't mean they were advocates of satanism, regardless of what BS you might read on some sites that try to make the Beatles into devil-worshippers. The Beatles may have been about "do what you want to do, and go where you're going to; think for yourself..." I believe they were also about something much bigger than that, but nothing "satanic". If you were to make an argument for Led Zepellin devoting albums to Crowley, you'd probably get less of an argument from me. It was on one of their albums that the "my sweet satan" speech reversal is heard. It is not heard on any Beatle song, to the best of my knowledge.[/quote] sorry i didnt mean to upset you.. i´ve just copy paste the thing about the "satanist" Crowley.. but in MMT there are 4-5 magicans just like crowleys book "Magick" a lot of simularities in the MMT "Magican" story and Crowley. I am not saying crowley was a satanist,he was into the hippie trippie thing,really! Also im not quite sure about the bill thing. How do we know his name is Bill? I cant find any evidence that point in any Bill direction.. I like the thought of Bill campbell... I like the reverse in Sgt Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band BCHLPS BC HLPS Bill Campbell Helps[/quote] The MMT MagiCIAns' Scene: www.youtube.com/watch?v=3L84A4En2Pc&mode=related&search=There's a silver pentagram in the ceiling corner. "John" says "Oh how are you Bonzo?"
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Post by fourthousandholes on Jan 8, 2007 10:12:33 GMT -5
Beatlies wrote: "What is this? "Paul I Dead Clues".... this is corporate-state media whores producing and delivering, quite unlike the iamaphoney series." Congratulations Iamaphoney! You've been "debunked!"They get a foxy chick to suggest that anyone who would really take note of the clues isn't cool. This is addressed to younger people than "the Beatle generation" so they aren't likely to care much, but just in case they would start to pay attention.... You've "arrived" Iam ! Hip, hip: Hooray! hip, hip: Hooray! hip, hip: Hooray! Now what you need is a WWF type theme song. May I suggest, "I Dig a Phoney!" ?
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Post by Mellow Yellow on Jan 8, 2007 15:15:02 GMT -5
That video with the 12 clues really does set people up not to take the whole thing seriously. Even after she says "replaced with an imposter" she pauses and gives a sarcastic "hmm" to make it seem so "totally outrageous".
Don't even get me started on the fact that she was a moron, knew nothing about the whole thing, and was blatantly reading everything from cards.... And she couldn't even do that well enough to not be noticed.
*jots this down as further evidence for his theory that america is getting dumber*
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Post by Jai Guru Deva on Jan 8, 2007 16:40:49 GMT -5
Busy Lizzy had a special wishing flower on her frock. She could wish four wishes at a time, but if she happened to wish for more, then it would all fly away and things would return back to the way they were before... youtube.com/watch?v=
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Post by beatlies on Jan 9, 2007 19:23:47 GMT -5
Quite obscure nursery rhyme. Too much of a "coincidence." I've read that Terry Melcher was a producer at Apple. Is this true? What is the source for McCartney meeting Manson in 1968? Did Faul visit the Beach Boys in California in 1968? there are no evidence that 1234567 is a childrens song I have been looking all over at I have nothing on that rhyme. Only manson and mccartney seems to know this rhyme It is a nursery rhyme --- "1234567 all good children go to heaven/ when they die their mommies cry 1234567" Why would "the Beatles" have this on their album? The writing of this with other Beatles lyrics on the Spahn ranch door of the Manson cult a month before Abbey Road was released is a smoking gun ........
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Post by Blll on Jan 10, 2007 18:41:57 GMT -5
It is a nursery rhyme --- "1234567 all good children go to heaven/ when they die their mommies cry 1234567" Why would "the Beatles" have this on their album? The writing of this with other Beatles lyrics on the Spahn ranch door of the Manson cult a month before Abbey Road was released is a smoking gun ........ That is even a better clue!!! Do you have a source,a print , something with that rhyme?
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Post by beatlies on Jan 10, 2007 18:46:56 GMT -5
It is a nursery rhyme --- "1234567 all good children go to heaven/ when they die their mommies cry 1234567" Why would "the Beatles" have this on their album? The writing of this with other Beatles lyrics on the Spahn ranch door of the Manson cult a month before Abbey Road was released is a smoking gun ........ That is even a better clue!!! Do you have a source,a print , something with that rhyme? Someone, a professional songwriter who was a child in the 1950s, told me that he remembers that rhyme. When he recited it I remembered hearing it also. I haven't researched it other than asking him about the Beatles use of the line and his response, saying the rest of the rhyme that he remembers.
