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Post by JoJo on Mar 12, 2006 15:13:24 GMT -5
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Mar 12, 2006 20:00:05 GMT -5
I bookmarked this and will research it later. Thanks JoJo. You are so thorough in your research and revelation. You have given us much to think about and study and discuss. Thank you for your time and efforts.
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Post by JoJo on Mar 12, 2006 21:10:11 GMT -5
Thanks LovelyRita, and I posted this in a hurry, but I will add that rec.music.beatles, which you can access/post from Google Groups, has been a great source of Beatle discussion for many years. We often wonder if "insiders" are around, but for sure they have posted at RMB, such as Fred Seaman, and Francie Schwartz. Take a look at this letter to Bill and Linda, from John in 1969, just an example of the good stuff found there: www.beatlesagain.com/breflib/letter.html
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Post by lili on Mar 13, 2006 11:06:33 GMT -5
JoJo, that letter's a revelation. John wrote: When asked about what I thought orginially concerning US.B.C etc., I told them as best as I can remember, and I do remember squirming a little, don't (bold) you Paul, or do you, as I suspect still believe it all ? I'll forgive you Paul for encouraging the Beatles, if he forgives me for same, for being honest with me and caring too much. F*cking hell Linda you're not writing for Beatle Book!!! So, they squirmed did they What did John mean STILL BELIEVE IT ALL The idea that it was for the best that Paul's death & replacement was covered up Is THAT what John is referring to What does he mean " BEING HONEST WITH ME & CARING TOO MUCH " Did Bill help John try to overcome his grief over Paul's death And why is he saying to Linda that she's not writing for "Beatle Book" ? Haven't we already ascertained that certain cover photos of that magazine have been doctored ? Does that also make the content of that magazine, post September 1966, suspect ? John wrote: Do you really think most of today's art came about because of the Beatles? I don't believe you're that insane. Paul, do you believe that? When you stop believing it you might wake up! Didn't we always say we were part of the movement, not all of it? Of coarse we changed the world, but try and follow through, get off your gold disc and fly! I do believe he's admitting here that they were part of "the movement". Could this be the movement that certain people, such as Total Information & Beatlies have been trying to uncover. The movement to change the world, & not for the better either. He's trying to say that "Paul" wants to put it all on the Beatles. That it wouldn't have happened without them. John knew that wasn't true. How brainwashed is "Paul" Get off your "gold disc" & fly ? I wish I knew what John was referring to here. I would LOVE to read the letter that Linda wrote that John is responding to ! John wrote: Don't give me that Aunty Gin Shit about "in five years I'll look back as a different person," don't you see thats whats happening NOW. If I only knew THEN what I know NOW, you seemed to have missed that point. What John ? You wouldn't have gone along with it ? What does he mean Aunty Gin Shit ? John wrote: Excuse me if I use "Beatle Space" to talk about whatever I want, obviously if they keep asking Beatle questions, I'll answer them and get as much John & Yoko Space as I can, they ask me about Paul and I answer. I know some of it gets personal, but whether you believe it or not, I try and answer straight, and the bits they use are obviously the juicy bits. I don't resent your husband. I'm sorry for him. I know the Beatles are "quite nice people," I'm one of them, they're also just as big bastards as anyone else.I think that says it all, don't you ? John feels sorry for "Paul" because he can't go home " no more " ! He told her that believe it or not he tries to answer straight. Or as straight as he can, considering that their whole life is a LIE ! I just love the way John says things without saying them ! ;D
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Post by JoJo on Mar 13, 2006 17:42:54 GMT -5
I'll forgive you Paul for encouraging the Beatles, if he forgives me for same, for being honest with me and caring too much. F*cking hell Linda you're not writing for Beatle Book!!!
Yes, but let's not forget someone who was an occasional writer for the Beatle Book, as well as writing "The True Story of the Beatles". (put out by Beatle Book)
Billy Shepherd.
