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Post by puzzled on Feb 4, 2009 23:53:39 GMT -5
Letter B asked:
"What I am saying is that the clues themselves are neither of darkness or of light, but they do point to something, and my guess is it is positive, or why even have the mystery to begin with?"
My Response:
Historically speaking, I would think manipulation of the masses?
If it is such a great treasure, why bury it? Why not just clearly communicate this positive message? They have lots of fans that would consider their words if they clearly spoke them, yes?
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Post by theanswer on Feb 5, 2009 6:00:22 GMT -5
To Letter B: I have to respectfully disagree. All I can say is watch the 10 hour DVD "They Sold Their Souls For Rock n Roll" Do you think Lucifer and Jesus are the same person? Is the serpent (that twisted God's words) in Genesis 3 a good guy? (Lucifer is actually a misnomer, but now that it has stuck, it has a negative connotation) All of the band members flat out lied and (at first) stated they knew nothing about the enigma...then Nick Mason came out and said it was a ploy by EMI. It has been documented that someone is lying about the whole thing Jesus never promoted lying or using deception for monetary gain. In fact, he was violently opposed to it (money changers in the temple) The obvious purpose is to sell records and merchandise...the hidden purpose is to announce their (MaSTeR's...T.S.M.R.) agenda (the end of national sovereignty and the beginning of a one world government, religion, and banking system to usher in 666...The Beast) "Bridges To Babylon" Galatians 1:8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.Listen to the negativity in John the Baptist's words: Luke 3 1Now in the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar, Pontius Pilate being governor of Judaea, and Herod being tetrarch of Galilee, and his brother Philip tetrarch of Ituraea and of the region of Trachonitis, and Lysanias the tetrarch of Abilene,
2Annas and Caiaphas being the high priests, the word of God came unto John the son of Zacharias in the wilderness.
3And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins;
4As it is written in the book of the words of Esaias the prophet, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
5Every valley shall be filled, and every mountain and hill shall be brought low; and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough ways shall be made smooth;
6And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.
7Then said he to the multitude that came forth to be baptized of him, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
8Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
9And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: every tree therefore which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
10And the people asked him, saying, What shall we do then?
11He answereth and saith unto them, He that hath two coats, let him impart to him that hath none; and he that hath meat, let him do likewise.
12Then came also publicans to be baptized, and said unto him, Master, what shall we do?
13And he said unto them, Exact no more than that which is appointed you.
14And the soldiers likewise demanded of him, saying, And what shall we do? And he said unto them, Do violence to no man, neither accuse any falsely; and be content with your wages.
15And as the people were in expectation, and all men mused in their hearts of John, whether he were the Christ, or not;
16John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:
17Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and will gather the wheat into his garner; but the chaff he will burn with fire unquenchable. People don't want to hear the bad news of the consequences of their actions...that's why Rock-n-Roll's message of "Do what feels good" is so appealing (even though the consequences are evident) Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to preach to anyone here, I'm just stating my case...I used to be a big fan of Pink Floyd (and drugs and drinking), but then I had to put away childish things...(and I still do have to LOL...cigarettes and cussing) They are all false prophets(profits) because that is the way it has been set up by the record companies, and they know it. It's in the churches and our governmentS as well...and tell only half of the story (for the most part) John 3 16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,[f] that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.[g] 19This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. 20Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. 21But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God." the "hidden" TAU, Lucifer Sam, satan, etc...are not seen plainly There is a biblically sound reason for national boundaries...simply put, it's called "exile" (by God's mercy for hapless sinners and the oppressed) John Lennon's song "Imagine" opposes these things. but alas, I didn't want to get into this debate...which is inevitable Did you know the Greek word that translates into (KJV) "sorcery" is Pharmakia (drugs)? Yep, they killed my brother (40 years old in 2005)...he listened to the wrong gospel... P.S. sorry puzzled...I posted that before seeing your post...good point
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Post by plastic paul on Feb 5, 2009 7:29:47 GMT -5
Ha Ha, so it is. Boy he's been a naughty girl, he let his zipper down.
