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Post by puzzled on Dec 10, 2008 21:06:37 GMT -5
Ok, everyone keeps referring us back to lilies and hyacinthes and other flowery topics, so I thought I would start a thread where we could compare notes.
The first thing I am adding is this quote from "Through the Looking Glass" Blog, for no other reason than I have that tab open at the moment:
The lad Hyacinth's beauty caused a feud between Zephyrus and Apollo, which was aggravated by the fact that Hyacinth preferred the radiant archery god Apollo. In jealousy, Zephyrus blew Apollo's discus off course, so as to injure and kill Hyacinth. When he died, Apollo didn't allow Hades to claim the boy; rather, he made a flower, the hyacinth, from his spilled blood. According to Ovid's account, the tears of Apollo stained the newly formed flower's petals with the sign of his grief.
In the Apple thread I asked if the "bent-back tulip" references is also a lily, and therefore a Fleur de lis.
Ok, I am starting to see the common image, but I still don't understand what they are all pointing to.
Please add your lily-related thoughts and symbols here, and see if we can figure it out.
Come on Iameye - I can feel ya holding out on me ;D
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Post by puzzled on Dec 10, 2008 21:13:16 GMT -5
Here is some information from "False Gospel in the Stars" watch.pair.com/cancer-antichrist.htmlFLEUR DE LYS The fleur de lys in the Plantard crest is a also phallic symbol. According to Margaret Starbird's esoteric book, The Woman with the Alabaster Jar: Mary Magdalene and the Holy Grail, the fleur de lys is a masculine symbol of the covenant of circumcision. Typical of occultists, for whom the Bible is a closed book, verses are wrested to their own destruction. "The royal emblem of the Merovingian king Clovis was the fleur-de-lis (the iris)...a masculine symbol. In fact, it is a graphic image of the covenant of circumcision... This three-pronged 'lily' is an ancient symbol for Israel: the capitals of the two phallic pillars of Solomon's Temple, Jachin and Boaz, were carved with 'lily work' (I Kings 7:22)." (936:62) As a symbol of the Merovingian bloodline, the fleur de lys specifically represents the French branch of this genealogical tree. Holy Blood, Holy Grail contains an illustration which explains the connection of the fleur de lys with French Merovingian royalty. "'Legend of the Fleur-de-lys.' A fifteenth century illumination of the legend of the divine origins of the fleur-de-lys, symbol of the French royal line. Clovis I is shown receiving a banner from his queen, Clotilde." (31:Fig.35) Holy Blood, Holy Grail misrepresents the fleur de lys as a Jewish symbol: "Jewish coin of the time of Antiochus VII, 138-29 B.C. The lily, stylized here and perhaps a precursor of the French fleur-de-lys, was a symbol of Judea." (31:Fig.33) More likely the fleur de lys was an Egyptian symbol minted by Antiochus VII, the king of Syria who married Cleopatra Thea, Princess of Egypt. Antiochus VII defeated the Maccabees and besieged Jerusalem. The fleur de lys also represents the Tree of Life which also descends to the netherworld (hell). Notice in Coleridge's poem that the volcano-daimon Typhoeus is ejaculating all over the sky. In French, the surname 'Plantard' means 'sapling', indicating a young plant which has its roots in the underworld but aspires to reach the sky. It seems the fleur de lys is frequently found in ancient Egyptian artifacts. In this next excerpt from Ancient Egyptians and the Constellations can be seen a connection between Osiris—who is identified with the Kabalistic Tree of Life—and the Plantard bloodline. "In ancient Egyptian texts...The Tree of Life grew out of the Sacred Mound, it's branches reaching out and supporting the star and planet studded sky, while it's roots reached down into the watery abyss of the Netherworld. The trunk of the Tree of Life represented the World Pillar or Axis Munde (literally 'Axis of the Mound') around which the heavens appeared to revolve. The World Pillar was the centre of the universe. "The Ancient Egyptian symbol for 'plant' meaning 'Tree of Life' was three sacred lotus lilies. They have tree stems curving to the left as though blown into Life by the breath of Hu, the Celestial Sphinx. On top of each stem is the Lotus flower which was used in Ancient Egypt to represent Life and Resurrection. It is from this hieroglyph that the 'fleur de lis' which is frequently found in Ancient Egyptian Art traces its origin. The fleur de lis' represents the Tree of Life. The glyph which denotes the sacred knowledge associated with Hu is also formed by the three stems of the three sacred lotus lilies... "Osiris, in his earliest Axis Munde form of a tamarisk tree trunk, was called Djed. His later mummy wrappings were symbolic of his having been encased inside a tree trunk. His mummy was therefore an Axis Munde... When Osiris was enclosed in the trunk of a tamarisk tree, which was later cut down and used as a pillar in the palace of the King of Byblos, he metaphorically became as one with the Tree of Life. Osiris became the Axis Munde around which the heavens appear to revolve; he became the World Pillar, the link between the terrestrial and celestial worlds. He held the heavens in his outstretched arms, and he soaked up the word of God from the waters of the Netherworld. In Ancient Egypt the Netherworld was called the 'Netterworld' meaning the 'World of the gods'. The gods had their home among the stars." - 903:6
