Video - alt take on ADITL

[lenmac]

Wow, thanks *blushes* i have thousands of pics saved to CD .
Right click save is your friend ;D. But that pic is one of a series taken i think in 1963 in Margate. I call them the pool pics.

[iameye]

Let's call them the Watergate photos

[The Deceptionist]

i KNEw i'd seen it somewhere before good work lenmac!! ;D

[percythrillington]

Very nice, Lenmac, good work

[LOVELYRITA]

Lenmac, that's the one I was thinking of...it's as if you were reading my mind....

I knew I saw that one before....however, the one where it looks like the body of Paul tossed over something...that's creepy.

[B]

nothing to get hung about

[LOVELYRITA]

To think that someone who brought so much pleasure with his music ends up in a dumpster...that's disgusting for the perpetrators, and tragic to his untimely death.

[GN]

I think that sequence means: what happened - where it happened.

The Winged Lion is the symbol of Venice but THAT lion has a "Stars and Stripes" ball under his hand.
So, yes Venice, but that in the U.S.A.



en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Venice-CA-Canal-1921.jpg

Here it is Venice, Los Angeles, with its roller coaster.

Tuesday, August 23, 1966 night.

The Beatles were flying from New York to Los Angeles.
The day after George and others stayed on the Blue Jay Way - Beverly Hills - waiting for.

That's OFFICIAL Chronology.
That's what they told us in plain TEXT >CODE<

[B]

That's intriguing detective work, GN. Well done.

[brotherdave]

[65if2007]

gniknus said:

I think that sequence means: what happened - where it happened.

The Winged Lion is the symbol of Venice but THAT lion has a "Stars and Stripes" ball under his hand.
So, yes Venice, but that in the U.S.A.



en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Venice-CA-Canal-1921.jpg

Here it is Venice, Los Angeles, with its roller coaster.

Tuesday, August 23, 1966 night.

The Beatles were flying from New York to Los Angeles.
The day after George and others stayed on the Blue Jay Way - Beverly Hills - waiting for.

That's OFFICIAL Chronology.
That's what they told us in plain TEXT >CODE<

1) An August 23, 1966 date of death is incompatible with the live Paul McCartney at the September 1966 Melody Maker award ceremony -- and yes that does look like the real JPM to me at that award ceremony.

It is certainly incompatible with the bona fide JPM that briefly speaks with the British interviewer at Heathrow Airport on August 31, 1966 in Rotten Apple 30 and in the following video.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJ2aL5-rWkM

2) As a rule, the clues point to an automobile accident, not a roller coaster accident.

And if anything, they point to a time in September 1966. I ONE IX and the "September 12" on Eleanor Rigby's tombstone (on which the imprint of a left-handed guitar player is stencilled) are probably the most intriguing clues in terms of a possible date.

August 1966 simply seems out of the question.

3) The "Cream of Beatles" indicators seem spurious and more a product of the creator's guesswork or speculation or imagination than anything else. It has already been established in this very discussion group that what might otherwise have looked like the head of a dead JPM turned out to have been cut and pasted from an earlier photo of a very live JPM enjoying himself in a swimming pool with the other Beatles.

This photo or drawing of a corpse who may or may not have been JPM (if it isn't just a mannequin) draped over what may or may not be a roller coaster ride is likely to be in the same vein.

Most important,

4) The amusement park on the Venice pier -- portrayed in your vintage 1921 photo -- was torn down and the rollercoaster dismantled in 1946.

It could not have been the scene of a fatal accident involving JPM in 1966.

There were other amusement parks in the Los Angeles area in 1966, but your interpretation rules out anything other than an incident taking place at an amusement park in Venice -- which again had already ceased to exist by 1946.

In any event, it's hard to imagine a fatal accident involving JPM taking place at an amusement park in the entertainment capital of the world being hushed up.

An automobile accident taking place in the early morning hours of a deserted road in London being hushed up is considerably more plausible.

[plastic paul]

Not to be funny GN but is the "Winged Lion" an actual symbol of Venice?

It also appears to be a symbol of St. Mark, but I haven't yet found a reference to "Stars and Stripes", I hope you can prove me wrong.

[65if2007]

plasticpaul said:

Not to be funny GN but is the "Winged Lion" an actual symbol of Venice?

It also appears to be a symbol of St. Mark, but I haven't yet found a reference to "Stars and Stripes", I hope you can prove me wrong.

I believe that he is referring to the design on the ball underneath the lion's foot.