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Post by theanswer on Feb 5, 2009 18:04:03 GMT -5
Yes, if there is any basis for the Stallone image in the video, it definitely fits like a glove (pun intended) On the PULSE DVD tracklist (Division Bell tour video) numbers 7-10 spell K.A.O.S. 7 Keep Talking 8 Another Brick In The Wall part II 9 One Of These Days 10 Speak To Me points back to 1987, the year AMLOR and KAOS were released Ha Ha, so it is. Boy he's been a naughty girl, he let his zipper down. ahh, yes. Thanks for pointing that out...now I get it. I see the zipper in the image now. I tried the same technique on the image of Paul. Looks like a walrus on his back, and his torso looks like a blue devil's head (Blue Meanie?), to me anyway...and an arrow pointing up The way that image overlay (alpha transparency) works....it's really like a "glass onion" (see through layers) my apologies for my rock n roll tirade....it's just that music should be enjoyed, not used as a means to indoctrinate...one of the first things we learned as children was our ABC's...through music...it's a very powerful tool for memorization...and programming our minds to think certain ways...and not all rock music is bad, but the industry as a whole is corrupt. For instance, my daughter is influenced by the music her friends listen to. I found out she was listening to a band called H.I.M....sounds like a Christian name for a band. I did some research and found out it stands for "His Infernal Majesty" She chose a song for her Myspace account (she doesn't live with me, so I have no control over that) called "Rip off the wings of a butterfly"...how cute! Their logo is a "Heart-o-gram" which is a pentagram shaped like a heart...it is of course a metaphor of love for Satan! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.I.M.
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Post by theanswer on Feb 5, 2009 18:49:15 GMT -5
There is a biblically sound reason for national boundaries...simply put, it's called "exile" (by God's mercy for hapless sinners and the oppressed) actually, I think I meant "refuge"...which is what this country (USA) started out to be (immigrants seeking refuge from persecution and/or famine, etc...), until our government became "entangled" in other country's affairs en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_non-interventionism President Thomas Jefferson extended Washington's ideas in his March 4, 1801 inaugural address: "peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none." Jefferson's phrase "entangling alliances" is, incidentally, sometimes incorrectly attributed to Washington. "stuck in a world of isolation while the Ivy (League) grows over the door" Bridges to Babylon is an album by The Rolling Stones and was released in 1997. It would prove to be their final studio album of the 1990s and their last full-length release of new songs until 2005. The album was supported by a massive year-long worldwide tour that met with much success. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridges_To_BabylonMark Fisher designed the stages for Rolling Stones and Pink Floyd's Dvision Bell tours The Division Bell Stage was a sort of "all seeing eye" with 2 huge speaker towers on either side of the stage (WTC?) During the song "On The Run" a model airplane crashes and explodes (pyrotechnic stunt) into the base of one of the towers...in 1994 (okay...sorry..I have a terrible habit of rambling....back to focusing on-topic)
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Feb 5, 2009 20:58:04 GMT -5