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Post by puzzled on Dec 10, 2008 22:24:14 GMT -5
I found this fairy tale: The Fairy Tale of the Green Snake and the Beautiful LilyBy: Johann Wolfgang von Goethe Translated by: Thomas Carlyle (1832) It is a very long story, so I am giving an excerpt and you can follow the link if you are interested. I've never heard the story before, and as you will see from the snip it is full of esoteric messages. "Take the mirror," said the Man to the Hawk; "and with the first sunbeam illuminate the three sleepers, and awake them, with light reflected from above." The Snake now began to move; she loosened her circle, and rolled slowly, in large rings, forward to the River. The two Will-o'-wisps followed with a solemn air: you would have taken them for the most serious Flames in Nature. The old Woman and her husband seized the Basket, whose mild light they had scarcely observed till now; they lifted it at both sides, and it grew still larger and more luminous; they lifted the body of the Youth into it, laying the Canary-bird upon his breast; the Basket rose into the air and hovered above the old Woman's head, and she followed the Will-o'-wisps on foot. The fair Lily took Mops on her arm, and followed the Woman; the Man with the Lamp concluded the procession; and the scene was curiously illuminated by these many lights. wn.rsarchive.org/RelAuthors/GoetheJW/GreenSnake.htmlI thought someone may already be familiar with the significance...? Otherwise, it looks like a year-long marathon to translate that one.
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Post by puzzled on Dec 10, 2008 23:03:55 GMT -5
I read this information regarding the Honey Bee as the basis for the Fleur de Lys, so maybe that is why I didn't jump to the lily connection. Is there a round-about connection between lilies and honey bees that I'm missing? andrewgough.co.uk/bee3_1.html
If you are interested, here is the beginning of the essay: Beedazzled, Part Iandrewgough.co.uk/bee1_1.html
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Post by puzzled on Dec 10, 2008 23:16:04 GMT -5
www.gnosticteachings.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=807&mode=linearThe Fleur-de-Lys is the pre-eminent heraldic emblem of French royalty, and is said to represent a lily, symbolic of Davidic descent. While flowers in general symbolize the female reproductive organ, the lily is even more suggestive of a vulva than most. But unlike most flowers, the lily possesses a phallic rod which thrusts forth from its interior, making it uniquely hermaphroditic in its symbolism. All of these symbols have additional layers of meaning, and many can be explained in alternate terms as well. For instance, it has been pointed out that the Rose-Cross, or rosa crux, was a deliberate misrepresentation of what was originally called the ros crux. Rose means rose, but ros actually meant dew, the substance which the ancient alchemists claimed was able to transmute base matter into gold. Rosicrucians took advantage of the confusion between the two terms to consciously camouflage their true intentions in an ambiguous, seemingly unthreatening icon. And both interpretations, ultimately, are equally alchemical in nature. In fact, all the symbols discussed could be understood in an alchemical context: they all represent an integration and transcendence of opposites, and a conjunction of male and female principles.
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Post by puzzled on Dec 10, 2008 23:20:18 GMT -5
Then we have the Lilith connection, as seen in the Lucifer Rising film.
Could Lily just be a shorter nickname for Lilith?
Was Lilith a hermaphrodite too?
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Post by ph0neyprophet on Dec 11, 2008 0:04:53 GMT -5
Iamaphoney has told me LILY stands for Linda I Love You.
Is there any biblicle terms for Linda?
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Post by puzzled on Dec 11, 2008 0:26:29 GMT -5
I did a quick search, and couldn't find anything for Linda or Melinda. Melissa is the name of the Bee Goddess, but I don't think that is close enough. I'll keep my eyes open.
I did find an odd note about the word "Billy." I was watching a YouTube video about the Monarchy and their Illuminati involvements, and the French word for demon was mentioned, which is pronounced "Billy-U" and spelled B.I.LEAUX...? Don't know if that means anything, but 'Billy' jumped out at me.
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Post by puzzled on Dec 11, 2008 1:23:33 GMT -5
When searching I found that some cabbages are part of the lily family...? I remember cabbages coming up before, maybe in the lyrics somewhere.
Anyhoo, here is what I found regarding cabbages:
I found this definition under "cabbage" in the "Chambers Dictionary."
Cabbage-Tree: a New Zealand plant (Cordyline australis), the largest of the lily family, with bushy heads of grass-shaped leaves.
