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Post by kvo on Aug 18, 2022 15:06:39 GMT -5
Okay, so we've joked around a little about Pink Caddys here. But on a very serious note, and assuming that this footage is not doctored, how do we know that this is Jacqueline Bouvier? I recall seeing very convincing photos and footage of Melania Trump, dressed as a Secret Service agent, following a woman dressed as Melania (who was likely the real agent and NOT Melania). Doubling goes on, as we all know, and particularly in the political arena. I believe I've heard it said that one double can protect a prominent political figure better than a hundred militants. So, consider this possible scenario: The President is told that he will be riding with an agent, dressed as his wife, for additional protection in the open top motorcade. Jacqueline of course knows of this and is somewhere in the immediate Dallas vicinity. Perhaps even wearing an identical hand tailored suit as her double. After her husband is killed, she is told her suit must be ruined with fake blood to establish that she was in the car at the time of the shooting. Or worse, she was actually told to change suits with her double. In this scenario, Jacqueline is completely innocent and left in the dark, though this footage would suggest otherwise. Oh, and the grassy knoll scenario? Placing possible blame on the mobsters Joe Kennedy used to get his son elected, then turned on once Jack was in office? Communists and the Bay of Pigs? Well, alternative explanations must be circulated. Because there will be many who will not accept official explanations when it comes to the murder of a sitting U.S. President. Gotta give those folks somewhere else to look. Just some possibilities. JFK, Joan Crawford & Why She was in Dallas When He was ShotOkay, so a right leaning actress in the car, made up as Jacqueline. Whom the President thought to be an agent. The timeline for the Pepsi conference vs. the motorcade doesn't quite work out. Unless a Crawford double did the Pepsi conference, someone who wouldn't have suspected in a million years that she (or maybe even he) was being used to cover for Crawford who was up THIS DEGREE of no good elsewhere. Why give a good reason for Crawford to have been in Dallas at all? Perhaps in case she was recognized by accident slipping in and out of town. She was after all, a major star. Also, to provide an explanation for her absence from home. And I don't believe anyone would be dumb enough to trust this to the target's wife. YOU NEVER KNOW, what secrets might pass between a husband a wife. EVER! No matter what an outsider might think they know about the marriage. And I don't believe Joe Kennedy would have left much to chance when selecting a bride for Jack. I believe from what I know of Crawford that her adopted daughter Christina was in some sort of boarding school at the time? Just more pontificatin'.
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Post by ekauqodielak on Aug 18, 2022 15:42:02 GMT -5
Okay, so a right leaning actress in the car, made up as Jacqueline. Whom the President thought to be an agent. The timeline for the Pepsi conference vs. the motorcade doesn't quite work out. Unless a Crawford double did the Pepsi conference, someone who wouldn't have suspected in a million years that she (or maybe even he) was being used to cover for Crawford who was up THIS DEGREE of no good elsewhere. Why give a good reason for Crawford to have been in Dallas at all? Perhaps in case she was recognized by accident slipping in and out of town. She was after all, a major star. Also, to provide an explanation for her absence from home. And I don't believe anyone would be dumb enough to trust this to the target's wife. YOU NEVER KNOW, what secrets might pass between a husband a wife. EVER! No matter what an outsider might think they know about the marriage. And I don't believe Joe Kennedy would have left much to chance when selecting a bride for Jack. I believe from what I know of Crawford that her adopted daughter Christina was in some sort of boarding school at the time? Just more pontificatin'. I don't really believe it was Joan Crawford in a pink pillbox hat (though, I mean, at this point, who fucking knows), but the idea of it cracks me up. Joan Crawford killed Kennedy!!!
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Post by joseph on Aug 18, 2022 16:33:52 GMT -5
I was investigating Jackie in February according to the details of these screenshots. Wasn't there also the cop whose colleagues used to call him "Kennedy" that got killed around the same time as JFK?
