Youknowmyname231/GLRUK

[iameye]

well letter b, what more can I say?




I forgot about this date 1/22/08 guys, noted in B's friend's site.


,,,,,,, "Comet Holmes - currently doing a big loop in the sky and about to pass right in front of the bright star Algol, traditionally representing the eye of the monster Medusa, also called the 'Demon Star'. Holmes will in a sense become the 'demon eye' around January 22nd."


wow. won't be long!

[iameye]

STE Jean in Lyon (on the Hill)

what is she holding? not really a sword, is it?

side trip to LYON, enjoy the view on the right.
where earth meets water a shrine to st Georges? why? why the dragon's tower and ferris wheel?

After the Revolution, the church received an assembly of statues made of polychromatic wood, dating from the 15th and the 16th centuries and coming from the Saint-Martin-des-Champs chapel, destroyed during that period.

standing up for the champion just kidding ;D

[tafultong]

#10 appears to be Square #9

www.youtube.com/watch?v=qr0eCZoEoFw

[iameye]

tafultong said:

#10 appears to be Square #9

www.youtube.com/watch?v=qr0eCZoEoFw

and about the Moon: THE MOON
Basic Card Symbols

A full moon (with a crescent within), twin pillars, two dogs/wolves howling, a stream that runs to the ocean, a crayfish emerging out of the water.

Basic Tarot Story
aeclectic.net/tarot/basics/moon.shtml

"Following the star the Fool travels through the night. The full Moon rises, illuminating for him a watery path. And he begins to feel disoriented, as if walking in his sleep. He passes under the moon, between two pillars ancient and strange. Suddenly, he looks around to find himself in another land entirely. When he was in the presence of the High Priestess, he saw hints of this dark land though the sheer veil draped behind her throne. And later, when he hung from the tree, he felt himself between the physical world and this one. Now, he has at last passed behind the veil. Here are the mysteries he sought, at least, here are the dark mysteries, ones that have to do with the most primal and ancient powers, powers of nature, not of civilization. It is a land poets, artists, musicians and madmen know well, a terrifying, alluring place, with very different rules. Wolves, howling in homage to the moon, run wild across this land, hunting along side maidens with bow and arrows; and creatures from childhood nightmares and fantasies peer from shadows, eyes glowing.

The path the Fool was walking is now a river, and he stands hip-deep in the powerful pull of its salty, moonlit waters. There is, on the nearby shore, a small boat, but it has no rutter, no oar. The Fool realizes he has only two choices. He can lose himself in this desolate, primal land of madness and illusion, howl with the wolves, be hunted down, or he can get into the boat, and trust himself to the river. The moon will be in control either way, but in the boat, his surrender to the powers of the unconscious and the natural world will at least take him somewhere. As the artists and poets and magicians know, inspiration, visions, genius, Moon magic, are the rewards of such surrender. The Fool gets into the boat, and shoves off. As the waters sweep him away, moon beams light his "path" and he feels the Mistress of this dark land gazing down at him with the High Priestess's approving eyes.

Basic Meaning

With Pisces as its ruling sign, the Moon is all about visions and illusions, madness, genius and poetry. This is a card that has to do with sleep, and so with both dreams and nightmares. It is a scary card in that it warns that there might be hidden enemies, tricks and falsehoods. But it should also be remembered that this is a card of great creativity, of powerful magic, primal feelings and intuition. The Querent who gets this card should be warned that they may be going through a time of emotional and mental trial; if they have any past mental problems, they must be vigilant in taking their medication. They should avoid drugs or alcohol, as abuse of either will cause them irreparable damage. This time however, can also result in great creativity, psychic powers, visions and insight. They can and should trust their intuition.

Thirteen's Observations

This is the card of that scary, dreamy, secret otherworld where lies the most powerful and dark magics. Primal magics. It is the card that you'd get for Jackson Pollack types, switching between being wild, mean, crazy drunks and creative geniuses. They have wicked mood swings, dark, dark, dark depressions, charming manic modes. They have no inhibitions, don't even try to behave themselves in polite society, their crazy behavior sometimes inspired, sometimes horribly embarrassing, even unbelievable, even dangerous. But the art, poetry, music they produce....it's magic. When I get this card, I let the Querent know they're in for an emotional and mental rollercoaster ride. They can do two things, either wander through this crazy, lunatic landscape howling at the moon (get drunk, wallow in depression, alienate friends and family with wild, antisocial behavior), or get in a boat and go through it purposefully (paint something!)."



