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Post by JoJo on Feb 19, 2009 18:50:39 GMT -5
It was August of 1968, Issue #61.
I had to spend a dollar or two, and all for one damned picture, but I have this magazine on order. It's coming from Ireland, so it will take a bit of time, but I'll do a scan when I get it.
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Post by puzzled on Feb 19, 2009 19:28:53 GMT -5
I have done my best to stay out of this, but I have a valid question. If it is Paul, why would he allow himself to be photographed ? He was out of the scene for a few years at that point. If he wanted out of the madness & faded behind the scenes, why would he allow his photo to be taken with his replacement ? I'm sure that they wanted a smooth transition, and they did NOT want any questions asked about the validity of Faul's identity. If it was a shot meant only for those involved, why would it be in a Beatle Magazine ? It's as if it was done on purpose as an inside joke. 3 Paul's in one shot, hahaha. But only those involved would get it. Releasing it in a Beatle Magazine would risk raising uncomfortable questions.It makes no sense to me. You seem to be avoiding the reality that in fact NO ONE raised any questions nor did anybody notice apparently all these years, since I've not seen this particular photo argued about before. So it would appear that they can show pretty much anything, as long as they verbalize another story, since anyone questioning the officially stated truth is obviously crazy. Hidden in plain sight again?
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Post by Red Lion on Feb 19, 2009 19:35:42 GMT -5
If it is Paul, why would he allow himself to be photographed ? That would depend on whether or not Paul had control of when he was photographed and if it got published. It is quite possible (if pic is genuine and untouched) that it was a decided "leak" or a mistake. Either way I don't see many arguing JPM's profile, which we've all seen countless times. I'm sure that they wanted a smooth transition, and they did NOT want any questions asked about the validity of Faul's identity. They had a perfectly smooth transition in 1966, no questions were asked.
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Post by mommybird on Feb 19, 2009 20:30:02 GMT -5
Honestly, I don't think that Paul would be at a public outing like that in 1968. I don't know how ( or why ) this photo was made, but it does not fit in with your viewpoint either.
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Post by mrshears on Feb 19, 2009 20:54:11 GMT -5
GrannyBird, i do see your point in saying that if that was paul,(who "didnt want to be on the scene around that time" supposedly)what was he doing on a boat with faul and these other mysterious characters. your statement has caused me to raise that same question. a straight-forward answer to that question would be definetly appreciated. anyone?
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Post by Red Lion on Feb 19, 2009 20:56:51 GMT -5
Honestly, I don't think that Paul would be at a public outing like that in 1968.
Personal opinions about what Paul may or may not have attended are immaterial, as he appears to be in the shot. Two things are important here. Is the guy on the left actually JPM? And has the photo been altered?
I don't know how ( or why ) this photo was made, but it does not fit in with your viewpoint either.
Do you have personal first hand knowledge that this photo was "made"?...... I don't think you know my point of view.
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Post by mrshears on Feb 19, 2009 21:22:13 GMT -5
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Post by mrshears on Feb 19, 2009 21:24:29 GMT -5
Honestly, I don't think that Paul would be at a public outing like that in 1968.Personal opinions about what Paul may or may not have attended are immaterial, as he appears to be in the shot. Two things are important here. Is the guy on the left actually JPM? And has the photo been altered? I don't know how ( or why ) this photo was made, but it does not fit in with your viewpoint either. Do you have personal first hand knowledge that this photo was "made"?...... I don't think you know my point of view. asking her if she has first hand knowledge, is sorta crazy, only because she just said she doesnt know how OR where this photo was made.
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Post by Red Lion on Feb 19, 2009 21:32:06 GMT -5
No more crazy than making the statement that this photo was "made."
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Post by eyesbleed on Feb 19, 2009 22:32:21 GMT -5
Honestly, I don't think that Paul would be at a public outing like that in 1968. I don't know how ( or why ) this photo was made, but it does not fit in with your viewpoint either. Well I don't know granny, but it seems to me that they had already gotten away with the Sgt.P cover. They put this guy on there who looks nothing like JPM. They don't share any physical characteristics, yet nobody even so much as raised an eyebrow. Were any of your friends wondering who that guy was taking Pauls' place? No, neither were my friends or myself. Just dress them up in bright colors & add some facial hair, tell the world that's Paul & everyone will believe you. People had forgotten what JPM looked like by then. Publishing this photo is nowhere near as brazen as publishing the Sgt.P cover.
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Post by nothingthatdoesn'tshow on Feb 19, 2009 23:02:03 GMT -5
Let me add to this by saying that if it were Paul there on the left, why would he be wearing a mop top haircut of all things?...where it would be easier for him to be recognized? That was the beauty of the whole thing. If someone were to see the Paul on the left(JPM) they would say, "Look! It's Paul McCartney!". They would say the same thing if they saw the Paul in the middle of the photo as well as the Paul on the right. As long as they were never seen together. Everyone on that boat was in on it. No outsiders were present. The photograph was taken by Dennis O'Dell who was a director of Apple Corps. at the time. Dennis O'Dell with George Harrison
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Post by GN on Feb 20, 2009 2:58:14 GMT -5
Let me add to this by saying that if it were Paul there on the left, why would he be wearing a mop top haircut of all things?...where it would be easier for him to be recognized? Agreed. Search for a Keith Allison profile instead.
