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Post by B on Jun 15, 2009 15:02:36 GMT -5
None of the above?
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Post by 8749 on Jun 15, 2009 18:30:12 GMT -5
I think it's "none of the above", too. Since I'm quoting books today, if you want to see a picture of real John with long hair, check out Pete Shotton's book, John Lennon in My Life. It has a full-page photo of John in a long-haired wig flashing the peace sign.
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Post by Jude on Jun 16, 2009 6:13:48 GMT -5
Well I'm sorry you both can't see how these two are the same man, I really am. Take a closer look and see how the features, particularly the teeth, nose, eyes and eyebrows remained the same. But if it's more convenient for you to go on thinking everyone got a replacement just for the hell of it post-1966, then go on thinking that way. Meanwhile, I see the one and only John Winston Ono Lennon holding his kid in this picture: And someone entirely different in this picture taken three years later:
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Post by Jude on Jun 16, 2009 6:21:31 GMT -5
I think it's "none of the above", too. Since I'm quoting books today, if you want to see a picture of real John with long hair, check out Pete Shotton's book, John Lennon in My Life. It has a full-page photo of John in a long-haired wig flashing the peace sign. That's not John Lennon, that's gypsy John Lennon! And I'll prove it to you, just you wait and see!
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Post by mumrikusstarr on Jun 16, 2009 14:14:40 GMT -5
I think it's "none of the above", too. Since I'm quoting books today, if you want to see a picture of real John with long hair, check out Pete Shotton's book, John Lennon in My Life. It has a full-page photo of John in a long-haired wig flashing the peace sign. That's not John Lennon, that's gypsy John Lennon! And I'll prove it to you, just you wait and see! And this years award for Internet Comdey Gold goes to... JUDE! ;D ;D
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Post by Girl on Jun 16, 2009 16:20:26 GMT -5
I would have to say #1, also the body language (what we can see) is correct. John is completely at ease in that shot. But of course, the way things go around here, somebody's apt to come out and say, "No! It was a celebrity lookalike!" So no official statement here. lol Like I've mentioned elsewhere, I'll bet celebrities are replaced everyday, and they don't have to be dead to do it.... I'll bet it's commonplace for decoys to be hired by the very celebrities they replace. Picture it: You're a famous Hollywood movie star who has just landed in (wherever) just about to leave the villa to go for a jog, when the paparazzi emerge. You buzz your stand-in to go out and take the heat, you don your wig and frig off out the back door. www.celebrityimpersonators.com/ one example: Or... how about this... www.knightstemplarevents.co.uk/lookalikes.php"... The term 'Act alike' separates these professional lookalike entertainers and impersonators from the more commonly known 'lookalikes'. As the term implies, an act alike is a professional entertainer whose primary skill is to entertain in the style of a well known individual with a convincing impersonation; a secondary skill (or good fortune) is to be a famous face or lookalike as well... "Hell, if I looked like anybody, I'd do it! I'm sure the pay rocks! Ok, if I had to sign autographs, I couldn't really live with myself. Seriously, examine yourselves: If someone came up to you in the street and said you could pass for (fill in the blank) and they'll pay you a million dollars for 6 months to divert attention away from, attend public functions, sign autographs, etc. most people would eat that up, because a lot of people crave to know what that life is like, and would love to experience it for themselves. I think a big reason entertainment gossip shows are so popular is not so much for the juice on what the celebrity is doing or caught doing, but for a glimpse into the glamor of that lifestyle. If I became a famous star or any other such thing it's not the fame that would excite me, it's the luxury I can now afford- the being able to go and do whatever I want, wherever I want.
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Post by Jude on Jun 17, 2009 4:59:54 GMT -5
Excellent point, Girl. There really doesn't have to be a conspiracy involved for someone to have a lookalike!
Anyway, what I'm trying to suggest by showing you these pictures is that the John Lennon you see in those photos taken on December 8, 1980 (such as the one with him and Chapman) might not be him at all.
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Post by mumrikusstarr on Jun 17, 2009 15:35:08 GMT -5
John might have used doubles, but i'm pretty sure that the guy that was shot in 1980 is the one and only John Winston Lennon. Ear shape is the teller here. R.I.P John.
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Post by plastic paul on Jun 17, 2009 16:04:21 GMT -5
I'm afraid I probably have agree, but remember that photograph was taken in the morning while John was on his way out. He was shot in the evening on his return.
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Post by mumrikusstarr on Jun 17, 2009 18:00:00 GMT -5
I'm afraid I probably have agree, but remember that photograph was taken in the morning while John was on his way out. He was shot in the evening on his return. Yeah but do you really think that he switched to a double when coming back from the studio?
