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Post by iameye on Feb 12, 2008 18:29:23 GMT -5
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Post by iameye on Feb 12, 2008 19:22:09 GMT -5
version II \\\\ Transcription of Slowly I Turned A classic vaudeville routine as performed by Bud Abbott and Lou Costello (also known as "Poko Moko" and "Niagara Falls") Bud, Lou and derelict in cell: Derelict: I haven't always been a derelect ... (looks at Lou) ... like you. Lou: Don't call me those kind of bad names! Derelict: Would you like to hear my story? Lou: No Derelict: Very well, then I'll tell it to you Bud: Go ahead Derelict: (to Bud) Thank you ... many years ago my father gave me the benefit of a very good education (sad music playing) ... then .. I met her. She was beautiful ... glorious. We were married. two years later - a baby boy. I haven't seen that boy till this very day. Lou: Did you say a little baby boy? Derelict: Yes! Lou: Did he have brown eyes? Derelict: Yes he did! Lou: And two little teeth in the front? Derelict: (Excitedly) Yes, yes! Lou: And black hair? Derelict: Yes! Lou: Daddy! (derelict pushes Lou away) Bud: Oh what's the matter with you? Sit still! Keep quiet. Stop interupting the man! Lou: Well, I thought I found my father! Bud: Quiet! (turns to derelict) - go ahead. Derelict: Thank you. We were very happy, my little family. One morning we were seated around the breakfast table and a knock came at the door. There stood a man. He was broken in health and spirit. I bade him enter, I welcomed him into my home. I said 'make my home your home'...and he did! One day I returned from work to find that home was no longer a home. My wife ... the baby... and the stranger had fled. Then one day ... at the banks of the Poko Moko I found them. Suddenly my brain snapped. All the years of pent up emotion of years suffering welled up within me. I knew I would never be satisfied until I had my bony fingers wrapped around his throat. So with murder in my heart ... slooooooowly I turned (acting this out as he speaks, focusing on Lou), step by step, step by step I crept upon him (creeping towards Lou) and when I saw the stare in his face ... I struck and I grabbed him (Grabs Lou and starts pushing him against the wall and shouting at him) Bud: What's the matter? Why are you interupting the man for? Derelict: My poor friend, I'm sorry. But everytime I hear the word Poko Moko, I just want to kill! Lou: Take it easy pal, take it easy! Bud: See, everytime he hears that word: 'Poko Moko' Derelict: Poko Moko!!!! OOhh, I knew I'd never be satisfied until I had his blood running between my fingers...so slowly I turned (does action) step by step, step by step I crept upon him - and when I saw the streak on his countenance I grabbed him and I couldn't help myself (throws Lou against the wall and begins beating him up) and I was going out my mind (calms down, breathless) Lou: (takes an exaggerated boxing stance) Bud: Stand still! What's the matter with you? The man's telling you his life's history. It's interesting. Derelict: My poor friend! I did it again didn't I? Bud: It's alright, it's alright Derelict: What's happening to me? Lou: It's not happening to you brother, it's all happening over here! Bud: Just ... don't use that word .... Lou: Don't ... don't ... don't ... don't. He means "Pocahontas!" Derelict: (reacts for a second) Lou: (stopping him) Pocahontas!! Bud: Yes, it's alright Lou: Sounds like Coko Moko or something Bud: Shhh! Derelict: Poko Moko! BBBRRRRRR...So slowly I turned! Step by step, step by step (Lou calls out for Bud in a quiet voice) ... and when I crept upon him ... I grabbed him and (again beats Lou and repeatedly slams him into the wall, then throws him across the cell to the other wall knocking his hat off) Bud: (angrily to derelect) Just a minute ... just a minute! Now you've been getting away with murder. Enough is enough. You understand that? I've stood by and watched all this! And I've let you get away with it ... but no more! (bends down and picks up Lou's hat) - These things cost money. Be careful how you handle them!
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Post by nothingthatdoesn'tshow on Feb 14, 2008 16:48:40 GMT -5
I wonder what word set Chapman off? Mind control is a terrible thing to waste.
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Post by iameye on Feb 14, 2008 20:20:53 GMT -5
sez you!
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Post by horseloverphat on Feb 20, 2008 15:50:23 GMT -5
who knows...?
We're pretty sure though, that some of his main programming occurred @ a US military mind control base in 'Maui' (not discounting his Beruit sessions).....I think 'Charles Ng' was possibly programmed there too (Hawaii)....as was Herb Mullin.