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Post by kvo on Aug 18, 2022 17:28:08 GMT -5
Okay, so a right leaning actress in the car, made up as Jacqueline. Whom the President thought to be an agent. The timeline for the Pepsi conference vs. the motorcade doesn't quite work out. Unless a Crawford double did the Pepsi conference, someone who wouldn't have suspected in a million years that she (or maybe even he) was being used to cover for Crawford who was up THIS DEGREE of no good elsewhere. Why give a good reason for Crawford to have been in Dallas at all? Perhaps in case she was recognized by accident slipping in and out of town. She was after all, a major star. Also, to provide an explanation for her absence from home. And I don't believe anyone would be dumb enough to trust this to the target's wife. YOU NEVER KNOW, what secrets might pass between a husband a wife. EVER! No matter what an outsider might think they know about the marriage. And I don't believe Joe Kennedy would have left much to chance when selecting a bride for Jack. I believe from what I know of Crawford that her adopted daughter Christina was in some sort of boarding school at the time? Just more pontificatin'. I don't really believe it was Joan Crawford in a pink pillbox hat (though, I mean, at this point, who fucking knows), but the idea of it cracks me up. Joan Crawford killed Kennedy!!! Yeah, even if you figure out the who, as outrageous as that truth might be, doesn't really matter. You'd never figure out the whos behind it all, the whys, the whens. That's why they call them coverups. But I don't believe it was Jackie! No freakin way. A double maybe, but not the debutante herself. The idea of a guilty double does not crack me up, however. I think it's just crazy enough to be possible. And all publicly released footage from that day could all be doctored. If that's the case, who knows what the person sitting next to Jack looked like. One never knows......
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Post by kvo on Aug 18, 2022 17:33:20 GMT -5
I was investigating Jackie in February according to the details of these screenshots. Wasn't there also the cop whose colleagues used to call him "Kennedy" that got killed around the same time as JFK? A downgrade. Nah. We all know where Joe's money originally came from. Then, knowing the loopholes in the market, he played his ill gotten gains well. His stock is no better than anyone else the widowed bride kept company with. And that's all the figurin' I can do on JFK. I just think the truth is always somewhere other than where attention is being directed. Between warring factions of disinformation. On edit: Not fair to paint the son with the same brush strokes as his father. People were generally content and invested in their country during the Kennedy administration. Don't think we've seen that since. Also, some great strides during that administration in the civil rights arena. In the end, all of that counts for a lot.
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Post by hotman637 on Aug 19, 2022 13:05:49 GMT -5
I don't really believe it was Joan Crawford in a pink pillbox hat (though, I mean, at this point, who fucking knows), but the idea of it cracks me up. Joan Crawford killed Kennedy!!! Yeah, even if you figure out the who, as outrageous as that truth might be, doesn't really matter. You'd never figure out the whos behind it all, the whys, the whens. That's why they call them coverups. But I don't believe it was Jackie! No freakin way. A double maybe, but not the debutante herself. The idea of a guilty double does not crack me up, however. I think it's just crazy enough to be possible. And all publicly released footage from that day could all be doctored. If that's the case, who knows what the person sitting next to Jack looked like. One never knows...... The point is NOT if it is Jackie or a stand in the point is that GOD is a vain and jealous woman and she fights with the Devil about sex money and kids! In other words it is PERSONAL! JFK was playing the field and doing all sorts of stupid shit like men often do and he had to PAY! The CIA FBI etc. are a DESTRACTION!
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Post by B on Aug 19, 2022 15:17:31 GMT -5
All you 'young-uns' are making this WAAAY too complicated. People (especially politicians) were 'simple' back then.
No switching of identities, etc. that we, as PID/PWR people have become accustomed to.
Not saying doubles were never used, but RARELY and only for brief periods of time, like when 'faux Beatles' would hop out of a car to mis-direct crowds.
Public figures were always themselves for speeches, etc.
The difficulty of making duplicates at the time would have precluded their use, and if anyone had been caught doing so, it would have been seen as a despicable deception;
an unconscionable act.
"Same woman", joseph.
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Post by ekauqodielak on Aug 19, 2022 16:15:18 GMT -5
All you 'young-uns' are making this WAAAY too complicated. People (especially politicians) were 'simple' back then. No switching of identities, etc. that we, as PID/PWR people have become accustomed to. Not saying doubles were never used, but RARELY and only for brief periods of time, like when 'faux Beatles' would hop out of a car to mis-direct crowds. Public figures were always themselves for speeches, etc. The difficulty of making duplicates at the time would have precluded their use, and if anyone had been caught doing so, it would have been seen as a despicable deception; an unconscionable act. "Same woman", joseph. Stalin had like six lookalikes.
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Post by B on Aug 19, 2022 19:24:52 GMT -5
I was thinking in terms of the United States, and 'the way we were' here.
I wasn't referencing dictatorships in other countries, where, obviously, public officials weren't answerable to their constituents.
