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Post by beatlies on Jul 20, 2005 1:52:01 GMT -5
It's definitely the goddess Lakshmi - hinduism.about.com/library/weekly/aa100900a.htmThe portrayal exactly matches, also the flower color of the lettering "BEATLES" is the same as the clothing, held flowers, and pedestal lotus of Lakshmi, all red. This may be a tribute to Brian, since Lakshmi is the goddess of success and wealth and in the cover of Sgt. Pepper, if you use a powerful spherical magnifying glass, (glass onion) you can see a golden stream of coins flowing out of one of her front arms; the usual depiction of Lakshmi. Also, as I wrote above, she could be said to resemble a female Paul. Also significant is that Lakshmi is the consort of Lord Vishnu the preserver god. Hollywood was virtually taken over by the burgeoning CIA and Pentagon after McCarthyism in the late 40s/early 50s wiped out so much of the previous talent and creative freedom, when they >>REPLACED<< the old guard with their selections and agents. Terry Melcher was the CIA point man for Doris Day, the Beach Boys, then the Charles Manson spectacles, working the crippled Beatles into the whole psy war show. The CIA/NSA/MI6 occasionally use Masons and other secret societies and occult groups in their operations, but it is the military and government that is in control. Do you know about the P2 lodge? I wonder if maybe George Harrison was trying to tell us something about this --connections between Manson, Gladio, imposed drug culture, the Strategy of Tension ...
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Post by pennylane on Jul 20, 2005 4:49:17 GMT -5
sorry, but i am SO over the Sylvie/Doris/Brian/Frian/CIA/blahblah sh*t.
It's getting BORING! (sorry I just needed to say it, I just don't want this place turning into TKIN)
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Post by missvagabond on Jul 20, 2005 6:00:47 GMT -5
sorry, but i am SO over the Sylvie/Doris/Brian/Frian/CIA/blahblah sh*t. It's getting BORING! (sorry I just needed to say it, I just don't want this place turning into TKIN) Ummm, I honestly get none of that, myself, PennyLane. I don't think it's that big of a conspiracy. There would've been some interest in keeping the Beatles going, sure. But I don't think that the NWO or whatever was involved. I think it could be a lot simpler than all this. While the investigation itself is fine, the "Aluminum Foil Deflector Beanie" stuff really is over my head...
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Post by xpt626 on Jul 20, 2005 6:42:52 GMT -5
sorry, but i am SO over the Sylvie/Doris/Brian/Frian/CIA/blahblah sh*t. It's getting BORING! (sorry I just needed to say it, I just don't want this place turning into TKIN) DITTO. I'm not familiar enough with Sylvie Vartan to offer much of an opinion on her photos. I only see one Doris Day, even in photos from the time periods in question (and I have plenty). Sorry, I don't buy it. After having seen Brian on kinescope ("What's My Line?" and "Hullabaloo"), he does not look like some of the "later" photos I've seen labeled as Brian. the other stuff starts as foolishness and escalates into histrionics. This forum is not going there.
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Post by xpt626 on Jul 20, 2005 6:55:46 GMT -5
...Terry Melcher was the CIA point man for Doris Day, the Beach Boys, then the Charles Manson spectacles, working the crippled Beatles into the whole psy war show. Terry Melcher was a druggie. Period.
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Post by TotalInformation on Jul 20, 2005 11:10:57 GMT -5
Point taken on Lakshmi vs Kali, but I don't see how you get the statue to be a "female Paul." Perhaps you should post an enlargement or something to illustrate what you mean.
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Post by DarkHorse on Jul 24, 2005 11:50:49 GMT -5
Point taken on Lakshmi vs Kali, but I don't see how you get the statue to be a "female Paul." Perhaps you should post an enlargement or something to illustrate what you mean. This type of discussion is best continued in our new section: invanddis.proboards29.com/index.cgi?board=connection
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Post by pennylane on Jul 25, 2005 8:17:09 GMT -5
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Post by NIR Committee on Aug 22, 2005 8:15:41 GMT -5
Another meeting with the person from Liverpool, this is what transpired:
How long did it take the authorities to find Paul's body? How long was he missing?
Not sure.. but there was a missing time period.
What is the significance of the white Volkswagon on the White Album poster and the cover of Abbey Road?
Nothing other than the license plate, don't know of any other significance
Who was it that discovered Paul's body?
