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Post by fireman on Jan 29, 2008 0:48:11 GMT -5
As RedLion so humourously pointed out, this is becoming absurd. Paul either is, or isn't dead. But it shreds our credibility when we act like the smoking gun was found a long time ago, when in actuality we have no body of hard evidence whatsoever. Photo fades, alleged vocal changes.....none of it can or ever will be held as evidence in a court of law. What I mean is, if you were to sue Sir Paul on the grounds of him not being James Paul McCartney, you'd get thrown out of court the minute you start showing the judge and jury how Paul looked in 1966 and how changed he was in 1976. Jude, check out this thread: invanddis.proboards29.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1197077261If this worked it would be really hard to argue from a legal standpoint... ... Although, were this to actually happen I'm sure Billy would have the best legal talent available!
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Post by jilly on Mar 8, 2008 0:43:37 GMT -5
(60if2007)from the first page of this post. "Scott Peterson is on death row for such an instance -- this is the most recent of any prominent case like this that I am familiar with." meaning there was no body?
There was a female body and an infants body found on the beach near the place where Scott dumped them.
p.s. 60if2007 i posted this information because sometimes we dont have all the answers and need to keep looking.
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Post by 65if2007 on Mar 8, 2008 1:08:02 GMT -5
(60if2007)from the first page of this post. "Scott Peterson is on death row for such an instance -- this is the most recent of any prominent case like this that I am familiar with." meaning there was no body? There was a female body and an infants body found on the beach near the place where Scott dumped them. p.s. 60if2007 i posted this information because sometimes we dont have all the answers and need to keep looking. It's 6 5if2007. Since JPM was born in 1942, 60if2007 wouldn't make sense. Don't confuse me with anyone from the TKIN crowd. In response to what you said, I was mistaken and you're right, of course. They did discover a headless trunk determined to be Lacy Peterson, though I'm pretty sure that I remember that Scott was under suspicion long before that. And my point still holds that, in other instances, convictions for murder HAVE been obtained in the absence of a corpse. Even in the absence of a corpse or a criminal conviction, no one seriously doubts that Jimmy Hoffa was murdered. As far as needing to keep looking when we don't have all the answers, that is certainly true. My belief that either 1) Paul never disappeared and it's always been the same Paul, regardless of clues and appearances or 2) Paul died in 1966 (regardless of the absence of a corpse - I have always understood them to be biodegradable) is simply my following what I believe to be the curve of maximum probability. The notion held by some that JPM was replaced but that he's still alive out there somewhere and undiscovered might be a technical possibility but -- to my mind -- it simply doesn't rest upon that curve.
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Post by jilly on Mar 8, 2008 1:31:43 GMT -5
oops sorry 65if2007 didnt mean to get ur name wrong. my bad
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Post by TotalInformation on Mar 8, 2008 1:33:00 GMT -5
Laci Peterson disappeared -- her body shows up weeks later to frame the husband.
Paul disappears -- the body shows up weeks later in a staged car crash.
Which is then quickly covered up...
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Post by 65if2007 on Mar 8, 2008 3:44:23 GMT -5
Laci Peterson disappeared -- her body shows up weeks later to frame the husband. Paul disappears -- the body shows up weeks later in a staged car crash. Which is then quickly covered up... THERE WERE NO BORDEN MURDERS!BOTH THE VICTIMS OF 13 YEARS AGO DIED OF EXCESSIVE HEAT!Fall River Daily Globe - August 4, 1905 edition
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Post by DarkHorse on Mar 8, 2008 15:02:38 GMT -5
Laci Peterson disappeared -- her body shows up weeks later to frame the husband. Paul disappears -- the body shows up weeks later in a staged car crash. Which is then quickly covered up... Yep. I think Paul was murdered and it was a warning to the Beatles to listen to their masters.
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Post by The Deceptionist on Mar 8, 2008 15:19:18 GMT -5
thats certainly the most enticing version
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Post by iameye on Mar 8, 2008 15:20:31 GMT -5
Laci Peterson disappeared -- her body shows up weeks later to frame the husband. Paul disappears -- the body shows up weeks later in a staged car crash. Which is then quickly covered up... Yep. I think Paul was murdered and it was a warning to the Beatles to listen to their masters. Yep. Our early warning, too, one could surmise. If that's what happened.
