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[masque]

Hello everyone,

I'm really glad I joined this site, and thank everyone who has replied so far to my first post, I'm going through as many old posts as I can right now fascinating stuff.

May I ask all of you to explain how you got to be here, what got you thinking about how somone else may be pretending to be Paul, did it start with you finding that 1969 hoax stuff on the Internet, as it did with me, or have you always thought there was something a little 'off' with how McCartney looked from 1967 on; I know there are a couple of people here who have carried this thought around with them for ages, decades even, and these people must have thought they were going mad, I know I would have. Do any of your family and friends think you're bonkers, have you pointed out the differences to them, if so what do they think?

Jackie

[That Latvian Guy]

My story:

In 2000 or 2001 (I dont really remember) I was reading a article in a magazine about the top 10 music conspiracy theories of all time (I would really appreciate, if someone would find the story in Internet). As I remember, MJIAW (Michael Jackson Is A Woman) got 1st place, PID (Paul Is Dead) got 2nd, and probably EIA (Elvis Is Alive) and 2IA (2Pac Is Alive) were also mentioned. The only things mentioned were that it happened in a car crash, it happened in 1966, and the "I Buried Paul" clue. Also a picture of Faul near a pool covering himself with a towel was in the article. I forgot about it, until two or three years after that I accidentaly found it in the Entertainment section of a Latvian news portal. Of course, I forgot it again, but in February/March 2006 I got the song (Strawberry Fields Forever) in DC++, just to see what can I hear in the end. Actually I herd "I Buried Paul" and also I started listening to The Beatles, and now they're my favourite band ;D

[Jai Guru Deva]

I think for most of us, before we came here, we all were aware of the rumor surrounding Paul McCartney's death and the clues on the albums and in the music. However, we never really ever paid any attention to it, because it wasn't something that personally affected our lives. Then I, like many others, found TKIN through a link on the CoasttoCoastAm website when Gary Patterson was a guest on the show. I don't think anyone here bought Sun King's 60IF story--(hook, line and sinker). Even from the beginning, there were just too many holes in the story--but Uberkinder's comparisons between Paul & Faul was enough to spark renewed interest.

I don't think any of us had any idea there were so many more clues than the same old ones which keep popping up over and again--and even some these old clues had to be revised because they were wrong (aka. the OPP patch). The mystery regarding Sylvie Vartan was a huge surprise too... So the new clues, along with historical research, and photographic, audio and visual analysis, really dispelled the idea the rumor was manufactured by a lone Bealtes fan.

[JoJo]

I know there are a couple of people here who have carried this thought around with them for ages, decades even, and these people must have thought they were going mad, I know I would have. Do any of your family and friends think you're bonkers, have you pointed out the differences to them, if so what do they think?

To answer this one, I pick and choose.. Some people in my family are open to far out ideas, and some aren't..I know very well which ones to approach. (perhaps it's genetic, lol) I made the mistake of telling a not so open minded person about this, and was promptly told to "get a life". Gee, that's harsh, haha. I don't really care at this point, but on the other hand, it's not worth the trouble to broach the subject with those who don't wish to think it over first, so.. I just figure those who are destined to find us (or other boards with the same subject matter) will do so.

I will echo what JGD said, I found the first internet discussion through the CTC AM radio show. (TKIN/60IF)

I really first heard of the possibility when I was eight, back in 1970 from a somewhat older kid who was visiting us from New York that summer. I know it had been talked about for a year at that point, but we hadn't heard about it somehow. So, we are listening to The Beatles, and he proceded to tell us that the Paul McCartney portrayed on the Pepper cover was not the real deal, that the facial features were not correct; different nose for example. He then said that Paul was not dead, just badly injured in a car accident and indeed he was "back" for the Let It Be album.

That's the story as he understood it, which in light of the discussions today about what was being said THEN.. is odd, never been able to figure out where that came from.

Between then and three years ago, I never really thought about it, and never much followed the solo careers, except in the first few years. I also think PWR is part of an unsolved mystery, and is but a subset of that story.

[jerriwillmore]

Saw the Spooner site knocked my socks off.

[Jai Guru Deva]

I'll tell you what, when I was 10 I heard a radio show called the history of rock & roll. At one point during the segment on The Beatles, there was a voice of a Beatle which I did not recognize. I asked my friend about it and I seem to recall he might have thought it sounded like George. But I wasn't really convinced it was George, nor did he sound like any of the other Beatles I had heard. Otherwise, I had heard alluded to in a few radio and television shows about the Beatles, but it was always quickly dismissed as a faux pas with things like the interview where John Lennon says there's nothing to it, or "Paul" saying he'd be the last to know if he was dead.

When I was little kid, I also remember listening to my sister's "Back to the Egg" album, and I sort of knew about the Beatles and who was Paul McCartney. The strangest thing is I got hooked on the song, "Winter Rose" and one which I thought Faul was trying to say more than he was letting on... It's a hauntingly beautiful song, but listening to it again, I honestly don't know how anyone could've thought it was Paul McCartney singing. I think I could sense that at the time, but I didn't yet develope critical thinking skills to understand it.

