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Post by 65if2007 on Jan 3, 2008 1:08:26 GMT -5
About the Melody Maker award, an early member noted in this thread: Reply #13I've had a friend check out the music papers archive in Manchester Library for me. The date on the Sept 13 picture is the date that Melody Maker was published, not the date of the awards ceremony. The magazine simply alluded to "last weekend's awards", meaning it could have been on Fri 9th, Sat 10th, Sunday 11th. Hope that clears that one up. EXCELLENT! In fact, come to think of it, award ceremonies such as that are probably more likely than not to be held on a weekend. There must be -- either at the public library or somewhere on the WWW a vintage newspaper story that would settle the issue. So for here and now, the possibility is restored of a deadly incident on I ONE IX with death itself (or discovery of death) occurring on September 12 -- the date on the Eleanor Rigby tombstone.
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Post by 65if2007 on Jan 3, 2008 1:10:05 GMT -5
That's quite a find, rbbr soul. You've spurred further research on my part. That's JPM all right. If there was any doubt about it, here's a brief YouTube video of that award ceremony. www.youtube.com/watch?v=zApBPR1QHK4That's JPM attending that ceremony beyond all doubt. Here's a Beatles Timeline that sets the date of that award as September 19. home.att.net/~chuckayoub/1966_year.htmThat timeline isn't necessarily golden, but we can scratch out mid-September or any earlier date. So much for the date on the Eleanor Rigby tombstone. Don't get discouraged so fast 65if2007! This has been discussed before on an older thread. Many of the "veteran" members know that Paul was at the Melody Maker Awards in '66. We've all seen the picture that was supposely taken September 13, 1966. But think of it this way, if the people behind this can lie about something this big and cover it up, then they can surely doctor a few dates in 1966. From what I remember in the discussion, some of us, including myself, thought that the actual date that Paul was at the awards show was Friday the 9th or Saturday the 10th. Aren't award shows usually on the weekends? Perhaps I stand corrected. Anyway, the 13th was on a Tuesday. OK, Dark Horse. I think that I am caught up now. I am going to do a brief www search for an old newspaper story.
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Post by Red Lion on Jan 3, 2008 2:59:15 GMT -5
I am looking for a "smoking gun" that would resolve the issue one way or the other.
Well, you either have attached or detached earlobes, although I suppose it's possible to get them "clipped."
Interesting. The heading on the home page reads, "The purpose of this forum is to discuss the idea that Paul McCartney was replaced some time in late 1966."
It IS referred to as an "idea" as opposed to an indisputable fact. I saw no limitation such as the one that you describe.
This forum is four years old and has had an evolution of it's own. There are plenty of older threads to peruse and add to for straddlers. Check them out if you haven't already done so, many are interesting and present opposing viewpoints.
You can take a poll if you wish, but the replacement aspect is pretty much indisputable here.
the REASON for the replacement is up in the air.
A worthy topic of discussion indeed. Why was there a replacement in the first place? Clues, references, car crashes what purpose do they serve? Paul is dead, poor Paul, play this track backwards, look at this picture, read this lyric, watch this IIAP vid.......yep, Paul must be dead. Problem is these "clues" are a never ending spiral leading nowhere, followed by official denial with zero confirmation of "clues" even existing.
"Paul McCartney couldn't die without the world knowing it"- John Lennon, maybe he wasn't lying.
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Post by GN on Jan 3, 2008 7:45:55 GMT -5
.... these is "something" really fishy ...
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Post by iameye on Jan 3, 2008 12:30:01 GMT -5
.... these is "something" really fishy ... ringo's hair line and crown are weird, as earlobe. Who altered this photo? does it look altered?
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Post by GN on Jan 3, 2008 13:11:12 GMT -5
from the sept 13th or whatever awards ceremony. Is this JPM in the Melody Maker video or a double, perhaps Dino Danelli with makeup/prosethtics? Look at the ear for example. This has been mentioned on the forum of TKIN.
I am beginning to wonder, looking at the video of them deplaning in the London Airport, if JPM returned with the Beatles from the USA. That person looks and sounds possibly like a JPM double as well. ... but you are not the only one ...
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Post by plastic paul on Jan 3, 2008 13:43:38 GMT -5
They do both have odd looking anomalies now you come to mention it.
Why does "JPM" have a black smudge for no apparent reason and why does Ringo have such an odd shaped sideburn that doesn't seem to attach properly to the rest of his hair!?
