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Post by The Deceptionist on Sept 29, 2007 19:46:40 GMT -5
down the rabbit-hole i go...
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Post by JoJo on Sept 29, 2007 23:03:54 GMT -5
I'll repost this one, the golden ratio/spiral from The Division Bell cover. I'm not entirely clear on the method to start drawing the lines, You say: "When overlayed across the cover of TDB they match up exactly with the angle of the light in the piece." The Golden Ratio appears over and over within nature. The ancient Egyptians used this ratio to build the great pyramids. It was also implemented by the Druids in the building of Stone Henge, by the Romans in the building of all of the complexes associated with Great Rome, and by the Freemasons in building all of the US capitols, monuments, and shrines. Since this ratio was found over and over again in all of nature from the largest bodies to the smallest particle, the Pythagoreans beleived that this was a divine expression of the creator itself, and they beleived the ratio embodied magical properties. It would seem that this beleif is still existent today among ALL secret societies and esoteric cults. This ratio can also be used a myriad of other mediums, such as artwork, lyrics, and music for example. "Lyrics, Artwork and Music will take you there" Publius 94' It is rumoured that The Division Bell artwork contains a secret which points to a buried treasure. As we discussed earlier, Storm Thorgerson does the majority of artwork for Pink Floyd. His graphic design company's name is HIPGNOSIS which is a clever anagram for PHI GNOSIS or "The knowledge of the Golden Ratio" Zoom in and notice the picture on the back of Storm's cloak img235.imageshack.us/img235/6979/pinkfloyd1975tourcomicbook010m.jpgHe has stated publically that he does indeed use this formula in his artwork. Every line you see here is related to the Golden Ratio. They almost appear as beams of light. When overlayed across the cover of TDB they match up exactly with the angle of the light in the piece. This is how we know where to start drawing the diagram, and this is also how we know which side to repeat in order to make the cover (which is a perfect square) into a Golden Rectangle. Also the square which is created in the middle of the diagram corresponds directly to the bottom of the nose and to the tangients of the circle of the eyes further verifying that the diagram has been correctly placed. Make no mistake, these are far to precise to be coincedence. The Golden Spiral can also be drawn from this diagram. The golden spiral was used heavily by secret societies such as the Knights Templar (Pirates) to bury treasure in locations that could only be revealed to other initiates with the use of this Spiral and other Golden shapes, such as the Golden Triangle, The Golden Rectangle and the Pentagram (which is considered to be the perfect representation of PHI) www.sinnverlag.de/Bilder/leonardo.jpg (non-working link) Notice How the Golden Spiral lands directly on the Horizon? That is because the position of the Horizon line on the piece was derived by using the Golden Ratio. And what's this? It seems that the spiral is pointing at a specific tree there in the background? I wonder if it is of any significance? Here is a composite, X marks the spot ya landluvin dogs! Yo Ho Ho and a Botlle of Rum!
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Post by mystery tour on Sept 30, 2007 3:29:50 GMT -5
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Post by B on Sept 30, 2007 9:33:23 GMT -5
PlasticPaul, could you grab a shovel and dig under that tree and see if you can find anything? ;D The Deceptionist is already there, btw.
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Post by The Deceptionist on Sept 30, 2007 12:23:09 GMT -5
*looks for the big W*
lol you're lucky I'm poor and unemployed or I'd be over there like a flash!
"Get orf me land!!" they'd say
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Post by arod777 on Sept 30, 2007 15:00:31 GMT -5
"I'll repost this one, the golden ratio/spiral from The Division Bell cover. I'm not entirely clear on the method to start drawing the lines, You say: "When overlayed across the cover of TDB they match up exactly with the angle of the light in the piece."
Yes because the origins of the diaganol lines in the golden rectangle are meant to line up with the origin of the light in The Division Bell artwork. I beleive this was Storm Thorgeson's way of telling us which way to orient the division of the Golden rectangle and thus giveing us the precise location of where the golden spiral was to land. His artwork as well as all the works of Pink Floyd deals heavily with the concepts of "light" both outer and inner, the Dark Side of the Moon prism being a prime example. the Beatles also have a song called "Inner Light" refering to the same concepts expressed in the bulk of this thread.
P.S. I made an edit to my previous post. If you haven't already go back and read it.