Chapman's Hawaiian wife was likely a handler....linked to intel....she controlled his itinerary.
All conjecture of course.
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Post by Doctype on Feb 20, 2008 16:18:37 GMT -5
Word... Perhaps a word set or something of that nature, found in Catcher in the Rye. The same way Manson was set off by the White Album...
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Post by Jude on Feb 22, 2008 6:13:49 GMT -5
who knows...? We're pretty sure though, that some of his main programming occurred @ a US military mind control base in 'Maui' (not discounting his Beruit sessions).....I think 'Charles Ng' was possibly programmed there too (Hawaii)....as was Herb Mullin. Chapman's Hawaiian wife was likely a handler....linked to intel....she controlled his itinerary. All conjecture of course. Err....(1), Chapman's wife is Japanese, not Hawaiian. (2) She's a Christian, and from what I've read, still happily married....to Chapman. (3), Anytime you say that someone was "likely" something when all signs point to the contrary, you lose credibility. Last post, I promise. See you all in a few days....I'm logging off......NOW.
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Post by horseloverphat on Feb 22, 2008 16:31:16 GMT -5
Jeezuz...I'm sorry it doesn't match up to your exacting standards Jude....as this was written in a hurry while I was working. (i'm just too busy at the moment...hence my absence here....the last post was a flying visit...I wasn't expecting 'the posting Gestapo'.) What I was getting at....was the fact that she was his wife...while he was located in Hawaii (and I believe she was more than just a wife...ok) ....her nationality is for the most part, of little concern. (although there are some interesting tie-ins.) btw....she is Japanese-American to be precise. She's a Christian.....So was Adolph Hitler. wtf.....is that supposed to mean or signify...exactly? I'll tell you.....nothing, zip, zilch....aside from perhaps, being more susceptible to propaganda and being programmed. I'm sure you are aware (if not you should be) that 'xtian' front groups and the like (same for other faiths)... make ideal cover for operatives in the field....they are also fertile recruiting grounds too....just ask Jim Jones and his ilk. The YMCA too....has also been suspected as being used as a conduit for intel ops....for what would be obvious reasons. still happily married....to Chapman. Yes they obviously have an ideal marriage.....Jude. The few hours a year that she is allowed to spend with him....is I'm sure an ideal basis for a marriage....! again....the marriage has no real bearing on anything imo...other than it is more likely (if you'll allow me) that she still 'possibly' continues to operate in a handling capacity...to some degree.....and that wouldn't be unusual in mind control scenarios, but I don't know for certain.... obviously. Chapman would be a permanent work in progress....in this respect. all signs point to the contraryAnd what 'signs' would these be....then? I hope you are not referring to your own post....d'oh! Ono's Father worked out in Hawaii too....he was a lawyer there and apparently helped many Japanese living there...at one time. Chapman's mother was also a resident of Hawaii....during Mark's time there. I've also come across suggestions that Chapman's wife was heavily into the 'occult'....much like Ono was.....this was before her switch to Xtianity....which apparently coincided with the start of their relationship. some interesting links.....to peruse. www.textfiles.com/occult/OTO/atlanta.txtwww.maebrussell.com/Mae%20Brussell%20Articles/John%20Lennon%20Assassination.htmlwww.jfkmontreal.com/john_lennon/Chapter02.htmwww.jfkmontreal.com/john_lennon/contents.htmListen Jude....this subject area is not an exact science by any means.....very, very far from it....in fact. The 'all conjecture' disclaimer should've clued you in. Allofitconjecture....lol. I'm just trying to expand on some ideas regarding Chapman being the victim of state sponsored mind control....and attempting to follow the trail, whilst hopefully cutting through much of the 'Bullsh*t'.
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Post by Jude on Mar 1, 2008 12:44:46 GMT -5
If it's all just "conjecture" then I stand by what I said earlier. All signs point to the contrary. The fact that you doubt how happy their marriage is only shows how little you've read up on Chapman. Read "Let Me Take You Down: Inside the Mind of Mark David Chapman, the Man Who Killed John Lennon", will ya? Jack Jones has spent over a decade having one-on-one talks with Chapman within Chapman's own prison cell. You probably don't know half as much about the subject of John Lennon's death as you think you know.