Cabbage Town: Canadian city slum from an area in Toronto whose inhabitants were believed to exist on a diet of cabbage.
Camas or Camash root was a variety of lily bulb that the N. American Indians ate as a staple in their diet.
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Post by Doc on Dec 11, 2008 4:20:03 GMT -5
tinyurl.com/5rtabtA big fat book about Plantegenet lineage. My last name appears somewhere, a certain Baron Gerald Strickland, I think. HA! Those Westmoreland castle dwellers who REFUSE to have the blood test to determine once and for all that we, the descendants of a bastard bearing their name, are no relation to them. That's what they do in England. Refuse the blood test, and that PROVES that we are not related. AND! Also have disinfo people trolling the ancestry forums saying: "There is no proof that that is true. You American Stricklands have no relation there in that county. It's IMPOSSIBLE. Even though 200 different families have verbally passed down certain details that all just happen agree, well, it's not on paper documented, therefore, it can not be true, because only things written down and authenticated by experts can be true." The Sizergh Stricklands claim that it is they have never had a relative at anytime migrate to America. Ever. And they have paid big money $$$$ for "muniments" to prove it. Muniments that no one can read or look at. Unavailable. And the Mormon genealogists can't even get them to talk about it. It's OK. It gives me the opportunity to select a title to use like: "Bastard Pianist", or "Dr. Out-of-Wedlock Perplexed" or something like that. OR maybe "One of 15,278 Castaways in America", or maybe "The 9th Generation Bad-Seed American Black Sheep Orchestra." Whatever. It all works, doesn't it. Actually, it's cool. I don't have to be "one of them", and, judging from, well, me, and the world around me, and all this talk of Merovingian meanies, I am proud to be a no-nothing non-papered uncultured Nowhere Man. All in fun. (edited to shorten long link)
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Post by Doc on Dec 11, 2008 4:22:00 GMT -5
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Post by puzzled on Dec 11, 2008 7:04:08 GMT -5
That is fascinating information, but I am missing the connection.
Were those "curses" retribution for breaking the bloodline specifically?
Where's the Lily? Is there a problem with Lilith's lineage? Is it like the Isaac and Ishmael thing?
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Post by puzzled on Dec 11, 2008 7:12:00 GMT -5
I see there are more than a few people with the name Lily in the Plantagenet book. Is that the Fleur de Lys connection to the heraldry symbol? House of David, but followed on the female side?
I'm just grasping at straws here.... ;D
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Post by puzzled on Dec 11, 2008 7:19:26 GMT -5
I apologize for having to go here, as I know the Icke stuff is problematic, but I found this Lily information in "The Big Secret" so I am going to add it for discussion's sake: Knights of the Sun www.bibliotecapleyades.net/biggestsecret/esp_icke04.htmThe Merovingian king, Clovis, had the iris , or fleur-de-lis, as his royal emblem, a flower which grows wild in the Middle East. It is also known as a three-pronged lily and it was used to symbolize Nimrod or rather the reptilian bloodline of Nimrod. In Latin it means small sword and it became the symbol of the royal bloodline of what is now France and this was because in ancient Sumer the reptilian bloodline, as passed on trough the female, was symbolized by a lily. Hence the main reptilian gene carriers were given names like Lilith, Lili, Lilutu and Lillette. Another version is Lilibet or Elizabeth and this is why the present British Queen is called Elizabeth (El-lizard-birth) and was known to her family circle as Lilibet. She is a major reptilian gene carrier who produced a major reptilian full-blood called Prince Charles. Both are shape-shifting reptilians, a fact that will be supported by later evidence. So is the Queen Mother, formerly Elizabeth (El-lizard-birth) Bowes-Lyon. The fleur-de-lis is an ancient symbol and also represents the twin phallic pillars of 'lilywork', as described in Kings 7:22. Today you will see the fleur-de-lis used around them, and in churches. It is, appropriately, o n a public gate to the White House in Washington, another home of the bloodlines. The three-leafed shamrock in Ireland is likewise an ancient symbol of the bloodline and the word shamrock comes from the North African term: shamrukh. All these symbols relate to the three horned depiction of Nimrod in Babylon and to other esoteric principles. *Added* Look what I found in the very next paragraph, tying it into the bee symbolism: Other Merovingian symbols were the fish (Nimrod again), the lion (Leo, the Sun, authority), and the bee. Three hundred golden bees were found on the burial cloak of King Childeric I, the son of Meroveus, who died in the 5th century. Bees are an ancient symbol of the Love Goddess (Semiramis) and symbolized royalty in Egypt. They also focus on the Queen Bee, symbolic of Isis/Semiramis.