Yes, if there is any basis for the Stallone image in the video, it definitely fits like a glove (pun intended) On the PULSE DVD tracklist (Division Bell tour video) numbers 7-10 spell K.A.O.S. 7 Keep Talking 8 Another Brick In The Wall part II 9 One Of These Days 10 Speak To Me points back to 1987, the year AMLOR and KAOS were released Ha Ha, so it is. Boy he's been a naughty girl, he let his zipper down. ahh, yes. Thanks for pointing that out...now I get it. I see the zipper in the image now. I tried the same technique on the image of Paul. Looks like a walrus on his back, and his torso looks like a blue devil's head (Blue Meanie?), to me anyway...and an arrow pointing up The way that image overlay (alpha transparency) works....it's really like a "glass onion" (see through layers) my apologies for my rock n roll tirade....it's just that music should be enjoyed, not used as a means to indoctrinate...one of the first things we learned as children was our ABC's...through music...it's a very powerful tool for memorization...and programming our minds to think certain ways...and not all rock music is bad, but the industry as a whole is corrupt. For instance, my daughter is influenced by the music her friends listen to. I found out she was listening to a band called H.I.M....sounds like a Christian name for a band. I did some research and found out it stands for "His Infernal Majesty" She chose a song for her Myspace account (she doesn't live with me, so I have no control over that) called "Rip off the wings of a butterfly"...how cute! Their logo is a "Heart-o-gram" which is a pentagram shaped like a heart...it is of course a metaphor of love for Satan! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.I.M. From the wiki page of HIM: "HIM, also known as 'HIS Infernal Majesty', is not to be confused with Infernäl Mäjesty, a Canadian thrash metal band, formed in Toronto in 1986."If I only had a nickel for every time I've made THAT mistake... ;D
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Post by iameye on Feb 5, 2009 22:41:34 GMT -5
Yes, if there is any basis for the Stallone image in the video, it definitely fits like a glove (pun intended) pow just an obvious note, Magical Mystery Tour first appeared on British television on Boxing Day in 1967
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Post by B on Feb 6, 2009 2:05:24 GMT -5
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Post by iameye on Feb 6, 2009 8:29:58 GMT -5
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Post by theanswer on Feb 6, 2009 15:06:07 GMT -5
I want to put forth a conspiracy theory in here related to Pink Floyd and the World Trade Center...and let you all be the judge... (212321 pattern in titles of TDB) C W PM A W T CK L HThis is something I discovered several years ago...when you say the letters above and record it, then reverse the recording: ad1984.home.att.net/shall_I_F_My_enemy_2.mp3"Shall I 'Eff-You-See_Kay' my enemy give you ideas?" This is the same clip reversed: ad1984.home.att.net/shall_I_F_My_enemy_2_rev.mp3"C-W-P-M-A-W-T-C-K-L-H" Eff You See Kay spells the acrostic "KEYS" where the first letter is moved to the last place the WTC in the title acrostic reveals something else...a cross W. T. I.O T...I..BC.. B. T.L remaining letters could be WTC and OIL The PULSE DVD released in 2006 also has an unusual incident involving a "Secret Service" looking man in dark glasses and a young man with leather jacket and an Islamic Star and Crescent T-shirt, in the "home video" titled " Say Goodbye To Life As We Know It"...filmed by one of the crew members. The man in glasses puts his hand up to the camera and says something like "Some things you just shouldn't be filming" (to be continued...I have to reboot my computer)
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Post by theanswer on Feb 6, 2009 16:38:55 GMT -5
This is a symbol that appears in the High Hopes video, on the balloons: it resembles the pattern: W. T. I.O T..I..BC.. B. T.L (3 lines and a curve on the right side) Wearing The Inside Out Take It Back Coming Back To Life The lyrics of Lost For Words also reveals a WTC pattern as well (see lyrics here... page 20) Initial letters, how they appear in CD booklet: I I I I WE B L TI BW CI S W S A B Y WTC is centered just as it is in the Title acrostic at TIB In the UK CD booklet on page 14, the ballons appear on the Take It Back page: folk.uio.no/ericsp/images/uk14_large.jpg
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Post by theanswer on Feb 6, 2009 17:05:02 GMT -5
