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Post by DarkHorse on Jul 21, 2009 12:29:39 GMT -5
But what's sad is that if he had made an anti-PIA remark to, say, JS2...you wouldn't have batted an eyelash. Not necessarily. But I will agree I always give the PIDers more of the benefit of the doubt because after all, this is what this forum is all about. It's not an open debate forum for MFHers to come and place fade after fade or to insult other members, especially my friends. Well maybe it is and that's our business. And the narrow-mindedness is more of a characteristic of the PIAers than us anyway. |
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Post by FP on Jul 21, 2009 12:31:01 GMT -5
So what is this forum for, narrow-minded lunatics who think everything is doctored and Paul McCartney is 78 years old? Come on, don't get yourself kicked off of here! You gotta hold all that stuff in.  |
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Post by plastic paul on Jul 21, 2009 13:02:01 GMT -5
So an actual document published by scientists comes out into the mainstream, trying to put the "hoax" to bed once and for all but discovers that there may actually be something to this and the thread becomes another petty squabble.
Fantastic...
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Post by FP on Jul 21, 2009 14:31:10 GMT -5
So an actual document published by scientists comes out into the mainstream, trying to put the "hoax" to bed once and for all but discovers that there may actually be something to this and the thread becomes another petty squabble. Fantastic... If the news of "Faul" ever hits the US, which it hasn't, (I looked it up on google news... nothing.), then I (and hopefully the rest of M4E) will personally debate these scientists. I'm sure Larry King will let me show all the fades I want. |
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Post by 8749 on Jul 21, 2009 17:31:21 GMT -5
So an actual document published by scientists comes out into the mainstream, trying to put the "hoax" to bed once and for all but discovers that there may actually be something to this and the thread becomes another petty squabble. Fantastic... If the news of "Faul" ever hits the US, which it hasn't, (I looked it up on google news... nothing.), then I (and hopefully the rest of M4E) will personally debate these scientists. I'm sure Larry King will let me show all the fades I want. I did a Google search, too, and there was a one page discussion on a gaming board, and that's it. If we can get a literal translation I'd like to try spreading it around to US discussion boards. I'm thinking Detroit (where it all started) and boomer boards. Does R. Gary Patterson know of the article? He might be interested in it. He's been on Coast-to-Coast AM, and the host was talking to him a couple of months ago about having a 40th. anniversary look-back at the PID controversy. And if I can find a discussion board on the Red Hat Society website (many, many boomer women who were, no doubt, Beatles fans), they might love to find out what happened to Paul. Is this acceptable to you all? |
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Post by il ras on Jul 21, 2009 17:48:31 GMT -5
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Post by ramone on Jul 21, 2009 19:07:43 GMT -5
tg.com
(well, you get the sense of it)
The confirmation un' inquiry of " Wired" E' one of the legends more notes of the rock: Paul McCartney would be died in 1966 and what still today we know it would be only a counterpart has replaced that it. A legend exactly that it by now seemed to be be taken apart and forgotten. But now two scientists have lead un' inquiry for " Wired": l' objective era to demonstrate that all false era but the result would have been instead amazing… L' object of contendere is the " P.I.D." , that is the legends " Paul Is Dead". To dedicarcisi they have been two experts, l' computer science Francisco Gavazzeni and legal doctor Gabriella Carlesi. L' objective era to demonstrate that all these voices were false and groundless, metropolitan legends of, exactly, jetties in meal to average and fan. The skills carried out from the two expert ones instead have carried to completely unexpected result. The history shortly: Paul McCartney, that one originate them, in reality would be died in an incident d' car in 1966, a crash happened to edge of its Austin Martin after a litigio with the other members of the band. From that moment to replace it would have been a counterpart. They would have been same the Beatles to confirm these witnesses scattering in the years to come messages or less subliminali more, from covered some allusive like that of " Abbey Road" , to messages recorded on the contrary in discs. Gavazzeni and Carlesi have been based sull' anthropometric and craniometrica analysis, confronting, through directory images, forms of the skull, of i teeth, etc in before and after 1966. And, from the moment that however from these examinations us can be only expressed in terms of compatibility and not of certainty, the result however would give to outcome negative: that is, the known person as Paul McCartney before 1966 would not be the same one that we see in the photos taken after that date. Reopened case?