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Post by 65if2007 on Jan 3, 2008 15:21:23 GMT -5
They do both have odd looking anomalies now you come to mention it. Why does "JPM" have a black smudge for no apparent reason and why does Ringo have such an odd shaped sideburn that doesn't seem to attach properly to the rest of his hair!? Those things ARE weird-looking www.youtube.com/watch?v=zApBPR1QHK4But this YouTube video of the 1966 award shows moving pictures of people in motion, instead of still photos. The quality of this film is poor, but this looks like vintage JPM to me. I don't know what vintage Ringo looks like because I have never stared intently at him trying to make out the details of his features or his movements. But everything about the other Beatle on this film from his appearance to his gestures looks like garden-variety JPM. I'd be amazed to find out that it wasn't. Is it possible that a lot of these sinister-looking things that are occasionally discovered around the ear are just normal-looking prosthetics that a doctor would ordinarily be prescribing to a rock musician whose sense of hearing was always endangered by repeated exposure to close exposure to amplified music?
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Post by plastic paul on Jan 3, 2008 15:24:49 GMT -5
I have looked at some other pictures from the awards in books and yes, I do believe that it is actually JPM and Ringo and the strange effects are just that - strange effects, probably caused by lighting - and Ringo's crazy hairline!
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Post by fireman on Jan 3, 2008 17:27:26 GMT -5
Is this JPM in the Melody Maker video or a double, perhaps Dino Danelli with makeup/prosethtics? Look at the ear for example. This has been mentioned on the forum of TKIN.
I am beginning to wonder, looking at the video of them deplaning in the London Airport, if JPM returned with the Beatles from the USA. That person looks and sounds possibly like a JPM double as well. ... but you are not the only one ... Worse quality, but here's another pic: Still looks like JPM to me (although Ringo's ear tumor is interesting, to say the least). ... But if this is not JPM and I had to take a guess at who it might be, I would say it could possibly be Keith Allison. A little plastic surgery could have definitely "enhanced" his JPMish looks in time for the awards:
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Post by GN on Jan 3, 2008 18:00:46 GMT -5
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Post by GN on Jan 3, 2008 18:19:05 GMT -5
... but you are not the only one ... Worse quality, but here's another pic: Still looks like JPM to me (although Ringo's ear tumor is interesting, to say the least). ... But if this is not JPM and I had to take a guess at who it might be, I would say it could possibly be Keith Allison. A little plastic surgery could have definitely "enhanced" his JPMish looks in time for the awards: GREAT fireman! Keith is the best candidate indeed ...
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Jan 3, 2008 21:25:36 GMT -5
Hey, could this be the SFF Faul...? (The pic with the guy w/striped hat) Not Bill and not JPM....It's the man who would become Mountain Man....
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Post by thisone on Jan 4, 2008 18:02:39 GMT -5
Worse quality, but here's another pic: Still looks like JPM to me (although Ringo's ear tumor is interesting, to say the least). ... But if this is not JPM and I had to take a guess at who it might be, I would say it could possibly be Keith Allison. A little plastic surgery could have definitely "enhanced" his JPMish looks in time for the awards: GREAT fireman! Keith is the best candidate indeed ... Wow. The chin is a dead giveaway. There is a photo of Paul with a similar hat tilted similarly also. Great find!!
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Post by plastic paul on Jan 4, 2008 19:36:53 GMT -5
What photo is that t1?
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Post by MikeNL on Jan 4, 2008 19:52:35 GMT -5
WOW! he really looks a lot like JPM... right in time before his death
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Post by fireman on Jan 4, 2008 20:22:14 GMT -5
Wow. The chin is a dead giveaway. There is a photo of Paul with a similar hat tilted similarly also. Great find!! Yep. That chin is what initially brought Keith Allison to mind. Sticks out just enough to make one wonder... ... And anyone elso have more info about Mr. Allison? Would be curious to know more about the man who "officially" played Paul.
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Post by thisone on Jan 5, 2008 20:55:09 GMT -5
Where to find it? As soon as I come across it, I'll post it! Unless someone beats me to it!
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Post by GN on Jan 14, 2008 13:31:29 GMT -5
Wow. The chin is a dead giveaway. There is a photo of Paul with a similar hat tilted similarly also. Great find!! Yep. That chin is what initially brought Keith Allison to mind. Sticks out just enough to make one wonder... ... And anyone elso have more info about Mr. Allison? Would be curious to know more about the man who "officially" played Paul.
