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Post by mommybird on Jul 25, 2008 8:22:01 GMT -5
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Jul 25, 2008 15:31:01 GMT -5
Fene Fimmons?
They share the same smile lines, hair line, and both have that strange inverted V where their nose meets their brow.
Gene was born in 1949, so he's a bit of a contemporary. He would have been 17 in 1966.
I need to take a closer look at Kiss.
Why not start with KISS MEETS THE PHANTOM OF THE PARK?
Pay special attention to "OUR DEMON" @ 1:10.www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFUDIhSHtQMSynopsis: The film opens at Magic Mountain, where Melissa (Deborah Ryan) and her boyfriend Sam (Terry Lester) are enjoying a day at the amusement park. Sam, a park employee, disappears early in the film while investigating the laboratory of Abner Devereaux, who is the park's head engineer and the creator of a series of lifelike cybernetic creatures on display throughout the park. It is subsequently revealed that Sam has been transformed by Devereaux into a mindless cyborg through the use of a tiny mind-control device attached to Sam's neck. Devereaux's increasingly erratic behavior is a cause of concern for Calvin Richards (Carmine Caridi), the owner of the amusement park. Faced with a budget crunch, Richards decides to channel money away from Devereaux's projects in order to pay for a Kiss concert. Richards explains to Devereaux that the concert will generate much-needed revenue, but Devereaux is livid. Later, three punks (dressed like members of a biker gang) sabotage one of the rides, placing a group of riders in danger. Richards blames Devereaux for the incident and fires him. Devereaux swears revenge upon Richards, the park, and Kiss, all of whom he blames for his misfortune. When Kiss arrives for their show, Devereaux first attempts to discredit them by unleashing a robotic Gene Simmons, which proceeds to damage buildings in the park and to injure a security guard. The next day, Kiss is questioned by Richards and some security guards, but no action is taken. His first plan having failed, Devereaux attempts to sabotage the scheduled Kiss concert. He manages to neutralize Kiss's abilities and imprison them in his underground laboratory. Finally, he sends the fake Kiss onstage, where they perform a version of "Hotter than Hell" (called "Rip and Destroy") with altered lyrics meant to incite the crowd to riot. The real Kiss manage to escape from Devereaux and fly to the stage for a final battle with their robotic doppelgängers. After the real Kiss dispatches the fake version, the concert continues and the crisis is averted. After the show, Kiss, Melissa, and Richards converge on Devereaux's lab and attempt to convince Devereaux to release Sam from his control. But when his chair is spun around it reveals a presumably dead Devereaux, with newly white hair and a frozen expression on his face. The group is despondent, but Stanley stumbles upon the mind control device on Sam's neck and removes it. Sam returns to normal, and with no memory of what had happened.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KISS_Meets_the_Phantom_of_the_ParkOf course it involves mind control and doppelgangers!
Doesn't everything at this point?
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Jul 25, 2008 20:45:12 GMT -5
The picture of the man rubbing his eye does look like a young Gene Simmons rather than Bill. His face is too round for Bill's.
Is that supposed to be Paul's funeral wagon?
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Post by mommybird on Jul 26, 2008 15:01:59 GMT -5
Thank you (P)Denny. Sem, yes it does look like Gene. The big question is what is Gene Simmons doing in Cream of the Beatles ?
From the Wikipedia: Kiss Meets the Phantom of the Park is a 1978 television movie, starring American hard rock band Kiss. The movie's plot revolves around Kiss, who must use their superpowers to battle an evil inventor (Abner Devereaux, played by Anthony Zerbe) and to save a California amusement park from destruction.
The movie was aired by NBC at the height of Kiss's popularity in the United States. While it was one of the highest-rated TV movies of the year, its poor acting and semi-comedic script causes it to be regarded poorly even by most Kiss fans. Despite this, it has attained cult film status.
The Braverman Condensed Cream of the Beatles was released in 1974 & is only 15 minutes long.
The Braverman movie came out 4 years before the Kiss one. Gene was 25 when the Braverman movie was released, so he was a grown man. This is so very strange...
