|
Post by B on Apr 30, 2008 9:08:31 GMT -5
mindgames wrote: "What name does Faul use when he logs in?"
Iamaphoney! ;D
|
|
|
Post by 65if2007 on Apr 30, 2008 10:48:38 GMT -5
Has it ever occurred to anyone how unlike Neil Aspinall's public persona ACV is or was?
Neil Aspinall was reported to have been a very blunt individual with a no-nonsense attitude -- the front man who said "no" to the Beatles fans and followers when the Beatles themselves felt that they were not in a position to. Reportedly, there were concerns that Aspinall and his working-class background wouldn't be able to "mix" with polished record company executives.
From what I can see of Apollo C. Vermouth's old contributions, his lyrical personality is pretty different from that attributed to Neil Aspinall.
You can suppose, if you like, that ACV was a side that Neil Aspinall never showed in public, but the whole thing strikes me as extremely unlikely. My own supposition is that ACV is or was no one in particular and that he had no special knowledge and that he was just another NIR contributor who was guessing, like everyone else.
What exactly did he SAY anyway? When you cut through all of the mumbo-jumbo, what exactly did he SAY?
|
|
|
Post by TotalInformation on Apr 30, 2008 11:25:28 GMT -5
MSN TV (formerly WebTV) is the name of both a thin client which uses a television for display (rather than a computer monitor), and the online service that supports it. The product and service were developed by WebTV Networks, Inc., a company purchased by Microsoft Corporation and absorbed into MSN (the Microsoft Network). -- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MSN_TV----------- MSN® TV service is received through your telephone line, and is available as a local call in most areas. To see if you have local access dial-up, enter your area code* and phone number here, then click Search. *MSN® TV service currently available in the US only -- www.msntv.com/apps/AccessLocator/AccessLocator.aspxIncidentally, perhaps his "machine" is maybe some outdated form of Web TV? I remember 9-10 years ago when a couple of friends subscribed to that service...it was really just a keyboard and your TV. You are correct.
|
|
|
Post by tygrefyfe on Apr 30, 2008 11:41:43 GMT -5
65If says: " My own supposition is that ACV is or was no one in particular and that he had no special knowledge and that he was just another NIR contributor who was guessing, like everyone else.
What exactly did he SAY anyway? When you cut through all of the mumbo-jumbo, what exactly did he SAY?"
I've been reading all of the ACV posts and you know what he said? That SGT Pepper held all the clues and told a 'story', there were numerous "Pauls" seen and unseen, that Paul had an affair with Tara and that Paul was gay. Which Paul? I don't know, maybe it was the one who is supposedly 'dead'...
Now, I'm really confused. What all ACV said doesn't really make sense to be a 'revelation' of sorts that would change the way we think of the Beatles and certainly not worthy of a dead rumor for 40 years.
|
|
|
Post by tygrefyfe on Apr 30, 2008 11:48:36 GMT -5
Oh yeah- let's not forget that James Paul left for some reason and wanted to come back but it was too late
|
|
|
Post by B on Apr 30, 2008 15:47:04 GMT -5
65if2007 wrote: "What exactly did he SAY anyway? When you cut through all of the mumbo-jumbo, what exactly did he SAY?"Unfortunately Apollo had a habit of deleting his posts, not wanting to be a focal point of investigation himself, but about two years ago I assembled a number of his quotes to see if I could get an overview of what he was telling us. Here is some of that: In the picture below, Apollo told us that it was what was on the piano that was significant. What is on the piano is pictures of Paul. (This was determined by TKIN members who located them.) "Lets answer some of those questions you posed...Age-50 (something) Occupation-Musician and "Castle Keep." ( "Who rang that bell?!" ;D) Country-Currently Stateside. And yes, it is beautiful here this time of year. Interest-Far beyond that of mortal man. Desired outcome-As nature intended. History-Well, we can't quite change that. But the future, now that's another story! I promised you a journey. You are well on your way." "The return to Pepperland holds many a secret, and is well worth the trip." "My payoff? There is none. Yours? Now that's another matter." "It is as if someone had wrote the worlds greatest novel, and NOBODY read the last chapter. Yet, a debate started as to how the story ends, or should end. All the while, the true ending is available for all to see." "The final chapter only exist s when the rest of the pieces are assembled." "You can't come to a conclusion till you reach the end." "Soon, with a little luck, all will be revealed." "One name alone is all you need. Yet, there remains endless gaps that need be filled. Billy only serves as an bridge to lead to the the "rest of the story." " 'Billy' is introduced as the 'singer.' Voice prints identify at least 3 different 'Pauls.' " "Billy (Shepherd) was invented by Neil. (nom de plume) I'm not saying Neil is Billy the guy who "maybe is amazed", know what I mean?" "So Sgt Pepper took YOU by surprise..." "Those freaks was right when they said you were dead." "RedLion, do you feel, at this point, that there is a difference?" (between JPM and Sir Paul) "The 'Paul' that was involved in that project not only got to show what he had learned about music, but what he had been involved in behind the curtain, so to speak." " I like a good confrontation. Just being here raises a few eyebrows on the other side of the curtain." "An attempt was made to distance William from his previous endeavors. Much was whitewashed concerning his 'history.' " The "Bill" you SEE is not the "Bill" we are discussing. Any other info regarding him I must hold close to my chest. Sometimes the only way to the "truth" is through a series of well placed "lies." ( comment on "the Poo lies") Sylvie schmylvie. "Try not to fall into the trap of those that tend to 'over-think.' " "So, choose your rabbit hole carefully." Doc wrote: "But, I know, that if he, ACV, were here.... right now, he would encourage us to study the flowers in the dirt on the cover of the Sgt. Peppers album just ONE MORE TIME" - (Apollo made many references to "flowers in the dirt")There they are, for what they're worth. I'll probably comment fairly soon.