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Post by ekauqodielak on Aug 19, 2022 19:43:30 GMT -5
I was thinking in terms of the United States, and 'the way we were' here. I wasn't referencing dictatorships in other countries, where, obviously, public officials weren't answerable to their constituents.
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Post by ekauqodielak on Aug 19, 2022 19:45:21 GMT -5
I was thinking in terms of the United States, and 'the way we were' here. I wasn't referencing dictatorships in other countries, where, obviously, public officials weren't answerable to their constituents. Just to add: jeez it would have been easy to put just about anyone in a similar looking costume and announce they are whomever they claim to be pre-mass media and even up until say around when Ed Sullivan went color.
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Post by B on Aug 19, 2022 21:39:17 GMT -5
But what you're not comprehending is the mindset of the people at the time. Their belief was that the government was the servant of the people, and that generation had just gone to war on behalf of said government,
and 'won the war'. Hence, the government 'owed' the people respect, and they, in turn, trusted the government to be honest with them.
People understood that politicians were often scoundrels, but no one in power would have dared to disrespect the accomplishments and sacrifices of the WW2 generation,
and their faith in the principles espoused by the founding fathers. If someone had put on a costume and announced that they were someone who they weren't, and then been "found out",
that someone would have been perceived as beneath contempt, and the scum of the earth, so no one with any honor and sense would have considered doing it. Nor would they have been tempted to.
And then the Bushes came along.
The Kennedy assassination started the end of the innate trust that people of the WW2 generation (and subsequent generations) had in their government.
We, in 2022, speculate about doubles and clones being used routinely, but that is the 'norm' for this time. It was not in the early 1960s.
It wasn't happening in the 1960s.
But I want to be clear. There was an episode where someone claiming to be Lee Harvey Oswald behaved badly at a car dealership a few days before the assassination.
And obviously this person did so so that after the assassination, the people who worked at the car dealership would think: "Hey! That guy was here acting like an A-hole the other day!"
So yes, the CIA/Mafia/FBI cabal behind the assassination used an Oswald double to create a scene, but Lee Harvey Oswald wasn't a national public figure at the time.
He wasn't a JFK, or a Paul McCartney.
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Post by ekauqodielak on Aug 19, 2022 22:16:06 GMT -5
But what you're not comprehending is the mindset of the people at the time. Their belief was that the government was the servant of the people, and that generation had just gone to war on behalf of said government, and 'won the war'. Hence, the government 'owed' the people respect, and they, in turn, trusted the government to be honest with them. People understood that politicians were often scoundrels, but no one in power would have dared to disrespect the accomplishments and sacrifices of the WW2 generation, and their faith in the principles espoused by the founding fathers. If someone had put on a costume and announced that they were someone who they weren't, and been "found out", that someone would have been perceived as beneath contempt. No one with any honor and sense would have dared to do it, knowing this. The idea that anyone would have been evil and dumb enough to risk doing it pretty much ruled out it ever happening. Hence, the idea that anyone would wasn't even on peoples' radar. And then the Bushes came along. It is the Kennedy assassination that started the end of the innate trust that people of the WW2 generation (and subsequent generations) had in their government. You think people had faith in Wilson or Hoover?
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Post by B on Aug 19, 2022 22:21:14 GMT -5
Yes! At the time, J Edgar Hoover was regarded as a face of integrity. The FBI was seen as an honorable institution!
He gave lectures and did appearances at schools, talking about the need for honorable behavior.
Not sure which Wilson you're referencing (British prime minister or US president), but things we know now, people did not know back then.
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Post by ekauqodielak on Aug 20, 2022 0:30:39 GMT -5
Yes! At the time, J Edgar Hoover was regarded as a face of integrity. The FBI was seen as an honorable institution! He gave lectures and did appearances at schools, talking about the need for honorable behavior. Not sure which Wilson you're referencing (British prime minister or US president), but things we know now, people did not know back then. I meant Herbert Hoover, and Woodrow Wilson.