The 212321 pattern of the song titles appears randomly in the last verse of Poles Apart: ...I Never Thought That You'd Lose That Light In Your Eyes INTTYLTLIYE 2 I's 1 N 2 Y's 3 T's 2 L's 1 E C W....2 P.....1 M A.....2 W T C.....3 K L......2 H.....1 the pattern also appears partially in M.....1 A R.....2 O O N.....3 E D.....2 ...when re-arranging to spell: A R.....2 E D.....2 M.....1 O O N.....3 a red crescent moon? The PULSE album cover depicts what appears to be a red (orange) moon covering the pupil of an eye this is a lunar eclipse *********************************** en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_and_crescentI noticed the prominent "circle" between the twin towers. The Towers were designed by Minoru Yamasaki for a plan by the Rockefeller Foundation. They were designed in part after European Cathedrals....(I'll see if I can find some references)
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Post by theanswer on Feb 6, 2009 17:56:00 GMT -5
www.slate.com/?id=2060207Having rejected modernism and the Saudi royal family, it's no surprise that (Osama) Bin Laden would turn against Yamasaki's work in particular. He must have seen how Yamasaki had clothed the World Trade Center, a monument of Western capitalism, in the raiment of Islamic spirituality. Such mixing of the sacred and the profane is old hat to us—after all, Cass Gilbert's classic Woolworth Building, dubbed the Cathedral to Commerce, is decked out in extravagant Gothic regalia. But to someone who wants to purify Islam from commercialism, Yamasaki's implicit Mosque to Commerce would be anathema. To Bin Laden, the World Trade Center was probably not only an international landmark but also a false idol. WTI OTI BCBT Lkeeping in mind the album and TDB tour occurred in 1994...7 years prior to 9/11/2001
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Post by theanswer on Feb 6, 2009 18:27:17 GMT -5
32 years W. T. I.O T..I..BC.. B. T.L * * * * * * * THE MIRROR (Take It Back) (R) T........ hrough The Past, Darkly (Big Hits Vol. 2)-released September 12, 1969 reference (indirectly) to 1Corinthians 13:12 which contains the word ENIGMA in the original Greek (only occurrence in the bible of this word) (B) A.......bbey Road-released September 26, 1969 (John Ringo Paul George appear in reverse order from Sgt Pepper cover---mirror image) (P) U........mmagumma-released October 25, 1969 Double studio/live album Cover depicts the 4 band members in an "infinity mirror" (Through a glass, darkly?)
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Post by theanswer on Feb 6, 2009 21:20:07 GMT -5
As you can see from the link, this is in it's original format as typed by Publius: groups.google.com/group/alt.music.pink-floyd/browse_thread/thread/a79a30580feb7530?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=alt.music.pink-floyd+castle+and+field+in+englandNewsgroups: alt.music.pink-floyd Reply-To: an114...@anon.penet.fi Date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 14:30:01 UTC Subject: >>>>>>>>> T H E N E W M E S S A G E <<<<<<<<< My friends, The signal has been delivered. Over the past few days, many of you have already observed it. A great many more will see it on November 1st. You need only look at the Circle in The Wall- the Enigma has been announced worldwide. It's my understanding that there may even be more clues to find... - Publius - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To find out more about the anon service, send mail to h...@anon.penet.fi. Due to the double-blind, any mail replies to this message will be anonymized, and an anonymous id will be allocated automatically. You have been warned. Please report any problems, inappropriate use etc. to ad...@anon.penet.fi. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ This was the display of "ENIGMA" on the circular screen during Another brick In The Wall II (ABITWII) which appears on the original VHS version of PULSE. (it was somehow, and for some reason, replaced with L=MC2...changing the L to an E in the process...on the 2006 DVD version) It is peculiar that he capitalized the T and not the i in the phrase "Circle in The Wall" (capital letters spell WTC backwards) He used these odd capitalizations in other posts that spelled certain words or phrases...