I googled Gene Simmons 1974 & came up with this:
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Post by The Deceptionist on Jul 27, 2008 12:29:34 GMT -5
so i read what paulumbo wrote about "DERAM" ... and looked at the cover posted on the thread, and it says "CASTLE" .. so i google it and it looks to me as if castle released the CD version, with the cover as shown in earlier posts.. but what i found most interesting was the difference in design between the "DERAM" LP version and the "CASTLE" CD version: more doubles ;D
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Post by thisone on Jul 27, 2008 23:16:13 GMT -5
so i read what paulumbo wrote about "DERAM" ... and looked at the cover posted on the thread, and it says "CASTLE" .. so i google it and it looks to me as if castle released the CD version, with the cover as shown in earlier posts.. but what i found most interesting was the difference in design between the "DERAM" LP version and the "CASTLE" CD version: more doubles ;D There's not much difference (that I can see) between the two except - on Deram he's holding up one finger, Castle it's two. The colour balance has been slightly altered.
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Post by mommybird on Jul 28, 2008 10:14:05 GMT -5
Why change the number of fingers that he is holding up ? This just keeps getting stranger & stranger.
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Jul 28, 2008 11:31:41 GMT -5
Why change the number of fingers that he is holding up ? This just keeps getting stranger & stranger. I agree, Mbird. I don't know exactly HOW Junior fits into all of this, but the sheer number of odd connections makes it really difficult for me to believe that he's not involved somehow. As for the difference in the album covers, I suppose the simplest explanation is that the CD (Castle) version is the second version of the album, and this is being indicated by the additional raised finger. or Could it mean the SECOND COMING? I mean, he is represented as a spirit on the cover. or Could it be the Roman numeral five, as in a subtle indication that he was *one of* the fifth Beatles? or Is it a nod to Crowley, who has been credited with suggesting the V sign to Churchill? "During WWII At the request of his friend, naval intelligence officer Ian Fleming (creator of James Bond 007), Crowley provided Winston Churchill with valuable insights into the superstitious mindset of the leaders of Hitler's Third Reich during the Second World War. He suggested that Churchill exploit the Nazis' magical paranoia by being photographed as much as possible giving the two-fingered "V for Victory" gesture - a powerful symbol of destruction and annihilation that, according to magical tradition, is capable of defeating the perverted solar energies represented by the Nazi swastika." www.classic-media-group.com/classic-articles/aleister-crowley-13.phpOr maybe it was just to honor Moe Howard and his uncanny ability to poke someone in both eyes simultaneously.
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Post by The Deceptionist on Jul 28, 2008 12:09:31 GMT -5
so i read what paulumbo wrote about "DERAM" ... and looked at the cover posted on the thread, and it says "CASTLE" .. so i google it and it looks to me as if castle released the CD version, with the cover as shown in earlier posts.. but what i found most interesting was the difference in design between the "DERAM" LP version and the "CASTLE" CD version: more doubles ;D There's not much difference (that I can see) between the two except - on Deram he's holding up one finger, Castle it's two. The colour balance has been slightly altered. a-ha! that larger version is much better. notice that the difference isn't necessarily between 'castle' and 'deram' but between the two different pictures on the original 'deram' cover 1 finger for the top pic, 2 fingers for the bottom. i wish there was a better quality version we could examine - google didn't yield very much for me
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Post by iameye on Jul 28, 2008 12:38:05 GMT -5
Why change the number of fingers that he is holding up ? This just keeps getting stranger & stranger. I or Is it a nod to Crowley, who has been credited with suggesting the V sign to Churchill? "During WWII At the request of his friend, naval intelligence officer Ian Fleming (creator of James Bond 007), Crowley provided Winston Churchill with valuable insights into the superstitious mindset of the leaders of Hitler's Third Reich during the Second World War. He suggested that Churchill exploit the Nazis' magical paranoia by being photographed as much as possible giving the two-fingered "V for Victory" gesture - a powerful symbol of destruction and annihilation that, according to magical tradition, is capable of defeating the perverted solar energies represented by the Nazi swastika." www.classic-media-group.com/classic-articles/aleister-crowley-13.phpthat's pretty wild, in that just this morning, I read it was Crowley that suggested to hitler the nazi salute! ah, what to believe?
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Post by iameye on Jul 28, 2008 13:01:52 GMT -5
maybe it means this: and maybe it means that: or my favorite: the cup of the grail
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Jul 28, 2008 13:39:53 GMT -5
maybe it means this: and maybe it means that: or my favorite: the cup of the grail "We were talking-about the space between us all" Or, maybe the negative space between John and Jesus.
