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Post by il ras on Feb 9, 2013 5:28:49 GMT -5
Ok. But the topic of this thread is the biometric comparison of Paul's face, body, voice. .. Don't you think this Bob Crane thing is quite OT?
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Post by il ras on Jan 24, 2013 6:01:44 GMT -5
same happens in all the threads
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Post by il ras on Jan 23, 2013 21:18:52 GMT -5
U r off topic 99\100....
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Post by il ras on Jan 23, 2013 13:27:11 GMT -5
IMHO that behaviour just pollute all the threads
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Post by il ras on Jan 22, 2013 11:48:37 GMT -5
When I spoke with the guy who was restoring Paul's Aston Martin, he told me that people from Discovery Channel said to him that they were going to make an outstanding “revelation” when Paul will pass away
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Post by il ras on Jan 19, 2013 14:01:31 GMT -5
in this one(at the end) there is another anthropometric compqrison: Face and voice
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Post by il ras on Jan 17, 2013 4:26:18 GMT -5
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Post by il ras on Jan 15, 2013 19:58:04 GMT -5
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Post by il ras on Jan 15, 2013 19:34:55 GMT -5
(second part, sorry for the delay)
....by surprise. Mr. Baroni, as time was going by, was starting to open himself, and so, almost in a friendly way, told me his workshop had been visited twice by different TV troupes: the Sky team, and the Discovery Channel’s one too. (More recently, we have known, a RAI troupe joined the list).
About Discovery Channel - Baroni told me a rather puzzling detail: they were collecting all the documents about the Aston; Baroni himself had at his disposal just the original document certifying the property (here we are reproducing it, but by canceling the name of the current owner, to respect privacy). Baroni had some blueprint of other documents, others were lacking, he never got to see them.
But here comes the best part: he told me the ongoing documentary by Discovery Channel was planned to be broadcast... only on the day that McCartney passes away.
At that point I was trying to hide my rising blood pressure, and so, concealing my emotion, I asked Baroni in the more possible neutral voice: «Are they just collecting sundry items to make an Obituary...?»
He answered «No, no: they told me they are going to make a very outstanding “revelation”, that will be released only after McCartney’s death!» That sounded like music to my ears.I forced myself to keep calm, and I went on saying: «Well, as you may easily understand, if you make me aware of such kind of infos, I cannot help my mind run to the PID rumour I was ever intrigued by. »
«No way,» he replied «probably they’ll declare Paul has never been replaced.. ». I made him notice that would be no scoop at all, relying on the official version, and insisting McCartney is “still the same McCartney”! At that point I could see a shade of doubt on his face. I’m still wondering what - or WHO - can it be behind this Discovery Channel initiative. While inspecting the inner side of the car, we went on talking a bit about the “several” accidents happened to Paul, and the “moped accident + chipped tooth and lip scar” matter (you know it all, you have read everything on Part I, Chap. 7) but Baroni stopped me and said: «No, as far as I know Paul did not chip his tooth falling from a moped... he broke it right in this car. Paul’s got a scar from the moped fall, but not the chipped tooth. Stella McCartney related this detail to the current owner, who is a friend of mine.»
This statement brought me two thoughts. I kept for myself the first one: this scar is absolutely unheard of (Baroni described it like a pretty long vertical cut). Probably the unknown man who nowadays owns the Aston happened to see Paul face to face, being an acquaintance of Stella, thus having the chance to notice something that normal photographs or videos do not show.
I provided to Baroni the second thought instead: «It is out of the question Paul chipped his tooth in a car crash on Autumn 1966: apart from the official version, the moped accident, when the “Paperback Writer” video was filmed, May 1966, that tooth was already chipped.» (You reader already know well everything about this topic).
My interlocutor’s face, once again, was crossed by a slight expression of uncertainty. We went on talking a little bit, then I was on point of leaving, and saying our goodbyes we agreed to let me come back another day to shoot some pictures. Baroni by then had changed his mind from the initial absolute refusal of shooting, maybe having realized we were not wild McCartney fans or crazy PIDists, but actually serious investigators. We had just closed the doors of our car, and I was telling Salvatore how strangely “fiction-like” the meeting had been, while my friend pointed at something behind my shoulder, saying: «Look, Baroni is calling you now».
Walter was coming close to my windshield, under a snow which had began to fall, and his words sounded, once again, like a film dialogue. «Do you like to know the thruth?»