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Post by B on Mar 8, 2008 16:17:16 GMT -5
thats certainly the most enticing version Enticing?
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Post by The Deceptionist on Mar 8, 2008 16:21:57 GMT -5
from everything thats poured into my skull via this place and others - that explanation seems to fit best... but as im planted firmly on the fence regarding just about everything with regards to .. uh - everything.. i felt enticing was perhaps the best word to use
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Post by Red Lion on Mar 9, 2008 2:16:14 GMT -5
Laci Peterson disappeared -- her body shows up weeks later to frame the husband.
Who killed her then?
Paul disappears -- the body shows up weeks later in a staged car crash.
What body?
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Post by plastic paul on Mar 9, 2008 18:51:40 GMT -5
thats certainly the most enticing version RE: following comments as well... "Enticing" is a perfect word, because if someone tells you a story about the possibility that a MASSIVELY famous musician is actually an imposter because the original bloke died of an asthma attack and they replaced him because the public couldn't take it doesn't quite have the same ring to it! ;D
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Post by Doc on Mar 10, 2008 18:40:38 GMT -5
thats certainly the most enticing version RE: following comments as well... "Enticing" is a perfect word, because if someone tells you a story about the possibility that a MASSIVELY famous musician is actually an imposter because the original bloke died of an asthma attack and they replaced him because the public couldn't take it doesn't quite have the same ring to it! ;D Asthma? Paul had asthma?
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Post by plastic paul on Mar 10, 2008 19:50:12 GMT -5
No no no, sorry Doc, I don't mean to mislead anyone.
What I meant is the idea a car crash evokes more drama the something like an asthma attack.
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Post by B on Mar 10, 2008 20:34:19 GMT -5
Oh, trust me, there's nothing quite as "dramatic" as an asthma attack when you're having one.
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Post by plastic paul on Mar 10, 2008 23:00:56 GMT -5
Wish I'd never said anything now!
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Post by Doc on Mar 10, 2008 23:20:52 GMT -5
No no no, sorry Doc, I don't mean to mislead anyone. What I meant is the idea a car crash evokes more drama the something like an asthma attack. Oh, OK, I get it. Of course, yes. Still, it's a scary medical event to watch someone go thru; disturbing to say the least. There is real life drama in that as it happens. I am just glad my female singer friend "CB" always had her asthma meds with her. She had a number of attacks every year, and I was present for several attacks during our working time together. That could of course be a tremendously challenging condition to exist with in the 60's as a touring, pressured superstar. The fatigue alone I bet could maybe set some one up for more triggered attacks. Hoping Paul didn't have it, or IBS, or any of the other maladies that our theories have mentioned. Hope he's either alive and content somewhere, or else at complete peace in the Great Beyond.
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Post by TotalInformation on Mar 17, 2008 20:59:16 GMT -5
It's standard in the magazine business for the street date of an issue to be the cover date for the last one. I.e., a weekly magazine sits on the stand for a week, the week ending Sept. 13. That would probably probably put Melody Maker Awards Sept. 3-4. To reitterate the MM awards date business - September 13th was the date of Melody Maker which has the details on the awards that were held the previous weekend. That means the awards took place on anytime from Friday Sept 9th to Sunday Sept 11th (but who has a prestgious award ceremony on a Sunday?) putting the time frame right before the crucial September 11th drum date, not after.