Authorities
Were there any rumors of Paul having an illegitimate child? Was he secretly married to Jane Asher?
Yes there was rumour of a little boy. No he and Jane never married.
What is it exactly about "Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds" that makes it the most important song on Sgt Peppers as far as telling the story of Paul's replacement?
Lucy in the sky with Diamonds is a destination. And it's apparently a railway station, where a train will take you somewhere near a shore, then you will take a boat out to the island where Paul's ashes are in a glass urn. She knew someone who was planning on going to the station.. he dissapeared, and she is pretty sure as rumours at the time have it, that it's a commune where there is no government control.
We are curious about Fool on the Hill, were the opening lines done by George, and then Bill's voice blended in? As a matter of fact, a general question about whether there was an interim imitator, or was it just the three remaining Beatles using George Martin's wizardry until Bill was ready. In that vein, We would ask about Denny Laine, what did he do for those five years between leaving an up and coming group and joining Wings?
No knowledge about Denny Laine.. but Fool on the hill, Penny Lane, and Hello Goodbye were done by 3 different people other than Paul or Billy. It was part of the competition to record, so finalists did these recordings.. signed a contract by the crown and were paid a huge sum. Then they slowly morphed Paul's voice into Bill's over a period of time, (there were alot of demos etc..) so no-one would notice the change.
Were callboxes frequently found in England, especially Lancashire, in the 60's? If so, how abundant were they found near the roads or in random, rural places?
In abundance in the suburban areas.. in rural places they are at every Post Office and few scattered here and there.
Other things that were volunteered:
The reason they broke up was because George couldn't cope with it all. Bill wanted out, wanted to go back to his old life, so they said release a mediocore album and fade away. But it didn't happen, so he had to sign for life.. under the proviso that all 4 beatles release a certain amount of solo material to keep the money flowing until they said they could stop. Apparently John got into a lot of hot water over his refusal in the late 70's. The fights and what not were all orchestrated.
Their relationship with Bill was fine. George struggled with it, because he had known Paul practically his whole life as there families were close. John embraced him, but he went weird and started to think that Bill was actually Paul, and it freaked Bill out. After a while John started to self destruct, cause Paul was the only 'real' thing in his life. And he eventually fell apart.
There was a rumour a few weeks before he died that he and Jane had split-up.
His family and Jane and everybody involved had to sign contracts.. and were threatened.
Apparently in the late 70's Bill wanted to out himself, but John talked him out of it saying that they were watching him, and they'd kill him if he did.
Klaus Voorman may have been a passenger in the car along with Martha
(Also appended to the first post)
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Post by lah' mah on Aug 22, 2005 18:37:10 GMT -5
This seems to fit exactly with the pictures JoJo provided of the Sargent Pepper cart going around the town.
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Post by -Wings- on Aug 22, 2005 20:31:43 GMT -5
The whole thing about Paul's voice getting gradually morphed into Bill's and the three different voices makes sense. I still mantain some of the songs from that era could be Paul leftovers (Your Mother Should Know), but none of the voices ever really sound the same until the White Album, when I think the "Paul McCartney and Wings" voice really takes over.
Also, I'm really interested in the descriptions about George and John's mindsets during that time. George sounds spot-on how we had him pegged, and John becoming slightly off-balance would explain so much about the last decade of his life.
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Post by DarkHorse on Aug 22, 2005 20:49:27 GMT -5
I still mantain some of the songs from that era could be Paul leftovers (Your Mother Should Know) YMSK sounds like Paul to me too along with Her Majesty. It's the Liverpool accent still present in the singing voice.
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Post by ReallyReallyDead on Aug 22, 2005 21:44:04 GMT -5
I still mantain some of the songs from that era could be Paul leftovers (Your Mother Should Know) YMSK sounds like Paul to me too along with Her Majesty. It's the Liverpool accent still present in the singing voice. I concur: "Lets all get ohp..."
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Post by JoJo on Aug 24, 2005 17:44:37 GMT -5
The part about Bill wanting to out himself.. maybe so, only he thought better of being direct, but perhaps continued to drop hints in the music. Perhaps that was the conversation they had in the Dakota when they talked of going on Saturday Night Live, and John said no freakin way, are you nuts? This doesn't necessarily disagree with the idea of John getting nutty and thinking Bill was Paul, for one thing, John seemed to have no problem refering to Bill as Paul when talking about the old days, in contrast to Bill's vague 3rd person reminicences. Perhaps John's mental health came and went.. From what Fred Seaman described about the last year, John was on his way to being strong and healthy again, especially after the boat trip to Bermuda, where John was the only one not seasick, and was the only one able to steer the boat through a storm. From there, John's creative muse and confidence were back, and he wrote several songs during his stay. Aside from caving to Yoko and putting her songs on the album, the actual recording process again showed him in charge and on top of things again. Who knows what 1981 would have brought.. The island with the commune, well don't forget that island with a commune off the coast of Ireland that John bought.