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Post by plastic paul on Jul 28, 2008 14:53:11 GMT -5
You're pretty good at this aren't you! This is proving to be a good read, though It would be good to get a citation an the Crowley-Churchill V sign.
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Jul 28, 2008 15:49:54 GMT -5
You're pretty good at this aren't you! This is proving to be a good read, though It would be good to get a citation an the Crowley-Churchill V sign. Thanks, PP! I gave a link for the Crowley Churchill conection above, but here's another that mentions it: "It was also Crowley who gave Churchill his famous victory sign, a magickal gesture to counteract the Nazi's use of the swastika." www.guardian.co.uk/books/2004/jul/10/societyIt's chock full of goodness, actually. It mentions Sgt. Pepper, our friend Aiwass (i Was you), Ian Fleming, Rudolf Hess, Jack Parsons (who has a crater named after him on THE DARK SIDE OF THE MOON, the APOLLO moon missions, L. Ron Hubbard, Kenneth Anger, Jimmy Page, and so much more!
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Post by GN on Jul 31, 2008 10:31:46 GMT -5
Very Interesting Thread to see WHY the William Campbell HOAX started.
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Jul 31, 2008 12:42:07 GMT -5
Helter Skelter, she's coming down fast! I've got blisters on my fingers!!!!
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Post by faulconandsnowjob on Aug 7, 2008 15:28:36 GMT -5
I think the theory that William Campbell could have been a stand-in for Paul, or even "Faul" is plausible. However, I do not think he's JPM. He doesn't look like Paul. He doesn't have the distinctive arch in his eyebrows & his nose is broader, for starters.
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Post by B on Aug 14, 2008 18:40:22 GMT -5
This is the first chance I've had to read this thread. GREAT JOB, everyone!!! Good God there's a lot here! (Comments coming soon!)
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Post by thisone on Aug 14, 2008 19:54:36 GMT -5
Hmm, somebody's been removing Junior's stuff from YouTube due to "terms of violation"
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Post by B on Aug 17, 2008 10:35:05 GMT -5
The streets were lined for the wedding parade, The Queen wore the white gloves, The county of song, The black covered caisson her horses had drawn (A caisson is a wagon that carries a casket)Protected her King from the sun rays of dawn. They married for peace and were gone. (Neil Young - "Broken Arrow") Oh, and while the king was looking down, The jester stole his thorny crown. ("Here come the jesters, 123" - Bad Co.)The courtroom was adjourned; No verdict was returned. And while lennon read a book of marx, The quartet practiced in the park, (the replacements)And we sang dirges in the dark The day the music died. The Queen of light took her bow, And then she turned to go; The prince of peace embraced the gloom, And walked the night alone. Oh, dance in the dark of night, Sing to the morning light.... The magic runes are writ in goldTo bring the balance back, bring it back. At last: the sun is shining, the clouds of blue roll by, With flames from the dragon of darkness The sunlight blinds his eyes.
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Post by B on Aug 17, 2008 11:10:01 GMT -5
Mommybird, (or anyone)Who are the other two people besides Denny Laine and Junior? The fellow on the left is certainly Faul-esque. Lot's of close ups of Junior in this video from 1967, btw: The Marmalade - I See The Rainuk.youtube.com/watch?v=UCn61DuBrgo
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Post by B on Aug 17, 2008 11:22:46 GMT -5
"In places, small faces abound". Hearts too. All over the place. The creature at the top of the column on the right has heart-shaped eyes. (On its chest, if you think it looks like an eagle.) The whip of the driver forms half the outline of a heart, while the pale color of the trees completes the appearance of it. Junior's ghost defines half a heart. In the panel, another half heart. A small face in the sunburst near the end of the wagon. About the Deram lable: It's a DREAM. The CD company is CASTLE. DREAM CASTLE. A castle is shown between the wheels, along with some ghost-like figures. "Mouseketeer" ears may be implicit in the panel over the rear wheels. Disneyland's trademark is Cinderella's castle. The Moody Blues' private lable, an offshoot of Deram, was THRESHOLD. "On the THRESHOLD of a DREAM" Paul McCartney & Wings - Winter Rose/ Love Awake [1979] See the castle? www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkAunsJ1TJsflowers in the - er - snow Who is singing that raspy "Winter Rose" song, btw? One finger up: a pale image; still "a dream" Two fingers up: the 'deram' is a bit more solid; closer to manifesting as reality. Junior's arms and shirt approximate an "M". His belly area is the sun.