Symbolism

Wiki
"Two large, foreboding pillars are shown. Some see them as tombstones, others relate them to Karma.
Two wild beasts howl at the moon.
A crayfish appears in the water.
The Moon is "shedding the moisture of fertilizing dew in great drops" (Waite). These are numbered 15 in the Rider-Waite deck and are Yodh-shaped. On this basis, some associate this card with impregnation.
[edit]Rider-Waite specific
Very clearly, the figure in the moon is frowning, reflecting displeasure.
The waxing moon has 16 chief rays and 16 secondary rays.
The beasts are, according to Waite's PKT, a dog and a wolf, which represent the fears of the natural mind.
The crayfish crawls from the water unto the land.
There's a pathway into the distant, dark unknown."




hey B, maybe you wuz rite about the kisses!

[B]

"I let the Querent know they're in for an emotional and mental rollercoaster ride[/color]."

[B]

If 6 Was 9
Jimi Hendrix

hear it: www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsCUopuxsxU

(Yeah)
(Sing the song)
If the sun refused to shine,
I dont mind, I dont mind.
(yeah)
If the mountains, ah, fell in the sea,
Let it be, it aint me.
(well, all right)

Got my own world to live through and, uh, ha !
And I ain't gonna copy you!

Yeah (sing the song brother...)
Now if a six, uh huh, turned out to be nine,
Oh I dont mind; I dont mind uh - ( well all right... )
If all the hippies cut off all their hair,
Oh I dont care, oh I dont care.
Dig.

'Cause I've got my own world to live through, and uh, huh
And I ain't gonna copy you.

White collar conservative flashin' down the street;
Pointin' their plastic finger at me: Ha!
They're hopin' soon my kind will drop and die, but uh -
I'm gonna wave my freak flag high, high!
Oww !

Wave on, wave on...

Ah, ha, ha
Fall mountains, just dont fall on me!
Go ahead on, mister business man; you can't dress like me!
Yeah !

(Don't nobody know what I'm talkin' about.)
I've got my own life to live.
I'm the one that's gonna die when it's time for me to die,
So let me live my life the way I want to.
Yeah, sing on brother, play on drummer.
-------------------

Sing on, Faul; Play on, "Ringo" (imo.)
This is quite a song, when you analyze it. Do you notice the musical "descent into madness"
that it ends in? Much as Faul's "Anyway" on "Chaos and Creation..." does?
The person in this song is escaping, on the run, etc.
Hendrix was right when he says, "Don't nobody know what I'm talking about" here, because
(imo) he's talking about Paul McCartney being on the run, something 'nobody' knew about
at the time the song came out.
The singer says, "If the sun refused to shine, I dont mind, I dont mind."
A bit of a different sentiment than "I'll follow the sun", wouldn't you say?
He goes on to cite Apocolyptic scenarios in describing his condition:

"If the mountains, ah, fell in the sea,
Let it be; it aint me!"

and

"Fall mountains, just don't fall on me!"

Why? (I'll explain in a minute! ;D)

But most telling are these lines: "I've got my own life to live.
I'm the one that's gonna die when it's time for me to die!"

And not a moment before!
So what's going on here? Remember this?:

"One day, you'll look to see I've gone,
For tomorrow may rain,
so I'll follow the sun

Some day, you'll know: I was the one....

And now the time has come(!)
and so, my love, I must go.
And though I lose a friend
In the end you will know. Ohhhhh"

The person singing this song was going to "follow the sun" and, basically, vanish after a while.
He knew ahead of time that this was going to happen.
And apparently he had agreed to it.
He even tells us this: the time has come, and so my love, I must go.

Now it's worth noting here that most Christians try to follow "the Son" in observing their faith,
following, to the best of their ability, the example He set. But what happened to "the Son"?
He was killed before his time! Or at least, before he ever had a chance to get old.
("I hope I die before I get old" just may be a clue of some sort from "The Who",btw.)
And the guy, singing this song, has pledged to "follow the 'sun'", and now the time has come, and.....

And maybe instead of going through with "following the sun" to the point of being killed,
he decides instead he's going to run like hell!
You see, if he was going to play the role of the 'son' god in the "end times" when mountains
would fall into the sea, and re-enact the role of Christ, and in effect, be the 'sun god' then
he would be "the sun", the one with all the power, having paid the price.
But what does this guy say? "Hey! If 'the sun' doesn't shine for the rest of humanity, so be it!
I'm outta here! Let the Apocolypse occur; it's not my problem. It's not me; I'm not
the sun! I'm going to die when it's my time to die! I ain't gonna be no sacrifice! Let humanity
perish; I don't mind."