That actually looks as though it more closely resembles the "Stars and Bars" of one of the flags of the Confederate States of America, but I don't think that either the "Stars and Stripes" or the "Stars and Bars" are supposed to be represented by that design.

[JoJo]

Aug 23-24 In the air to L.A., land around 2AM.

Aug 24: Early AM: Settle in at Curson Terrace home, where they stayed a year before.

Aug 25: Revolver press conference. (daytime)

Thing is.. It seems rather hard to believe that something happened between the time they unpacked their luggage early on the 24th and the time they all appeared the next day to a widely reported (and filmed) press conference, hardly looking like they were dealing with the shocking death of Paul.. Not to mention that Paul was there.. Say he's a replacement if you like, but well.. the logistics of that are beyond belief!

[fireman]

brotherdave said:

BD, nice connection! What year is that photo from?

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(also, love the awesome new avatar!)

[GN]

plasticpaul said:

Not to be funny GN but is the "Winged Lion" an actual symbol of Venice?

It also appears to be a symbol of St. Mark, but I haven't yet found a reference to "Stars and Stripes", I hope you can prove me wrong.

You are "hopefully" wrong.

europeforvisitors.com/venice/articles/winged_lion_of_st_mark.htm

"The local religious and civic authorities quickly elected St. Mark as Venice's patron saint, and the apostle's traditional symbol--a winged lion--became the logo of the Venetian Republic."

[GN]

65if2007 said:

1) An August 23, 1966 date of death is incompatible with the live Paul McCartney at the September 1966 Melody Maker award ceremony -- and yes that does look like the real JPM to me at that award ceremony.

It is certainly incompatible with the bona fide JPM that briefly speaks with the British interviewer at Heathrow Airport on August 31, 1966 in Rotten Apple 30 and in the following video.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJ2aL5-rWkM

The title of that YouTube video is "Beatles in Airport, 1966"
No date reported.
Yes, I think it's Paul but I am not "sure" about the actual date of that footage.

65if2007 said:

2) As a rule, the clues point to an automobile accident, not a roller coaster accident.

And if anything, they point to a time in September 1966. I ONE IX and the "September 12" on Eleanor Rigby's tombstone (on which the imprint of a left-handed guitar player is stencilled) are probably the most intriguing clues in terms of a possible date.

August 1966 simply seems out of the question.

www.geocities.com/~Beatleboy1/db1966.0822.beatles.html



Take a look at those photos:
On the left Paul among the Fabs at NY interview on August 22th 1966.

On the right Faul "on the road" wearing the same dress and a weird wig.
Very telling.

I still believe that Paul McCartney was "OPP" on September 11th 1966 and buried "in the sky" on September 12th 1966

65if2007 said:

3) The "Cream of Beatles" indicators seem spurious and more a product of the creator's guesswork or speculation or imagination than anything else. It has already been established in this very discussion group that what might otherwise have looked like the head of a dead JPM turned out to have been cut and pasted from an earlier photo of a very live JPM enjoying himself in a swimming pool with the other Beatles.

This photo or drawing of a corpse who may or may not have been JPM (if it isn't just a mannequin) draped over what may or may not be a roller coaster ride is likely to be in the same vein.

So it's a mannequin, just an accident reconstruction.... about what accident?

The swimming pool photo was used because (maybe) it was needed a photo of Paul where he had wet hair... like that "mannequin".

If the condition of Paul's face was like "that mannequin's" left arm (on our right) so the real photo was replaced with that of swimming pool "'cause he was so hard to see"

65if2007 said:

Most important,

4) The amusement park on the Venice pier -- portrayed in your vintage 1921 photo -- was torn down and the rollercoaster dismantled in 1946.

It could not have been the scene of a fatal accident involving JPM in 1966.

There were other amusement parks in the Los Angeles area in 1966, but your interpretation rules out anything other than an incident taking place at an amusement park in Venice -- which again had already ceased to exist by 1946.

In any event, it's hard to imagine a fatal accident involving JPM taking place at an amusement park in the entertainment capital of the world being hushed up.

An automobile accident taking place in the early morning hours of a deserted road in London being hushed up is considerably more plausible.

A view from Venice Beach, Los Angeles, U.S.A. , TODAY.

[mommybird]

That photo is no mannequin.

[65if2007]

mommybird said:

That photo is no mannequin.

Really? How do you know?

I'm not saying that it is or it isn't a mannequin. But it certainly isn't distinguishable as JPM or anyone else.