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Post by Jai Guru Deva on Aug 24, 2005 18:55:19 GMT -5
This island, where was it located? What port would it be nearest to?
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Post by pennylane on Aug 27, 2005 1:57:20 GMT -5
Also, I'm really interested in the descriptions about George and John's mindsets during that time. George sounds spot-on how we had him pegged, and John becoming slightly off-balance would explain so much about the last decade of his life. I saw something on Anthology.. part 3 I think when they were talking about when Ringo got sick. And GM said "George being the loyal person that he was said "If Ringo's not going, It's not the beatles, I won't do it." And then cut to George and he said "I despised the fact that we couldn't ever make decisions for ourselves.. "no sorry".. but Ringo must go with us.. "no sorry, you'll get a new drummer'' I can't imagine what being told you had to continue without Paul would've been like!
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Post by JoJo on Aug 28, 2005 1:33:10 GMT -5
Another island related story, looking for more info: Sketchbook reveals John Lennon's 'drug-fuelled visions' By Catherine Milner and Mark Inglefield
A COLLECTION of John Lennon sketches depicting the singer's drug-fuelled vision of an island escape from Beatlemania, has come to light at the home of the man who introduced him to Yoko Ono.
John Dunbar, ex-husband of singer Marianne Faithfull, has discovered the drawings inside a jotter he took on a trip to Ireland with Lennon. It is estimated that they could fetch more than £100,000 at auction. "I can't believe it - most of John's drawings are frightful," said Mr Dunbar yesterday.
The journey of Lennon and Dunbar to Ireland typified the surreal adventures of the Beatles and the rock aristocracy in the late Sixties. Mr Dunbar recalls that Lennon had spotted a newspaper advertisement for "an island off Ireland" being sold for £1,000. While attending one of the decade's notorious psychedelic "happenings", the 24 Hour Technicolour Dream party at Alexandra Palace, north London, Lennon determined to buy it. "It was something to do" explained Mr Dunbar.
They flew to Dublin the following morning, from where they travelled across Ireland in a black limousine to Clew Bay on the west coast. There they hired a boat to Dornish Beg - the tiny hummock sticking out of the Atlantic that had caught Lennon's fancy.
But the journey was warped by copious consumption of LSD, and the increasingly chaotic nature of the drawings chart the singer's mental disintegration. The men had started taking the drug at the Technicolour Dream party, said Dunbar, and continued without a break for four or five days.
"I had taken it first as early as 1963 - whereas John had only recently started, so I think he was probably more affected by it. The island was more like a couple of small hills joined by a gravelly bar with a cottage on it.," said Dunbar. "When we got there John sat down and started drawing."
Apart from one Dante-esque drawing covering two pages which features hollowed eyes, ghoulish faces and fat nude females in an incoherent scrawl of lines and squiggles, Lennon drew up architectural plans of a large octagonal tower or lighthouse on the island in which he wanted to live.
He was later privately to admit that he was lucky to have regained his mental equilibrium afterwards
"It was a beautiful spot," says Mr Dunbar. But Lennon never went to live on the island because of his relationship with Yoko Ono. Lennon later gave the island away to a stranger who turned up with his family at Apple, the Beatles' self-founded record company, at a time when the group's hippy ideals made them the target of fleecers. The musicians haemhorraged so much money that Lennon was soon to announce that he was "down to my last £40,000."
The drawings belong to the most controversial period of Lennon and McCartney's songwriting. A few months after Lennon's visit to the island the group released Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds - the source of speculation, because of the title's initials, that it was inspired by LSD. Lennon always insisted that it was prompted by a drawing done by his son, Julian, but the influence of drugs was undeniable.
The recording of A Day In The Life - whose drug references were brazen - was turned into a psychedelic "happening" by the group and their friends. However, Lennon was forced into giving up LSD by the "thousands" of bad trips he experienced. He was later privately to admit that he was lucky to have regained his mental equilibrium afterwards. Many of his friends never did.