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Post by puzzled on Dec 11, 2008 7:50:40 GMT -5
I really am sorry, I didn't know that Lily was going to lead me here, but this does get into some rather uncomfortable topics. I am just posting as I find things, so don't shoot the messenger. In fact, somebody please give me a reason to go in a different direction! www.apfn.org/apfn/holy_grail.htmIn strict terms, the original Star Fire was the lunar essence of the Goddess, but even in an everyday mundane environment, menstruum contains the most valuable endocrinal secretions, particularly those of the pineal and pituitary glands. The brain's pineal gland in particular was directly associated with the Tree of Life, for this tiny gland was said to secrete the very essence of active longevity, referred to as soma - or as the Greeks called it, ambrosia. In mystic circles, the menstrual flow-er (she who flows) has long been the designated flower, and is represented as a lily or a lotus. Indeed, the definition 'flow-er' is the very root of the modern word flower. In ancient Sumer, the key females of the royal succession were all venerated as lilies, having such names as Lili, Luluwa, Lilith, Lilutu and Lillette.
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Post by puzzled on Dec 11, 2008 8:09:38 GMT -5
Continued from the same link above. I am including this because of the Kali connection from the movie HELP! :
In the fire symbolism of ancient alchemy, the colour red is synonymous with the metal gold. In some traditions (including the Indian tantras), red is also identified with black. Hence, the goddess Kali is said to be both red and black. The original heritage of Kali was, however, Sumerian, and she was said to be Kalimâth, the sister of Cain's wife Luluwa. Kali was a primary princess of the Dragon house and from her Star Fire association she became the goddess of time, seasons, periods and cycles.
In the early days, therefore, the metals of the alchemists were not common metals, but living essences, and the ancient mysteries were of a physical, not a metaphysical, nature. Indeed, the very word 'secret' has its origin in the hidden knowledge of glandular secretions. Truth was the ritu, from which stems not only ritual, but also the words rite, root and red. The ritu, it was said, reveals itself as physical matter in the form of the purest and most noble of all metals: gold, which was deemed to represent an ultimate truth.
Just as the word secret has its origin in the translation of an ancient word, so too do other related words have their similar bases. In ancient Egypt, the word amen was used to signify something hidden or concealed. The word occult meant very much the same: 'hidden from view' - and yet today we use amen to conclude prayers and hymns, while something occult is deemed sinister. In real terms, however, they both relate to the word secret, and all three words were, at one time or another, connected with the mystic science of endocrinal secretions.
Since Kali was associated with black, the English word 'coal' (denoting that which is black) stems also from her name via the intermediate word kol. In the Hebrew tradition, Bath-Kol (a Kali counterpart) was called the Daughter of the Voice, and the voice was said to originate during a female's puberty. Hence, the womb was associated with the enigmatic voice and Star Fire was said to be the oracular Word of the Womb.
The womb was, therefore, the 'utterer', or the uterus. The Scarlet Women were so called because of their being a direct source of the priestly Star Fire. They were known in Greek as the hierodulai (sacred women) - a word later transformed (via medieval French into English) to 'harlot'. In the early Germanic tongue they were known as horés, which was later Anglicised to 'whores'. However, the word originally meant, quite simply, 'beloved ones'. As explained in good etymological dictionaries, these words were descriptions of high veneration and were never interchangeable with such definitions as prostitute or adulteress. Their now common association was, in fact, a wholly contrived strategy of the medieval Roman Church in its bid to denigrate the noble status of the sacred priestess.
The withdrawal of knowledge of the genuine Star Fire tradition from the public domain occurred when the science of the early adepts and later Gnostics was stifled by the forgers of historic Christianity. A certain amount of the original gnosis (knowledge) is preserved in Talmudic and Rabbinical lore but, in general terms, the mainstream Jews and Christians did all in their power to distort and destroy all traces of the ancient art.
In addition to being the Gold of the Gods, the Anunnaki menstruum was also called the Vehicle of Light, being the ultimate source of manifestation and, in this regard, it was directly equated with the mystical Waters of Creation - the flow of eternal wisdom. It was for this reason that the Rosi-Crucis (Cup of the Waters) became the Mark of Cain and the subsequent emblem of the kingly succession. It was said that the Light remained quite dormant in a spiritually unawakened person, but that it could be awakened and motivated by the spiritual energy of self-will and by constant self-enquiry. This is not an obvious mental process, but a truly thought-free consciousness: a formless plain of pure being or knowingness.
It was this very concept of self-completeness which posed the ultimate problem for Enlil-Jehovah. In contrast, his brother Enki knew that humans who partook of the Tree of Knowledge (the Anunnaki wisdom) and of the Plant of Birth (the Anunnaki Star Fire) could themselves become almost like gods. Even Jehovah was said to have recognized this and Genesis states that when Adam had taken the fruit of the Tree, Jehovah said, 'Behold, the man is become as one of us'.