As you might imagine, I had no words left, I just raised my eyebrow. «We’ve found some blood.»It was one of those moments in which words come to your ears, but not to your mind. For a second I was not able to absorb that piece of news, so dramaticaly given. While I was recovering my reasoning, Walter added some detail:
«… but not a lot of blood, it was like someone, hurting forward, had got a cut on his knee.» I preferred to leave by then, without urging my guest to give me deeper informations, which would have sounded like a third degree. I’d rather postpone this particular issue, the blood stains, to our next scheduled meeting. ---------
After Christmas as holidays ended, I came back to Corsico, this time together with Anna, an amateur photographer friend of mine, who in recent years had becomed intrigued by our PID theory. My aim was to use this second meeting with Baroni to make some points more clear, but also to sum up again the main arguments which had emerged the first time.
Obviously I couldn’t wait too long to ask him why he had put forth the “blood” matter only in the end, while I was leaving. Baroni candidly replied «I have an agreement, with the actual car owner, to not reveal everything to anyone.» On one hand, I was proud to be admitted in the small number of people who could have access to that information, but on the other hand I began suspecting there could be a lot of other details hidden, and I could not know if I’d ever get to know them all. But I let my “conspiracist” face drop, and I did not press Baroni too much. So we turned back on the blood issue: it seemed that more than one person could have spilled blood, not only the driver (Paul?). At the time of the crash, both the front seats were occupied, and two stripe-shaped stains were found, on both sides. Each stripe was on the outer side (I mean the right side as far the driver is concerned, the left side for the passenger), the apparent cause being the narrow space available for legs: in case of accident, it’s pretty easy to hurt them.I couldn’t help making two observations.
The first one: the clash must have been not that light, to leave such evident stains, expecially for a male occupant of the car (Paul?) who had trousers on. The other reasoning I had was about the dynamics of the crash.
The Aston had received a frontal blow, but not exactly in the center. The damage was evident, and almost exactly on the passenger’s side, so, how is it possible that the two persons were pushed, by inertia, towards opposite directions? To be logical, one of the two should have been pushed to the car’s center, not leaving any trace on the outer side. Unfortunately, the stains were no longer there to be examined, they had pulled some piece of the car off, so I remained full with doubts, and Walter could only insist with the unconfortable position of legs in this kind of cabin could explain the hurt.
I did not go on examining this topic, even though I was not fully convinced: in my opinion, some blood should have spilled also on the inner side of the cabin. Of course this crash is so back in time that is almost impossible to deepen its mechanics... and it seems nobody made a prompt survey, at the time. We can only add, just for the record, that the blood stained parts had been removed, and replaced, but not destroyed. It seems the actual owner is keeping them all, in order to maintain the complete original set (at least, this is the official reason).
The next two pictures show the Aston from the front windshield and from the right side, with the driver’s seat.
As for the rest of the info Baroni gave me, the time we first met, the man confirmed them all, apart from a detail, which I noticed as a contradiction.
The first time he had said «Stella McCartney reported to the actual owner, a friend of mine and an acquaintance of hers, that the scar (?!?) Paul has under his cheeckbone is from a moped accident, while he chipped his tooth in this very car.» But now Baroni’s recap, about this point became a bit different: «No, my friend tried to contact Stella McCartney to gather news about this car, but she never answered.» I was puzzled: how come, before Baroni told me about Stella giving several infos (maybe wrong, but it runs in her family...) about her father’s moped accidents, and now “she never answer to the actual owner”?
I couldn’t help to notice some strange shade in his behaviour, while changing his version: if I should take for good TV serials, like “The Mentalist” or “Lie to Me”, I would surely deduce Walter was lying, but honestly it’s not my usual job...
One more note: Baroni, on one hand, had withdrawn his prior witness - to use a “legal” term - but on the other hand he had insisted on this new detail, the scar under Paul’s checkbone. Being this, as I said before, an unheard of detail, never seen on photographs or videos, there are two possible deductions:
1. this scar does not exist, and Baroni has got it misunderstood, or
2. somebody very close to Paul knows this detail, having seen Paul face to face, with no make up on, so he told the actual owner of the Aston Martin about it.
I’d like to repeat how Mr. Baroni has been very agreeable with us, an absolutely kind person, and a real expert of old-fashioned cars. Some inconsistency in his statements, or some little “withdrawal”, can easily be explained by his desire not to hurt the privacy of his customer, the actual owner of the car.