His drawings - and the whole Irish escapade - capture the singer's desperation to escape the pressures of fame. In another typical episode, the whole group planned to decamp to live together in Greece.
A London art dealer in the Sixties, Dunbar introduced Lennon to Yoko Ono when she was showing at his gallery. "He lost interest when Yoko appeared on the scene. They eventually moved to the US."
Carey Wallace, Beatles expert at Christies, said: "Anything that gives an insight into his mind is highly sought-after and Beatles' memorabilia is very strong at the moment." www.telegraph.co.uk/htmlContent.jhtml?html=/archive/1996/10/27/nlenn27.html
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Post by JoJo on Aug 28, 2005 2:02:28 GMT -5
www.getintola.nl/index5.htmlJOHN LENNON HIDEAWAY ``````````````````````
John Lennon left a long-forgotten legacy - an island he bought as a hideaway for himself and Yoko Ono. The idyllic island - called Dornish and now worth a fortune - sits in a quiet cove off the coast of southern Ireland at Clew Bay, County Mayo and is uninhabited but for seabirds and sheep. Lennon bought the island in 1968 for $2,500 after being enchanted by the area on a visit with Ronan O'Rahilly, the owner of Radio Caroline. His one and only stay lasted just two weeks.
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Uninhabited? After he gives to someone, and that person does nothing with it, like sell it to developers or something? Don't know enough about the situation of course, but this makes me suspicious. Here you can see Clew Bay: www.countymayo.com/mayo_map.htmYou catch boats to nearby islands at a place near Louisburgh: www.countymayo.com/mayo_knock.htm#LouisburghRoonah Quay, 6.5 km west, is the starting place for boat trips to Clare Island and Inishturk. A beginning, would be nice to find something that fits the description in the song.
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Post by pennylane on Aug 28, 2005 7:38:23 GMT -5
Isn't Mayo near Bangor?
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Post by lili on Mar 9, 2006 15:57:05 GMT -5
Doc is right. Drugs are a messy business. I find the last photo that lenmac posted of John under the John Lennon section, John pics, very interesting. John is wearing a shirt with the pyramid from the back of the $1 bill on it. That all seeing eye at the top of it. There is some writing on his tee-shirt. I don't know what it means.
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Post by mysteryboy on Mar 9, 2006 16:23:48 GMT -5
Doc is right. Drugs are a messy business. I find the last photo that lenmac posted of John under the John Lennon section, John pics, very interesting. John is wearing a shirt with the pyramid from the back of the $1 bill on it. That all seeing eye at the top of it. There is some writing on his tee-shirt. I don't know what it means. I don't recall having posted that drug abuse is good. As a matter of fact, I posted quite the contrary, along the same line of thought as Doc.
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Post by lili on Mar 10, 2006 11:33:11 GMT -5
mysteryboy, you lost me. Are you sure it's what I posted that you are addressing here All I'm talking about is the shirt that John is wearing in another thread mysteryboy posted: I have no problem with this. I know quite a few people who have experimented with LSD & found the experience invaluable. I myself never tried it. I never felt comfortable enough with where my mind was at, to take the plunge. I was always terrified of having a "bad trip", & losing control.
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Post by mysteryboy on Jun 22, 2007 21:44:06 GMT -5
mysteryboy, you lost me. Are you sure it's what I posted that you are addressing here All I'm talking about is the shirt that John is wearing in another thread mysteryboy posted: I have no problem with this. I know quite a few people who have experimented with LSD & found the experience invaluable. I myself never tried it. I never felt comfortable enough with where my mind was at, to take the plunge. I was always terrified of having a "bad trip", & losing control. Not to beat a dead horse but please accept my apologies for the confusion.
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Post by The Deceptionist on Aug 6, 2007 21:49:01 GMT -5
Ok, so I found this site www.mcauley.org.uk/clewbay/index.htmwhich appears to be a school trip taken to the Clew Bay area from this i was able to discover which of the many islands in the bay was John's 'Dornish' pair I think I may be correct with the pictures I've captured from Google Earth in saying that this.... greenleafrecords.110mb.com/images/Dornish.jpg...is John Lennon's magical mystical island paradise edit: why cant I post any of my pictures on these boards?
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Post by il ras on Aug 6, 2007 22:02:24 GMT -5
the image isn't visible
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