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Post by horseloverphat on Sept 30, 2007 15:29:12 GMT -5
"There is so much to this enigma and I don't have time to go into it all, but in short this all links up to anceint knowledge passed onto mankind by these visitors, and ultimately it connects to the mayan end date of the Winter Solstice Dec 2012 at exactly 11:11 universal time, in which our Sun, our Earth, and Pluto will be in Alignment with the center of our Galaxy." Arod777......can you guess who is planning to hijack this event...of direct consciousness from the source? they've been waiting and working on it for....for oh such a long time. 26,000 years....is a long cycle on the physical plane. thanks for your input btw.....it has been very useful to me.
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Post by arod777 on Sept 30, 2007 17:06:39 GMT -5
You are definitley someone who has done their homework. I agree with your conclusion about the 11:11 being a trigger. But.... my intuition tells me that it is bigger than just another mind control technique. here is what I am learning from my inner teacher's. And it is a little hard to accept, but it is the only possible conclusion. Whoever is "behind this" is ultimately an extesion of myself since all of creation exists in a single point. the reason I am not fully aware and self actualized is becasue I put myself in this state of unawareness to fufill some sort of objective. The cattle deserve to be led becasue this is the part of the whole that has no drive to discover itself. Ultimetely this creates unbalance through void of purpose (this may not be the most appropriate choice of words, but it is how I am coming to understand it) And just as water will seek to level itself off when there is a void within it, so does all existence. The alignment of the cosmic forces and masses are only symbolic of the conscious conjunction that is taking place within us all... since we are all ultimately the same consciousness. The surface of worldwide physical communication mirrors the spiritual conscious connection that is taking place. We are all connecting on a deep pshychological level until ultimately all life will recognize itself in everything else. This will be the time when God awakes from his own dream.... the end of time and space? so to answer your question... the one who is behind all of this... is me. From my perspective that is The illusion of a force that is seperate from our own being and keeping us enslaved is just another obstacle or lesson that must be surpassed. I also realize that this is extremely contradictory to my previous post in which I stated that there is a force that has kept these secrets from mankind for thousands of years, but ultimately, if we are all one being, the only conclusion is that the majority of human beings were not meant to be in possesion of this knowledge for whatever Godly reason that may be. But the simple action of consciousness seeking out this self knowledge from itself signals that it is ready to realize itself once again. And thus the part of ourself who has kept this information from the ignorant part of ourself has no choice but to allow itself to become self aware. For a kingdom divided by itself will not stand. This probably makes absolutely no sense to anyone but me, but this is the lesson I am currently surpassing. It is good to find people who have actively set out to understand what is truly happening to us. Gives me hope that the time of revelation is near. I look forward to your help.
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Post by plastic paul on Sept 30, 2007 17:16:23 GMT -5
Where is this magical tree meant to be then?
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Post by JoJo on Sept 30, 2007 17:17:45 GMT -5
I got better than half way through, I stopped at the golden ratio/spiral post.. thought it deserved a reprint with the images embedded here. It's funny, your comments about making the choice to feel bad if someone gives you a hard time (or words to that effect) is something that makes it way now to one day workshops that employers send their employees to.. We were told pretty much exactly that, it's a choice. If you want to start a new thread, then by all means.
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Post by B on Sept 30, 2007 17:25:08 GMT -5
Where is this magical tree meant to be then? It's right there! Don't you see it? ;D By the left guy's shoulder. Almost looks like an orb! Here is a composite, X marks the spot ya landluvin dogs! Yo Ho Ho and a Bottle of Rum! Where the Deceptionist is standing with the shovel. arod777 wrote: "the one who is behind all of this...is me." Crucify him! Er - I mean, yeah, I kinda thought so. And I understood what you said, too!
