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Post by TotalInformation on Mar 23, 2007 21:53:37 GMT -5
I've established to my satisfaction that Lennon was imitating Ringo on "A Little Help from My Friends."
I was wondering today whether JPM could have done Ringo's voice on Yellow Submarine. I saw again a quote from lennon about how YS was "Paul's song."
And it was his song about the game he and his friends all (aboard) were already playing with the idea of doubles since at least late 1965...
JPM, Ringo, Dino Danelli, Keith Richards, George Harrison, Sylvie Vartan, Marisa Sannia.... (Was Brill in the picture yet?) (& musical collaborators like BWilson & Donovan)
So it would have been perfectly natural for JPM to sing the song himself but not as himself on Revolver.
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Post by TotalInformation on Mar 23, 2007 23:57:16 GMT -5
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Post by fourthousandholes on Mar 24, 2007 10:29:48 GMT -5
They're sitting down for pete's sake! John, Paul, George and Ringo. End of story. (And I believe that there were replacements after this album. No one on Pepper looks right.)
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Post by TotalInformation on Mar 24, 2007 12:49:20 GMT -5
Sitting down changes the size of their torsos? Look at "RINGO" and "JOHN" for instance....
(Not to mentio that's obviously Keith Richards playing "George" behind them.)
Now, can we get a Revolver vs RingoSolo Yellow Sub comparison?
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Post by fourthousandholes on Mar 24, 2007 13:47:48 GMT -5
TI wrote: "Not to mentio that's obviously Keith Richards playing "George" behind them" No, that's not obvious at all, because it isn't. But I'll make you a gentleman's bet. I figure someday we'll know, beyond a shadow of a doubt. I could say something stupid, like, whoever's wrong has to eat a toad, but I wouldn't. The turtle soup was bad enough! (Yes, I took a bet like that once, and lost. ) So I've learned my lesson. But whoever is wrong has to buy the other a beer or something. Fair enough? I'll have a Samuel Adams, thank you very much.
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Post by TotalInformation on Jul 8, 2007 18:28:45 GMT -5
Why not start a new thread for idiot jokes and leave the research threads unmolested? Thanks.
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Post by Jude on Jul 25, 2007 10:41:31 GMT -5
Why don't YOU get a life? You can't take a joke, and that's because you live in this dark little spooky world full of cover-ups and lies, and you can trust absolutely no one.
Do you know what the flaw is in thinking that everyone got replaced? It's that the replacers had to have the same level of talent as the people they were replacing. And same temperament. Angry, wife-beating disturbed inner-child Lennon of '69 is very similair to angry, wife-beating disturbed inner-child Lennon of '63. So similar that they might just be the same person! *GASP* But that's too simple for you. To think that all the people who met these people and knew them, like John's best friend Pete Shotton----to think that every interview they've given, every memory recollected might actually be true and not an elaborate lie set up by the Illuminati to lead people astray-----that is just too damn simple for you.
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Post by mysteryboy on Jul 25, 2007 10:50:32 GMT -5
Angry, wife-beating disturbed inner-child Lennon of '69 is very similair to angry, wife-beating disturbed inner-child Lennon of '63. So similar that they might just be the same person! *GASP* Are you saying that Lennon was beating up Yoko in 1969? I had never heard that, and I don't believe it's true. Yoko certainly would not have put up with that. Just trying to clarify your words.
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Jul 25, 2007 17:13:24 GMT -5
While John may have been a "disturbed inner child"...I highly doubt wife beating was part of his life. He may not have been faithful to either Cynthia or Yoko, but physically abuse doesn't seem like him...although I've never read Cynthia's books to reveal that side of John..
I also wouldn't think Yoko would take any abuse from John, physical or verbal...she's a strong willed woman and I don't think she'd take it...if anything, she'd fight back...
As to who sung YS...I'd have to go back an re listen. Compare it to WALHFMF and see if there is a difference in the voices.
I don't think it was John singing it. John's voice could be like Paul's and John's in the early years...but I would never suspect Ringo.