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Post by nothingthatdoesn'tshow on Mar 1, 2008 20:15:30 GMT -5
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Post by B on Mar 1, 2008 20:35:17 GMT -5
Now that was just plain amazing. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Colley_Grattanwww.hollywoodjesus.com/comments_115.htm"SLEEP SAFE AND WARM Subject: Rosemary's Baby Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 From: "bluejay" The song that Rosemary sings at the beginning and end of the film is "Sleep Safe and Warm." A rendition of it with full lyrics was recorded by Claudine Longet. It's available on her Best Of album. The baby's father was played by Dr. Anton Szandor LeVay. He just used the name "Clay Tanner" for the film. I know of no actual groups that act the way the one in "Rosemary's Baby" did.... ...The books that were used in the film were interesting. I've tried to track down the book they used for "All of Them Witches" but to no avail. In the film, Rosemary goes to Samuel Weiser's and buys another copy after Guy throws hers away; she also buys a copy of "The Book of Ceremonial Magic," by Arthur Edward Waite (who also conceived the familiar Rider-Waite Tarot Deck). It contains a history of the origins of white (ceremonial) magic, from the medieval days when priests performed such rites in addition to the regular sacraments. The page she reads in the taxi is on the literary detective work that's been done by various scholars to ascertain who wrote the original books of instructions for white magic. They are usually attributed to Popes such as Honorius, but as the book explains, it's not likely! The phrase about "Many people died under mysterious circumstances during this time..." was inserted for the film. It is not part of the original text. In "All of Them Witches", we see the names Thomas Colley and Prudence Duvernoy. These people are both real. Colley was executed in 1751 not for being a witch, but for leading a mob that murdered an elderly couple believed to be witches. Duvernoy, a milliner, may have been a confidante of Marie duPlessis, the real "Lady of the Camellias" in Dumas' story. Dumas does not refer to witchcraft practiced by Duvernoy, only that she was vulgar and bossy, spoke in a loud brassy voice and acted as a kind of manager for duPlessis..... "------------------------------------------------------------------- www.filmsite.org/rosem3.html"Back at her apartment, before Rosemary can even open the brown-paper-wrapped, unmailed book/package from Hutch, Minnie delivers the daily concoction and asks to hold the parcel, mentioning that she knows Grace's return-address location: "Oh, I know that house. The Gilmore's used to live there...I've been there lots of times. Grace - that's one of my favorite names." After a suspenseful few moments with Minnie, Rosemary finds privacy to slit open the twine-tied package. The book is titled All of Them Witches, with chapters on the practices of various witches including THOMAS COLLEY and PRUDENCE DUVERNOY. One section of the book is underlined - it regards the discovery made by Hutch about the tannis-root: In their rituals, they often use the fungus called Devil's Pepper. This is a spongy matter derived from swampy regions having a strong pungent odor. Devil's Pepper is considered to have special powers. It has been used in rituals and worn on charms. Another chapter is about ADRIAN MARCATO: "Born in Glasgow in 1846, he was soon after brought to New York. He resided for several years in the United States but spent a great deal of time on the Continent...He was educated in England and during the course of his studies, he became interested in Black Magic. Soon, he left England and devoted himself completely to satanism. The peak of his popularity was in 1899 when he claimed to have called forth satan and was attacked by a mob outside the Bramford..." A dog-eared page illustrates a picture of Marcato with his wife and thirteen-year old son Steven (underlined twice). Rosemary contemplates the truth of it all: "There are no witches, not really....The name is an anagram." She retrieves a Scrabble board game and uses the game letters to spell out ALL OF THEM WITCHES, arranging them into: COMES WITH THE FALL, ELF SHOT LAME WITCH, and HOW IS HELL FACT ME (with the letter T unused). Suddenly, she opens the book and sees the word Steven underlined. She spells out STEVEN MARCATO and gradually figures out that an anagram-repositioning spells ROMAN CASTEVET - the son of Adrian Marcato. " (A fictional character) (Or maybe not entirely....)---------------------------------------------------------------------- All You Need is the Beast All You Need is Lovewww.youtube.com/watch?v=BpUunxAkacg
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Post by nothingthatdoesn'tshow on Mar 1, 2008 21:08:04 GMT -5
Great post, B. Thank you.
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Post by iameye on Mar 1, 2008 23:07:11 GMT -5
"All you're really doing is" .....what?
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Post by blackbird on Mar 2, 2008 10:26:03 GMT -5
JUDE SAID: Read "Let Me Take You Down: Inside the Mind of Mark David Chapman, the Man Who Killed John Lennon", will ya? Jack Jones has spent over a decade having one-on-one talks with Chapman within Chapman's own prison cell.