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Post by beatlies on Jan 10, 2007 18:56:19 GMT -5
Look at this photo of an envelope on a webpage about the Zodiac killer-Manson connections. The top corner says backwards "CIA 1234567 A.G.C.G.T.H.! " Below there's an APPLE with a face in it .......... www.zodiacmurders.com/ch9_envelope.html
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Post by fourthousandholes on Jan 10, 2007 19:22:32 GMT -5
More to this than just that Beatlies; iamaphoney! www.zodiacmurders.com/ch9_envelope.html "1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, All Good Children Go To Heaven" is an old British children's rhyme (Zodiac's British connection)....." "A penny on the water - Two pence on the sea. Three pence on the railway - Out goes she." "Please look at the picture Tkp1966 posted below.
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Post by tkp1966 on Jan 10, 2007 20:17:05 GMT -5
I hope this is the right thread 4k
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Post by fourthousandholes on Jan 10, 2007 20:38:18 GMT -5
Yes, thank you tkp1966! I wanted Beatlies to see that. Beatlies, that picture was drawn by Klaus Voorman, Beatle friend and designer of the cover for "Revolver". Note the "Jack-the-Ripper" type scene at the top of it.
If the Zodiak killer was linked to the Manson ranch, and Apple, and the children's rhyme at the ranch is British, and ended up on "Abbey Road", and Claus Voorman drew a "Jack the Ripper" type scene in a Beatle drawing, might we take the leap and say that perhaps Paul had a link to the Zodiak killer?
There's a Byrds song called "Artificial Energy" which includes these lyrics:
"Artificial energy Is racing in my mind Ive got a strange feeling Im going to die before my time. Im coming down off amphetamines And I'm in jail 'cause I killed the queen."
Perhaps Paul, out-of-his-mind on drugs, killed a transvestite at a club in the seedy part of town?
The Byrds song could very well be a PID/PWR clue.
If Paul had left the Beatles, and somehow ended up (by way of the Beach Boys) at the Manson ranch, might he, as they, have been programmed to accept the blame for, or commit, a murder?
That fits in with "Maxwell's Silver Hammer" somewhat. It fits in with the "horror" expressed musically in "Wild Honey Pie" on the White Album. (The Beach Boys had an album called "Wild Honey" [PIE]) It might fit with "She Came in Through the Bathroom Window".
It all fits together. (And I'll have to look at Iamaphoney's #7 again. There's something there I can't remember.) Oh yeh. "Rise". Possibly said on Revolution 9.
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Post by fourthousandholes on Jan 10, 2007 21:05:53 GMT -5
Now we've all seen the skeletal hands reaching for Paul on the White Album poster. Look at that drawing, below the large Paul face on the left. Do we see similar hands reaching over an intoxicated Paul? Could the person reaching over Paul be the spirit of Jack the Ripper, overtaking Paul, as it were, from the grave, while he was high? Jack the Ripper's skeletal hands reaching for Paul on the White Album poster? Would Paul, "coming down from amphetymine", possibly have no recollection of killing "a queen" while possessed by the spirit of Jack the Ripper? Did the Byrds put out an album called "Dr. Byrds and Mr. Hyde"? Does it allude to the story "Dr. Jeckyl and Mr. Hyde" by Robert Louis Stevenson about someone with a split personality? Would such a person have to be locked up? ("I tell you man he's living there still"). Inquiring minds think they might know. But in fact, i think it's supposed to be John goofing around, reaching over Paul. So, back to the drawing board.
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Post by Mellow Yellow on Jan 10, 2007 22:33:43 GMT -5
I say we just capture Voorman and give him a dose of ye ole Truth Serum.
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Post by il ras on Jan 11, 2007 0:45:34 GMT -5
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Post by Mellow Yellow on Jan 11, 2007 1:16:29 GMT -5
ilras, I've always wanted to know, what is iuleeenzaaa?