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Post by arod777 on Sept 30, 2007 18:16:30 GMT -5
exactly, since this spiral and x lands directly on this tree, I beleive it is a strong idication that there is a clue somewhere in the vicinity. But I also know that it has been 13 years since the enigma was devised and there is a good chance that either someone has already found it or it no longer exists.... for all I know the tree may not even be there anymore. I would definitely consider this enough evidence, at the very least, to at least take a look at the area if I ever get the funds and time to take a trip to england. My hunch is that there is some sort of marking or buried clue at this tree which would probably lead to another clue. On another note: I was told a few years ago by self proclaimed "Insiders" that this all somehow links to Oak Island, a place off the coast of nova Scotia where a treasure is rumoured to be buried. This treasure has been strongly linked to Freemasons and the Knights Templar, as well as the infamous pirate William Kidd. Through my own individual research I linked William Kidd to Henry Livingston (the true author of "Twas the night before Christmas" which I beleive contains a code) to John Jacob Astor, Freemason and founder of the town Astoria Oregon, and also the Astoria Hotels. I beleive somehow information was relayed from William Kidd to the Livingstons, passed down through generations to Henry Livingston and somehow ended up in john Jacob Astor's possesion who uncovered the pirates treasure along with secret esoteric knowledge and then used it to build his fortune. There is a rumour that was floating around that John Astor did indeed find William Kidd's treasure on an Island that belonged to someone else, and that a lawsuit resulted from it... though this was claimed to be an outright hoax, I am certain there is truth to the matter. read this post I made... it's not too long Also take note that I mention the company EMI if memory serves me correctly, the Beatles were also invloved with EMI. groups.google.com/group/alt.music.pink-floyd/browse_thread/thread/77592835d3fd4471/3edff10c59a60daa?lnk=gst&q=&rnum=2#3edff10c59a60daa
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Post by Valis on Sept 30, 2007 22:03:34 GMT -5
so to answer your question... the one who is behind all of this... is me. From my perspective that is You're wrong, it is me who is behind all this ;D You bring up some great stuff Arod, voicing a lot of ideas I've tried to put in words for a long time. I'm now digging my way through your link to the Pink Floyd list, I've been reading for a few hours already but still only on page 3. This is exactly what I need to read right now, what a timing. It feels that all is speeding up at the moment, NIR is IMO more interesting now than ever (a lot of negativity has gone), I'm having some great private discussions with some members taking it all to a deeper level, and also see things falling into place in my own life finally. It's funny how you got all the negative reactions on the Floyd list while at the same time I was having a hard time putting my ideas into words (and even harder to put them into action). It wasn't time yet. I started a thread a while ago about similar ideas but got frustrated and abandoned it. I'll pick that one up soon again, you can find it here: invanddis.proboards29.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1185405179Anyways good to have you on board Arod. Now we're getting somewhere All Love Jan
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Post by plastic paul on Oct 1, 2007 7:29:07 GMT -5
Ah I see, I hadn't realised that we knew that it was Ely in Cambridgeshire.
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Post by arod777 on Oct 2, 2007 10:03:59 GMT -5
"You're wrong, it is me who is behind all this " It's quite a releif that that post made sense to someone else other than me So far the people I've met here seem to be alot more open minded and alot more dedicated to doing there own research then the Pink Floyd fans (most I've conversed with anyway). I guess I always knew that Beatles fans were intelligent "think out of the box" type people but I guess I just assumed Pink Floyd fans would be also. I look forward to working with many of you. And hope I can offer help to you all on your journey. talk to you soon -ant
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Post by The Deceptionist on Oct 2, 2007 10:13:36 GMT -5
So far the people I've met here seem to be alot more open minded and alot more dedicated to doing there own research then the Pink Floyd fans (most I've conversed with anyway). I guess I always knew that Beatles fans were intelligent "think out of the box" type people but I guess I just assumed Pink Floyd fans would be also. I think its probably more to do with the fact that most of us in here are already grooving on 'crazy' conspiracy theories than simply that we're Beatles fans; there are plenty of other Beatle-fans (try macca's fun-house) who refuse to see the light so to speak. But you're right: the people in here are a hell of a lot more open-minded than most other places - which is my favourite NIR attribute ;D
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Post by JoJo on Oct 3, 2007 21:07:33 GMT -5
"You're wrong, it is me who is behind all this " It's quite a releif that that post made sense to someone else other than me So far the people I've met here seem to be alot more open minded and alot more dedicated to doing there own research then the Pink Floyd fans (most I've conversed with anyway). I guess I always knew that Beatles fans were intelligent "think out of the box" type people but I guess I just assumed Pink Floyd fans would be also. Yeah I don't understand the Floyd fans being such tough cases about the underlying messages, seems like many are quite defensive. I found this old Floyd forum, and it got closed down because of "inappropriate postings": LINKWere you a contributer there? Closing it down seems to be a bit overkill.. Maybe Beatles fans don't take themselves too seriously, and there's a bit of a sense of adventure and fun.
