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Post by 8749 on Apr 13, 2009 16:32:50 GMT -5
Quote-- Macca says he took them (his shoes) off 'cuz it was a hot day.--Unquote. Believe it. Macca was uses to not wearing shoes. A throwback to his childhood.
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Post by plastic paul on Apr 14, 2009 7:50:10 GMT -5
OK, do you have a source for that?
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Post by 8749 on Apr 14, 2009 14:51:30 GMT -5
I haven't been able to find the identity of Faul/Macca yet, but I've been doing research on his background. Everyone will agree (yes?) that Faul took over the show from 1967-on. The Sgt. Pepper and MMT albums and videos are Faul's babies. A lot of info has been coming out from the 1970's-on that wasn't recognizable to most people at the time the albums were made. I'll have it all put together in a couple of weeks, but the document that pointed the way was the The Making of The Beatles' Magical Mystery Tour by Tony Barrow (1999, Omnibus.) He has an actual page from the sign-in register of September 12, 1967 from the Atlantic Hotel in Newquay that the Beatles (and Featles) stayed at when they were filming MMT. Faul gives his address as "Hungry Hall. Herts." That's Hertfordshire. He gives his nationality as "Brown." Faul has an Anglo-Romany (Gypsy) background. It's unmistakable, it all fits, and I'll document it all for youse, if you want.
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Post by JoJo on Apr 14, 2009 16:06:30 GMT -5
Please do.
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Post by 8749 on Apr 14, 2009 16:49:33 GMT -5
I read plastic paul's response just today so I'll give you a summary of what I've found tomorrow (there's alot.) I'll tell you how I tripped on to it (not in a drug way, of course.) I was reading a book about English dialects and they had a section on the Romanies. One of the common professions for Gypsies is horse trading. I liked Faul's song JET when it came out. In Detroit, we heard these lyrics: Oh, mater, want Jet to always love me (or you), Oh, mater, HORSE TRADER. Not MUCH LATER as Faul sings it in concert. Piebald (mottled black and white) horses are called Gypsy horses--the favored horses of the Gypsies. Linda McCartney took several photos of Faul's Gypsy horse, Lucky Spot. You can see a painting of that horse (or a similar one) on YouTube: www.youtube.com/watch?v=fw5GzSSEIn4 at 1:33-1:54. You can see Linda and Faul riding Gypsy horses on YouTube: www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYHOuwMY5c at 5:23-5:58.
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Post by 8749 on Apr 14, 2009 17:07:06 GMT -5
Another point about horses and Faul and Denny Laine. Faul said he chose Denny Laine to be a member of Wings because they had similar backgrounds. Denny Laine comes from a Romany background. (He also raises miniature horses.)
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Post by JoJo on Apr 14, 2009 20:26:43 GMT -5
Thanks 8749 for the info. I've heard of gypsies of course, but didn't know about the "Romani" name. (Ram on?) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_people for anyone who needs more info. Of course he may just like the black and white horses 'cause well.. he likes them, some people like golden retrievers for no particular reason other than it suits them. All the same, there may be other tip-offs, please feel free to continue.
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Post by B on Apr 14, 2009 20:57:43 GMT -5
Faul has an Anglo-Romany (Gypsy) background.
Live a little, be a gypsy; get around Get your feet up off the ground Live a little; get around
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Post by 8749 on Apr 15, 2009 16:48:00 GMT -5
I found the most important information about Faul's Gypsy background in Paul McCartney: Many Years From Now by Barry Miles (1997 H. Holt.) Faul was talking about how as a child he worked going door-to-door collecting JAM JARS. It's already been pointed out on this board that jam jars is rhyming slang for motor cars. One of the major areas of work for Gypsies is scrap metal collecting. Part of the work is to go door-to-door in neighborhoods asking for junk cars and scrap metal. Gypsies take their children along and teach them what the Gypsies call "calling." Faul did this. Paul didn't. If you read the February, 1965 Playboy interview, Paul, talking about his father said, "He occasionally had trouble paying the bills, but it was never, you know, never 'Go out and pick blackberries, son; we're a bit short this week.'" Faul in the Barry Miles' interview said he was a regular "Bob-a-Job", working all the time as a kid. Paul didn't.
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Post by JoJo on Apr 15, 2009 17:55:24 GMT -5
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Post by iameye on Apr 15, 2009 17:59:28 GMT -5
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Post by 8749 on Apr 16, 2009 17:34:41 GMT -5
I think I found important information that proves the Paul of today is not the real Paul. But I can start a blog and post the information there.
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Post by suppose so on Apr 16, 2009 17:37:56 GMT -5
I think I found important information that proves the Paul of today is not the real Paul. But I can start a blog and post the information there. be a member of this one or go to iamaphoney.blogspot.com
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Post by 8749 on Apr 16, 2009 18:18:51 GMT -5
suppose so, who are you?
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Post by JoJo on Apr 16, 2009 20:11:38 GMT -5
I think I found important information that proves the Paul of today is not the real Paul. But I can start a blog and post the information there. It would be great if you share your ideas 8749, here would be nice, but.. If you start a blog, let us all know the address.
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Post by 8749 on May 1, 2009 18:00:41 GMT -5
Do you want me to join the board or do you want me to start a blog?
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Post by JoJo on May 1, 2009 21:02:14 GMT -5
Do you want me to join the board or do you want me to start a blog? You could do both. The decision is yours, the pro of having your own blog is sole control over the broadcast of your ideas.. The pro of posting here vs. a blog is the give and take of ideas that don't work as well on a blog, even with a comments section. (IMO) Either way, people will read it, rest assured.