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Post by iameye on Feb 6, 2009 22:05:42 GMT -5
TA I am having a hard time to wrap my mind around your presentations, although I do see your hard work. Could you provide short summary at this point to keep thinsg cohesive?( at least for me? ) Merci ;D
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Post by theanswer on Feb 6, 2009 22:28:49 GMT -5
Kiss Kiss KissConflicts across the globe and an international respect for Barack Obama have created the perfect setting for establishment of "a New World Order," according to Henry Kissinger, the Nobel Peace Prize winner and former secretary of state under President Nixon. Kissinger has long been an integral figure in U.S. foreign policy, holding positions in the Nixon, Ford and Reagan administrations. Author of over a dozen books on foreign policy, Kissinger was also named by President Bush as the chairman of the Sept. 11 investigatory commission. www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?pageId=85442The fox is watching the henhouse....again
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Post by theanswer on Feb 6, 2009 23:12:10 GMT -5
TA I am having a hard time to wrap my mind around your presentations, although I do see your hard work. Could you provide short summary at this point to keep thing cohesive?( at least for me? ) Merci ;D heh heh! Sorry Iameye...I'll try to summarize all of this...I am a little confused myself, I just see the patterns and how they all connect...at this point. I couldn't begin to explain how any of these people knew about 9/11 so far in advance, or how anyone could conceive of all (or any) of this...which is why I believe there is a supernatural highly intelligent (beyond our comprehension) force, or "spirit"at work. The "eff you see kay" is a sounding out of the word "F-U-C-K" (see " online etymology dictionary" of the definition...an example of the first use mentions Ely in Cambridgeshire) I'll try to give everyone a better summary of what I have so far...I have to think about how to spell out what I've revealed so far...this is very complicated stuff and has to be backed up by proof...or else it's just psychobabble. The Greek letters "Chi" "Xi" and "Stigma" (or sigma) for the number 666 looks like the word sex spelled backwards: images.google.com/images?sourceid=navclient&rls=GWYA,GWYA:2008-49,GWYA:en&q=chi%20xi%20stigma&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi Look at the book cover of Thomas Pynchon's "Mason & Dixon" ...and then I'll show you what I found in a Nasa satellite image of the Southern California wildfires in 2007 following the arson fires in Greece a month before The "TAU" of the Beatles is a sexual symbol, and is a symbol of the mark of the beast, I think, per Aleister Crowley
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Post by iameye on Feb 6, 2009 23:44:11 GMT -5
you are wicked smart, so explain it right, that's all we ask
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Post by puzzled on Feb 6, 2009 23:49:24 GMT -5
answers said:
"I couldn't begin to explain how any of these people knew about 9/11 so far in advance, or how anyone could conceive of all (or any) of this...which is why I believe there is a supernatural highly intelligent (beyond our comprehension) force, or "spirit"at work."
I would like to suggest that opposed to them knowing about "9/11" referring to the hijacked airplane incident in 2001, that they just generally knew that the number was significant and used ritually for other things prior to 2001? There is a reason that they chose that particular day to perform such an activity, and so perhaps the pattern is there but the specific knowledge of "airplanes crash into twin towers" was not included?
Just as with any other significant day of timing, you couldn't point to one specific day in one specific year and say only that one thing was relative to that date. There would be many examples of specific things timed to happen at specifically that time, as many people are trying to tie their "Work" into the natural magickal Order - and apparently timing is everything.
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Post by theanswer on Feb 7, 2009 0:51:26 GMT -5
I'll try to give a summary within the next few days (I'll have to force myself to stop rambling ha ha!)
One thing that comes to mind immediately is that September 11th is the Coptic (Egyptian) Church New Year, known as "The Year of the martyrs" or something like that...and then there is all of the numerology behind the 254th day (2+5+4=11) 111 days remaining in the year...
The thing that struck me when I first got the idea of 9/11/2001 (and of course this was 20/20 hindsight) being connected to TDB is the symbolic "targets" in the "towering" heads on the cover...and what appears to be "runway lights" behind them...not to mention all of the WTC connections in lyrics and clues
One of the metal heads is slightly shorter than the other (at least it appears that way in the photo) and the twin towers measured 1362 and 1368 feet tall (a difference of 6 feet...less than 1% difference)
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Post by B on Feb 7, 2009 1:21:49 GMT -5
Hmmm....