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Post by TotalInformation on Oct 4, 2007 1:33:28 GMT -5
Faul was basically locked out of the creative process by Lennon, Martin et alia during Pepper, a meat puppet who entered and left EMI for the cameras. It makes sense that he would use this free time to go watch Floyd make music. Rick: I seem to remember, I think ’m sure I heard Day In Life going on while we were doing our sessions which is one of my favourite tracks by The Beatles and we certainly … and I know Paul McCartney would pop into our studio … only Paul And I’m not sure which track it was, what was the name … er, Lily? Guy: No, Rita. Rick: Rita! Lovely Rita! I think they were doing that when we went in. And they were all very nice and er John Lennon, he was my hero, even then, as was Syd’s actually and he was very kind of cool, but Paul McCartney was extremely nice and would come back into our studio and er … so it was pretty amazing that we were doing our first album and I think the Beatles were possibly creating one of their best albums of all time." Rick Wright, August 2007
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Post by ccinri on Oct 6, 2007 15:47:14 GMT -5
John Cleese mentions working on Human Face project with a man who has studied the scientific measurement of beauty and how the ancient proportion of 1:1.618 is key in that determination. www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5jIu_HFOUE
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Post by arod777 on Oct 6, 2007 18:48:56 GMT -5
John Cleese mentions working on Human Face project with a man who has studied the scientific measurement of beauty and how the ancient proportion of 1:1.618 is key in that determination. www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5jIu_HFOUEPink Floyd are HUGE Monty Python fans regarding Holy Grail "Profits from Pink Floyd's album The Dark Side of the Moon went towards financing the movie. The band members were such fans of the show, they would halt recording sessions just to watch Monty Python's Flying Circus (1969–1974)." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_Python_and_the_Holy_GrailThese people are all very familiar with the potential associated with using this proportion in all mediums of communication. Art, Lyrics, Music, Cinema, and even in their everyday actions. Freemasons have an old saying that goes something like this. Masons should "square their actions by the square of virtue" and learn to "circumscribe their desires and keep their passions within due bounds toward all mankind". If you are familiar with geometry you know that a method of determining the golden ratio is by squaring off and circling a segment of line. This is also why Freemasons use the square and compass for their symbology. The square represents the straight line or male aspect of creation while the compass represents the curved line or the female aspect. The combination of these two results in magical formulas that the "Grand Architect of the Universe" uses to construct reality. The combintaion of the line and circle yileds not only PHI (the Golden Ration) but also PI which is how many times you can wrap the diameter of a perfect circle around the perimeter of that circle. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PiAs we all know PI is an irrational number, meaning that the exact measurment cannot be defined by our number system. The places after the decimal point go on forever 3.14159265358979323846... it is truly infinite. Now as we all know Freemasons do not just come out and openly tell people their most guarded secrets. It takes a dedicated witty person to uncover what exactly is behind the masks of lies and decption, so I'm sure that the explanation of why they incorporate the straight and curved into their everyday actions is false... however even the truth can be derived from enough lies. The fact all major cultures have held these concepts into such high regard, and the fact that the universe is truly built with these magical formulas, and that even our own mind subconciously recognizes them without us necesarrily being consciously aware of it is plenty of indication that they can be used to manipulate not only the human mind but quite possible reality itself since all know reality is processed and interpreted by and within the mind. Basically, Iam certain that the corrrect application of this knowledge in our daily thoughts emotions and actions can be used to break the illusion of reality and allow one to ultimately experience one's true soul and desired reality. These are among the secrets that were disclosed to the ancestors of the rulers of the earth by beings that were far more advanced than we are today. The human rulers understood the fundamentals of reality and used them to manipulate and maintane control in place of these advanced beings until their return. Or perhaps they are simply the front for these advanced beings and they are still here operating as the true rulers from behind the scenes... after all their calling cards are to be found EVERYWHERE.
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Post by iameye on Oct 6, 2007 18:57:44 GMT -5
happy birthday arod! (yesterday) wasn't sure you would pass back 'round! ;D
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Post by arod777 on Oct 8, 2007 13:53:54 GMT -5
happy birthday arod! (yesterday) wasn't sure you would pass back 'round! ;D thank you
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Post by horseloverphat on Oct 8, 2007 16:01:58 GMT -5
Hi Arod.... have a look through this website (you may have come across it, I don't know) it very much ties in with some of your ideas....it may be of some use. website.lineone.net/~shaun_linton/MountHeredom/MountHeredom/Its focus is mainly on Scotland (scotia).....and may well cross pollenate with Nova Scotia (new scotland)...that you've mentioned. Hopefully more grist for your mill.....
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Post by plastic paul on Jan 1, 2008 20:40:12 GMT -5
Bump
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Post by arod777 on Feb 18, 2008 20:43:41 GMT -5
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