Winter Rose/Love Awake

[fourthousandholes]

WINTER ROSE

"All through the summer
I have followed you around
Bringing a rose
for the winter that's coming;
Now the snow is on the ground.

Winter rose. winter rose.
Shine your light in the air.
Winter rose. winter rose.
Shine your light everywhere."

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LO HOW A ROSE E'ER BLOOMING

Lo, how a rose e'er blooming,
From tender stem hath sprung!
From Jesse’s lineage coming,
As men of old have sung.

It came, a floweret bright,
Amid the cold of winter
When half spent was the night.

Isaiah 'twas foretold it,
The Rose I have in mind
With Mary we behold it,
The Virgin mother kind

To show God's love aright,
She bore to us a Savior
When half spent was the night

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LOVE AWAKE

Love awake; toll the bell.
Tell the world how glad you are.
Love awake to the day
When we can make our love awake......

Snow falls in the winter;
Spring brings the rain.
But it's never too long
before the summer comes again.
It always comes again!
Love awake.

Guess I'm just impatient for Christmas!

Oh, and my story is the second post here:

invanddis.proboards29.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1157069708

Like everyone else, I was "in denial" for years afterward.
Then I heard the "Coast To Coast AM" broadcast, and found the TKIN website listed on their website.

[Doc]

jaigurudeva said:

I'll tell you what, when I was 10 I heard a radio show called the history of rock & roll. At one point during the segment on The Beatles, there was a voice of a Beatle which I did not recognize. I asked my friend about it and I seem to recall he might have thought it sounded like George. But I wasn't really convinced it was George, nor did he sound like any of the other Beatles I had heard. Otherwise, I had heard alluded to in a few radio and television shows about the Beatles, but it was always quickly dismissed as a faux pas with things like the interview where John Lennon says there's nothing to it, or "Paul" saying he'd be the last to know if he was dead.

When I was little kid, I also remember listening to my sister's "Back to the Egg" album, and I sort of knew about the Beatles and who was Paul McCartney. The strangest thing is I got hooked on the song, "Winter Rose" and one which I thought Faul was trying to say more than he was letting on... It's a hauntingly beautiful song, but listening to it again, I honestly don't know how anyone could've thought it was Paul McCartney singing--I think I could sense that at the time, but I didn't yet developement the critical thinking skills to understand it.

Winter Rose/Love Awake

Why do I always like the sad, pretty, or serious songs?

That is beautiful. The vocal harmonies are scrumptuous--especially the line "to the day" that rich chord-wow, nice. Pretty pretty. I don't really hear James Paul so much there as the vocals are rendered very James Paul-ishly.

Ah, a winter sing-a-long around a fire. And horses. Very cozy, assuring images.

[lili]

Jackie, I will give you my story another day. I don't have time today to get into it. ;D

[LOVELYRITA]

My older siblings were into the Beatles, and when the PID rumours came out in 1969 I remember my sister playing the records over and over trying to find the clues. But it was brushed off as hoax, a gimmick to sell more records. You know how the information agents push out these "alternate" stories as a sort of damage control and dismiss the original information released.

My sister was doing research on the illuminati and there was a site with an article that John Lennon's death was govt. related. Then there was a link with the Title
"Is Paul Mc Cartney really dead?" something to that affect and when clicking that link, it showed the Uberkinder pics. So she did a google search and found the 60IF document we went through together. Then we found TKIN's site and I found this site. I had posted some in REV 9 and was banned without notice. So I registered here and the rest is forum history...

But it was a startling revelation to see the photo comparisons and the audio. Then remembering things and how the music changed and the "vibes" between the band members were so drastically different since 1966. So the realization of this entire scenario has been one quite difficult since I grew up with the Beatles. I was only 2 when they were on Ed Sullivan, I turned 3 that May...so now at the ripe old age of 45, they were a huge part of my life..musically...and the shock of this was something that took a long time to get over.

It's a very disturbing thing the image that one had of a group of individuals and the impression of their music on one's life, serving as a soundtrack of life's journey...to realize that people can be killed off and replaced and the "system" continues as if nothing has been interrupted as planned. It's really horrifying.

[lili]

LR posted:

It's a very disturbing thing the image that one had of a group of individuals and the impression of their music on one's life, serving as a soundtrack of life's journey...to realize that people can be killed off and replaced and the "system" continues as if nothing has been interrupted as planned. It's really horrifying.

As usual, our Lovely Rita has said a mouthful.

That is exactly the same impression that this whole sordid mess has left on me.