I'm sorry to say I have never read any books about John's murder, I only know what I have read on the Internet.
So. . . . I just ordered the book from Amazon and I'm very anxious to get it !
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Post by skyward on Mar 2, 2008 11:25:20 GMT -5
It is fair to assume that several YouTube accounts are interrelated; IAAP Inc. affiliated, right? aIIofthemwitches, YouKnowMyName231, IAAP, etc.? Then you have had video replies from Jude (RockXLight) and yhshvh10...
IAAP has put forth a lot of info, and now there is the chase for the case, a suitcase, but the other related accounts have gone into more detail regarding the Crowley/Manson links as well as other topics re: the symbology.
What I'm getting at is that there is healthy skepticism regarding the 'agenda' of IAAP, what with the suitcase and how people think that the Rotten Apple series is becoming more about IAAP than PID/PWR. If you're just stuck on the suitcase then you are missing out on all the other tangential videos that have appeared on YouTube.
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Post by Jude on Mar 2, 2008 14:15:00 GMT -5
JUDE SAID: Read "Let Me Take You Down: Inside the Mind of Mark David Chapman, the Man Who Killed John Lennon", will ya? Jack Jones has spent over a decade having one-on-one talks with Chapman within Chapman's own prison cell. I'm sorry to say I have never read any books about John's murder, I only know what I have read on the Internet. So. . . . I just ordered the book from Amazon and I'm very anxious to get it ! I hope you'll find it an interesting read as I did.
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Post by B on Mar 2, 2008 18:37:18 GMT -5
Blackbird, Mark Chapman was a schoolmate of Doc. He has posted a lot here about the case, but perhaps he'll post some more.
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Post by blackbird on Mar 3, 2008 9:03:39 GMT -5
Blackbird, Mark Chapman was a schoolmate of Doc. He has posted a lot here about the case, but perhaps he'll post some more. Thanks, "B" !
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Post by B on Mar 16, 2008 9:17:31 GMT -5
www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23651072/?GT1=43001Forensic experts say of Manson site: Dig Team sets out to recover any Manson victims buried in notorious camps March. 15, 2008 DEATH VALLEY NATIONAL PARK, Calif. - Bone-white stretches of salt, leached up from the lifeless soil, lay like a shroud over the high desert where a paranoid Charles Manson holed up after an orgy of murder nearly four decades ago. Now, as then, few venture into this alkaline wilderness — gold-diggers, outlaws, loners content to live and let live. But a determined group of outsiders recently made the trek. They were leading forensic investigators searching for new evidence of death — clues pointing to possible decades-old clandestine graves. And the results of just-completed follow-up tests suggest bodies could indeed be lying beneath the parched ground. The test findings — described in detail to The Associated Press, which had accompanied the site search — conclude there are two likely clandestine grave sites at Barker Ranch, and one additional site that merits further investigation. Next step, the ad hoc investigators urge: Dig. For years, rumors have swirled about other possible Manson family victims — hitchhikers who visited them at the ranch and were not seen again, runaways who drifted into the camp then fell out of favor. The same jailhouse confessions that helped investigators initially connect the band of misfits living in the Panamint Mountains to the gruesome killings that terrorized Los Angeles hinted at other deaths. Manson follower Susan Atkins boasted to her cell mate on November 1, 1969, that there were "three people out in the desert that they done in." Other stories surfaced. In the absence of bodies, they were forgotten. "We prosecuted Manson and the family for all the murders we could prove. But you know, could he have killed someone else? Possibly. Could another member of the family have killed someone? Sure," said Steve Kay, a former deputy district attorney. Team deployed Last month, equipped with cutting-edge forensic technology, the investigators assembled in the ghost town of Ballarat for a 20-mile ride in all-terrain vehicles to the ranch. The team included two national lab researchers carrying instruments to detect chemical markers of human decomposition, a police investigator with a cadaver-seeking dog, and an anthropologist armed with a magnetic resonance reader. Also in the group were a woman whose life was forever marked by the cult's brutal murder of her pregnant sister, and a gold prospector who was once Manson's closest neighbor and remains intimate with the sharp creases of the Panamints. Prospector Emmett Harder guided the expedition. He had a claim on Manley peak, one of the jagged points looming over Barker Ranch, while the Manson family camped out there in the late 1960s. He shared dinner with the band at times, and gave the