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Post by TotalInformation on Mar 17, 2008 21:08:05 GMT -5
Dino Danelli 5'9" -- Tom Jones 5'10" -- Peter Sellers 5'7"
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Post by 65if2007 on Mar 17, 2008 22:05:25 GMT -5
It's standard in the magazine business for the street date of an issue to be the cover date for the last one. I.e., a weekly magazine sits on the stand for a week, the week ending Sept. 13. That would probably probably put Melody Maker Awards Sept. 3-4. To reitterate the MM awards date business - September 13th was the date of Melody Maker which has the details on the awards that were held the previous weekend. That means the awards took place on anytime from Friday Sept 9th to Sunday Sept 11th (but who has a prestgious award ceremony on a Sunday?) putting the time frame right before the crucial September 11th drum date, not after. It really ought to be possible to check this out. This information should be considerably more retrievable than a certain suitcase and perhaps more important. September 1966 was long after dinosaurs had walked the earth, and the Melody Maker awards must have been pretty significant in the scheme of the entertainment world. They must have been mentioned in any one of a number of major trade publications, such as Variety. There must be old copies of Variety -- or at least microfiched copies of them -- in a number of university libraries.
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Post by TotalInformation on Mar 17, 2008 22:49:24 GMT -5
I checked old Melody Maker and old Varieties a while back. There's nothing to clarify. This isn't the Grammys, it wasn't live on cable... It was a magazine awards banquet. Your best bet would be to fnd an old invitation.
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Post by fireman on Mar 22, 2008 2:24:38 GMT -5
Apollo references Dino Danelli as a 'magician'prior to this PM. RL Different magicians for different spells. There are still many rabbit holes left unexplored. The "brother" connection simply is repeated through different perspectives. On the WA, he asks his "brothers" if they would take him back. They did. He writes from their perspective. "Yeah Paul, come on back. All is fogiven." Yet, as history shows, this was NOT the case. That's the beauty of writing. You can be anyone you wish. Don't get too caught up in the moment, mate. There are still many undiscovered countries yet to claim. Another magician... Keith Allison. Look up his movie roles and appearences on the telly. You might find a "couple" that will raise a few questions. Apollo Didn't realize ACV had ever mentioned Keith Allison, in this case as part of a communication with Red Lion.
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Post by B on Mar 22, 2008 9:46:06 GMT -5
You might find a "couple" that will raise a few questions.Knowing Apollo's fondness for double entendres, my guess would be "The Odd Couple". A search for that led me to this: www.amazon.ca/Phantom-Paradise-Brian-Palma/dp/B000GAKDAQ/ref=sr_1_5/701-4383933-0080349?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1206197147&sr=1-5"From Amazon.com Describing Brian De Palma's Phantom of the Paradise as an update of the classic Phantom of the Opera doesn't do justice to this demented movie. While De Palma's Hitchcock homages have sometimes led him into dead ends, this rock & roll remake seems to have liberated De Palma's imagination, and the result is weird and funny, with the scruffy underground spirit of the director's early pictures. The Phantom is one Winslow Leach (William Finley), a nerdy songwriter whose "pop cantata" on the subject of Faust is stolen by a freakish, Phil Spector-like rock impresario called Swan (Paul Williams). After getting his head caught in a vinyl-LP compressor, Leach is transformed into a masked creature, haunting Swan's music palace, the Paradise. De Palma proves how nimbly he can establish narrative rhythm: the story moves like a cannon shot, and the musical numbers (especially in the Alice Cooper-like Paradise sequences) are brilliantly cut. The movie seems to predict the Studio 54 scene, MTV, and punk rock--the last, especially, in the figure of Beef, a screeching singer played by the unhinged Gerrit Graham. The songs were written by Paul Williams, that diminutive '70s music icon (he cowrote the Barbra Streisand wet noodle "Evergreen"), and his performance is a reminder of his peculiar, self-spoofing presence: at one point, the preening Swan announces, "You know how I abhor perfection in anyone but myself." Comedy, musical, horror film, '70s artifact--this movie isn't quite definable, and that's what's wonderful about it. --Robert Horton Review Referencing vintage horror, Alfred Hitchcock, and the '70s vogue for supernatural terror, Brian De Palma used his favorite genre to take aim at the sensation-seeking rock audience and the exploitative entertainment machine, skewering such '70s trends as '50s nostalgia