I found the uberkinder site in a similar manner. It didn't take me long to download the Shakespearian sketch & watch it. The entire sketch is on one of The Beatles DVD's that you can get for $5 at a store like Walmart or K-Mart.
The version I downloaded was only maybe the 1st 10 minutes of it ?
It was more than enough time for me to see that the man who was walking around that stage while reading his lines off his hand was NOT Paul McCartney. At least, he looked nothing like the man that I had gotten to know with that name. The man I had grown up with. I was shocked clear down to my shoes.
I had been a big Beatle fan when I was growing up. I lost interest when I was 11 or 12 years old. You can say that Paul was my 1st love. When he married Linda, I started losing interest in him. Then when I bought & listened to the Hey Jude & Let it Be albums, I was completely thrown for a loop. What happened to the wonderful music & friendship that always permeated those earlier recordings ?
While watching that Shakespearian sketch, I was very confused. I knew that the person I was watching was supposed to be Paul McCartney. I also knew that there was no way that he was the same man who married Linda.
I've been deeply involved in PID ever since.

[lili]

I just researched the Shakespearean Sketch. It's on the Fun with the Fab Four DVD. It's also for sale on VHS tape on Amazon.com.

[masque]

Hey Lili,

I gotta see that sketch, i'll go into the wonderful youtube and see if I can get it up, I have no sound card on my computer at the moment (long story), so I won't be able to hear anything, but watching is enough for now! You know, the more i look at old photos and videos, the more the eye is trained almost to see the difference, actually, a VAST difference, there is one clip I am thinking of in particular, i don't know how to do links but i'll find it and pass on the info, there is a brief shot of the real Paul at the end in colour and it is SHOCKING!

[masque]

Found it, its called Beatles and Beatlemania, go into google videos and tap it in, there is a mish mash of interviews and crowd hysteria, some in colour, WATCH OUT FOR PAUL right at the end, it's only brief, he's smiling and it really does illustrate-as in the words of The King is Naked-THE ONE TRUE PAUL MCCARTNEY!

Apologies to anyone who has already seen this, as i suspect many of you have, but Lili, this is YOUR paul, the one you remember.

[lili]

Thank you, Jackie. Actually, that is all Paul. 100% unadulterated James Paul McCartney. He had a free & easy way about him. He had the sweetest smile. No matter how many surgeries he has, Bill will never duplicate that smile. Alot of the time, Bill's smile doesn't quite reach his eyes.

[masque]

You're welcome Lili.

I have that little beauty of a clip saved so i can watch it often. In watching Paul, you can really detect how animated his face was, he was always pulling so many different expressions all the time, i have a feeling he couldn't hide what he was thinking, good or bad, i love the way he used to screw his face up while laughing, fantastic!

There was a 'passiveness' about Bill, a stillness, i know people change, mature, but a personality transplant wasen't possible those days, and still isn't!

[lili]

That's very true. Someone a long time ago summed it up best. Paul was a true diamond. Bill is a cubic zirconia. He may look perfect, but he'll never touch what Paul was !
You're right. Their personalities are very different from each other.
One of the reasons the Beatles broke up was because John & Bill both wanted to be top dog. Paul was happy to let John run the show. He felt overwhelmed enough by his life. He didn't need to be top dog !

[masque]

Lili,

That saying is PERFECT! A diamond indeed, and then they present Bill to the world, OH MY GOD what a travesty! Bill must have had some arrogance to assume joint command with John of the band that had been going a long time before he entered the scene.

[lili]

Because of the title of Bill's record album, RAM, there are those of us who suspect that he might be an Aries.
Considering his personality, I'd say that's a good bet. Aries vs. Libra. We need someone who knows things about astrology to tell us how those two signs get along.
John was Libra, Paul was Gemini. Those two signs are supposed to get along very well in business & creativity.

[-Wings-]

Well, let's just say I'm a Beatles fan first and someone who bangs the conspiracy drum a far second. I don't entertain conspiracy theories. I think the majority are rubbish. Hell, I don't even consider what's going on here to be a "conspiracy," so to speak.

There was a nagging feeling in the back of my mind for a long time concerning the Beatles. It was discovering this community that it dawned on me what that feeling was. Paul McCartney was replaced. I don't know if he died. I don't know if he's still alive. I don't pretend to know the reasons. However, I'm fairly confident that Paul was replaced. It suddenly makes the entire post-'66 Beatles catalogue make lyrical sense.

[fourthousandholes]

Aries and Libra get along well, but "shared leadership" could be difficult for them. More like sharing the lead, each in turn.

[lili]

I don't think that Johnny liked to "share". Especially with someone who came on the scene & decided that he had as much to say as John did.

[masque]

You know it's funny, I remember reading something on google a while back to do with bill wanting to reform the Beatles in 1974, but George said he would never want to be in a band with 'paul McCartney' again, i know he treated George badly in the latter days, in the Let it be film both bill and John were ignoring him in one segment, with george saying to them "Just tell me what you want me to do and i'll do it" It was bad enough watching that all those years ago thinking it was PAUL and John treating him like that, but imagine George's anger knowing that the interloper was pulling his weight!

[lili]

That is rather disturbing. Poor George.

[masque]

The look on George's face said it all, SERIOUSLY PISSED OFF!