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Post by mysteryboy on Jun 29, 2007 12:36:29 GMT -5
The writer certainly would not have used the words "Linda and I" if he or she were not a friend.
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Post by JoJo on Jul 1, 2007 18:02:08 GMT -5
 That's a great article, JoJo. It seems unlikely that a friend of the Beatles would make something like that up, or tell it to an acquaintance at a party without a good reason. And it was well before the rumor became public knowledge. JoJo, you have super-human abilities to find gems like this! I hope you don't mind me kicking this up to the front. I've never seen this before. New York Times? I would think the editor would have had to have a source before letting this go to print, unless the it was supposed to be a comedy piece. I would love to know which section of the Times this was printed in... I don't get the feeling that his source was joking. Not exactly the thing one would say at a Beatles party unless it were true. And it fits so well with the time line and events, though I do believe it was September rather than November. The writer's last sentence is telling. It doesn't appear that he is dissing PID at all as he sends his congrats to "whoever you are". Really great stuff and I hope this is investigated more here. I can't find any traces of the writer, though I suppose he was using assumed name. The story attributed by the friend of the Beatles sounds quite serious and deadpan. Extraordinary find. I don't mind at all MB, always one of my favorites. I'm not sure which section this is from, as I got this online, rather than digging through microfilms. The word "Pop" at the beginning leads me to believe it's from the Living/Arts section, (or whatever the NYT calls it) so it's not in a hard news section but.. IMO J. was repeating what he was told, and I also wouldn't be surprised if one of the "Fools" was the culprit. But, how many others were told this in such a casual manner? Seems like someone wanted to fuel the rumors? This just seems more odd now than it did three years ago... I found the real name of the guy who wrote this, as me mentioned the book he and Linda worked on together: www.amazon.com/Rock-other-four-letter-words/dp/B0006DWJ64(Jamake Highwater) |
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Post by mysteryboy on Jul 1, 2007 18:50:26 GMT -5
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Post by JoJo on Jul 1, 2007 18:57:00 GMT -5
Oh man, that's hilarious! (Mr. Highwater is NOT DEAD!)  |
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Post by jarvitronics on Jul 1, 2007 19:40:45 GMT -5
I have a hard time with this actually being copies of pages from the New York Times. There are no advertisements and no other articles visible. Plus the galleys are irregular in length, they have blank white space at the bottoms, and there is too much gutter space between columns.
Whatever this is, it is most certainly not a copy of the New York Times.
-j
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Post by mysteryboy on Jul 1, 2007 19:47:01 GMT -5
Well, no one ever believed the Times would "betray" it's readers by going to color recent times.
I'll have to have a look around and see if I have any copies of the Times from 40 years ago. I would think that there may have been some changes since then. Good point though.
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Post by beatlies on Jul 1, 2007 19:48:31 GMT -5
The writer certainly would not have used the words "Linda and I" if he or she were not a friend. One side of Linda Eastman (Epstein)'s family is named Dryfoos; an uncommon name. Also the name of one of the New York Times pre-Sulzbergers' publishing families. I wonder if she is of any relation to that Dryfoos family. |
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Post by mysteryboy on Jul 1, 2007 20:25:06 GMT -5
I have a hard time with this actually being copies of pages from the New York Times. There are no advertisements and no other articles visible. Plus the galleys are irregular in length, they have blank white space at the bottoms, and there is too much gutter space between columns. Whatever this is, it is most certainly not a copy of the New York Times. -j O' ye of little faith... About the Author(s) Jamake Highwater is the author of over twenty books, including the award-winning Myth and Sexuality and The Primal Mind . He has written for The New York Times , Chicago Tribune , Vogue , Esquire , and The Christian Science Monitor , and has been a lecturer at Columbia University and New York University. Look who the guy wrote for. Three multiple Pulitzer prize winning newspapers. I doubt this article appeared anywhere other than where JoJo states it came from. |
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Post by mysteryboy on Jul 1, 2007 20:26:08 GMT -5
Oh man, that's hilarious! (Mr. Highwater is NOT DEAD!) Pretty strange, eh?  |
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Post by mysteryboy on Jul 1, 2007 20:27:53 GMT -5
The writer certainly would not have used the words "Linda and I" if he or she were not a friend. One side of Linda Eastman (Epstein)'s family is named Dryfoos; an uncommon name. Also the name of one of the New York Times pre-Sulzbergers' publishing families. I wonder if she is of any relation to that Dryfoos family. Interesting! Will follow up. Thanks! |
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Post by jarvitronics on Jul 1, 2007 20:33:19 GMT -5
O' ye of little faith... About the Author(s) Jamake Highwater is the author of over twenty books, including the award-winning Myth and Sexuality and The Primal Mind . He has written for The New York Times , Chicago Tribune , Vogue , Esquire , and The Christian Science Monitor , and has been a lecturer at Columbia University and New York University. Look who the guy wrote for. Three multiple Pulitzer prize winning newspapers. I doubt this article appeared anywhere other than where JoJo states it came from. All I am saying is that the images that were posted are not scans of The New York Times. The article itself may well have appeared in the New York Times, but the scans we are looking at came from another source. -j |
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Post by mysteryboy on Jul 1, 2007 20:38:29 GMT -5