men work. During one of these visits he heard Manson say, "We're not hippies; we're here to get away from the troubles of the world." Later, Harder would learn more about the cult leader's belief that the end of the world, which he called "Helter Skelter," was near — and Manson's conviction that through murder, he had a role to play in accelerating that chaotic time. For the last 5 miles of the rugged gravel road from Ballarat, the route tilts sharply upward as it enters narrow Goler Wash. "The family's plan was to make this impassable — you can see how you could do that here," said Sgt. Paul Dostie, a police detective and dog handler from the town of Mammoth Lakes, pointing to the boulders that protrude like bones from the canyon walls. Any of them could be rolled into the wash, blocking passage. Manson's hideouts Barker Ranch was one of several hideouts used by Manson and his followers. The killings that launched the cult onto national newspapers had been orchestrated from Spahn Ranch, a former Western movie set that served as backdrop to episodes of "Bonanza" and "The Lone Ranger." It was to Spahn that the killers initially retreated after the 1969 murders of Gary Hinman on July 31; Sharon Tate, Jay Sebring, Voytek Frykowski, Abigail Folger and Steven Parent on Aug. 9; and Leno and Rosemary LaBianca on Aug. 10. This was to signal the start of the apocalyptic race war that Manson told his followers would pit blacks against whites. He preached that they would emerge from the desert at the end and rule over the survivors. But a daybreak raid on Spahn Ranch on Aug. 16 by Los Angeles sheriff's deputies looking for car thieves netted 26 arrests. All were released a few days later on a technicality — a misdated warrant — but Spahn was no longer safe. Barker Ranch was where Manson withdrew in those last, frenzied days. (continued next post)
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Post by B on Mar 16, 2008 9:22:11 GMT -5
Retracing his steps nearly four decades later, the search group stopped at the dilapidated house. From the porch, the view was clear for miles, broken only by the long twisted stems of creosote bushes and knee-high bunches of desert rabbitbrush.
"After the murder, my mom became a shell of herself," said Debra Tate, who was 17 when her sister, actress Sharon Tate, was killed. Her younger sister Patti was 11. "I filled in at home, as best I could."
Debra Tate's mother, Doris Tate, emerged from years of depression when she heard that a Manson family member was seeking parole.
She gathered 350,000 signatures, helping keep the murderer in prison. She also lobbied successfully to change state law to ensure the rights of victims' family members to make statements during sentencing and parole hearings.
Doris Tate died in 1992. Her youngest daughter, Patti, followed in 2000. Now Debra Tate, 10 years younger than the glamorous, doe-eyed Sharon, whom she grew up admiring, attends the parole hearings alone.
"My mother specifically asked me to carry on," she said, adding, "It's my life."
She has given herself two tasks, she said: making sure her sister's killers never go free, and helping other families find the peace that has eluded her.
"If there are bodies here," she said at the ranch, "we need to find them and send them home."
Areas identified About 100 yards behind the house, Dostie readied his trained dog, Buster, for the search.
"Go find Fred!" Dostie said, releasing the dog on the command that sends him searching for human remains.
The dog bounded away, zigzagging over the terrain. Then he lay down in a depression in the ground, quivering, ears upright. Buster looked at his trainer and emitted a high-pitched whine.
"He's alerting," Dostie said, throwing the dog his reward and planting a flag on the site.
Meanwhile, Arpad Vass and Marc Wise, senior researchers from Tennessee's Oak Ridge National Laboratory, were readying the first of the instruments they'd brought, capable of chemically detecting evidence of decades-old human bodies. It was a hand-held device shaped like a gun.
"It's a crude sniffer," said Vass. "It gives us a quick indication of areas we want to come back to."
The machine detects fluorinated hydrocarbon compounds, one of the approximately 400 types of volatile organic compounds emitted by human bodies during decomposition. Focusing on these compounds is important because Vass believes they're formed as the fluoride added to urban drinking water is released after death.
Their presence helps differentiate a human bone from bones from wild animals, explained Vass, who has spent years developing a decomposition odor database using bodies donated to the Oak Ridge lab.
The instrument beeped at regular intervals. As it approached the ground, the beeping accelerated until it was a steady stream of sound.
"That's impressive," said Wise, a senior researcher at Oak Ridge specializing in environmental analytical chemistry. Vass agreed.
Reading molecular profiles Using a thin, 3-foot long probe, Vass tested the soil in the area. It slid into the ground without much effort.