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Post by Jude on Jul 21, 2009 19:22:55 GMT -5
But what's sad is that if he had made an anti-PIA remark to, say, JS2...you wouldn't have batted an eyelash. So what is this forum for, narrow-minded lunatics who think everything is doctored and Paul McCartney is 78 years old? Oh, and I don't know if you've heard, but Gypsy children know no law. Great post Jude  Yeah sometimes you guys take sides a bit too much. It's not ok to make fun of, let's say faulcon here, but if i said that KHAN over at MFH was a idiot, you probably wouldn't care. btw I love the "Gypsy children know no law" ;D Thanks. The way I figure it, everyone needs a nonsensical catchphrase now and then.. |
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Post by JoJo on Jul 21, 2009 19:56:13 GMT -5
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Post by JoJo on Jul 21, 2009 20:11:28 GMT -5
The "Pepper is a funeral" page chokes the Google web page translator for some reason, here it is with the cut and paste method, obviously nothing new here, but interesting:
Some fans of the Beatles McCartney was dead and the historical Sgt Pepper's album commemorating a lot of evidence. Here are a few.
On 12 October 1969 someone telephoned the radio in Detroit (WKNR-FM), saying that Paul McCartney was dead. Provided clear indications the matter death: November 9th 1966, the first light of dawn, in a car accident in which the corpse had been beheaded. Since then, the legend on the underground death of McCartney, known - almost like the title of a song - like Paul is Dead (or even, in the form signed, PID), which Wired wrote about the number 06, not only has not lost his dark fascination, but has been gaining more and more credit. According to fans of the Beatles, the clues that Paul is dead, some are scattered 'throughout the long career of the band. We will limit to consider only those contained in the album cover Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, the first of the Beatles "orphans" of the real Paul, replaced with a double, that William 'Bill' Campbell.
Here's an image: front cover, back cover, photo and envelope inside.
The photo itself - designed by Peter Blake and Jann Haworth, with the photographer Michael Cooper assisted by Robert Fraser, a friend of Paul - seems to portray a crowd at a funeral. That of 'old' Beatles?
Statue of wax. To the left of the Beatles dressed in their Sunday best, is a reproduction of wax in Madame Tussaud. The statue of Paul supports a hand on the shoulder of a very sad by Ringo. According to legend the statue riprodurrebbero the Beatles' first release, "dead and replaced by others behind the drum.
Crowns of flowers. Someone theorized that the crown which says "BEATLES" could read "BE AT LESO", ie the body of Paul lying in Leso. E Leso going to Lesotho, the state of South Africa. The small crown made of yellow flowers offers two keys to understanding: a) seems the stylization of a low left-handed - the instrument of Paul, b) looked more closely it seems to us to read "PAUL?".
Characters. All photos are Isolated and attacked behind the photo of the band and they have a trait d'union:'s death. Some people have died (in mysterious circumstances various, like Marilyn or Edgar Alla Poe), there have been other very closely. Others have reported the death with their work.
Photo by Paul in uniform.
The indications are many, consideriamoli one to one:
1. Unlike the other Beatles in uniform, the image of Paul seems Isolated as are those of the characters behind the band.
2nd The laying of Paul is in front, while the other three is 3 / 4.
3rd Above the head of Paul's hands of the writer Stephen Crane, who died at the age of 28 years. Lifting his hand is a symbol of death for Indian culture and in different cultures "oriental." This theme will use the graphics Magical Mystery Tour and Yellow Submarine.
4 While the other three held in the hands of glittering brass, Paul is the only band that has a black, wooden, an English horn.