|
|
|
Post by B on Apr 30, 2008 16:24:02 GMT -5
He had mispelled "rabbit". I corrected that. I had noticed that he didn't always get syntax right: "It is as if someone had wrote the worlds greatest novel..."
|
|
|
Post by MikeNL on Apr 30, 2008 16:29:38 GMT -5
It looks like Mike and Neil/Apollo share the same inability to spell. What a coincidence. Look, i'm not native english, so it's hard you know!!! though i do my best . And i'm not Apollo/Neil. -M
|
|
|
Post by DarkHorse on Apr 30, 2008 16:37:20 GMT -5
Look, i'm not native english, so it's hard you know!!! though i do my best . And i'm not Apollo/Neil. -M Wasn't referring to you. Anyway, everyone nevermind.
|
|
|
Post by JoJo on Apr 30, 2008 17:16:07 GMT -5
In the picture below, Apollo told us that it was what was on the piano that was significant. What is on the piano is pictures of Paul. (This was determined by TKIN members who located them.) I have a clearer copy of the George Martin piano pic, from Beatles Monthly #67: I think what perhaps got lost in the shuffle was that ACV was pointing out that there's "something wrong with this picture", i.e. that there are pictures on the piano, not sheet music. Another template to look for similar out of place things elsewhere. That's not to say the pictures themselves aren't of some significance, but not his main point.
|
|
|
Post by B on Apr 30, 2008 17:41:56 GMT -5
No. They weren't what was in the pictures. Somewhere at TKIN you might be able to find the relevant thread.
|
|
|
Post by revolver on Apr 30, 2008 20:29:42 GMT -5
Thanks "NIR Committee". This thread is quite informative. RIP Neil.
Now if we can just get George Martin to start posting...
|
|
|
Post by brotherdave on Apr 30, 2008 20:54:59 GMT -5
Think about it,Martin is "playing" piano but his sheet music is Paul so George Martin is telling us Paul is being "played" . A clue from from George Martin In the picture below, Apollo told us that it was what was on the piano that was significant. What is on the piano is pictures of Paul. (This was determined by TKIN members who located them.) I have a clearer copy of the George Martin piano pic, from Beatles Monthly #67: I think what perhaps got lost in the shuffle was that ACV was pointing out that there's "something wrong with this picture", i.e. that there are pictures on the piano, not sheet music. Another template to look for similar out of place things elsewhere. That's not to say the pictures themselves aren't of some significance, but not his main point.
|
|
|
Post by plastic paul on Apr 30, 2008 21:42:32 GMT -5
Wow, my computer crashed last week and I haven't been able to get online for a while, so I've got to say that this is quite a lot to take in all in one go! I may have responded sooner with some insight had I known.
Anyways I have some PM's from Apollo that offer some insight into the person he was IMO and will post them in due course but it's 4 in the morning here so bear with me!
|
|
|
Post by jarvitronics on Apr 30, 2008 21:55:39 GMT -5
Think about it,Martin is "playing" piano but his sheet music is Paul so George Martin is telling us Paul is being "played". A clue from from George Martin Nicely done. I love that. "Being played" has two meanings. 1) You can be played by a con artist, manipulated, tricked, double-crossed, etc. 2) Your role or persona can be played by an actor or double. -j
|
|
|
Post by plastic paul on Apr 30, 2008 23:16:43 GMT -5
Apollo's first PM sent to me at TKIN.
Pardon the intrusion...
The key to this paradigm starts and ends with Sgt. Pepper.
This is why most clues resort back to Pepper in latter releases.
The walrus and mentions of Edgar Allen Poe on MMT begs a relook at Sgt. Pepper. Magical MYSTERY Tour, was the first attempt to get the public to re-examine the Pepper album.
Yellow Submarine deals with Pepperland and Sgt. Pepper's band.
The "White Album" refers to clues left on Pepper and MMT. (Glass Onion)
How Do You Sleep, "So Sgt. Pepper took you by surprise..."
Why the constant Pepper references?
Pepper was designed to tell a story. Every person and item on that cover is a clue unto itself. Think of it as chapters in a book, with Pepper being the whole of the book. Brilliant in it's concept, it was lost on the public until late in '69 at the height of the PID rumours. But it was not from lack of trying.
Your interest in this outshines a majority of the folks here who would rather find clues with smoke and mirrors than by going to the source.
Ask yourself...why leave clues and offer no resolution? Why leave clues to already existing clues?