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Post by Girl on Jun 17, 2009 20:24:15 GMT -5
Hey, Jude. Yes, and how much more when there is a conspiracy involved! But if that were the case, then where do you think the real John is? Somehow I just found this while digging for information today: a Canadian indie film about John having survived his assassination and now living in Canada. www.theglobeandmail.com/news/arts/let-him-be/article1157392/ Chills. The pic of the older John is... well, interesting... The actor, Mark Staycer, a Lennon impersonator. His website is www.imaginelennon.com Official movie website: www.lethimbe.com Oh yeah, here's the original link I found: www.citynews.ca/news/news_34929.aspx Really great pics there... Love the other character's name, "Sean Clement" lol nice touch.
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Post by mumrikusstarr on Jun 17, 2009 20:54:22 GMT -5
I'd say, that Mark guy really looks like John from certain angles!
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Post by plastic paul on Jun 17, 2009 21:02:03 GMT -5
I'm afraid I probably have agree, but remember that photograph was taken in the morning while John was on his way out. He was shot in the evening on his return. Yeah but do you really think that he switched to a double when coming back from the studio? Well, no that's why I said I'd probably agree, as I do believe John Winston Lennon is sadly no longer with us. However that's just brought to mind that he officially changed his name to John Ono Lennon. So maybe they were two different people. I'm sure that's been noted before, but just putting it out there again.
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Post by B on Jun 17, 2009 21:27:16 GMT -5
Girl wrote: " Somehow I just found this while digging for information today: a Canadian indie film about John having survived his assassination and now living in Canada." www.theglobeandmail.com/news/arts/let-him-be/article1157392/ Get real: Small town folks would know if a Beatle were living nearby Jennie Punter Globe and Mail, Friday, May. 29, 2009 Let Him Be Written and directed by Peter McNamee Starring Kathleen Munroe, Sean Clement, Mark Staycer and Graham Wignall Classification: 14A Is John Lennon alive and well and living in rural Ontario? That's the question an obsessed film undergrad and his reluctant girlfriend set out to answer in Let Him Be , a flawed but earnest and sometimes engaging low-budget feature by Peter McNamee that did a spin through a handful of Canadian festivals last year. Tim (Sean Clement), an aspiring documentarian who repairs used gear to make a few extra bucks, finds a tape left in a video camera his father bought at a yard sale on his way home from a fishing trip. The tape contains footage of a guy with long hair, a hooked nose and wire-framed glasses strumming and singing at a kid's party – he looks and sounds remarkably like John Lennon, albeit older than when he was last seen alive. After researching conspiracy theories, Tim convinces himself Lennon survived the murder attempt and escaped to Canada, for which he was known to have great affection. With visions of hitting the big time if he can break this “story,” Tim convinces his live-in girlfriend Kathleen (Kathleen Munroe), also an aspiring filmmaker, to spend a weekend with him searching cottage country north of Toronto for hard evidence. Quite conveniently, Tim's father remembers the area where he bought the video camera, and Tim's uncle, who sells surveillance equipment, lends him a ton of high-tech stealth gear. The students eventually find a small town that yields results. Introducing themselves as filmmakers shooting a documentary about small-town life, they interview a shopkeeper and local musicians who jam with a songwriter called Noel Snow (Mark Staycer), a chain-smoking, semi-reclusive fellow who lives on a posh estate with Stanley (Graham Wignall), a Brit of the same vintage. Tim's theory is starting to look good. Kathleen remains skeptical but agrees to stay on longer. While Tim breaks into the house and sets up hidden cameras that feed footage back to a computer, Kathleen plays lookout. Then Noel and Stanley drive by and invite her back to the house. She starts visiting Noel every day, going for long walks, reading books he recommends and listening to his very Lennon-esque original songs. Tim hides in the bushes filming them, and (mostly) hangs out in his makeshift headquarters with the blinds drawn, watching the collected footage for evidence that Noel is John – and completely missing Kathleen's growing affection for the guy. This goes on for a month, which is, well, preposterous. Let Him Be is constructed like a documentary Tim has assembled from the footage, and it relies too heavily on voiceover for explanation. Throughout the film we're asked to swallow too many coincidences for the story to proceed. The pair's ruse is overly complex, and it's difficult to believe the film students don't get caught – especially in a small town whose inhabitants are portrayed as intelligent people. Still, the film has its qualities. Among them: Staycer holds your attention as the older Lennon look-alike, and many of the polished original songs (co-written by McNamee) have both the melodic and lyrical qualities of Lennon's solo music.
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Post by mumrikusstarr on Jun 17, 2009 23:04:09 GMT -5
Yeah but do you really think that he switched to a double when coming back from the studio? Well, no that's why I said I'd probably agree, as I do believe John Winston Lennon is sadly no longer with us. However that's just brought to mind that he officially changed his name to John Ono Lennon. So maybe they were two different people. I'm sure that's been noted before, but just putting it out there again. I must've put that in the wrong way, sorry! I was just gonna ask you if you thought that was plausible. It came out a bit wrong.
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Post by B on Jun 17, 2009 23:21:58 GMT -5
Peter McNamee ?!
Is that like, you know my Namee?
Let me guess. Mc.... Mc.... Oh, I'll think of it in a minute.... Mc Donald! No wait! Mc Cain! No, um.... It's gotta be..... let's see...