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Post by B on Aug 20, 2022 16:45:40 GMT -5
I wasn't around for them. ------ JFK's Memo to NASA... Just Ten Days Before Assassination | NASA's Unexplained Files ----------------------------------- V captures the innocense of the times V 13 minutesyoutu.be/GtZ5BLx5NBI ------ Science Channel Jul 28, 2022
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Post by ekauqodielak on Aug 20, 2022 17:47:18 GMT -5
I wasn't around for them. ------ JFK's Memo to NASA... Just Ten Days Before Assassination | NASA's Unexplained Files ----------------------------------- V captures the innocense of the times V 13 minutesyoutu.be/GtZ5BLx5NBI ------ Science Channel Jul 28, 2022
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Post by ekauqodielak on Aug 20, 2022 17:49:26 GMT -5
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Post by B on Aug 20, 2022 19:29:36 GMT -5
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Post by ekauqodielak on Aug 20, 2022 22:04:18 GMT -5
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Post by B on Aug 21, 2022 13:59:49 GMT -5
George Bush's Involvement with the CIA & the JFK Assassination (1988)www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvhOaF8BPGo ------ He was TOAD-ily involved with it. More than Lee Harvey Oswald, actually. Mafia Boss Tells All - Jimmy Hoffa, JFK Assassination and Much More ----------------------------------- Gianni Russo on Having a Role in the Mafia Killing JFK (Part 6)youtu.be/__LxwaAEaL8 ------ Valuetainment Jul 26, 2018 Michael Franzese: The Mafia Killed JFK Over Broken Promises, There Was a Hit on JFK's Dad (Part 13)youtu.be/Lt2k0SpaB1k ------ What Happened Immediately After JFK Was Shot?youtu.be/OO-r-H9k1QY ------ Weird History May 24, 2020
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Post by kvo on Dec 9, 2022 14:37:44 GMT -5
a little refresher course for those who may have missed it The Dezombificator (I think it was) at TKIN/60IF told us that to understand "Paul Is Dead", one should read the legend of Hyacinthus and Zephyrus en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyacinth_(mythology)"In Greek mythology, Hyacinthus was a Spartan prince of remarkable beauty and a lover of the sun god Apollo. He was also admired by Zephyrus, the god of the West wind, Boreas, the god of the North wind and a mortal man named Thamyris. Hyacinthus chose Apollo over the others. He visited all of Apollo's sacred lands with the god in a chariot drawn by swans. So fiercely was Apollo in love with Hyacinthus that he abandoned his sanctuary in Delphi to enjoy Hyacinthus' company by the river Eurotas. He taught Hyacinthus the use of the bow and the lyre, the art of prophecy, and exercises in the gymnasium. One day, Apollo was teaching him the game of quoits. They decided to have a friendly competition by taking turns to throw the discus. Apollo threw first, with a strength so great that the discus split the clouds in the sky. Eager to retrieve the discus, Hyacinthus ran behind it to catch it. But as it hit the ground, the discus bounced back, hitting Hyacinthus' head and wounding him fatally. An alternative version of the myth holds Zephyrus responsible for the death of Hyacinthus. Jealous that Hyacinthus preferred the radiant Apollo, Zephyrus blew Apollo's quoit boisterously off course to kill Hyacinthus. Apollo's face turned pale as he held his dying lover in his arms. He used all sorts of herbs and even tried giving ambrosia to heal Hyacinth's wound, but in vain, for he could not cure the wound inflicted by the Fates. When Hyacinthus perished, Apollo wept, saying he would have become a mortal and join his lover in his death if he were able to. That being unachievable, Apollo promised that he would always remind himself of Hyacinthus through his songs and the music of his lyre. From Hyacinth's spilled blood, he created a flower, the hyacinth, and on its petals inscribed the words of lamentation, "AI AI" – "alas"..... "That was the essence of the story, but there's more at the wiki link, fwiw. ---------- The Doors - rare Hyacinth House at Robby´s home studioyoutu.be/OC0K2Jvz2W4JimJohnRayRobby Sep 13, 2011 kvo's song reference Yes, speaking for myself, I'm familiar with the lore. And I recall the Apollo C. Vermouth posts on the topic. Morrison, writing of a legend that must be understood to fully comprehend PID. Hmm.. Why would Jim write of this "Hyacinth House"? A sort of lab? Where Apollo, unable to heal his lover's wounds, has now learned to create another "friend"? "I'll say it again, I need a brand new friend"? Small wonder the man was never given to explaining himself. Perhaps I can answer my own question now. I asked "Morrison writing of a legend that must be understood to fully comprehend PID. Why would Jim write of this Hyacinth House?". Because it was a group of connected shadow writers for these rock star characters, and they were telling a connected story. As always, here lately, I hope I'm wrong. But that, I believe, is what is being demonstrated to us with these reality show formats. That many of our celebrities have been "reality stars", not real people. "The Masked Singer" is particularly creepy.
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Post by ekauqodielak on Apr 9, 2024 10:14:23 GMT -5
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