Are you up to it?
Apollo
|
|
|
Post by plastic paul on Apr 30, 2008 23:19:10 GMT -5
However this is the one that (having read again after this apparent revelation) seems relevant...
Ah yes...nice indeed to chat with you again. "Pepper" was never really meant to be a "Beatle" album, persay. Nor was any intended follow-up fitting that particular schematic. "What we have here is failure to communicate." The key to any illusion is misdirection. A few puffs of smoke, and the clever use of a mirror, can conjure the unthinkable. What was meant as a diversion, became a seperate entity. And, as I have mentioned, great pains were taken to put the train back on the tracks, so to speak. "Pepper" was meant to invoke thought. It was to answer questions not yet asked. It was both a "hello" and "goodbye." It didn't work. "Tour" tried in vain to redirect your attention to the thing that escaped everybody's perception. It didn't work. "Submarine," with it's allusions to Sgt. Pepper, sunk as if it had screen doors. Look to these examples to find the missing links. This was our intention.
Apollo.
Notice the last line.
|
|
|
Post by DarkHorse on Apr 30, 2008 23:27:46 GMT -5
MSN TV (formerly WebTV) is the name of both a thin client which uses a television for display (rather than a computer monitor), and the online service that supports it. The product and service were developed by WebTV Networks, Inc., a company purchased by Microsoft Corporation and absorbed into MSN (the Microsoft Network). -- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MSN_TV----------- MSN® TV service is received through your telephone line, and is available as a local call in most areas. To see if you have local access dial-up, enter your area code* and phone number here, then click Search. *MSN® TV service currently available in the US only -- www.msntv.com/apps/AccessLocator/AccessLocator.aspxYou are correct. TI, what exactly are you saying by this post?
|
|
|
Post by TotalInformation on May 1, 2008 0:53:24 GMT -5
Just that whoever is posting via webTV ain't posting from London or Twickenham... aint doable...
|
|
|
Post by fireman on May 1, 2008 8:51:19 GMT -5
Has it ever occurred to anyone how unlike Neil Aspinall's public persona ACV is or was? Neil Aspinall was reported to have been a very blunt individual with a no-nonsense attitude -- the front man who said "no" to the Beatles fans and followers when the Beatles themselves felt that they were not in a position to. Reportedly, there were concerns that Aspinall and his working-class background wouldn't be able to "mix" with polished record company executives. From what I can see of Apollo C. Vermouth's old contributions, his lyrical personality is pretty different from that attributed to Neil Aspinall. You can suppose, if you like, that ACV was a side that Neil Aspinall never showed in public, but the whole thing strikes me as extremely unlikely. My own supposition is that ACV is or was no one in particular and that he had no special knowledge and that he was just another NIR contributor who was guessing, like everyone else. What exactly did he SAY anyway? When you cut through all of the mumbo-jumbo, what exactly did he SAY? As others have pointed out his constant theme was/is Sgt. Pepper's. We could probably work out an entire thread of the clues he pointed out. ... I know he was the first to show this to us:
|
|
|
Post by B on May 1, 2008 14:21:58 GMT -5
Interesting posts from Apollo, Plastic Paul. I hadn't seen those before.
"Pepper was designed to tell a story. Every person and item on that cover is a clue unto itself."
|
|
|
Post by JoJo on May 1, 2008 14:45:50 GMT -5
Just that whoever is posting via webTV ain't posting from London or Twickenham... aint doable... I realize this would be an expensive way to surf the 'net, but technically it is possible.. by dialing internationally. There were also stretches where he didn't come anywhere near the forums for weeks at a time, sometimes months.
|
|
|
Post by thespacebetween on May 1, 2008 23:13:35 GMT -5
Well, darnit, I was hoping to give Apollo some hope after all these years and now it's too late. Bugger! Well, my condolences to his family and to his friends on this board. May he rest in peace.
On with the Show!
|
|
Jacobthelema
Help!
Sweet dreams, came true...today.....came true
Posts: 75
|
Post by Jacobthelema on May 2, 2008 0:22:21 GMT -5
In the picture below, Apollo told us that it was what was on the piano that was significant. What is on the piano is pictures of Paul. (This was determined by TKIN members who located them.) I have a clearer copy of the George Martin piano pic, from Beatles Monthly #67: I think what perhaps got lost in the shuffle was that ACV was pointing out that there's "something wrong with this picture", i.e. that there are pictures on the piano, not sheet music. Another template to look for similar out of place things elsewhere. That's not to say the pictures themselves aren't of some significance, but not his main point. The picture in the middle to me looks like the mangled corpse of Paul.
|
|
|
Post by plastic paul on May 2, 2008 6:25:52 GMT -5
Interesting posts from Apollo, Plastic Paul. I hadn't seen those before. "Pepper was designed to tell a story. Every person and item on that cover is a clue unto itself."Yeah, he realised very soon after I joined TKIN that I was big into finding out all the clues about Pepper and unraveling the mystery so to speak, too bad no one has yet! As I was also pointing out, he goes on about Pepper, explaining the lengths that people went to, only to say "This was our intention."
|
|