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Post by Red Lion on Jan 14, 2008 14:52:04 GMT -5
Where is MMT bus guy, Neil Aspinall, Paul Michael Raymond, George Martin and Don Knotts? And how bout that French prison?
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Post by Jude on Jan 15, 2008 6:22:35 GMT -5
As RedLion so humourously pointed out, this is becoming absurd. Paul either is, or isn't dead. But it shreds our credibility when we act like the smoking gun was found a long time ago, when in actuality we have no body of hard evidence whatsoever. Photo fades, alleged vocal changes.....none of it can or ever will be held as evidence in a court of law. What I mean is, if you were to sue Sir Paul on the grounds of him not being James Paul McCartney, you'd get thrown out of court the minute you start showing the judge and jury how Paul looked in 1966 and how changed he was in 1976. Photographic "evidence" is great for convincing people that Paul was replaced---not so great as a smoking gun in the case of whether Paul actually was replaced or not. I tend to think that people spend way too much time trying to prove that Paul was replaced. But even worse than that, some people are so convinced that he was replaced that they'll automatically shut their minds when confronted with the notion that there could actually be one Paul. The thing is, though, PID began with clues....and to me, clues will always be the most important facet of the PID phenomenon. The clues exist for a reason---THAT'S why I think Paul was replaced, not because of some funny looking ear. Comparisons, both vocal and photographic do more to damage my belief in PWR than to build it.....because, you know, they really had to have picked a damn fine replacement. But they also left behind a multitude of clues that let us know *something* was amiss... Anyway, the man at the Melody Maker Award ceremony was unmistakably Paul McCartney. I have yet to view the video of the ceremony, but I would presume that Paul would've had to talk at a ceremony in which he was to receive a prestigious award. Talk. Like Paul McCartney. Who has/had a very distinctive voice. [sarcasm]But.....I'm sure Keith Allison and Dino Danelli had no trouble pulling that off! All they had to do was pose for photographs, keeping deathly quiet whilst being hounded by the news media. And in the studio? Oh, that was Denny Laine doing Paul impressions until Bill (who was originally Neil Aspinall, until he traded places with JPM) got good enough to do a convincing Paul impersonation. Oh, and all that footage from the Get Back sessions (Let It Be) that show someone who looks like Paul clearly sounding like Paul? That's Vivian Stanshall with a mountain-man beard to cover up his plastic surgery scars. Never mind that plastic surgery wasn't advanced enough by 1969 to make Vivian look even remotely like Paul...that's not the point. The point is that Vivian Stanshall was just a fill-in while the true Bill (William Shepherd) stayed busy writing songs for his sophomore solo project, RAM (his debut album, McCartney, was written entirely by Elton John. EVERYONE knows that.), and while Vivian did perform the songs in the studio, his voice was later overdubbed with Denny's to make the film more "convincing" to audiences. Oh, and John killed himself ("Happiness is a warm gun..") after he found out that JPM was starving to death in a French prison due to his attempted murder of Johnny Hallyday and subsequent "kidnapping" (really, they were eloping) of Sylvie Vartan (who was accidentally killed in the midst of the fight between he and Johnny). John was replaced ("If I ain't dead already...girl, you know the reason why") by Charlie Brill who played the part up until his faked demise in 1980. And that's the state of Paul is Dead today! Remember, that Paul was not replaced is not an open topic for discussion as there's all kinds of "irrefutable evidence" to back this up, including, but certainly not limited to, pictures of odd looking ears! G'night everybody! [/sarcasm]Sometimes you just gotta speak what's on your mind, even if you're really making fun of yourself in the process.
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Post by Paul Bearer on Jan 15, 2008 20:02:03 GMT -5
To reitterate the MM awards date business - September 13th was the date of Melody Maker which has the details on the awards that were held the previous weekend. That means the awards took place on anytime from Friday Sept 9th to Sunday Sept 11th (but who has a prestgious award ceremony on a Sunday?) putting the time frame right before the crucial September 11th drum date, not after.
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Post by GN on Jan 28, 2008 17:32:08 GMT -5
That "Ringo" character had the same ear "cancer" as Bill. An epidemy? Or "just" a mask attachment issues?
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Post by iameye on Jan 28, 2008 18:16:39 GMT -5
ewwwwww
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Post by fireman on Jan 29, 2008 0:40:39 GMT -5
GN, nice find.
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