Oh I give up! You tell me!
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Post by mumrikusstarr on Jun 18, 2009 6:15:21 GMT -5
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Post by Girl on Jun 18, 2009 12:06:24 GMT -5
It gets better... check the lethimbe.com website interviews section for the pics. Or, better yet someone post the pics here. (I can't) Graham Wignal (in the news article, there were 2 "L"s!) as "Stanley Fields" "I was born and raised in Liverpool and attended Quarry Bank High School the same time as John Lennon.
Prior to emigrating to Canada in the late 60’s , I spent eight years as as Steward on various Passenger Liners and travelled to many parts of the world. I am a Football (Soccer) fanatic and Vice-President of the Liverpool FC Supporters Club in Toronto."Yes! They all got out! (Ok, maybe the elation is a bit premature... ... but look at the cheeks! ;D) Peter McNamee, well you know, I'd give him the eyebrows, nose and face shape... mouth, ears and eyelids would need explaining. lol But hey- it's been 40 years! Maybe we should move this part to a new topic? EDIT: For an entirely different (personal) reason, I'd like to ask if anyone's familiar with... how common would it possibly be for top-ranking masons to fake their own death? I realize enlisting cooperation for such a task would present little problem, but... does it occur and how frequently?
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Post by mumrikusstarr on Jun 18, 2009 13:46:03 GMT -5
PERSONAL reason? Did anyone you know fake his/her death and now you want to know if it's natural? Just kidding
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Post by Girl on Jun 18, 2009 14:30:33 GMT -5
The thought has indeed crossed my mind... as much as anything being discussed on the board... I must say, I thought about it (a little) before even finding this board... but with everything being discussed, the possibility becomes even more distinct.
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Post by Girl on Jun 18, 2009 21:45:40 GMT -5
WOW! Thanks, Michelle for the info. I'll have to look into this further... Elvis may have left the building, but did he really leave the planet... who knows. Wonder why they didn't replace him. There's certainly enough candidates.
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Post by mumrikusstarr on Jun 19, 2009 5:09:03 GMT -5
WOW! Thanks, Michelle for the info. I'll have to look into this further... Elvis may have left the building, but did he really leave the planet... who knows. Wonder why they didn't replace him. There's certainly enough candidates. Ever watch the movie "Bubba Ho Tep" ? ;D ;D ;D
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Post by B on Jun 19, 2009 9:33:23 GMT -5
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bubba_Ho-tep"Plot During the 1970s, when Elvis Presley (Bruce Campbell) grew tired of the demands of his fame, he switched places with an Elvis impersonator named Sebastian Haff (also played by Campbell). It was Haff who eventually died on the toilet in 1977, while the real Elvis lived in quiet, happy anonymity and made a living pretending to be himself. After a propane explosion destroyed documentation which was the only proof that he was actually Elvis Presley, he was rendered unable to return to his old lifestyle. A hip injury during a performance causes him to get an infection and slip into a coma. Twenty years later, in an East Texas nursing home as the movie opens, he is contemplating his age, frailty, loss of dignity, impotence, and "A growth on [his] pecker". Elvis's only friend is a black man named Jack (Ossie Davis) who insists he is President John F. Kennedy, claiming to have been dyed black after the assassination attempt, and abandoned in a nursing home. The truth behind his identity remains unclear, but Elvis does spot a mysterious scar on the back of Jack's head. It could be from the head wound seen in the Zapruder film, but then it might not be. Most of the film's plot is driven by Elvis' internal monologue, as he reminisces about his life and ponders his condition. Eventually, Elvis and Jack face off against a re-animated ancient Egyptian mummy that was stolen during a U.S. museum tour and then lost during a severe storm in East Texas when the bus being driven by the thieves veers off the road and into a river near the nursing home. The mummy strangely takes on the garb of a cowboy and is dubbed Bubba Ho-tep by Elvis who is given a telepathic flashback of the mummy's life and death when he looks into its eyes following its murder of an elderly woman at the home. The slow, plodding mummy is a real and credible threat, as instead of going against young adults who could potentially outrun it, the mummy gives chase to the elderly heroes who lack mobility and need a motorized wheelchair and a walker to get around the grounds. After hatching an elaborate plan Elvis and Jack manage to destroy the mummy, and the trapped souls of their dead friends appear to be released to their final resting place. In the process of defeating the mummy, Elvis and Jack are themselves mortally wounded. Since much of the film establishes the protagonists as pathetic and even insane, their deaths are portrayed as especially heroic and honorable. As he lies near the river dying, Elvis gets confirmation that his soul is prepared to move on as he looks up into the stars and sees the message "ALL IS WELL" spelled out in Egyptian hieroglyphs; his final words are classic Elvis: "thank you, thank you very much." With that, he dies. "
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Post by Girl on Jun 19, 2009 10:55:45 GMT -5
LOL! Campbell, eh? There's that name again! Never seen it, but sounds hilarious, definitely worth checking out.
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