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Post by Jude on Feb 20, 2009 9:18:50 GMT -5
Honestly, I don't think that Paul would be at a public outing like that in 1968. Grannybird, the photo was taken during John and Paul's famous 1968 trip to New York, where they announced the founding of Apple Corps. Since this boat trip was the first official "meeting" of those involved with the company, it makes perfect sense for Paul to be there. This is all assuming that the original Paul didn't die, of course, but instead stayed involved with the group creatively while others took on the "public" persona of Paul McCartney (along with recording and writing their own songs, of course).
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Post by Jude on Feb 20, 2009 9:23:05 GMT -5
Let me add to this by saying that if it were Paul there on the left, why would he be wearing a mop top haircut of all things?...where it would be easier for him to be recognized? Agreed. Search for a Keith Allison profile instead. This man doesn't look like Paul McCartney. And why would he be invited to an Apple business meeting, might I ask?
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Post by B on Feb 20, 2009 10:06:44 GMT -5
<----Cute chick!But he does look like Doc!
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Post by iameye on Feb 20, 2009 10:20:23 GMT -5
Agreed. Search for a Keith Allison profile instead. [ i]This man doesn't look like Paul McCartney. And why would he be invited to an Apple business meeting, might I ask?[/color] he does, enough for the "cuteness" factor. This man doesn't look like Paul McCartney. And why would he be invited to an Apple business meeting, might I ask?why would he be in RINGO! ? ok, maybe not why..... Ringo, stressed out by fame, trades places with a schmuck who looks exactly like him. Then the problems start......www.imdb.com/title/tt0077071/
anyway, we have tons of info around which could place him in the mix..... but I'm not saying he's a "guy" in the photo
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Post by B on Feb 20, 2009 10:39:22 GMT -5
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Post by iameye on Feb 20, 2009 10:46:40 GMT -5
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Feb 20, 2009 11:12:15 GMT -5
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Post by GN on Feb 20, 2009 11:35:17 GMT -5
eeeww i just noticed some thing...ringos nose is unusually big in this pic! A Pepper Faul nose indeed.
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Post by FP on Feb 20, 2009 12:24:20 GMT -5
Oh come on, we all know that pic of "Faul" isn't 1967.
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Post by B on Feb 20, 2009 15:21:42 GMT -5
We do? Besides, GN is pointing out that the nose of the "Paul" disembarking the plane doesn't match Paul's.
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Post by Valis on Feb 20, 2009 15:31:52 GMT -5
Maybe he is both alive and dead at the same time.
At least that is what modern physics points to and imo that's the closest to the truth. Linear time hasn't happened, we make up the Beatles story as we go along...NOW.
Read Michael Talbot's Holographic Universe.
Then we are left with faith, hope and love of which love is the most important.
And please anyone don't insult other forummembers if you may disagree, be seeing you.
All Love Jan
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Post by FP on Feb 20, 2009 15:33:22 GMT -5
We do? Besides, GN is pointing out that the nose of the "Paul" disembarking the plane doesn't match Paul's. I know, but it's just one picture taken during the time of Wings where he's making a weird expression and flaring his nostrils. Can any post a pic of him with a nose like that in 1967/68?
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Post by mommybird on Feb 20, 2009 16:04:24 GMT -5
I think that we should all heed what Valis has said. He is a very wise man. He might very well be right. I'm not too proud to admit that as a possibility. Here's a few scenarios: The photo was tampered with either in 1968 or the present to show us something. 3 Paul's together in one place. The three stages of Paul. Maybe it has an occult significance ? Iameye, others who are into the esoteric side of this, I would love your input on this possibility. Or, as Valis believes, all three are there at once. That time is not linear. Paul is both alive & dead. I personally believe that time is not linear, so I would have to accept that as a possibility. Someone on my forum pointed out that Paul looks as he did in 1965, not 1966. Either way, he is wearing something that I have seen him in before. I have pointed out on my forum that the pixel pattern is not uniform throughout the photo. Secondlifer was able to place two new people inside the photo within 1/2 hour's time, using photoshop. I'm not sure if it was possible to do that in 1968, but I wouldn't be surprised if it WAS possible. The people who set this whole thing up seemed to have many tricks up their "collective" sleeve. My biggest question is WHY ? WHY make a photo like this & publish it for the world to see. I know that RedLion, Jude & most likely others don't see anything wrong with Paul being in the same photo as two of his replacements. I do. I find it very unlikely & illogical. If he was indeed trying to start a new life & leave his "Beatle Persona" to others, he would have done his best not to be recognized in public. To actually be in a photo with them would've been self-defeating & ludicrous. Paul tried very hard to be considerate of others. He would've recognized the shock that it would've caused his fans to see someone else had taken his place. Many people would've felt betrayed. I don't think that Paul would've taken the chance of that happening. I have a few more questions: The sailor that Paul is talking to, is he in any other photos from that 1968 boat trip ? Doesn't anyone else think that it's strange that 1967 Faul would still look that way in 1968 ? For what purpose ? His "Persona" had been left behind the year before. He was obsolete. I'm sure that whomever played him would've gone onto doing something else with his life. Anything else makes no sense to me.
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