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Post by Doc on Mar 13, 2006 21:55:48 GMT -5
I'll forgive you Paul for encouraging the Beatles, if he forgives me for same, for being honest with me and caring too much. F*cking hell Linda you're not writing for Beatle Book!!! Yes, but let's not forget someone who was an occasional writer for the Beatle Book, as well as writing "The True Story of the Beatles". (put out by Beatle Book) Billy Shepherd. Billy Shepherd = Billy Shears About Shakespeare, I notice that William Shakespeare rearranges to form: Hear, James Will Speak. James I and VI of Scotland? The "Bard" lived from 1564 to 1616, so there is the needed overlap with King Iames (James; the letter "J" came about while he was on the throne, as did the palatal fricative "j" sound, which james considered more masculaine sounding. He was King Yahmaiz to begin with. Thank God for the letter "J". Can you imagine? Yawn Lennon? Yeremiah was a bullfrog? Get back, Yo-Yo? Pass the strawberry yam? Yumpin' Yehosafat? I've got Yoy, Yoy, Yoy. Yoy. Down in My Heart? Yeepers.) [some disciplines take this very seriously. ossossane.org/langue2.html and www.orlapubs.com/AL/L58.html] But who really knows. Was Shakespeare a committee, thru whom, by plays and other literature, the Crown as a whole 'spoke' to the common people? Was Billy Shears also an amalgam of identities, serving in a similar way in the 1960's? Maybe Billy Shears wasn't William, or "Faul", per se. Maybe Shears was------(*gasp*) a commitee speaking........... "all the King's (Crown's) horses, and all the King's men" ".......we are the eggmen....." Ga goo ga joob; bodda-bing, bodda-boom. Hey, Ringo! Hey dude, like, can I get a rim shot from you right about now? Hey, like, thanks man!
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Post by Miss Vaggie (Aka ET Girl) on Mar 13, 2006 22:07:51 GMT -5
"all the King's (Crown's) horses, and all the King's men" "all the King's (Crown's) horses, and all the King's men" ............ Had scrambled eggs for tea again!! I love that song!!
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Post by Doc on Mar 13, 2006 23:11:35 GMT -5
"all the King's (Crown's) horses, and all the King's men" "all the King's (Crown's) horses, and all the King's men" ............ Had scrambled eggs for tea again!! I love that song!! I prefer scones with my Tea; eggs and blackbirds are preferred by others. What a pretty dish to set before a king. Speaking of Shakespeare, etc, : www.johnshakespeare.com.au/caricatures/caricature7.html
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Post by Miss Vaggie (Aka ET Girl) on Mar 13, 2006 23:22:36 GMT -5
"all the King's (Crown's) horses, and all the King's men" ............ Had scrambled eggs for tea again!! I love that song!! I prefer scones with my Tea; eggs and blackbirds are preferred by others. What a pretty dish to set before a king. Speaking of Shakespeare, etc, : www.johnshakespeare.com.au/caricatures/caricature7.htmlThose are really wonderful pictures, Doc'. Thank you for sharing that link.
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Post by jarvitronics on Mar 22, 2008 1:17:39 GMT -5
Billy Shepherd = Billy Shears About Shakespeare, I notice that William Shakespeare rearranges to form: Hear, James Will Speak. James I and VI of Scotland? The "Bard" lived from 1564 to 1616, so there is the needed overlap with King Iames (James; the letter "J" came about while he was on the throne, as did the palatal fricative "j" sound, which james considered more masculaine sounding. He was King Yahmaiz to begin with. Thank God for the letter "J". Can you imagine? Yawn Lennon? Yeremiah was a bullfrog? Get back, Yo-Yo? Pass the strawberry yam? Yumpin' Yehosafat? I've got Yoy, Yoy, Yoy. Yoy. Down in My Heart? Yeepers.) [some disciplines take this very seriously. ossossane.org/langue2.html and www.orlapubs.com/AL/L58.html] But who really knows. Was Shakespeare a committee, thru whom, by plays and other literature, the Crown as a whole 'spoke' to the common people? Was Billy Shears also an amalgam of identities, serving in a similar way in the 1960's? Maybe Billy Shears wasn't William, or "Faul", per se. Maybe Shears was------(*gasp*) a commitee speaking........... "all the King's (Crown's) horses, and all the King's men" ".......we are the eggmen....." <snip> Magic post, Doc. I have long thought of The Beatles as the Shakespeares of rock and roll, and I ask myself, "Why these guys?" What is so special about Shakespeare? There have been many excellent writers through the ages. Why is this one author so highly venerated above his peers? What is so special about The Beatles? There have been lots of excellent bands before, during, and after the sixties. Why is this one band so highly venerated above its peers? It's must be a rig. (By Eleanor.) -y
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Post by B on Mar 22, 2008 2:47:39 GMT -5
Hear, James Will Speak sing this time around!