In the end, I warmly thanked Walter Baroni, who had let me know so many technical details, not only the PID-aimed ones, about the Aston Martin. This detection about this mythical car ends here, but maybe some more things will come out; stay tuned!
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Post by il ras on Apr 28, 2012 7:42:33 GMT -5
More to come, anyway.... I'll have to split it in other two parts, at least...
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Post by il ras on Apr 24, 2012 9:36:34 GMT -5
Here I go with the first part of the Aston Martin's story, sorry for the bad english but I used a translator as is a lot of stuff
It is a lot of years that I am interested in this mystery, and I noticed that there are periods of ups and downs: a moment of calm alternate months of investigative fury: a constant finding clues or insights to develop new theories.
It 's just what happened to me recently: it was a period without major innovations and PID stagnated a bit'. One evening just before the Christmas holidays I read a message on facebook by Carlo Alberto Rosso a young friend I knew long ago on the internet thanks to this common passion. In his post I noted the presence of the automobile previously owned by Paul McCartney in Corsico, an hinterland town near Milan.it wasn’t just a car, it was just that! The legendary Aston Martin, in which it is said that Paul had the fatal accident. The news is confirmed, at least in the first part: Paul REALLY crashed his car! that the blow was fatal it is very doubtful but we will see this later. Yes, because until now it had never been clarified if this phantom collision had ever been or not., and instead the title of the article linked by Carlo Alberto said this:”Paul McCartney’s Aston Martin, the one of the famous urban legend is here in Milan”
I had read the message at 21.45 the night before and now, after managing to lose the way three times in spite of the navigator, it was 11.30 and I was in the parking lot in front of the shop Baroni, specializing in the restoration of British cars.
It was very cold and was starting to snow.
I had accompanied my friend Salvatore Aurea, but despite the weather and the prospect that the meeting lasted for several minutes, he preferred to stay in the car.
Of course it could also be that our presence, unexpected, is not desirable but basically what I had to risk? Faced with the prospect of being in the presence of one of the most important cars in history, not only of music, you might as well run the risk of receiving a rebuff.
I rang the bell in the office but, as in a movie by Mel Brooks, it was another door to be opened: the one of the shed where they keep the cars.
It came out a person so impressively looking that for a moment I did a quick mental review of the risk assessment made shortly before. I confess I thought “if I make this guy get angry who knows how it ends. "
Walter Baroni is in fact a very impressive man, taller than six feet.
Fortunately, once explained the purpose of my visit, I realized that that man was very kind and helpful, willing to provide details about theAston Martin and its restoration. The only condition: do not take pictures.
He showed me first of all the amenities "custom-built" the car has: a motorola radio with "aston martin" that illuminates when a tape is in with rubber feet to reduce as much as possible of the jump tack during the march.
These were temporarily removed because the panel had yet to be restored.
As he showed me these objects and some documentation of the ownership of the car, so I told him that it was an urban legend, as he well knew, but that I had a suspicion that perhaps there might be something real, not so much for the various cluesbut for the outcome of research made during the previous year by the monthly magazine "Wired".
Mr. Baroni said to me that he am aware of the article but still had serious doubts and he wondered why they had not been carried out on DNA analysis of McCartney.
This objection is very common but the answer is quite simple. You can not take the DNA of a person against his will. Obviously, a court could, but with what charge? Based on what? A private, conversely, would have difficulty in obtaining a first sample, then, even assuming you do this successfully, thereby creating an organic findings of Paul and, say, his brother was then the enormous problem of proving the origin of the samples used for comparison.
With this I am not suggesting any judge to stop the Beatle, when he’ll arrive in Italy with the hypothesis of impersonation and false documents or, worst, of concealment of a corpse, it is understood. I'm just saying that DNA is and will always be a very difficult road ahead.
Walter seemed to share in principle the explanation.
Meanwhile I had brought before the car: an 'Aston Martin DB5 '64 color Sierra Blue. Paul had seen the car in the 007 movie but did not like the silver color of the dye therefore ordered, unlike Ringo Instead, he bought one just like that of James Bond.
So I asked him of the incident and the circumstances in which he had found the car.
Although already changed hands, from Paul to a second owner, the car had received a treatment not very appropriate: it had been left under a shed outside for years without ever being used and the damage was only "buffered" with putty and a coat of paint.
The current owner, an Italian, had bought this piece of history almost by accident: he was looking for a car and when he learned that the one that was offered to him had belonged to Macca, had rushed to buy it, conscious of its value .
He went to England with Baroni and tgether drove the car, crossing the Channel Tunnel and central Europe.