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Post by B on Aug 17, 2008 18:05:48 GMT -5
Mentioned absolutely elsewhere, but worth repeating: Toast and Marmalade for Tea (Steve Groves) performed by Tin Tin hear it/see it: www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gsqRIkeO_8Toast and marmalade for tea, Sailing ships upon the sea, Aren't lovelier that you, Or the games I see you play. You, more lovely than the day, When the sun is in your eyes, I see through your disguise, All the games I see you play. about the video: "(Toast and Marmalade for Tea) aka "Ship Imagination." This group consisted of notables such as Maurice Gibb (The Bee Gees), Billy Lawrie (Lulu's Brother) and Steve Groves among other members." Note the Pepperpots-like imagery on their album cover, and the title of their other album: Astral Taxi On an unrelated note, the Marmalade album with the band member made up to look like John Lennon: only makes sense as an "in joke" - a 'shout out' from Paul to John. And if you invert the drum, the minstrel looks like an M, as in Marmalade or McCartney - a minstrel - "Listen to the one Who sings of love. Follow our friend, Our wandering friend, Listen to the one, Who sings of love. Everywhere love is around, Around, around. Hear the nations sing Our minstrel's song, As he walks by in their lives Soon the spring will come, And everyone will all be singing, bringing Love - love Everywhere love is all around, Everywhere love is all around." ("Minstrel's Song" - The Moody Blues)
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Post by B on Aug 17, 2008 18:52:07 GMT -5
Geez, you'd think he'd change his shirt once in a while: The Marmalade - Reflections Of My Lifewww.youtube.com/watch?v=79NiN7ISW7EPaul McCartney Superbowl Halftime www.youtube.com/watch?v=kz38asyJkcUJust kidding. Maybe. It's not even Junior, but then, maybe he borrowed the shirt and 'died' it. Let's have a look: Reflections Of My Life Marmalade (1973) The changing of sunlight to moonlight Reflections of my life, oh, how they fill my eyes The greetings of people in trouble (like he is, apparently)Reflections of my life, oh, how they fill my eyes All my sorrows, sad tomorrows Take me back to my own home All my cryings (all my cryings), feel I'm dying, dyingTake me back to my own home (oh I'm going home) I'm changing, arranging, (music, that is) I'm changing I'm changing everything, ah, everything around me The world is a bad place, a bad place A terrible place to live, oh, but I don't wanna die All my sorrows, sad tomorrows Take me back, to my old home All my cryings, (all my cryings), feel I'm dying, dying Take me back to my old home (I'm going home) All my sorrows, sad tomorrows Take me back, (take me back) to my old homeTake me back, Take me back.------------------------------------- Can you take me back where I came from? Can you take me back? Can you take me back where I came from Brother can you take me back?[/b][/i] Two of us wearing raincoats Standing soloIn the sun You and me chasing paper Getting nowhere On our way back homeWe're on our way home We're on our way home We're going home We're going home Better believe it P.S. - Listen to the opening notes of Reflections in that video above, and then compare them to the opening notes of "A Day In the Life". Are they a match, or are they a match? And the drum riff that immediately follows: " Rita!"
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Post by thisone on Aug 17, 2008 20:10:10 GMT -5
Yes indeed. I've learned to play Reflections on guitar since I heard it a couple of weeks ago.
Reflections: G, Bm, Em, G7.... DITL: G, Bm, Em, Em7...
And virtually the same strum pattern.
I spotted that straight away, but didnt think anything of it.
Nice catch on the drums!
Now the shirt is weird, because you're righ thats not Junior wearing the starry T-shirt - he was/is left handed. But there is another left handed guy playing acoustic and I dont think thats Junior either. Junior left the band just after this was a hit, but still worked with them as an arranger, apparently. They changed line up every couple of weeks by the looks of it!
PS I bet someones gonna come in and say G11#13add9, Bm11flat4....etc :-)
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