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Post by plastic paul on Jul 25, 2007 18:16:28 GMT -5
Man, does no one have any respect any more?
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Post by fourthousandholes on Jul 25, 2007 18:53:47 GMT -5
I used to be cruel to my woman I BEAT HER and kept her apart from the things that she loved. Let's see. That would be about.....
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Post by revolver on Jul 25, 2007 19:53:07 GMT -5
I still can't believe somebody at Capitol approved that cover, enough to distribute them to the record stores. What were they smoking? BTW I think those are all the actual Beatles. If that's not Paul in those photos, doesn't that invalidate the original Paul/Faul head size comparision?
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Post by mysteryboy on Jul 25, 2007 20:52:12 GMT -5
I used to be cruel to my woman I BEAT HER and kept her apart from the things that she loved. Let's see. That would be about..... A groupie or Cynthia. POSSIBLY. Or, poetic license. I'm sorry, Lennon was not a wife-beater, at least not after 1966. Of course, he was murdered and cannot defend himself, so I find it a bit distasteful even discussing this.
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Post by mysteryboy on Jul 25, 2007 20:58:02 GMT -5
I still can't believe somebody at Capitol approved that cover, enough to distribute them to the record stores. What were they smoking? BTW I think those are all the actual Beatles. If that's not Paul in those photos, doesn't that invalidate the original Paul/Faul head size comparision? I think that is still JPM, as he has that quasi-melancholy look that I often detect in photos of him. Bill/Faul always seems to have that look in his eyes..I don't quite how how to say it without being dismissive...but it's all in the eyes when all is said and done. I agree with you regarding the Butcher cover. what on earth were they thinking? Perhaps they were just pushing the envelope to see just how much they could get away with. Perhaps it was something more sinister?
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Post by fourthousandholes on Jul 25, 2007 21:50:25 GMT -5
I would have thought it was Paul, based on the notion that the album seems to be focused on him. Paul who "beat his woman". I didn't mean to imply Lennon.
As for the butcher cover, I think crowned joe at TKIN nailed it, even tho' he was delusional. It's Osiris, being cut up into 13 pieces.
Revolver wrote: "I think that is still JPM, as he has that quasi-melancholy look." I think the case for Pepper "Paul" being a composite was made fairly well at TKIN some time ago. I don't know where that thread would be, but the idea was that they blended the features of both.
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Post by revolver on Jul 26, 2007 20:43:37 GMT -5
I would have thought it was Paul, based on the notion that the album seems to be focused on him. Paul who "beat his woman". I didn't mean to imply Lennon. As for the butcher cover, I think crowned joe at TKIN nailed it, even tho' he was delusional. It's Osiris, being cut up into 13 pieces. Revolver Mysteryboy wrote: "I think that is still JPM, as he has that quasi-melancholy look." I think the case for Pepper "Paul" being a composite was made fairly well at TKIN some time ago. I don't know where that thread would be, but the idea was that they blended the features of both. I thought the composite was the cover and the gatefold yellow pepper photo. The red pepper photo used in the PWR comparison came from the 1987 CD. Some have suggested it was stretched, but comparisons to later photos of Bill match pretty well.
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Jul 27, 2007 18:55:20 GMT -5
Getting back to the original theme of this thread, I was thinking about this and when the White Album came out I originally thought Back in the USSR, Why Don't We Do It In The Road and Lady Madonna were sung by Ringo. Well, maybe the voice that sang those songs did Yellow Submarine...
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Post by mommybird on Aug 8, 2007 10:26:45 GMT -5
4000 wrote: I used to be cruel to my woman I BEAT HER and kept her apart from the things that she loved. Let's see. That would be about.....
I know that it's been said that it's about Paul. However, there is no evidence that Paul was ever physically abusive to any of his women. I have read that he was controlling, but just because he was insecure & jealous, doesn't mean that he beat women up. After all, he wasn't that big a man. I would think that most girls going up against a 5ft 8in guy would fight back ! It's not Paul singing "It's Getting Better". It's either one of the other guys imitating him, or a vocal imitator. That song was written by John about himself. He had "Paul" sing it, because at the time noone had scrutinized their lives to the point where it really mattered who sang what. Everything was published as Lennon/McCartney...
