Some Pics.....

[tkp66]

But the same cloths in both photos, Ringo's jacket is down beside the drums.
here:


I think both photos are early '67 not '66.
Did John look like this in '68 ?

[tkp66]

Here is one I'll just post for the fun of it

[noodles]

As tkp66 says this is from the first half of 1967. They all look about the same as they do on the Pepper sleeve aside from it being LSD Paul rather than SFF Paul.



This is early 1968 when John had his big sideys and faux Paul's face started puffing out and reshaping itself which it did through much of 1968 and on into 1969.

[JoJo]

Oops, always better to look something up:



From The Beatles Monthly Book, #50, Sept 1967.

In B/W, but even looks to be the same shirt.

[LOVELYRITA]

Did Ringo sport a mustache in Dec of 1966? I highly doubt it.
And Bill would have still been rather swollen after the surgeries...unless they had him worked on simultaneously at the time of JPM's death.

I am inclined to think that picture was from a later period. It may have been a typo on the date.

[tkp66]

lovelyrita said:

Did Ringo sport a mustache in Dec of 1966? I highly doubt it.
And Bill would have still been rather swollen after the surgeries...unless they had him worked on simultaneously at the time of JPM's death.

I am inclined to think that picture was from a later period. It may have been a typo on the date.

It is not 1966 but it is mid '67 the photo I had said '66 but I didn't
think was.

[lili]

Thank you, Revolver. I didn't know that. I must now concede that it might very well have been taken in 1968.
That explains the photos that I have of Jane with him in which he looks the way that he did in 1968 !

[noodles]

Another one

[lili]

More interesting photos from this time period. Here are some photos of Jane & Bill, probably from 1968.

Taken on the same day:


The 1st photo looks like it's been doctored, maybe photo shopped ? Can any of you tell if this is the case ? Bill never had a space like that between his legs. I think that was done to try to make him look more like JPM.



Jane looks miserable in the above two photos. In fact, she doesn't look too happy in the 1st two photos either. Her smile does NOT reach her eyes ! I wouldn't be surprised if in the 1st photo Bill is saying, " Smile, Jane. They expect it ! "
He doesn't look too happy in the second photo.

[lili]

More photos of John from 1967. It really doesn't look too much like Johnny. It does make me wonder if there is anything to the whole Charlie Brill as a replacement scenario.









Look at the lines on the sides of John's nose, compared to the lines on the sides of Charlie Brill's nose in the second photo.
All I will say is hmmmmmm..... [img src="http://galeon.hispavista.com/akostuff/img/Dunno2[1].gif"]

[DarkHorse]

John's face changed rapidly from '66 to '67 due to rapid weight loss and trauma experienced by an unfortunate event. It's still John in the above pics. I think you know that lili.

[eyesbleed]

Ya, the fades I've seen of John are seemless, unlike most of the PIA fades.

[lili]

I just thought it was strange that Charlie Brill had the same kind of lines next to his nose that John did at the time. [img src="http://galeon.hispavista.com/akostuff/img/Dunno2[1].gif"]

[beatlies]

darkhorse said:

John's face changed rapidly from '66 to '67 due to rapid weight loss and trauma experienced by an unfortunate event. It's still John in the above pics. I think you know that lili.

Well I don't know that, because I think that might not be true. I think there's a definite possibility it's a narrow-jawboned John double, maybe Charlie Brill.

I posted a comment a while ago, I think in the Star Trek thread, about the inverted V lines (scars) above Charles Brill's mouth matching those on some pictures of the post-1966 "Lennon." Thatnks for bringing that up again lili. Ithink it's a smoking gun.

I have a lot more information to post about Lennon imposter Charlie Brill, hopefully I'll have the time soon.

[LOVELYRITA]

John Lennon was a handsome man, if you scan pics from "HELP"...now Sgt Pepper was only 2 years later, and John would have been about 27...he shouldn't have looked that strange or different, even if he had lost weight and suffered trauma....you still would have the same face, perhaps worn with the trauma, but not that drastically different.

Maybe not a total replacement, but I definitely think there was a double during the Sgt. Pepper era...it could have been that the real John Lennon was too traumatized to do photo ops, or even film videos...perhaps this "Charlie Brill-ish" guy was a stand in....for a time...

Nothing would surprise me...I wouldn't put it past them....

Not saying that she was replaced...but those pics of Jane look odd. Perhaps in the doctoring of Bill, it affected how Jane looked in the finished product. like lighting, or stretching or making look shorter or smaller...I always remembered Jane Asher as being pretty, but those pics aren't very complimentary to her.

[revolver]

lili said:

More interesting photos from this time period. Here are some photos of Jane & Bill, probably from 1968.

Taken on the same day:


The 1st photo looks like it's been doctored, maybe photo shopped ? Can any of you tell if this is the case ? Bill never had a space like that between his legs. I think that was done to try to make him look more like JPM.



Jane looks miserable in the above two photos. In fact, she doesn't look too happy in the 1st two photos either. Her smile does NOT reach her eyes ! I wouldn't be surprised if in the 1st photo Bill is saying, " Smile, Jane. They expect it ! "
He doesn't look too happy in the second photo.

Yeah, Jane was quite a trooper to go along with the charade as long as she did. To be honest, I don't think even she looks like herself in those India photos. I hope she wasn't replaced as well.

[-Wings-]

Yeah, the mustache never left the stand-in's upper lip in late '66.

[DarkHorse]

Jane gained weight after the tragedy of Paul, which is unique because John and George, especially John, lost a lot of weight. It shows in their faces.

[LOVELYRITA]

George became a strict vegetarian through his spiritual beliefs...or so the story goes...
But the two of them suffered the most horrific loss, they were part of a group since they were in their teens, this would have been the most tragic for John because he never really knew his father and his mother was more like a carefree person he encountered occasionally. His young life was with that Aunt Mimi...who must have been a doosie.

I've never seen profiles of Jane, and that last pic with Bill looks odd to me.

Those two top pics, of them outside somewhere, looks like a hotel or airport, that Jane's eyes look peculiar because she has eyeliner going around her entire eye. Whereas the other ones looks like she doesn't have much make up on. I don't think she was replaced. She has a "sun in the eyes" grin, not a happy face, so her mouth appears to look different than the other pic.

Now Dark Horse said she gained weight, whereas George and John lost weight...sometimes, for women, when they have experienced trauma, they react by overeating, quite often sweets. So perhaps Jane's way of dealing with the grief was eating....whereas John and George went without eating...maybe a liquid diet of alcohol, along with drugs...I don't recall though either of them having a problem with the bottle, but was more drugs...Either way, they got so skinny.

[skyward]

New high-res pics of Faul from a UK ragmag site. Sept.07

holy moly.com

[iameye]

how long has he been wearing that red bracelet?

[mommybird]

He is so thin.

[GN]

Interesting to see: upper forehead and ear lobe.
Total absence of any philler.

[mommybird]

He's right. It appears that Faul's ears are back to being close to his head.

[JoJo]

iameye said:

how long has he been wearing that red bracelet?

Yeah I wonder what that's all about? Not long I think. He has two white bracelets on his left wrist, I forget, but I think it was always just one with his name imprinted?