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Post by ccinri on Mar 30, 2008 20:12:29 GMT -5
Billy Shepherd = Billy Shears About Shakespeare, I notice that William Shakespeare rearranges to form: Hear, James Will Speak. James I and VI of Scotland? The "Bard" lived from 1564 to 1616, so there is the needed overlap with King Iames (James; the letter "J" came about while he was on the throne, as did the palatal fricative "j" sound, which james considered more masculaine sounding. He was King Yahmaiz to begin with. Thank God for the letter "J". Can you imagine? Yawn Lennon? Yeremiah was a bullfrog? Get back, Yo-Yo? Pass the strawberry yam? Yumpin' Yehosafat? I've got Yoy, Yoy, Yoy. Yoy. Down in My Heart? Yeepers.) [some disciplines take this very seriously. ossossane.org/langue2.html and www.orlapubs.com/AL/L58.html] But who really knows. Was Shakespeare a committee, thru whom, by plays and other literature, the Crown as a whole 'spoke' to the common people? Was Billy Shears also an amalgam of identities, serving in a similar way in the 1960's? Maybe Billy Shears wasn't William, or "Faul", per se. Maybe Shears was------(*gasp*) a commitee speaking........... "all the King's (Crown's) horses, and all the King's men" ".......we are the eggmen....." <snip> Magic post, Doc. I have long thought of The Beatles as the Shakespeares of rock and roll, and I ask myself, "Why these guys?" What is so special about Shakespeare? There have been many excellent writers through the ages. Why is this one author so highly venerated above his peers? What is so special about The Beatles? There have been lots of excellent bands before, during, and after the sixties. Why is this one band so highly venerated above its peers? It's must be a rig. (By Eleanor.) -y The Beatles Shakespearean TV skit was a play within a play. The play we saw them perform was actually from Ovid's Metamorphoses (narrative poem in fifteen books that describes the creation and history of the world). Written in 8 AD, Ovid goes from one to the other by working his way through mythology, often in apparently arbitrary fashion, jumping from one transformation tale to another, sometimes retelling what had come to be seen as central events in the world of Greek myth and sometimes straying in odd directions. The poem is often called a mock-epic. It is written in dactylic hexameter, the form of the great heroic and nationalistic epic poems both of the ancient tradition (the Iliad and Odyssey) and of Ovid's own day (the Aeneid). It begins with the ritual "invocation of the muse", and makes use of traditional epithets and circumlocutions. But instead of following and extolling the deeds of a human hero, it leaps from story to story with little connection. Instead, the recurring theme, as with nearly all of Ovid's work, is that of love—personal love or love personified as Amor (Cupid). Indeed, the other Roman gods are repeatedly perplexed, humiliated, and made ridiculous by Amor, an otherwise relatively minor god of the pantheon who is the closest thing this mock-epic has to an epic hero. Apollo comes in for particular ridicule as Ovid shows how irrational love can confound the god of pure reason. While few individual stories are outright sacrilegious, the work as a whole inverts the accepted order, elevating humans and human passions while making the gods and their desires and conquests objects of low humor. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metamorphoses_(poem)
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Post by jarvitronics on Mar 30, 2008 20:21:04 GMT -5
The Beatles Shakespearean TV skit was a play within a play. The play we saw them perform was actually from Ovid's Metamorphoses (narrative poem in fifteen books that describes the creation and history of the world). Ovid, ovum, egg man? -j
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