I still don't see why should anyone trust it. It comes from the same source that manipulated a picture of JPM in a swimming pool to look as if he were lying in state.

[65if2007]

gniknus said:

65if2007 said:

1) An August 23, 1966 date of death is incompatible with the live Paul McCartney at the September 1966 Melody Maker award ceremony -- and yes that does look like the real JPM to me at that award ceremony.

It is certainly incompatible with the bona fide JPM that briefly speaks with the British interviewer at Heathrow Airport on August 31, 1966 in Rotten Apple 30 and in the following video.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJ2aL5-rWkM

The title of that YouTube video is "Beatles in Airport, 1966"
No date reported.
Yes, I think it's Paul but I am not "sure" about the actual date of that footage.

The day that they returned to England from their last tour in 1966 is easily established.

www.geocities.com/~Beatleboy1/db1966.0822.beatles.html



Take a look at those photos:
On the left Paul among the Fabs at NY interview on August 22th 1966.

On the right Faul "on the road" wearing the same dress and a weird wig.
Very telling.

I still believe that Paul McCartney was "OPP" on September 11th 1966 and buried "in the sky" on September 12th 1966

That doesn't speak to August 1966 and it is simply not conceivable that something like this could have been hushed up while they were still touring and in the constant eye of the media.

So it's a mannequin, just an accident reconstruction.... about what accident?

Quite simply, that could be an entirely staged scene. The mannequin or the corpse or whatever it is is not distinguishable as JPM or anyone else, and the individual responsible for that picture is not trustworthy.

The swimming pool photo was used because (maybe) it was needed a photo of Paul where he had wet hair... like that "mannequin".

If the condition of Paul's face was like "that mannequin's" left arm (on our right) so the real photo was replaced with that of swimming pool "'cause he was so hard to see"

The point is that it is not a photo of JPM lying in state. It is a photo of JPM in a swimming pool MASQUERADING as a photo of JPM lying in state.

Once again, I am completely open-minded on the issue of whether or not JPM is dead, but I also think that it is clear that these photos and the individual responsible for them are untrustworthy.

65if2007 said:

Most important,

4) The amusement park on the Venice pier -- portrayed in your vintage 1921 photo -- was torn down and the rollercoaster dismantled in 1946.

It could not have been the scene of a fatal accident involving JPM in 1966.

There were other amusement parks in the Los Angeles area in 1966, but your interpretation rules out anything other than an incident taking place at an amusement park in Venice -- which again had already ceased to exist by 1946.

In any event, it's hard to imagine a fatal accident involving JPM taking place at an amusement park in the entertainment capital of the world being hushed up.

An automobile accident taking place in the early morning hours of a deserted road in London being hushed up is considerably more plausible.

A view from Venice Beach, Los Angeles, U.S.A. , TODAY.[/quote]


Do you live in the Los Angeles area?

I lived in the area for 35 years.

That's a picture of the Santa Monica pier.

The picture may have been TAKEN FROM Venice Beach, which is nearby, but it's a picture of the Santa Monica pier.

The amusement park on the Santa Monica pier -- Pacific Park -- which did not open until 1996, in any event, is situated in the city of Santa Monica and not in the city of Venice. Your analysis REQUIRES that an accident on a roller coaster have taken place in the city of Venice and nowhere else.

The amusement park in Venice that was in the vintage 1921 photo attached to your last post had long been closed down by 1966.

The Beatles arrival to Los Angeles in 1966 must have been the major media event for every daily newspaper, every show biz publication, and every TV network in town -- and in Los Angeles, that covers a lot of ground.

Paul McCartney may or may not have died unnoticed at some time in 1966, but I PROMISE you that he didn't die unnoticed in the Los Angeles area.

[JoJo]

gniknus said:

Take a look at those photos:
On the left Paul among the Fabs at NY interview on August 22th 1966.

On the right Faul "on the road" wearing the same dress and a weird wig.
Very telling.

The b/w picture is from when they were in the the Philippines. My take on it is he liked that shirt/jacket combo..

There are ample stills of the Beatles landing and deplaning on August 31, not much video/audio, because they did get out of there within a few minutes. That can suggest something if you like, IMO they were sick of the press/attention.

[brotherdave]

1967
And thanks ;D

fireman said:

brotherdave said:

BD, nice connection! What year is that photo from?

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(also, love the awesome new avatar!)

[Paul Bearer]

gniknus said:

Take a look at those photos:
On the left Paul among the Fabs at NY interview on August 22th 1966.