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Feb 7, 2009 9:49:10 GMT -5
I'll try to give a summary within the next few days (I'll have to force myself to stop rambling ha ha!) One thing that comes to mind immediately is that September 11th is the Coptic (Egyptian) Church New Year, known as "The Year of the martyrs" or something like that...and then there is all of the numerology behind the 254th day (2+5+4=11) 111 days remaining in the year... The thing that struck me when I first got the idea of 9/11/2001 (and of course this was 20/20 hindsight) being connected to TDB is the symbolic "targets" in the "towering" heads on the cover...and what appears to be "runway lights" behind them...not to mention all of the WTC connections in lyrics and clues One of the metal heads is slightly shorter than the other (at least it appears that way in the photo) and the twin towers measured 1362 and 1368 feet tall (a difference of 6 feet...less than 1% difference) As theanswer and puzz have indicated, 9/11 was already numerically important to TPTB due to the Coptic calendar. That can explain some foreknowledge of the events that were to take place on 9/11/01 Another angle though, is that perhaps all points in time exist SIMULTANEOUSLY, and that we (humans) have an undeveloped (for the most part) ability to see the future. That could explain why/how the The Coup created this album cover in JUNE of 2001. There's also the possibility that they were actively directed by TPTB, or even subtly steered by a CIA type in the creative department of their label to produce that image, but either way, this certainly confirms that it's not crazy to look for 9/11 clues on pop album covers from PRIOR to 9/11/01.
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Post by puzzled on Feb 7, 2009 15:51:35 GMT -5
Just as with the Beatles' "Ephgrave" artist, I suppose it is difficult to nail down who is really responsible for the cover art - and I refer to the 'Coup' cover specifically. Generally speaking, we can assume that most singing artists are not graphic artists and do not sit down and create their own cover art. From interviews it sounds like once an artist makes lots of hit records and lots of $$$ for their record company, they tend to have the ability to have more input in their music and their image. However, up until that point when they have a bargaining chip, they are completely molded and managed by their "people." It seems to be a consistent complaint of artists from the limited interviews that I have heard. Even when you can attribute the art to a specific artist, they are often obtuse and evasive about the meaning anyway, so that doesn't help much. I am thinking of the artist that painted those horrible murals at the Denver Airport of dead children. The vague, supposedly positive message that the artist claimed was surely not conveyed in the images he portrayed. Whose message do we buy into? The Synchromystics say it is the Universal Mind communicating the cyclical storyline to us. The Conspiracy Theorists say that there is a underground network of evil people planning all of this death and destruction and communicating their plans to each other. If you believe the one version, wormholes are a natural and wonderful thing and everyone should want to jump into one. If you believe Peggy Kane, the reptile guardians are waiting inside those wormholes to torture and eat you. And if musicians are actively communicating in symbolic ways, again I ask why? Why not just communicate in a method that is within our conscious ability to critically examine said ideas? Anything that purposely bypasses my conscious filters and moral determination seems to be insidious in intent. At the very least they have decided for me what is best for my life without my consent, and that seems rather presumptuous.
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Post by theanswer on Feb 7, 2009 15:51:58 GMT -5
Very good points PDL I think the band (never heard their music) Dream Theater had an album cover depicting NYC on fire or something, and the image was pulled soon after 9/11 yeah, here it is: The cover for the CD version of the concert, titled Live Scenes From New York, depicted one of Dream Theater's early logos (the Images And Words-era burning heart, modeled on the Sacred Heart of Christ) modified to show an apple (as in "Big Apple") instead of the heart, and the New York skyline, including the twin towers of the World Trade Center, in the flame above it. In an unfortunate coincidence, the album was released on the same date as the September 11, 2001 attacks. The album was quickly recalled by the band and was re-released with revised artwork later en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dream_Theater#Scenes_from_a_Memory_and_first_live_DVD_.281999.E2.80.932001.29
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