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Post by il ras on Jan 11, 2007 1:34:06 GMT -5
If you don't mind, I'll answer in the off topic section (don't want to bore the others).
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Post by fourthousandholes on Jan 11, 2007 9:58:31 GMT -5
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Post by TotalInformation on Jan 12, 2007 12:20:41 GMT -5
Someone, a professional songwriter who was a child in the 1950s, told me that he remembers that rhyme. When he recited it I remembered hearing it also.
From what I understand, it was a rhyme that was regularly recited on the playgrounds (for skipping rope, etc) in the UK from early in the century through the 50s at least. Every schoolchild would know it.
Not sure about the US, though...
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Post by plastic paul on Jan 12, 2007 21:37:43 GMT -5
Ok I haven't really been following this thread and I really don't know why, but there's some great stuff here, and a lot of stuff that is new to me.
Please excuse me if I point out anything that has been mentioned before.
Part 1 - Car passing "through" Fauls head, well noticed.
5 - IMO sounds more like "Please be dead"
7 - OMG, now that is truly disturbing, I honestly feel worried when I see stuff like this, knowing that I love their music but thinking there could be sinister undertones. Scary stuff.
9 - Is actually a mock of ukelele playing English entertainer George Formby's catchphrase; "It's turned out nice again"
10 - "I admire" could be "I'm on fire"
12 - I love that, I've listened to that song backwards so many times and never noticed that. So it could be that you influenced me of course, but it's one of the clearest reversals i've ever had pointed out to me.
That's as far as i've got tonight, will carry on another time because it's late.
Keep up the good work phoney.
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Post by JoJo on Jan 13, 2007 23:23:25 GMT -5
Someone with a similar viewpoint it would seem, a Youtube member by the name of 'BeatleBillyShears'. He does an analysis of the video for 'This one'. www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbVAleZaQts
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Post by fourthousandholes on Jan 14, 2007 0:01:09 GMT -5
THIS ONE (Faul) Did I ever take you in my arms, Look you in the eye, tell you that I do, Did I ever open up my heart And let you look inside. If I never did it, I was only waiting For a better moment that didn't come. There never could be a better moment Than this one, this one. The swan is gliding above the ocean, A god is riding upon his back, How calm the water and bright the rainbow Fade this one to black. Did I ever touch you on the cheek Say that you were mine; Thank you for the smile? Did I ever knock upon your door, And try to get inside? If I never did it, I was only waiting For a better moment that didn't come. There never could be a better moment Than this one, this one. This swan is gliding above the ocean, A god is riding upon his back, How calm the water and bright the rainbow Fade this swan to black. What opportunities did we allow to flow by Feeling like the timing wasn't quite right? What kind of magic might have worked If we had stayed calm? Couldn't I have given you a better life? Did you ever take me in your arms, Look me in the eye? Tell me that you do. Did I ever open up my heart; Let you look inside? If I never did it, I was only waiting For a better moment that didn't come. There never could be a better moment Than this one, this one. This swan is gliding above the ocean, A god is riding upon his back, How calm the water and bright the rainbow Fade this swan to black. (end) And:The Billy Shears Fan Club:beatlebill.blogspot.com/
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Post by fourthousandholes on Jan 14, 2007 0:43:43 GMT -5
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Post by fourthousandholes on Jan 14, 2007 1:18:54 GMT -5
"Why would Paul call one of his albums 'Red Rose Speedway'? Especially when he was the only one wearing a black rose in MMT, and when he was in a car crash, possibly on a speedway?" This and other "new" clues at this site, linked to "the Billy Shears fan club" site: www.paul-is-dead.com/newclues.htmHere's one (from that site) "for the road": Submission #240
In the song "Magical Mystery Tour" listen closely when the bus passes the first time. You can hear squealing tires and a horrific accident in the background just before Paul sings "We've got everything you need". These sounds DO NOT repeat the second time the bus passes Many others there that are guaranteed to blow your mind. Like this: "Submission #229
On the Ed Sullivan Show, Paul had just finished his solo of "Yesterday" when the camera switches to the audience and back to the remaining Beatles as Paul switches from flat top to bass. Then John says into the microphone: "Thank you Paul, .....that was just like him." Then he introduces the song "Help". This was their last live performance on Ed Sullivan."
Does someone have the video?
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