On the right Faul "on the road" wearing the same dress and a weird wig.
Very telling.

IMO, the photo on the right is JPM but it has been stretched/doctoered to look more like Faul. Therefore, not "pure" vintage.

[GN]

65if2007 said:

gniknus said:

The title of that YouTube video is "Beatles in Airport, 1966"
No date reported.
Yes, I think it's Paul but I am not "sure" about the actual date of that footage.

The day that they returned to England from their last tour in 1966 is easily established.








That doesn't speak to August 1966 and it is simply not conceivable that something like this could have been hushed up while they were still touring and in the constant eye of the media.









Quite simply, that could be an entirely staged scene. The mannequin or the corpse or whatever it is is not distinguishable as JPM or anyone else, and the individual responsible for that picture is not trustworthy.








The point is that it is not a photo of JPM lying in state. It is a photo of JPM in a swimming pool MASQUERADING as a photo of JPM lying in state.

Once again, I am completely open-minded on the issue of whether or not JPM is dead, but I also think that it is clear that these photos and the individual responsible for them are untrustworthy.





A view from Venice Beach, Los Angeles, U.S.A. , TODAY.

65if2007 said:

Do you live in the Los Angeles area?

I lived in the area for 35 years.

That's a picture of the Santa Monica pier.

The picture may have been TAKEN FROM Venice Beach, which is nearby, but it's a picture of the Santa Monica pier.

The amusement park on the Santa Monica pier -- Pacific Park -- which did not open until 1996, in any event, is situated in the city of Santa Monica and not in the city of Venice. Your analysis REQUIRES that an accident on a roller coaster have taken place in the city of Venice and nowhere else.

The amusement park in Venice that was in the vintage 1921 photo attached to your last post had long been closed down by 1966.

The Beatles arrival to Los Angeles in 1966 must have been the major media event for every daily newspaper, every show biz publication, and every TV network in town -- and in Los Angeles, that covers a lot of ground.

Paul McCartney may or may not have died unnoticed at some time in 1966, but I PROMISE you that he didn't die unnoticed in the Los Angeles area.

... He roller-coaster he got early warning ...

... Wednesday morning papers didn't come ...

Nice answer 65if2007.

[65if2007]

gniknus said:

65if2007 said:

The day that they returned to England from their last tour in 1966 is easily established.








That doesn't speak to August 1966 and it is simply not conceivable that something like this could have been hushed up while they were still touring and in the constant eye of the media.









Quite simply, that could be an entirely staged scene. The mannequin or the corpse or whatever it is is not distinguishable as JPM or anyone else, and the individual responsible for that picture is not trustworthy.








The point is that it is not a photo of JPM lying in state. It is a photo of JPM in a swimming pool MASQUERADING as a photo of JPM lying in state.

Once again, I am completely open-minded on the issue of whether or not JPM is dead, but I also think that it is clear that these photos and the individual responsible for them are untrustworthy.





A view from Venice Beach, Los Angeles, U.S.A. , TODAY.

65if2007 said:

Do you live in the Los Angeles area?

I lived in the area for 35 years.

That's a picture of the Santa Monica pier.

The picture may have been TAKEN FROM Venice Beach, which is nearby, but it's a picture of the Santa Monica pier.

The amusement park on the Santa Monica pier -- Pacific Park -- which did not open until 1996, in any event, is situated in the city of Santa Monica and not in the city of Venice. Your analysis REQUIRES that an accident on a roller coaster have taken place in the city of Venice and nowhere else.

The amusement park in Venice that was in the vintage 1921 photo attached to your last post had long been closed down by 1966.

The Beatles arrival to Los Angeles in 1966 must have been the major media event for every daily newspaper, every show biz publication, and every TV network in town -- and in Los Angeles, that covers a lot of ground.

Paul McCartney may or may not have died unnoticed at some time in 1966, but I PROMISE you that he didn't die unnoticed in the Los Angeles area.

... He roller-coaster he got early warning ...

... Wednesday morning papers didn't come ...

Nice answer 65if2007.

Are you sure that Paul didn't die of a drug overdose?

Because, after all, he also shoot coca-cola.

The lyrics of "Come Together" are certainly intriguing for PID/PWR purposes, but if it's physically and chronologically impossible for Paul to have died in a roller coaster accident in Los Angeles, then the lyrics don't magically overcome those barriers.

Again, what clues there are overwhelmingly refer to an automobile accident.