and glam rock. With splitscreen effects, he underlines the cost of putting media reality before life, as fame becomes the ultimate Faustian bargain. That entertainment machine, however, failed De Palma, and Phantom of the Paradise flopped. But its clever cinephilia and over-the-top rock numbers have since acquired a cult following, though not on the level of another '70s glitter-horror fantasia, The Rocky Horror Picture Show (1975). ~ Lucia Bozzola, All Movie Guide "Among the reviews: " 1 of 2 people found the following review helpful: Overlooked rock music film which was somewhat prophetic, April 28 2004 By A Customer The 1974 rock music film Phantom Of The Paradise is perhaps one of the most unusual and intriguing films i've ever come to know. This film was one of Brian DePalma's best films to date next to 1976's Carrie, 1983's masterwork Scarface and 1987's The Untouchables. The film is seen as somewhat as a rock and roll version of Phantom Of The Opera but it's a film about getting revenge on those who have hurt us. The hero in the film is nerdy and disgruntled composer Winslow Leach(played by William Finley) whose rock cantata about the magician 'Faust' whom was stolen by music impressario Swan. Swan had his own record label Death Records(originally Swan Song before Led Zeppelin coincidentally came up with the record label name and the producers changed the label to Death) and his own music channel(predated MTV by many years. Swan then proceeds and destroys Leach's life (steals the lovely Phoenix from Winslow, has him wrongfully framed, arrested, teeth pulled and had metal teeth in its place(predates the look that rappers and rockers like Marilyn Manson would adopt) and appearance). After being badly disfigured, Leach disguises himself as a phantom (whose Phantom outfit and make-up could easily have been the predecessor to the Goth Rock era of the 80's) wreaking havoc on the devilish (and that terms comes in quite handy here) and will stop at nothing to terrorize Swan. He tries arson (blowing up the set design during one of the 'Faust' rehearsals with a Beach Boys send-off The Beach Bums) and even murder (electrocuting over-the-top singer hard rock singer Beef mid-performance whose backing band look like what KISS would appear like a few months after this film was made. Also, the people at the door scene predicts the Studio 54 scene by a few years as does the partying/wedding scene at the end. The music in this film is great and the story proves that in the end, the nerds win over the arrogant types! Highly recommended! Was this review helpful to you? (Report this) revenge of the nerds, April 23 2004 By heather sterman (NYC, United States) - See all my reviews Phantom Of The Paradise is perhaps one of the most unusual and intriguing films i've ever come to know. it is one the most creative spectacles of Brian DePalma's lengthy career, and may very well be his best film to date. on the surface, it is a send-up of Glam Rock, Faust, and Phantom Of The Opera. in reality, it is a film about getting revenge on those who have hurt us, as shown in the dynamic story of the nerdy and disgruntled composer Winslow Leach (whose Phantom outfit and make-up could easily have been the predecessor to the Goth Rock era of the 80's) wreaking havoc on the devilish (and that terms comes in quite handy here) record tycoon Swan for stealing Leach's 'Faust' cantata and basically destroying Leach's life (and appearance). talk about persistance: Leach will stop at nothing to terrorize Swan, and even dabbles in arson (blowing up the set design during one of the 'Faust' rehearsals) and murder (electrocuting over-the-top singer Beef mid-performance)to get his point across: one should never f**k with a 'somewhat' dead man's music. and i prove my point by concluding that Phantom Of The Paradise is a wonder to behold. " Many interesting Beatles connections in the reviews. For example, an early record label for the Beatles singles was Swan.
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Post by GN on Mar 22, 2008 12:38:21 GMT -5
Apollo references Dino Danelli as a 'magician'prior to this PM. RL Different magicians for different spells. There are still many rabbit holes left unexplored. The "brother" connection simply is repeated through different perspectives. On the WA, he asks his "brothers" if they would take him back. They did. He writes from their perspective. "Yeah Paul, come on back. All is fogiven." Yet, as history shows, this was NOT the case. That's the beauty of writing. You can be anyone you wish. Don't get too caught up in the moment, mate. There are still many undiscovered countries yet to claim. Another magician... Keith Allison. Look up his movie roles and appearences on the telly. You might find a "couple" that will raise a few questions. Apollo Didn't realize ACV had ever mentioned Keith Allison, in this case as part of a communication with Red Lion. Hello Apollo
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