"Undisturbed soil isn't this easy to probe," he said.
"The loose soil area is roughly like this," he said, using the tip of the instrument to draw a long oval on the ground. "It's about three feet deep." "We need to do an IR," he said, turning to Wise.
He was calling for the next piece of machinery — larger and heavier, but more specific. It could be calibrated to detect different compounds, using technology known as infrared spectroscopy to "read" a particular molecule's profile.
"We're getting the highest hits here, where the ground is soft," said Wise. "There's definitely something down there," he said. "We just can't know yet exactly what until we dig."
"Or who," said Vass.
The men crouched close to the ground, gathering three samples of dirt from each area of interest for further analysis using more finely tuned lab equipment that could not be brought into the field.
The group broke for lunch. Dostie shared bread and cold cuts in front of the ranch house where Manson was finally arrested, in October 1969, after being found crammed in a bathroom cabinet.
Afterward, Daniel Larson took up his part of the investigation. An archaeologist at California State University, Long Beach, Larson has used Ground Penetrating Radar and a magnetometer — an instrument that can peer 12 feet into the ground — in archaeological work and to help find burial sites.
At Barker Ranch, he took 5,327 readings of the ground at the suspect site, stopping every four inches within a 26-by-20-foot grid, looking for discrepancies that indicated earth had been moved.
"What I'm looking for is the pit, not the bones," he explained.
He'll have to return later to use the Ground Penetrating Radar. The soil still held some moisture from recent storms, and that could disturb the results.
Memories of Manson Watching the scientists do their work, Harder spoke of his memories of the Manson clan — the churlish, armed young men, the pretty girls with blank, doll-like expressions.
"I didn't feel real easy around them," he said. "They picked up all kinds of people — hitchhikers and stuff."
He particularly remembers two teenage runaways who escaped the ranch, then stopped at a nearby mining camp for food. They had enough fear in them to make it out of the rugged mountains barefoot, said Harder.
They turned themselves in to the California Highway Patrol at the mouth of Anvil Springs Canyon — booked as Stephanie Jean Schram, 17, a runaway from Anaheim, and Kathryn Rene Lutesinger, 17, a runaway from Los Angeles, on Oct. 10, 1969.
"Both females stated that they were attempting to run away from 'Charlie' the leader of the 'family' and that they were afraid of their lives," read the CHP report.
Their fear was well-founded. Following the police raid on Spahn Ranch in August, Manson and the family killed ranch hand Donald "Shorty" Shea for "snitching" and buried him out there.
That body wasn't found until more than eight years later.
"I dug it up myself" about a quarter-mile behind the ranch house, said Sgt. Bill Gleason, a now-retired homicide investigator with the Los Angeles Sheriff's Department. Rumors of more deaths "There were rumors of other deaths, minors killed out in Death Valley," said Gleason, who took part in the original Spahn Ranch raid. "We just didn't have anything concrete to link to the Manson family."
The runaway girls didn't know how close they'd come to becoming another one of these rumors.
The day they turned themselves in, CHP officers headed to Barker Ranch for the first of what would be two car theft raids.
On their way, they arrested two men — booked as Gary Milton Tufts and Randy J. Mourglea — whom they found asleep at the mouth of Goler Wash, a sawed-off shotgun between them. They were from Barker Ranch, CHP said.
When told of the arrests, both girls told officers they believed the armed men were sent "to stop them from walking away," according to CHP's report.
Were others less lucky when they tried to escape?
Vass said that, considering the quantity and the types of markers of human decomposition found, the cadaver dog's response, and the probing exercise, he found enough evidence to warrant further testing at a deeper level and a full-scale excavation at Barker Ranch, according to the report he issued to law enforcement.
"I'd recommend a dig, excavate the sites," said Dostie, who reviewed the report.
But if a body is found on the Barker Ranch, then what?
The likelihood of a new prosecution appears slim. Locating remains would be just the first step, said Patrick Sequeira, the Los Angeles County deputy district attorney who has been in charge of the Manson family parole hearings since Kay's retirement.
"You have to tie them to someone who has disappeared, and there were a lot of people floating in and out of the family environment who were runaways, or hiding out," he said.
Then investigators would have to find out who killed them, where, and who could testify, he said.
The Manson family members currently in prison are already serving life sentences — the maximum penalty allowed at the time the crimes were committed.
Still, Sequeira did not discourage the efforts of the crime scene re-investigators. "I'd love to see them put something together," he said.