Enki, the wise guardian of the Tree of Knowledge, also had another name in the Hebrew tradition, wherein he was called Samael (Sama-El) because he was the designated Lord of Sama in Northern Mesopotamia. The teachings of the mystery schools were very specific about the Trees of Life and Knowledge, and they emulated the wisdom of Enki himself, maintaining:
Nothing is obtained simply by wanting and nothing is achieved by relinquishing responsibility to a higher authority. Belief is the act of be-living, for to be live is to believe, and will is the ultimate medium of the self.
The Sumerian annals relate that Cain's son, King Etâna, partook of the Plant of Birth in order to father his own son and heir, King Baali, while the Plant of Birth was itself associated with individual longevity and the office of kingship. It was, in practice, related to Star Fire and to pineal gland activity, and partaking from the Plant of Birth was the ritual of ingesting the Star Fire: the Anunnaki female essence, which they called the 'nectar of supreme excellence'.
In this regard, the Anunnaki flow-er (the flower or lily) was held to be the cup-bearer: the transmitter of the rich food of the matrix. In this capacity, she was called the Rose of Sharon (Sha-ra-on). This derives from the word Sha, meaning Orbit, along with the words Ra and On, relating to the ultimate Temple of Light. Hence, she was the Rose of the Orbit of Light. The significance of this highly venerated station is actually made apparent in the Bible's esoteric Song of Solomon, wherein the Messianic bride proclaims, 'I am the rose of Sharon and the lily of the valleys'.
A Star Fire recipient King was considered to have become qualified for kingship when he reached a predestined state of enlightened consciousness - a state when his aptitudes for wisdom and leadership had been enhanced to a realm of kingship called the Malkû. It was from this Mesopotamian word that the Hebrews derived their words malchus (king) and malkhut (kingdom).
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Post by iameye on Dec 11, 2008 8:31:42 GMT -5
Is that the Fleur de Lys connection to the heraldry symbol? House of David, but followed on the female side? I'm just grasping at straws here.... ;D house of david? where do you find this?I missed that connection if you could repost.... When searching I found that some cabbages are part of the lily family...? I remember cabbages coming up before, maybe in the lyrics somewhere. Anyhoo, here is what I found regarding cabbages: I found this definition under "cabbage" in the "Chambers Dictionary." Cabbage-Tree: a New Zealand plant (Cordyline australis), the largest of the lily family, with bushy heads of grass-shaped leaves. Cabbage Town: Canadian city slum from an area in Toronto whose inhabitants were believed to exist on a diet of cabbage. Camas or Camash root was a variety of lily bulb that the N. American Indians ate as a staple in their diet. T he time has come," the Walrus said, "To talk of many things: Of shoes--and ships--and sealing-wax-- Of cabbages--and kings-- And why the sea is boiling hot-- And whether pigs have wings."
Ok, everyone keeps referring us back to lilies and hyacinthes and other flowery topics, so I thought I would start a thread where we could compare notes. The first thing I am adding is this quote from "Through the Looking Glass" Blog, for no other reason than I have that tab open at the moment: The lad Hyacinth's beauty caused a feud between Zephyrus and Apollo, which was aggravated by the fact that Hyacinth preferred the radiant archery god Apollo. In jealousy, Zephyrus blew Apollo's discus off course, so as to injure and kill Hyacinth. When he died, Apollo didn't allow Hades to claim the boy; rather, he made a flower, the hyacinth, from his spilled blood. According to Ovid's account, the tears of Apollo stained the newly formed flower's petals with the sign of his grief. In the Apple thread I asked if the "bent-back tulip" references is also a lily, and therefore a Fleur de lis. Ok, I am starting to see the common image, but I still don't understand what they are all pointing to. Please add your lily-related thoughts and symbols here, and see if we can figure it out. Come on Iameye - I can feel ya holding out on me ;D I'm not... ;D the most common central theme would indicate life/love/three Queen: I am for ever searching high and low But why does everybody tell me no? Neptune of the seas An answer for me please The lily of the valley doesn't know
I lie and wait with open eyes I carry on through stormy skies I follow every course My Kingdom for a Horse But each time I grow old Serpent of the Nile Relieve me for a while And cast me from you're spell, let me go
Messenger from seven seas has flown To tell the King of Rhye he's lost his Throne Wars will never cease Is there time enough for peace For the lily of the valley doesn't know
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Post by puzzled on Dec 11, 2008 9:21:33 GMT -5
I kept reading that connection with the House of David, but I guess I hadn't posted it here. I did a quick search, and here is one example: House of Peerage The fleur-de-lys (lily or iris) is a symbol of kingship that goes back far into antiquity to the origins of civilization and is found as such in the archeology of Egypt, Mesopotamia, India, Assyria and other ancient cultures. It has been the heraldic symbol of the Royal House of France from the dawn of history and is an allusion to my grandfather's (Oliver Nassau Senior) descent from Philippa Plantagenet, Countess of Ulster and of March (daughter of Lionel, Duke of Clarence (1338-1368), second son of Edward III), from whom the House of York derived their claim to the throne. Edward III inherited a claim to the throne of France through his mother, Isabella, daughter of Philip IV, King of France, and therefore quartered the royal arms of France with those of England. The fleur-de-lys is an ancient Jewish symbol of the House of David. The lily is also a symbol of simplicity and purity as, for example, in the Sermon on the Mount - 'Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin: And yet I say unto you, that even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.' www.peerage.org/genealogy/milne_arms.htm*EDIT* Also, please see Post #4 above.