The one playing the "sacrificial lamb" for the unworthy plastic businessmen (sacrifice in the
Masonic ritual, perhaps) said, "Screw that! I'm gone!"
He became the "Nowhere Man". (Isn't he a bit like you and me?)
Just a wee little bit, perhaps? (Ahem.)

If 6 was 9. If the devil, perhaps, was trying to be 9, numerically the completion. If the 'weak human'
failed his mission, and so Revolution 9, the evolution of humanity to a state of lovingness, didn't
occur, then....
Then maybe we have "911" and Bush. Instead of what was meant to be.
The sacrifice fled. Or at least the one representing it.
Or did he?

So 9 is 10? So says youknowmyname123.
Then 'Revolution 9', completion of humanity in what would have been the 9th cycle, where we'd
be loving beings, now is to be accomplished in "10". And where-as 1 is "the fool", 10 is 1, ten times over.
Or, put another way, "a crowd of 'fools' ". A crowd of people stood and stared. A crowd of
people turned away. But a crowd of people, foolish though they may be, have, none-the-less
begun the journey to fulfillment as loving beings.
In the Tarot, the number 10 card is the "Wheel of Fortune".
You've seen it on a million TV game shows, but it does favor, generally, those who are
about to be blessed by it. In other words, the "Wheel of Fortune" generally favors the endeavor
of the crowd of fools in their quest to achieve real humanity.
I have to admit, it's getting better; a little better all the time. better, better, better!
So, perhaps, if 6 (you and me, bro) failed his mission, we none-the-less press on, now wearing
the shoes 'the sun' would have worn ourselves, but walking that path, none-the-less.

[iameye]

late nite version www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwjUiciqXpA&feature=related

[B]

I like it! That's great!

At the risk of being a complete bore, a postscript on "If 6 Was 9".
The fellow in the song is somewhat self-absorbed, you might say.
(In the original version; not the nice "late nite" version that Iameye posted.)
There's a "me" versus "them" quality to the lyrics. I am not them.
They are not me. Let calamity happen. It's not my problem. Me me me.
But the title of the song says something. If we think of 6 as being representative of humans,*
because in the Biblical account they were created on the sixth day, then let's let 6 stand for physical
man/woman. 9, in numerology, stands for completion because it's the last number before the cycle
of one through nine start again. That is, after 9 we're back to one zero, one one, one two, etc.
John Lennon considered "Revolution 9" to be the last revolution that humanity would undergo,
the "revolution" where-in humanity would renounce violence, corruption, and embrace love
and brotherhood. War is over, if you want it, etc.
So one could say that 9 could represent humanity in a "spiritually evolved" state. *
So, If 6 was 9, we, as physical beings, would live at our highest state of spirituality and humane-ness.
The song, though, shows someone living physically, and centered on self. This person is not concerned
for others, who he sees as apart from himself. And he appears to be running away from a vow he
may have taken. I have speculated that this is a song that describes Paul McCartney on
the run ("He bag production" - he split, in other words) and became the "no where"[to be found]
man. But the song could just as easily be representative of all of us, in that we live as 6s, not 9s.
That is, we're focused on preservation of our physical selves at the cost of anyone else, and
not on the higher spiritual qualities that we might express at a time we would seem to
be so close to "completion". The point is, we may actually be capable of being "9s", but
we are acting like "6's" most of the time.
So "If 6 was 9", we'd be OK, but unfortunately, 9 is 9.
And now 9 is 10, evidently, but progress is being made, even if, in a way, we've had to start again.
a more favorable interpretation: We're 9s, even though we act like 6s, and on the way
to being 10s. (I sound like a freakin' Scientologist! )

* In the Tarot, the number 6 card is "The Lovers". A male and a female
are shown, under the protection of an angel. Again, the idea of humanity, people, Adam and Eve.
6 represents the human race.
www.learntarot.com/maj06.htm

* The number 9 card in the Tarot is "the Hermit".
www.learntarot.com/maj09.htm
"...the desire to turn away from the getting and spending of society, to focus on the inner world..."

[B]

In my reply #44 above, I speculated that John's song "Steel and Glass" suggests that Paul
"sold the Beatles out" to Disney, and he might be spending his days as a "business man"
in a corporate building somewhere.