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Post by nothingthatdoesn'tshow on Jul 9, 2008 15:23:08 GMT -5
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Post by kvo on Jun 6, 2022 10:28:32 GMT -5
Now that was just plain amazing. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Colley_Grattanwww.hollywoodjesus.com/comments_115.htm"SLEEP SAFE AND WARM Subject: Rosemary's Baby Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 From: "bluejay" The song that Rosemary sings at the beginning and end of the film is "Sleep Safe and Warm." A rendition of it with full lyrics was recorded by Claudine Longet. It's available on her Best Of album. The baby's father was played by Dr. Anton Szandor LeVay. He just used the name "Clay Tanner" for the film. I know of no actual groups that act the way the one in "Rosemary's Baby" did.... ...The books that were used in the film were interesting. I've tried to track down the book they used for "All of Them Witches" but to no avail. In the film, Rosemary goes to Samuel Weiser's and buys another copy after Guy throws hers away; she also buys a copy of "The Book of Ceremonial Magic," by Arthur Edward Waite (who also conceived the familiar Rider-Waite Tarot Deck). It contains a history of the origins of white (ceremonial) magic, from the medieval days when priests performed such rites in addition to the regular sacraments. The page she reads in the taxi is on the literary detective work that's been done by various scholars to ascertain who wrote the original books of instructions for white magic. They are usually attributed to Popes such as Honorius, but as the book explains, it's not likely! The phrase about "Many people died under mysterious circumstances during this time..." was inserted for the film. It is not part of the original text. In "All of Them Witches", we see the names Thomas Colley and Prudence Duvernoy. These people are both real. Colley was executed in 1751 not for being a witch, but for leading a mob that murdered an elderly couple believed to be witches. Duvernoy, a milliner, may have been a confidante of Marie duPlessis, the real "Lady of the Camellias" in Dumas' story. Dumas does not refer to witchcraft practiced by Duvernoy, only that she was vulgar and bossy, spoke in a loud brassy voice and acted as a kind of manager for duPlessis..... "------------------------------------------------------------------- www.filmsite.org/rosem3.html"Back at her apartment, before Rosemary can even open the brown-paper-wrapped, unmailed book/package from Hutch, Minnie delivers the daily concoction and asks to hold the parcel, mentioning that she knows Grace's return-address location: "Oh, I know that house. The Gilmore's used to live there...I've been there lots of times. Grace - that's one of my favorite names." After a suspenseful few moments with Minnie, Rosemary finds privacy to slit open the twine-tied package. The book is titled All of Them Witches, with chapters on the practices of various witches including THOMAS COLLEY and PRUDENCE DUVERNOY. One section of the book is underlined - it regards the discovery made by Hutch about the tannis-root: In their rituals, they often use the fungus called Devil's Pepper. This is a spongy matter derived from swampy regions having a strong pungent odor. Devil's Pepper is considered to have special powers. It has been used in rituals and worn on charms. Another chapter is about ADRIAN MARCATO: "Born in Glasgow in 1846, he was soon after brought to New York. He resided for several years in the United States but spent a great deal of time on the Continent...He was educated in England and during the course of his studies, he became interested in Black Magic. Soon, he left England and devoted himself completely to satanism. The peak of his popularity was in 1899 when he claimed to have called forth satan and was attacked by a mob outside the Bramford..." A dog-eared page illustrates a picture of Marcato with his wife and thirteen-year old son Steven (underlined twice). Rosemary contemplates the truth of it all: "There are no witches, not really....The name is an anagram." She retrieves a Scrabble board game and uses the game letters to spell out ALL OF THEM WITCHES, arranging them into: COMES WITH THE FALL, ELF SHOT LAME WITCH, and HOW IS HELL FACT ME (with the letter T unused). Suddenly, she opens the book and sees the word Steven underlined. She spells out STEVEN MARCATO and gradually figures out that an anagram-repositioning spells ROMAN CASTEVET - the son of Adrian Marcato. " (A fictional character) (Or maybe not entirely....)---------------------------------------------------------------------- All You Need is the Beast All You Need is Lovewww.youtube.com/watch?v=BpUunxAkacgAnd this is strange. "The Gilmore's used to live there". This is the same way "Gilmore" is spelled my recent post about the film Happy Gilmore, where Gilmore is run down by a Beatle bug car. A body falling on a Beatle bug in Rosemary's Baby?
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