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Post by puzzled on Dec 11, 2008 10:44:26 GMT -5
I don't want to post stuff pertaining to Monarch Programming and all that depressing stuff, but there is a lot of Lilith and Lily symbolism used in the system. So just to mention that, here is the link to the Wheeler/Springmeier book if anyone wants to check it out: www.ministryoflies.com/The%20Illuminati%20Formula%20Used%20to%20Create%20an%20Undetectable%20Total%20Mind%20 Controlled%20Slave.pdf One thing to keep in mind though, is how beneficial it would be to include these symbols in music and in artwork, so that you would continually be reinforcing the program.
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Post by puzzled on Dec 11, 2008 11:07:14 GMT -5
The Rose of Sarai www.dragoncourt.us/a/posts.php?topic=15&start=Sheba, as the Lily of the (Nile) Valley, the nymphaea lotus and the the rose of Sharon: the ladanifer, was being likened unto a living, narcotic pharmacopoeia. As neither of these plants grow in Northern Europe, we have contented ourselves with the nearest familiar symbols, those being the virginal Fleur de Lys and the Plantagenet or English Rose. The Rose represents therefore the magical menstrual flow of Solomon’s beloved, whilst the name Sharon or Sarah means princess. The Rose of Sharon is therefore the Royal Blood, the Sang Real; and the San Graal, the Holy Blood of the Holy Grail or rosi-crucis. As the Latin Ros-Sara or rosary which is devoted to the Virgin Mary, the pure white Lily, which itself is the "dew of the princess" (OED). The word Rose in Germanic means Horse, from Hros, a deity who is identifiable with the goddesses Rhiannon and Epona, who were symbolized by the white mare and immortalized in chalk, hill carvings across Britain. By a lucky stroke of fate, or under the power of "the single poetic theme", as Robert Graves would have it, The Hros, like Slepnir (Yggdrasil), Rhiannon, Epona (and the Hindu Breghi Moru) were the goddesses who conducted the King to the Otherworld and to the goal of sovereignty. This was exactly the job of Sheba, the Rose of Sharon, and all the other watery nymphettes in history. So the Rose of Sharon, whilst referring to the flower of the royal menses, also refers to the function of that fluid as a method of transport to the otherworld. The white rose, like the red rose, symbolizes love, but which in this case is philea rather than eros. The horse’s reins and livery are black and adorned with skulls and crossbones, which we understand to be representations of the Baphomet or Holy Grail. Behind him in the distance lie the twin towers that feature in another major Arcana card - "The Moon". Beyond the towers the sun is shining above the dark horizon. The towers, the horns of the Sabbatical Goat, represent the open legs of the priestess-goddess and the glow of the sun... Tamaris or Palm tree, beloved of the Phoenix, whose leaves comprise of the many-eyed tail feathers of the Yedzidic peacock god of Mesopotamia - Shaitan, who was worshipped in rituals of blood. " He feedeth amongst the lilies" Song of Solomon, Chapter II, vs 16: Sheba enjoins Solomon to feed amongst the lilies until the break of day, like a young hart on the mountains of Bether. A lily is a virgin and thus Solomon by night feeds amongst the Virgins, the virgin princesses of his "Harem". The medieval kabalists proposed a sacred code as a key to translating the hermetic secrets of the Song or "Canticle of Canticles" as it was also known, whilst some commentators have asserted that the work was derived from (Egyptian) cultic origins and was part of a rite of sacred marriage, a fertility ceremony and a ritual to ward off death. (James M. Reese). These three components together adequately describe, in its entirety, the organic-alchemical rite of vampirism which is itself a sacred marriage, a union of enthea, intended to open the mind to creativity and transcendent perceptions, thus stimulating spiritual fertility and increasing longevity, or warding off death if you like. The Song of Solomon is a Blood Rite, a communion where the wine, the blood, of the virgin goddess is drunk. This rite remained in the House of David until Jesus ben Panther’s time when it was re-instated by him as an exoteric ritual for his disciples. Solomon’s harem was a blood farm and the females in it were there to feed him, to increase his wisdom and lengthen his life. Sheba seems to have been the first lady amongst many and throughout the discourse she continues, like them, to retain her virginity. In taking a closer view of the evidence we will inspect the following passages. Chapter II vs 16-17; Chapter IV vss 12-13; Chapter IV vs 15; Chapter V vs 5; Chapter VII vs 9 and Chapter VIII vs 2. Chapter II vs 16: "My beloved is mine and I am his, he feedeth amongst the lilies". vs 17: "Until the day break and the shadows flee away, turn, my beloved, and be thou like a roe or a young hart upon the mountains of Bether". As we have seen, feeding amongst the lilies is feeding from the blood and water of the young virgin brides. The hart on the mountain symbolizes the young king in his glory and the medieval symbol of the young stag drinking from the Grail is directly related to these verses.