"Crippled Inside", another John song, suggests to me a similar scenario, about Faul:

hear it/see it:[/i][/color] www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kxol_huYpws

You can shine your shoes and wear a suit (like a business man would)
You can comb your hair and look quite cute (gender-switching clue; see next verse)
You can hide your face behind a smile.
One thing you can't hide
Is when you're crippled inside.

You can wear a mask, and paint your face (like a woman does)*
You can call yourself the human race. (Interesting line, if he is a clone! )
You can wear a collar and a tie.
One thing you can't hide
Is when you're crippled inside.

Well now you know that your
Cat has nine lives.
Nine lives to itself,
But you only got one,
And a dog's life aint fun. ("dog" - a music industry pawn)
Mamma take a look outside! (of yourself, of the building)

You can go to church and sing a hymn (There are many clues that both Pauls 'got religion')
You can judge me by the color of my skin (?)
You can live a lie until you die (Faul as Paul)
One thing you can't hide
Is when you're crippled inside.

Well now you know that your
Cat has nine lives.... etc.

* Like the song "Obladih Obladah" there's a suggestion that
by day, 'Paul' was a 'business man'; at night: a 'female'

[B]

Godel, Escher, Beatles (#10)
Back to the top *
www.youtube.com/watch?v=icedY1mQwg0

Godel: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godel

Escher: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M._C._Escher

Einstein, Dirac, Godel, Selberg, Harish-Chandra in Princeton
www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsIlRr65-L4&NR=1
posted by stevemiller163

"In later life, Gödel suffered periods of mental instability and illness. He had an obsessive
fear of being poisoned; he wouldn't eat unless his wife, Adele, tasted his food for him. Late in 1977,
Adele was hospitalized for six months and could not taste Gödel's food anymore.
In her absence, he refused to eat, eventually starving himself to death."

*Helter Skelter:
When I get to the bottom, I go back to the top of the slide...

A representation of the cycle of birth death heaven, birth death heaven, etc. imho.

[iameye]

poor Adele. what a life....


Euclid's proposition 6? what book? 6? anyone?

[ccinri]

"On Formally Undecidable Propostions of Principia Mathematica and Related Systems I" by Kurt Godel

wikiwiki en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principia_Mathematica

[iameye]

jeese louise, I can't follow that..........the formula most imaged in this series is y2+X2=Z2

y squared + x squared = z squared.

I think it's all about the square, dancing in the square to produce the Z square.



concerning the sacred homage to the tri-angle, of course.

The word hypotenuse derives from the Greek ὑποτείνουσα (hypoteinousa), a combination of hypo- ("under") and teinein ("to stretch").

[B]

Maybe this is what's relevant in the wiki article:

"Consistency issue
The questions remained whether a contradiction could be derived from the Principia's axioms
(the question of inconsistency), and whether there exists a mathematical statement
which could neither be proven nor disproven in the system (the question of completeness).
Propositional logic itself was known to be both consistent and complete, but the same had not
been established for Principia's axioms of set theory. (See Hilbert's second problem.)

Gödel's incompleteness theorems cast unexpected light on these two related questions.

Gödel's first incompleteness theorem showed that Principia could not be both consistent and complete.
According to the theorem, for every sufficiently powerful logical system (such as Principia),
there exists a statement G that essentially reads, "The statement G cannot be proved."
Such a statement is a sort of Catch-22: if G is provable, then it's false, and the system
is therefore inconsistent; and if G is not provable, then it's true, and the system is therefore incomplete."

Paul is neither dead nor alive. ;D

[B]

Sean Ono Lennon in Escher-NYC video:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9hvHFZDH_g

[MikeNL]

nl.youtube.com/watch?v=fJrZgc-yE_w



again a spooky recemblence to jpm

[iameye]

what's the cat thing about???

Schrodinger's cat
"Schrödinger's cat is a famous illustration of the principle in quantum theory of superposition, proposed by Erwin Schrödinger in 1935. Schrödinger's cat serves to demonstrate the apparent conflict between what quantum theory tells us is true about the nature and behavior of matter on the microscopic level and what we observe to be true about the nature and behavior of matter on the macroscopic level.
Here's Schrödinger's (theoretical) experiment: We place a living cat into a steel chamber, along with a device containing a vial of hydrocyanic acid. There is, in the chamber, a very small amount of a radioactive substance. If even a single atom of the substance decays during the test period, a relay mechanism will trip a hammer, which will, in turn, break the vial and kill the cat. The observer cannot know whether or not an atom of the substance has decayed, and consequently, cannot know whether the vial has been broken, the hydrocyanic acid released, and the cat killed. Since we cannot know, the cat is both dead and alive according to quantum law, in a superposition of states. It is only when we break open the box and learn the condition of the cat that the superposition is lost, and the cat becomes one or the other (dead or alive). This situation is sometimes called quantum indeterminacy or the observer's paradox: the observation or measurement itself affects an outcome, so that the outcome as such does not exist unless the measurement is made. (That is, there is no single outcome unless it is observed.)