5 His right hand is on the heart, the other takes the instrument with three fingers (the number of surviving Beatles?).
Shiva. A small statue of the goddess is destructive at the center, at the bottom of the cover. Two of the four hands of the goddess take flowers hyacinth red (in Greek mythology-related death) and pointing to a wax statue of Paul, the other in what purports to be the double of flesh and bones.
Doll. The doll on the right, the one wearing the shirt with white stripes and red (the color of blood) with the inscription "Welcome The Rolling Stones", sits on a strange puppet (note on the cover of the CD version is referred to as' figure of grandmother ') that fits a glove smeared with blood on his left hand (Paul had left ...). On the leg of a doll's car and it seems that this is just a model of the Aston Martin with which Paul would have crashed.
Drum Clue. The Grancassa with "Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band "is among the most cited evidence. The author of the picture is neither Blake nor Haworth (the two artists of the cover), but a certain Joe Ephgrave. The name seems to be the combination of the words' Epitaph 'and' serious' ( 'epitaph' and 'grave'). Him there is no news. If we try to put a mirror along the horizontal axis of symmetry - that is cutting in half the words "LONELY" and "HEART", to reflect the top of the box, you can read "I ONE IX HE DIE ÷" . The symbol placed between the words "HE" (he) and "DIE" (dead) aims precisely to Paul, the other characters seem to indicate the date of death, 11 and 9, respectively, the month and day (in Roman numeral) .
TV. Next to the bust of Sergeant Pepper's TV off. A reference to the blackout of information on the death of Paul?
BACK TO COVER
Paul is the only one who gives back to the camera as if to indicate a "diversity" within the group. Also has three buttons at waist blacks, which could represent the three Beatles in mourning and seems to be in the same position it took on the front cover, which supports the theory of the 'Isolated' above. But that's not all: the head of Paul lies WITHOUT YOU written on the title of the song Within You Without You
George tells us what? George of the finger tip to the song She's leaving Home, to be precise what follows: "Wednesday morning at 5 o'clock as the day begins" ( "Wednesday morning at five, when the day begins", namely ' time when Paul was declared dead).
Lyrics. Read from left to right, skipping the columns, the texts at the same height seems to provide a cryptic message. Starting with Somebody calls you, you answer quite slowly, ( "someone calls you and you answer quite slowly"), you go right on Wednesday morning at 5 o'clock as the day begins ( "Wednesday morning at five, when the day "), and then And life flows on within you and without you (and life continues to flow with or without you") And until you're on your own, you're in the street ( "e now you are alone with yourself, on the road "). The first verse refers to the request for a ride in the car (because rain), to which he responds hesitant, the next is to reveal what the time of death (officially declared dead), then there is a clear reference to the death and then a verse that you describe your condition: alone on the street. That is trapped inside the burning?
The hole. The positions of the hands of the Beatles seem to compose the written L_VE. Whether it's a love incomplete due to the disappearance of Paul?
PICS INSIDE
Fetal position. In the picture the three Beatles portraits all appear to converge mezzobusto to Paul, the only one who is sitting in fetal position, namely in the way the Indians bury the dead. Paul also wears a distinctive black on the left sleeve with the letters OPD stands for Pronunced Officially Dead. Finally, the shoulder of Paul are the only trips to black (mourning).
INNER ENVELOPE (at pg. 2 of the CD booklet)
At first glance, an innocent psychedelic design (by the Dutch group The Fool), and in fact seems to give the idea that the bag is soaked in blood.
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Post by jilly on Jul 22, 2009 1:17:42 GMT -5
I can not find anything on the web about this article. I am so disgusted. Maybe we should all email "Wired" and have them reprint the article in the English version of the magazine. www.wired.com/services/feedback/generalDear Customer Service, I really want to subscribe to your magazine, but it seems all the good stories are put in your Italian magazine. I am talking about the article about Paul McCartney in your August 2009 "Chiedi Chi Era Quel "Beatle" Italian magazine. please let me know, so i dont miss the article. thanks, (etc, etc, etc) what do u think? maybe if we put enough pressure on them who knows? |
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Post by il ras on Jul 22, 2009 5:19:07 GMT -5
Here Wired is putting the thing in evidence  |
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Post by mumrikusstarr on Jul 22, 2009 5:38:09 GMT -5
This can't be good. Can they really advertise about Paul McCartney being dead like that? Isn't it illegal to claim somebody's dead?