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Post by iameye on Dec 11, 2008 12:05:55 GMT -5
Tamaris or Palm tree, beloved of the Phoenix, whose leaves comprise of the many-eyed tail feathers of the Yedzidic peacock god of Mesopotamia - Shaitan, who was worshipped in rituals of blood. " He feedeth amongst the lilies" Song of Solomon, Chapter II, vs 16: Sheba enjoins Solomon to feed amongst the lilies until the break of day, like a young hart on the mountains of Bether. A lily is a virgin and thus Solomon by night feeds amongst the Virgins, the virgin princesses of his "Harem". The medieval kabalists proposed a sacred code as a key to translating the hermetic secrets of the Song or "Canticle of Canticles" as it was also known, whilst some commentators have asserted that the work was derived from (Egyptian) cultic origins and was part of a rite of sacred marriage, a fertility ceremony and a ritual to ward off death. (James M. Reese). These three components together adequately describe, in its entirety, the organic-alchemical rite of vampirism which is itself a sacred marriage, a union of enthea, intended to open the mind to creativity and transcendent perceptions, thus stimulating spiritual fertility and increasing longevity, or warding off death if you like. The Song of Solomon is a Blood Rite, a communion where the wine, the blood, of the virgin goddess is drunk. This rite remained in the House of David until Jesus ben Panther’s time when it was re-instated by him as an exoteric ritual for his disciples. Solomon’s harem was a blood farm and the females in it were there to feed him, to increase his wisdom and lengthen his life. Sheba seems to have been the first lady amongst many and throughout the discourse she continues, like them, to retain her virginity. In taking a closer view of the evidence we will inspect the following passages. Chapter II vs 16-17; Chapter IV vss 12-13; Chapter IV vs 15; Chapter V vs 5; Chapter VII vs 9 and Chapter VIII vs 2. Chapter II vs 16: "My beloved is mine and I am his, he feedeth amongst the lilies". vs 17: "Until the day break and the shadows flee away, turn, my beloved, and be thou like a roe or a young hart upon the mountains of Bether". As we have seen, feeding amongst the lilies is feeding from the blood and water of the young virgin brides. The hart on the mountain symbolizes the young king in his glory and the medieval symbol of the young stag drinking from the Grail is directly related to these verses. hey, wasn't that (some)one of the kubrik interpretations for eyes wide shut?
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Dec 11, 2008 12:16:01 GMT -5
I apologize for having to go here, as I know the Icke stuff is problematic, but I found this Lily information in "The Big Secret" so I am going to add it for discussion's sake: Knights of the Sun www.bibliotecapleyades.net/biggestsecret/esp_icke04.htmThe Merovingian king, Clovis, had the iris , or fleur-de-lis, as his royal emblem, a flower which grows wild in the Middle East. It is also known as a three-pronged lily and it was used to symbolize Nimrod or rather the reptilian bloodline of Nimrod. In Latin it means small sword and it became the symbol of the royal bloodline of what is now France and this was because in ancient Sumer the reptilian bloodline, as passed on trough the female, was symbolized by a lily. Hence the main reptilian gene carriers were given names like Lilith, Lili, Lilutu and Lillette.Another version is Lilibet or Elizabeth and this is why the present British Queen is called Elizabeth (El-lizard-birth) and was known to her family circle as Lilibet. She is a major reptilian gene carrier who produced a major reptilian full-blood called Prince Charles. Both are shape-shifting reptilians, a fact that will be supported by later evidence. So is the Queen Mother, formerly Elizabeth (El-lizard-birth) Bowes-Lyon. The fleur-de-lis is an ancient symbol and also represents the twin phallic pillars of 'lilywork', as described in Kings 7:22. Today you will see the fleur-de-lis used around them, and in churches. It is, appropriately, o n a public gate to the White House in Washington, another home of the bloodlines. The three-leafed shamrock in Ireland is likewise an ancient symbol of the bloodline and the word shamrock comes from the North African term: shamrukh. All these symbols relate to the three horned depiction of Nimrod in Babylon and to other esoteric principles. *Added* Look what I found in the very next paragraph, tying it into the bee symbolism: Other Merovingian symbols were the fish (Nimrod again), the lion (Leo, the Sun, authority), and the bee. Three hundred golden bees were found on the burial cloak of King Childeric I, the son of Meroveus, who died in the 5th century. Bees are an ancient symbol of the Love Goddess (Semiramis) and symbolized royalty in Egypt. They also focus on the Queen Bee, symbolic of Isis/Semiramis. If we assume for a minute that Icke is correct, and that reptilians are not only real, but are in control and have been for a long time, then maybe we should take the Braverman "handshake " image LITERALLY. In this context, it doesn't symbolically represent a deal with the powers that be. It LITERALLY represents a deal with the REPTILIANS, who also happen to be the powers that be.