He said that the car had received a significant blow, but in his opinion, not sufficient to cause the death. A the collision, probably with a pole or something similar size, had caused a recess about a foot wide and as deep .
A big crash, in short, but not enough to be fatal. In addition, the windshield was broken but, for example, the steering was intact. This confirms to him that the blow was not strong or the steering wheel, wooden, would snap.
That said, anything can happen, too, that you can break your neck falling in the bathtub of the bathroom. I do not mean anything except that the magnitude of impact, by itself, may want to say everything and nothing. If you want to know my opinion, I would say that I think is very unlikely that Paul is able to die in the circumstances of the accident immediately dall'Aston.
Also the car has seat belts, but this is a piece of relative value: Even our cars have the mountain but not everyone always fasten it ...
More information: The incident dates back to 1966 with almost 100% certainty: in fact, Paul bought the car after a DB6, just in 1966.
By logging on to the speech DNA did before, I asked him if they found something in the car, a piece of hair or something equivalent.
I was aware of all issues in the case of a positive response:even if they had found something, it would be virtually impossible to attribute it to someone, expecially to the most unreachable of the"Sirs"
In any case, the problem does not exist as Baroni told me that they hadn’t found nothing, they even removed the instrument panel in hopes of finding something, maybe a manuscript of some songs, but to no avail.
Meanwhile Salvatore, semi frozen, had reached us inside the shed.
Just in time to hear something that made me do a little jump ...
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Post by il ras on Apr 24, 2012 9:34:20 GMT -5
unfortunately, I did not
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Post by il ras on Mar 18, 2012 15:24:10 GMT -5
All the doc is too much for me but maybe I can translate the part about the Aston Martin
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Post by il ras on Mar 18, 2012 13:10:29 GMT -5
I appear 4 times (Donato Pastore)
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Post by il ras on Mar 18, 2012 3:59:12 GMT -5
Terra Incognita - Paul is Dead, il caso del doppio Beatle.mpgwww.youtube.com/watch?v=d2Jhd5DEtekSome new things in it: Sketches (those found by JoJo) investigation about the Aston Martin (that really had an accident in 1966) I'm in it too! (sorry about that ;D )
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Post by il ras on Nov 28, 2011 17:13:49 GMT -5
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Post by il ras on Mar 3, 2011 19:42:33 GMT -5
The comparison will be super fair: this guy is a real pro and doesn't want to ruin his name for the PID|PIA controversy.
In any case the pics should be first of all BIG: pics of a good quality are better, no need to explain why... 2): pics of Teeth and profiles... as much as you can find
many thanks, really
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Post by il ras on Mar 3, 2011 15:23:32 GMT -5
Thank you Letter B.
Someone else?
As I said, he asked to focus on teeth and profile.
I already collected some pics but would like to see if with a little help from my friend from NIR I can get more
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Post by il ras on Mar 3, 2011 14:28:46 GMT -5
Ok guys, I need your help.
I commissioned a biometric comparison to a specialist.
I have to provide him photos.
I need especially those of teeth and profiles.
But others are welcome.
Do you have any suggestion?
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Post by il ras on Oct 20, 2010 18:22:11 GMT -5
I'll tell you this. It'll be an exiting iamaphoney day : ) exiting and typical!! ;D ;D ;D
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Post by il ras on Oct 19, 2010 5:52:57 GMT -5
Doc, first of all we don't know what happened so we can't stop just because there is this hypothesis among the others. Then, even if this is what really happened, we can still try to understand who is the substitute and what really happened, avoiding to discover (and I don't really think it's so easy ;D ) where the real Paul is now.
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Post by il ras on Oct 18, 2010 17:48:45 GMT -5
It's a countdown to 9\11 (one of the possible dates on the pepper drumskin).
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Post by il ras on Oct 18, 2010 5:54:00 GMT -5
Doc, I agree with you..
I'm PWR and this interview fits perfectly.
I've just one doubt (a big one, eh): the clues say "Paul is dead" not "Paul decided to retire" or "Paul is at Bora Bora".
The only explanation I can give (if we want to keep a PWR scenario) is that those were messages for someone that had to think that Paul was really dead.
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Post by il ras on Oct 18, 2010 4:37:12 GMT -5
OMG yes, very very extremely Bill-esque. One of the players in the cast, maybe? Who knows. Very similar but I don't think is the man.
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Post by il ras on Oct 17, 2010 15:53:51 GMT -5
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