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Post by mommybird on Aug 8, 2007 10:33:08 GMT -5
Jude wrote: Angry, wife-beating disturbed inner-child Lennon of '69 is very similair to angry, wife-beating disturbed inner-child Lennon of '63. So similar that they might just be the same person! Mysteryboy wrote: A groupie or Cynthia. POSSIBLY. Or, poetic license. I'm sorry, Lennon was not a wife-beater, at least not after 1966. Of course, he was murdered and cannot defend himself, so I find it a bit distasteful even discussing this. Jude is pretty much on the money with this one. Mysteryboy is also right. I have read that John beat Yoko. That's why she miscarried at least one of their children. This is what I have READ. As we all know, we have to take most of the things written about these men with a grain of salt. John was a very angry & disturbed man for many years. I don't know if he ever resolved his inner demons, or if Yoko kept him doped up to keep him docile. Place your bets... Mysteryboy wrote: I think that is still JPM, as he has that quasi-melancholy look that I often detect in photos of him. Bill/Faul always seems to have that look in his eyes..I don't quite how how to say it without being dismissive...but it's all in the eyes when all is said and done. I have to agree with his assessment on this.Jarv wrote: The song Back In The U.S.S.R. has the line "On the way the paper bag was on my knee / Man I had a dreadful flight." On August 22, 1965, in the wee hours of the morning, The Beatles were on approach to Portland (Oregon) International Airport when their starboard engine burst into flames. John reportedly ran up and down the aisle screaming, "It's Buddy Holly, man!" Back In The U.S.S.R. is a parody of the Beach Boys. After The Beatles landed safely in Portland they played two shows at the Memorial Coliseum. Carl Wilson and Mike Love came to Portland to meet The Beatles back stage. This was the first meeting between Beatles and Beach Boys. They had a dreadful flight and met the Beach Boys all in the same day, back in the U.S., back in the U.S., back . .. This was an excellent post. So, who wrote this song ? Paul ? John ? With John's interest in communism, maybe it was Johnny's song, given to Faul to sing. After all, Faul has nowhere near the same level of talent as the man he has replaced. If he did, the solo work would've exhibited the same degree of excellence.
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Post by Jude on Aug 12, 2007 13:52:12 GMT -5
I guess no one will be 100% sure of whether John beat Yoko or not, just as no one will ever really know if he was a closet homosexual or bisexual (TOO MUCH has been written on that particular subject, unfortunately). I got it from various John Lennon biographies. I'm reading one right now called "Lennon in America" that describes an incident where John literally threw May Pang up against a wall, leaving bruises all over her back.
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Aug 14, 2007 2:35:33 GMT -5
Well, the other theory that could explain the abusive "Lennon" that possibly it was John's double who was abusive and NOT Lennon himself.
And I want to make it clear as a "theory"....because of speculation that Lennon may or may not have had a double...
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Post by plastic paul on Aug 14, 2007 5:48:12 GMT -5
Well, the other theory that could explain the abusive "Lennon" that possibly it was John's double who was abusive and NOT Lennon himself. And I want to make it clear as a "theory"....because of speculation that Lennon may or may not have had a double... I knew that Charlie Brill was a monster from the moment that he had that "Trouble" with the Tribbles!
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Aug 14, 2007 21:40:50 GMT -5
Well, the other theory that could explain the abusive "Lennon" that possibly it was John's double who was abusive and NOT Lennon himself. And I want to make it clear as a "theory"....because of speculation that Lennon may or may not have had a double... I knew that Charlie Brill was a monster from the moment that he had that "Trouble" with the Tribbles! Hey, they don't star you in a film called "The Beast from Budapest" for nothing! That Charlie must be a real devil....
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Post by Rubber Soul on Sept 13, 2013 16:38:12 GMT -5
Ringo sang yellow submarine
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