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Post by 65if2007 on May 2, 2009 19:39:18 GMT -5
Your comments interest me, 8749.
I'm a PID/PWR agnostic.
I don't think that Paul McCartney was ever really replaced, and yet there's just enough of a nagging doubt in the back of my mind to keep me interested.
That would be pretty ironic if the barefoot Paul -- which has long been supposed to be a purposeful clue (i.e., he was buried without his shoes) -- turned out to be a clue delivered by accident (the substitute didn't wear shoes as a kid). Real life really does work out that way sometimes.
I'm an agnostic, but it's still interesting.
I don't believe in any of this "Featles" nonsense though. That just causes the whole PID thing to lose whatever credibility that it has. John and George's appearances changed on numerous occasions but always in superficial ways that could be accounted for by age and lifestyle.
And there couldn't possibly be any more than one Ringo Starr.
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Post by 8749 on May 6, 2009 16:57:56 GMT -5
Yeah, 65if2007, I DO think there was a Featle John. I talked about a November, 1980 Esquire article in the Lilley's Isolation Tank post on the guest board. It's a wonderful article; I recommend it. He went down to Palm Beach in 1980 looking for John and said people saw him on the street but that "there was something slightly spooky about these Lennon sightings, though: the man never looked the same twice." He said different people said Lennon looked like: Sigmund Freud, Henri Matisse, a scraggly Prince Charles, and a Mennonite rabbi (sic). I think John definitely had one or more look-alike stand ins.
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Post by Jude on May 6, 2009 21:24:26 GMT -5
I would just like to throw my two cents in, if you don't mind:
IF there was ever a Featle John, he most certainly was the one who was shot, brought to the morgue and (possibly) cremated. Although John was a seemingly happily married man with a beautiful boy, I can think of several reasons that that he would want to "die" to the public, and I believe there are even clues left in his songs that hint at his oncoming death.
Sir Paul McCartney is not a gypsy. Please. Watch or read any number of interviews with Paul (particularly the 1984 Playboy interview)---this guy is definitely from or from somewhere around Liverpool. The accent is dead-on, and he seems all too familiar with people and places in Liverpool to be a gypsy from God knows where.
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Post by 8749 on May 7, 2009 16:46:26 GMT -5
Sir Paul is, in fact, a gypsy. Read Barry Miles' book, PAUL MCCARTNEY: MANY YEARS FROM NOW. He did a series of interviews with him and it is, basically, a 62 year-old man, reminising. I was reading Paul's interview in THE BEATLES ANTHOLOGY and the only "work" he did as a kid was helping out behind the bar at McCartney New Year's Eve parties. He talked about doing chores after his mother died: "Now Mum was gone there were chores to be done: I had to do the fire and a bit of cleaning. But we also made a point of playing out, too. . . . I learnt to cook some things." NO work outside the home. Contrast that with the Miles interview where Sir Paul was complaining about having to go door to door, collecting "jam jars" and enduring the abuse of householders. Check YouTube. Type in gypsy and scrap and you will find what Sir Paul was doing as a child. He's a Gypsy.
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Post by Jude on May 8, 2009 11:46:10 GMT -5
Sir Paul is, in fact, a gypsy. Read Barry Miles' book, PAUL MCCARTNEY: MANY YEARS FROM NOW. He did a series of interviews with him and it is, basically, a 62 year-old man, reminising. I was reading Paul's interview in THE BEATLES ANTHOLOGY and the only "work" he did as a kid was helping out behind the bar at McCartney New Year's Eve parties. He talked about doing chores after his mother died: "Now Mum was gone there were chores to be done: I had to do the fire and a bit of cleaning. But we also made a point of playing out, too. . . . I learnt to cook some things." NO work outside the home. Contrast that with the Miles interview where Sir Paul was complaining about having to go door to door, collecting "jam jars" and enduring the abuse of householders. Check YouTube. Type in gypsy and scrap and you will find what Sir Paul was doing as a child. He's a Gypsy. He was a gypsy by trade perhaps, but not a Gypsy. I don't know how else to put this, but he does not have the facial features of a Gypsy and he is far too white. And I find it difficult to believe that they would just hire someone from an entirely different ethnicity to be Paul McCartney, and that he would that great of a job of it. His accent is impeccable, his bass playing remarkable, and he has been known to record entire albums by himself. He is clearly someone with a very musical background, not the background of a scrounger. It's amazing what details people will outright ignore...
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Post by 8749 on May 8, 2009 15:56:13 GMT -5
I'll track down documentation on his family in time. What exactly ARE the facial features of a Gypsy? As I said in the "Paul is Brown" thread on the Replacement forum, I have seen photos of blonde-haired, blue-eyed Roms. His accent slides around: listen through the McCartney Interview 1980 in JoJo's "Shoebox." There are Gypsies who are VERY musical. Listen to www.gypsyradio.com for some modern musical Gypsies. And how many times have we been through the documentation of altered music tracks to prove that recorded music is often manipulated and musician credits do not always credit the musician who actually played on the tracks? If you love Faul's music, fine, but Faul is not Paul.
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Post by Just a Friend on May 8, 2009 16:54:01 GMT -5
Soon the Gypsy Queen in a glaze of vaseline Will perform on guillotine, what a scene, what a scene
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Post by 8749 on May 8, 2009 17:10:22 GMT -5
I'm disagreeing with you all over the place, Jude, but I think REAL John died in 1980.
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