We know that superposition actually occurs at the subatomic level, because there are observable effects of interference, in which a single particle is demonstrated to be in multiple locations simultaneously. What that fact implies about the nature of reality on the observable level (cats, for example, as opposed to electrons) is one of the stickiest areas of quantum physics. Schrödinger himself is rumored to have said, later in life, that he wished he had never met that cat."

[ramone]

A good book on the subject is
'Quantum-A Guide For the Perplexed'

The cat thing may be a thought illustration but real experiments
do show the effect of observation on particles as
in the double or two slit experiment.
Just having a particle detector turned on or off can change the experiment.

It's the matter of observation and 'knowing' and how this effects the
experiment that blows peoples' minds. The implications.

[iameye]

I am Perplexed.

[JoJo]

iameye said:

I am Perplexed.

Fear not, there is a cartoon! ;D (From "What the Bleep Do We Know")

youtube.com/watch?v=wEzRdZGYNvA

[Doc]

iameye said:

I am Perplexed.

So am I. We must have come through different slots and met at the peak of one of the waves along the Interference Pattern Highway.

And THAT inspires me to write a song, another truly BAD song perhaps, but a song nonetheless. Unless I keep it hidden in a box, which means the observer (meaning everyone else) will never know what the song is like until I open the box, or rather, post the m-----f-----, which could set music as we know it back to the time BEFORE the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle, which states that if you don't know something, how the hell would I know it?

[iameye]

jojo said:

iameye said:

I am Perplexed.

Fear not, there is a cartoon! ;D (From "What the Bleep Do We Know")

youtube.com/watch?v=wEzRdZGYNvA

"I am Perplexed." Famous last words.................thanks jo that helps, a little.

"the observer collapsed the wave function simply by observing"


gives new meaning to "hitting the wall" though! and which, when discovered,,,,,the speckled band (he) "carrying it at arm's length, threw it into the iron safe, which he closed upon it"

HA!



maybe the lonely heart (club) Band has only one slit. Jeannie doesn't wear no slit skirt.
a musing

[kingofcosmania]

The Fireman Is No Mason

youtube.com/watch?v=ANscCizadVE

He is risen........

[Doc]

kingofcosmania said:

The Fireman Is No Mason

youtube.com/watch?v=ANscCizadVE

He is risen........

OK, THAT gave me chills. That was amazingly put together. Woah.....nice.

[iameye]

there's a shadow hanging over me........


" Nowhere, perhaps, does the equivalence of the shadow to the life or soul come out more clearly than in some customs practised to this day in South-eastern Europe. In modern Greece, when the foundation of a new building is being laid, it is the custom to kill a cock, a ram, or a lamb, and to let its blood flow on the foundation-stone, under which the animal is afterwards buried. The object of the sacrifice is to give strength and stability to the building. But sometimes, instead of killing an animal, the builder entices a man to the foundation-stone, secretly measures his body, or a part of it, or his shadow, and buries the measure under the foundation-stone; or he lays the foundation-stone upon the man's shadow. It is believed that the man will die within the year. The Roumanians of Transylvania think that he whose shadow is thus immured will die within forty days; so persons passing by a building which is in course of erection may hear a warning cry, Beware lest they take thy shadow! Not long ago there were still shadow-traders whose business it was to provide architects with the shadows necessary for securing their walls. In these cases the measure of the shadow is looked on as equivalent to the shadow itself, and to bury it is to bury the life or soul of the man, who, deprived of it, must die. Thus the custom is a substitute for the old practice of immuring a living person in the walls, or crushing him under the foundation-stone of a new building, in order to give strength and durability to the structure, or more definitely in order that the angry ghost may haunt the place and guard it against the intrusion of enemies.[2]"


the tell tale lonely hearts club band?

the cornerstone = Death?

I tell you the truth,
unless a kernel of wheat falls to the ground and dies,
it remains only a single seed.
But if it dies, it produces many seeds.
(John 12:24)

The cornerstone is placed in the north-east corner of the Lodge as a figurative foundation stone.

casting the net to the right side?