O' ye of little faith... About the Author(s) Jamake Highwater is the author of over twenty books, including the award-winning Myth and Sexuality and The Primal Mind . He has written for The New York Times , Chicago Tribune , Vogue , Esquire , and The Christian Science Monitor , and has been a lecturer at Columbia University and New York University. Look who the guy wrote for. Three multiple Pulitzer prize winning newspapers. I doubt this article appeared anywhere other than where JoJo states it came from. All I am saying is that the images that were posted are not scans of The New York Times. The article itself may well have appeared in the New York Times, but the scans we are looking at came from another source. -j Ok. Thanks for clarifying. |
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Post by JoJo on Jul 1, 2007 20:42:04 GMT -5
I have a hard time with this actually being copies of pages from the New York Times. There are no advertisements and no other articles visible. Plus the galleys are irregular in length, they have blank white space at the bottoms, and there is too much gutter space between columns. Whatever this is, it is most certainly not a copy of the New York Times. -j I'm sorry sir, but you are quite incorrect. This is from a Proquest search, and it works by retrieving a PDF file that was OCR'd, (optical character recognition) which allows the indexing of scanned files. Perhaps it looks odd, but that's how this service works, segregating the stories as if they were clipped with a pair of scissors. Proquest is quite above board, and serves many large universties, like the one I'm associated with. If you still are skeptical, I can track it down in the microfilm room. (although I'd rather not, kinda tedious..) |
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Post by jarvitronics on Jul 1, 2007 20:54:27 GMT -5
I have a hard time with this actually being copies of pages from the New York Times. There are no advertisements and no other articles visible. Plus the galleys are irregular in length, they have blank white space at the bottoms, and there is too much gutter space between columns. Whatever this is, it is most certainly not a copy of the New York Times. -j I'm sorry sir, but you are quite incorrect. This is from a Proquest search, and it works by retrieving a PDF file that was OCR'd, (optical character recognition) which allows the indexing of scanned files. Perhaps it looks odd, but that's how this service works, segregating the stories as if they were clipped with a pair of scissors. Proquest is quite above board, and serves many large universties, like the one I'm associated with. If still are skeptical, I can track it down in the microfilm room. (although I'd rather not, kinda tedious..) Sigh. I never said the article wasn't from the NYT. All I am trying to say is that the images we are looking at are not physical NY Times pages. (Reread my post and you will see what I mean.) The individual columns of text were lifted from the newspaper, and assembled electronically into the PDFs that you downloaded. That is why there are no ads, the gutters are too wide, and the galleys are of unequal length. Thank you for identifying your source. -j |
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Post by JoJo on Jul 1, 2007 21:12:36 GMT -5
Sigh. I never said the article wasn't from the NYT. All I am trying to say is that the images we are looking at are not physical NY Times pages. (Reread my post and you will see what I mean.) Yes.. And I never said in my orignal post that I scanned this from an actual copy of the NYT. I think (it was a while ago) that I figured lifting from Proquest was a bit uh..iffy.. (so I never exactly said either way you will note) But , I figured anyone with any doubts (and there were a lot of people back then who would nitpick everything I posted) could look it up if they so chose. But yes, I get your point, technically it's not a scan of a paper and ink copy. (that wasn't clear to me, sorry I misinterpreted) |
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Post by jarvitronics on Jul 1, 2007 21:22:57 GMT -5
No fouls, no harm, honest discussion. All good. Thank you for bearing with me.
Fascinating article.
-j
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Post by Mellow Yellow on Jul 2, 2007 1:15:21 GMT -5
Hmmm I wonder if my University's library has anything worth looking fer (not that I'd even know how to go about it, I usually get lost in that place).... Highly doubtful, although they do have quite the vinyl collection.
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Post by fourthousandholes on Jul 2, 2007 7:31:54 GMT -5
Maybe a glow-in-the-dark Pepper. Better yet: in Mono. |
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Post by JoJo on Jul 2, 2007 16:29:05 GMT -5
Something from about two weeks previous:  |
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Post by mysteryboy on Jul 2, 2007 17:27:44 GMT -5
Interesting that the photo supplied to the Times was a 1966 JPM photo rather than a then-current 1969 photo. ( I am assuming that Apple provided the Times with a press release photo).
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Post by TotalInformation on Jul 2, 2007 23:23:28 GMT -5
It's a first-person feature story, and the remark is discounted, so Marks doesn't need to treat it as a source per se.
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Post by faulguy on Aug 7, 2009 13:57:09 GMT -5
Thanks for this, interesting read.
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Post by revolver on Jun 18, 2022 19:22:27 GMT -5
I recently subscribed to the New York Times online, which gives access to their archives. I found this article there. Here's a shared PDF of the whole article for anyone wishing to read it again.
I highlighted the section with the previously discussed clipping.
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Post by beatles1966 on Jun 22, 2022 2:30:10 GMT -5
I recently subscribed to the New York Times online, which gives access to their archives. I found this article there. Here's a shared PDF of the whole article for anyone wishing to read it again.
I highlighted the section with the previously discussed clipping.
Thank you very much, it's appreciated. Amazing to remember a nearly 20 year old thread to post this in, lol. Time flies too fast. |
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