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Post by iameye on Dec 11, 2008 12:23:32 GMT -5
maybe it's a mirror image, of sorts
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Post by puzzled on Dec 11, 2008 14:02:54 GMT -5
Hey Prophet - I found Linda! But not in biblical texts. Check this out. The Macca/Linda connection: The power of snake cult was so strong that the Buddhists, and Jains adopted it. Vaishnavites had a problem having a snake-eating bird Garuda as the First Bird, Ananta-Sesa-snake as the First Snake and Brahma the First-Born sitting tremulously on the navel-lotus work for the First God Vishnu without fighting with each other. It is like seeing President-Elect Obama presiding over a cabinet made of Republicans and Democrats. (Dec 2nd 2008.) Vishnu, the god of conciliation made them respect each other and serve Him well. Buddhists always have the pacific mind. They morphed angry Hindu goddess Tara into a benign Tara. Likewise, they morphed the venomous serpent into a protective one, Mucalinda. When meditating Buddha, receiving enlightenment, was hit by cauliflower-like Cumulonimbus Clouds, cold winds and rain-pelter, the Serpent-King Mucalinda emerged from the roots of the Bo Tree, wrapped around him like a shroud in seven circles, spread its humongous hood over his haloed head and protected Buddha for seven days and seven nights. The storm died down; lo and behold, the benign serpent morphed into a handsome youth with opposed palms in homage to the Blessed One. The Jains regard Time as revolving, circular and cyclical as one would see a serpent would hold its tail in its mouth. The Time ascends and descends alternately. Avasarpini is Descending Time; Utsarpini is Ascending Time. Now you know the word for serpent came from Sanskrit, Sarpa/ Sarpin. Unfortunately we are in descending time right now. Vasuki was the serpent used in churning the Milk Ocean to release the nectar of eternal life. While Vasuki was used as churning rope, it emitted poison which blackened Vishnu. Now you know how and why Vishnu turned black from white. It goes to tell you that in this birth one may be white; next may be black, brown....Ananta-Sesa is the thousand-headed cosmic serpent regarded by the west as the theriomorphic form of Vishnu and is the snake-bed on which Vishnu reclines between destruction and creation. Ananta-Sesa indicates the endless revolutions of time. End of serpent stories. www.bhagavadgitausa.com.cnchost.com/KALI.htm
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Post by puzzled on Dec 11, 2008 14:45:16 GMT -5
Is there a member here from England? While searching with these same words, I came across this story with a reference to Tunbridge Wells, and mentions a road A21. I don't know the area, but I did a search to see if the Dewsbury Road came up with that reference, and it does. Could there be a connection to this story and the Dewsbury Road reference?: In England, during the 1300’s this vampire maiden was to be found in the Home Counties and her name, the ’Maid of Kent’ pins her down as being, according to John Ferguson, the Countess of Salisbury who, at a summer ball in Calais was said to have let slip her Garter, which King Edward III retrieved with haste and, lifting the accoutrement into the air, pronounced "Honi Soit Qui Mal Y Pense". As to her wandering around near Tunbridge Wells when the unfortunate knight-in-armour (from her point of view an early attempt at perfecting the art of tinning fresh meat) met her, she like him was returning from the Calais festivities when he must have caught up with her on the leafy track that has now become the famous A21. We will catch up with them in a minute. Scholars once dismissed Professor Margaret Murray for several things, one being that the Garter incident elicited an over-reaction from Edward if the Garter was of no ritual significance. But however scholars may dismiss the incident, the question will not go away. This is all history pertaining to the Order of the Garter, which the royal family head up. I also saw this little mention, and it makes me think of "Why don't we do it in the road": Love on a Four Lane BlacktopThe element of translucence and light that is attributed to fairies can also be found in the stories relating to the shamans and kings of Eldorado in South America where these individuals are also referred to as the ’ Shining Ones’ which is a common epithet, as we know, for the Elves of Eurasia. And that brings us back around to the "Shining" connection, with the Shining Ones, who had all these miraculous abilities. www.bibliotecapleyades.net/dragons/esp_sociopol_dragoncourt02_04.htm
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