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Post by il ras on Jul 22, 2009 8:01:22 GMT -5
It would be fun to see Sir Paul sueing Wired Italia...
BTW taking someone else's identity is illegal for sure
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Post by mumrikusstarr on Jul 22, 2009 8:24:02 GMT -5
It would be fun to see Sir Paul sueing Wired Italia... BTW taking someone else's identity is illegal for sure ... only of you have proof  |
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Post by il ras on Jul 22, 2009 9:24:40 GMT -5
to be illegal, is illegal. To demonstrate that someone is guilty, you need evdences
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Post by thisone on Jul 22, 2009 12:25:54 GMT -5
JoJo, can you make this thread sticky or something? It's importance is being diminished (in the 100 latest at least) by tactical postings in less important threads - such as, "the song assocaition game".
Isn't identity theft a crime?
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Post by P(D)enny La(i)ne on Jul 22, 2009 14:24:11 GMT -5
JoJo, can you make this thread sticky or something? It's importance is being diminished (in the 100 latest at least) by tactical postings in less important threads - such as, "the song assocaition game". Isn't identity theft a crime? Thisone, When you wrote the above, this thread (Finally!!!!!!!) was buried beneath all of two posts; both mine. There was nothing "tactical" about either of them. What are you talking about? |
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Post by DarkHorse on Jul 22, 2009 14:31:51 GMT -5
JoJo, can you make this thread sticky or something? It's importance is being diminished (in the 100 latest at least) by tactical postings in less important threads - such as, "the song assocaition game". All done. |
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Post by iameye on Jul 22, 2009 15:38:00 GMT -5
JoJo, can you make this thread sticky or something? It's importance is being diminished (in the 100 latest at least) by tactical postings in less important threads - such as, "the song assocaition game". lol! ;D |
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Post by JoJo on Jul 22, 2009 16:58:33 GMT -5
It would be fun to see Sir Paul sueing Wired Italia... BTW taking someone else's identity is illegal for sure I'll say it would be funny. I believe without a shadow of a doubt that Sir Paul doesn't share the worry and hand wringing about his own welfare that seems to affect some people.. Didn't worry him 40 years ago, doesn't worry him now. |
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Post by skyward on Jul 23, 2009 15:47:05 GMT -5
This article does not prove that Paul is dead, nor does it prove that there was an identity theft. You could say it "proves" that there were two different people representing JPM. JPM could have been alive and he could have given this switch his blessing.
For some nice comparison pics, y'all should check out the recent posts at PID Miss Him, not so much the fades, but some of the other still pics.
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Post by DarkHorse on Jul 23, 2009 15:55:59 GMT -5
I think the first step is proving that there is a man playing the role of Paul McCartney who is not the real Paul McCartney. Once that can be proved, then the questions will come up as to what happened to the original Paul.
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Post by il ras on Jul 23, 2009 18:15:06 GMT -5
skyward, I fully agree that the the article says PWR and not PID. They just used "Paul is morto" cause is a more impressive title.
On the other side, I did not say that Sir Paul "stole" JPM's identity. If you read, I said he took his identity. And this is a crime. In Italy it doesn't matter if the other person agrees or not; don't know how it works in the UK or in the US.
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Post by DarkHorse on Jul 23, 2009 19:18:03 GMT -5
Jarv,
Can you please tell us the information briefly that is in those two books that alludes to the theory that JPM didn't really "die"? ...since most people don't have time(and maybe even the desire) to read those two books. And while you're at it, can you describe the meaning you are referring to in the song Lucy In The sky With Diamonds?
Grazie
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Yeah sometimes you guys take sides a bit too much. It's not ok to make fun of, let's say faulcon here, but if i said that KHAN over at MFH was a idiot, you probably wouldn't care.
